A friend passed along this semi-desperate-sounding email from JINSA, the neocon thinktank that gave us the Iraq war (according to Colin Powell). He wondered whether it means JINSA is in trouble:
The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) is the only Jewish organization whose sole purpose is American national defense and a close security relationship between the United States and Israel and our like-minded democratic allies around the world.
Rarely has our mission been more important and rarely has our mission been more in jeopardy. That's why I'm writing to request your financial support. In this current economic climate, JINSA needs your help now more than ever, to ensure that issues of security stay prevalent in the minds of policy makers.
We have never before asked the readers of our JINSA Reports for help – but we need it now.
Don't get your hopes up too much. I believe it takes a silver stake at midnight on a full moon.
I hardly ever mentioned the Holocaust. You are a liar. I have friends who are survives, so no, I do not poke fingers in the eyes of the victims. Israel is not a Jewish state and it certainly isn't mine. It's a failed 3rd world fascist, apartheid country that shames all Jews..
Zion does not exist and Jerusalem is a town shared by Israel and Palestine.
Zion exists and Jerusalem is the undivided capital of the Jewish nation of Israel
It is a skinhead canard. Use as a weapon against Jews and our rights.
Then please stop with your Nazi talk. It makes me really sad and it distracts from the discourse. Much of my family died and I don't think its a good comparison. I come on here do debate, not to hear every single day about my families tragedy.
I like who I am and I admire many Jews. I agree, being a Jew doesn't make you right. You are proof of that. You are the vocal minority.
David existed he was the King of the Jewish nation. Solomon too. You are a Jew that denies your own heritage. You've lost all compassion for your own people and thus serve our mortal enemies. You are a disgrace.
What Nazi talk? are you hearing voices in your head again Eitan? I told you what i thought of Israel. It made me sad to go there. What a nasty and horrid little country. As you suggested to someone else, if you're sad, then cry.
*majority
I just might. If you can refrain from using Nazi stuff in your discourse it would really serve this forum for the better. I am really hoping for that.
Zion is a make believe place from a the Matrix movie. Jerusalem is divided into East and West. One side is Israeli the other is Palestinian.
Israel desperately needs aid money, which is why the Israeli government asks for more and more every year. Israel have been spoiled rotten for decades. it Palestine's turn to get money. You're a disgusting little bigot. I don't think you're even Jewish.
It's an academic fact and has nothing to do with Jewish rights. it's a reality that has no affect on Jews outside of Israel, while Jews in Israel have all the rights they want. it's a reality that bursts Zionist myths.
Zion is the Land of Israel and most specifically the heart of Jerusalem and the temple mount and City of David Jerusalem is one city. You would easier divide Washington than divide Jerusalem. For all everybodies crying about a split Berlin they are crazed about a split Jerusalem
Israel doesn't need aide money. Our weapons industry and tech can sustain us. Our GDP is 195 Billion dollars a year. Do you really think we need the pitiful 3bn in coupons that require us to buy US weapons? We would make more money without the aide because we could actually build our land faster and sell more weapons to russia and china Cut off all Aide to palis.
Minority. Polls show that the majority of Jews are opposed to the settlements and your sick ideas.
If you refrained from your racist, bigoted and extremist ideology, it would definitely serve this forum for the better. Deal?
Academic falsehood that has everything to do with Jewish rights. It's a non reality that has a great affect on the safety of Jews around the globe.
I'm not a bigot. And I never bring up Nazi stuff. I have never called Arabs Nazis. Many people do. I don't. I suppose I could start doing that. That would be the easy way out. But I won't
Zion is a mythical name of a place that never existed, just like David. Jerusalem is divided into 2 parts and it will remain that way.
Zion is the Land of Israel and most specifically the heart of Jerusalem and the temple mount and City of David Jerusalem is one city. You would easier divide Beijing than divide Jerusalem. For all everybodies crying about a split Berlin they are crazed about a split Jerusalem
Academic expose that blows the lid on Zionist myths. Jews around the globe have never been safer.
Academic falsehood used as an academic weapon against Jews.
David and Solom and mythical inventions. I have no people. I have my family, friends and community. I don not base my attitude to anyone based on the accident of their birth, only their character and integrity. That is all that matters. Religion is just a fraud. There never was a Jewish people. You are a disgrace to all Jews.
Zion is a mythical name of a place that never existed, just like David. Jerusalem is divided into 2 parts and it will remain that way.
Look I don't agree with you on religion but hey. There are a lot of seculars and there are people that believe. That doesn't make my argument any less weak and you dont have the right to run around religous people flauting your disbelief. You have your beliefs thats fine but stop trying to cram them down my throat.
Albert Einstein "brought up the Nazi stuff" in 1948: http://www.archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLett...
The opposite
The opposite
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That was then. This is now.
Israel desperately needs aid money, which is why the Israeli government asks for more and more every year. Israel's GDP cannto sustain it's hunger for military hardware and the massive welfare cheques it hands out to it's citizens. It relies on loan guarantees from Washington to borrow money. Apart from the 3 billion annually it receives, there are tans of billions in loan guarantees it receives – meaning loans that it doesn't end up repaying. every time it starts a war, Israel relies on massive shipments fo arms from the US. After the Lebanon war, Israel was in crisis over the cost, which ran into billions. As always, Washington picked up the tab. You need money to buy land and the settlers only live there because of the cash incentives they receive. No one would buy your arms because they all rely on US technology. All your planes and helicopters are US made. Your ships and subs are from other countries. Russia woudl never buy Israeli weapons, because theirs are superior anyway and China buy theirs from Russia. Israel have been spoiled rotten for decades. it Palestine's turn to get money. Most Israelis industry is based on US investment and US companies basing offices there. Israel can't afford to buy it's own weapons.
You are a biggot, an extreme case in fact. You are oblivious o the plight of Palestinians and regard them as an inconvenience. You nothing of stealing their land and destroying their home. You are a racist, a biggot and a supremacist.
Take away foreign aide to Israel and to Palis! We don't want your meddling! US out of the Middle East!
Let the Palestinians decide if they want aid or not. If Israel didn't need the welfare from the US, it woudl say so, instead is asks fro more and more. Israel has taken over 1 trillion in aid. I agree the US should stay out of the Middle East.
Oh ok I get it. The Israelis have to have our aide forcefully cut off completely, the arabs on the other hand… Let them decide. Double standard
No not at all. You are the one suggesting that the Israel doesn't need the aid. I said nothing at all about whether Israel should or should not have aid. The Palestinians have not received 1% of the aid Israel has received and whether they get aid or not is between them and the US or whoever wants to give it to them. It's none of your business.
Belief and faith are all well and good, but they are not the basis of fact, so yes, if you base your argument on religious beliefs, then your argument will fail every time. As for cramming them down people's throats, Israel are the ones exacting policies based on their religious beliefs, and you are supporting that. It is you doing the cramming.
A society built on injustice cannot survive. The arabs in Gaza are raised to hate. All they know is to murder Jews. From their HAMAS terror rabbit bunny farfur to their glorification of suicide bombers. Pump however much money you want into their economy. they will fail and we will prevail. In Jerusalem we are building like crazy. You've seen the reports. We will never stop building in our land.
Academic facts from Israeli academics, who have no reason to want to hurt Jews. These facts don't hurt Jews in the least. They might hurt Zionist myths, but who cares about those facists?
If you are talking about Jews building our land. That isn't going to stop. I respect peoples theological differences. That's fine.
Mideastfacts.org Anti Israel website, virulently so. People use those so call "facts" in the war against Israel which has many fronts. You are treading back into the Nazi stuff again, let me guess you are going to start with "fascist" talk and then here we go again right back into it.
I agree that societies built on injustice cannot survive, and there is no grater example of injustice on a grad scale than Israel. The Palestinians had a wonderful civilization and along came the immigrants who attacked them like animals and drove them off their land and imprisoned them. Israel have been doing the same to the palestinians for 60 years, It's disgusting. The Palestinians in Gaza are in the same situation that the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were. They hate those that are brutalizing and persecuting them yes. Who could blame them? Hamas only came into being because Israel supported and financed them from the beginning, hoping they woudl be a foil to the PLO. It was a case of divide and conquer, the same way the US supported al Qaeda and the Taliban. Anyway, Hamas are the side offering peace, which Israel as usual, has rejected. By all mean, keep building like crazy in Jerusalem. When the Arabs take over, they will love you for it. Steal and build on all the land you want. When it comes time to give it back, it will be wonderful of the palestinians.
Here we go again with the warsaw ghetto and holocaust talk. Hamas lover. Arabs can try taking over. Won't happen. We will build. It's not stealing when you already own it.
Jews have land in Israel only. Please don't stop. The Palestinians need homes and will appreciate these lovely apartments when you return the West Bank to the new state of Palestine.
Mideastfacts.org is a Jewish web site. People use "facts" to expose Israel's crime deserve commendation. Nothing to do with Nazis,. though you seem determined to bring it up. Israel is a racist apartheid state, that was founded on terrorism. It is a militaristic state, hence it is fascist. Nothing to do with Nazis.
Majority. Especially on Jerusalem
Bigot means by G-d. Not a big deal. You are oblivious the plight of Jews looking to build and live in our own land. You are a racist, a self hating Jew and a supremacist.
We won't stop. We will build and protect. Even if Palestine was forced on us. It's wrong to expel Jews from their homes. Or would the arabs just massacre the Jews and steal the homes?
Propaganda website. This website is a "Jewish" website too. But I see plenty of dissent on here. Israel is a just nation founded on riteousness.
Jews have no plight. There is a state called Israel in which they are welcome. They can go there and buy and like everyone else. I love all races of people and couldn't give a crap about being Jewish or not. Religion is mind control. You're the religious ideologue who has delusions of supremacy, not me.
You love everyone but your own people. Everyone but Jews. Something happened to you man. Something with your parents. Made you an enemy and traitor to your own nation. Worse than neterei Karta in some ways. Supremacy is the notion that a Palestinian state must be "devoid" of Jews.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting that a Palestinian state should be devoid of Jews. Just devoid of Jewish-only settlements and roads.
The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto were heroes who resisted their persecutors, whcih is why we remember them. The Palestinians in Gaza are the same. They are fighting for their survival and resisting their persecutors. It;s stealing when it doesn't belong to you. The West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza does not, which is why you had to go to war to steal it.
More of a minority in Jerusalem.
It's not theft if you already own it. Gaza is no Warsaw ghetto. That's laughable comparison that rings so hollow. Your ancestors if they really were affected in the holocaust are turning over in their graves. Wailing at your spite of them. The land belongs to Jews. We were attacked by Arabs. We won. We liberated our land. We will win again. We will cling to our land.
European Jews have no historical connection to what is now known as Israel and occupied Palestine, and the biblical account of the history of Jews in that region is largely fiction, according to most Israeli experts. So if you’re an Ashkenazi Jew or a Sephardic Jew, you have no claim to that land whatever. If you’re a Mizrahi Jew, you might have as much claim to that land as the rest of the Palestinians, but no more.
Jerusalem is in the Jewish consensus as a unified city
You will build and then your government will hand over the West Bank and East Jerusalem, just like they did Gaza. It's not wrong to relocate Jews from illegal settlements, especially if your government makes that agreement on behalf of Israel. The Palestinians wont massacre anybody. Massacres are Israel's speciality.
Dissent is a sign of democracy an openness to opinion. Israel is a just nation founded on terrorism by terrorists.
Interesting assumption you have.
Yeah yeah. And black is white, up is down, and Jews are Europeans, and Palestinians are Jews, and Jews are terrorists and Hamas are charity organization and farfur mouse loves Jews, and it's opposite day.
how… How… HOW does a 94 post back and forth with eitan happen? questions abound. like, how can I read it without my skull collapsing on my brain? and who would be insane enough to carry on such a lengthy ordeal?
Not world or Palestinian consensus.
You love everyone and my own people are my family, friends and colleagues. Your notion of "people" is just primitive tribalism. Nothing happened to me. I've had a charmed life. My parents are awesome. My nation is where I'm living as with most Jews who's decided that Israel does not represent them. I owe nothing to that sad country and it owes me nothing. You are trying really hard to get your head around it aren't you Eitan? Supremacy is the notion that a Jewish state must exist for Jews and that Arabs must be second class citizens and a minority.
How a Jew could hate his own people? Yeah hard to get around. Supremacy is the notion that Jews cannot live in their land.
Arabs Jew haters don't have consensus? Let me repeat we do not require Arab consensus on our rights.
It's not theft if you already own it, but you never owned it. Not even the State of Israel owned it or claim to own it. Gaza is actually worse than the Warsaw ghetto. The comparison is an obvious one. No ancestors of mine were affected in the holocaust. The land in Israel belongs to the State of Israel, Outside of the state of Israel, the land belongs to the Palestinians. Israel also stole the land of 800,000 Palestinians. You were attacked by Arabs once, but you were attacking them already. You used wars to steal land. You lost to Hezbollah and you will love again because the IDF are cowards. You can cling all you want to your land and return what you stole.
Rabbinic Judaism is the youngest of the Abrahamic religions: [Dr. Claude Mariottini - Professor of Old Testament] A Christian Cross from a Cave in Israel.
That's like saying I can take anything I want because no one has a right to say no. You're attitude is one of a spoiled child who can't understand why he can't have everything his way. Arabs share Jerusalem so they do have a say. Unless of course, you are admitting hat Israel is a lawless state, in which case, I woudl agree.
I love my own people, who are my family and friends. I don't hate anyone. Supremacy is the notion that Jews have a right to all the land, whether in the state of Israel or not because they think that God gave it to them. the belief that Jews are God's chosen people is the ultimate form of narcissism.
It would be messed up if an atheistic movement led to a 30 Years War between Jews, wouldn't it. But I've already seen quite a few Zionists don their pointy caps and issue ex-communications to anti-Zionist Jews.
The palestinians will get East Jerusalem. No one woudl have believed the Berlin wall woudl have come down, but it did. You can build on your land, inside the State of Israel. If you build outside of it, then prepare to give it away.
I hate the mentality of settlers and the mentality of Zionists because they are cruel, vulgar and extremists. I hate murderers and rapists and pedophiles too. Most Jews have chosen not to migrate to Israel and many that have, have chosen to return. As for you iron dome missile defense system, it's clearly useless, as it cannot even stop home made rockets.
More people have dies in Warsaw and it has been going for much longer than Warsaw. 51% if Israelis know that you lost against Hizbullah. Their few thousand fighters held back everything you threw at them and Israel walked way humiliated. Next time they'll beat you a third time.
Jewish people will build and live in West Jerusalem and thrive. Feel free to build the state of Israel. Judea and Samaria is not in Israel.
Self hating Jews don;t kill people. Israel was founded on terrorism and elected terrorist leaders so Zionists like you protect terrorists and believe Israel can do no wrong. You again debunk your own argument, You said that the children of Jewish mothers are Jewish, but you now say that those children are not Jewish. So you hate Jews that intermarry. You are definitely a supremacist and a rabid racist. I have never met anyone with such extreme view and you make me ashamed to be Jewish. Do you realize that this means Jews will become inbred? Is that what happened to you? Israel is headed for destruction.
Proto-ethnic Ashkenazi populations can be identified in the territory of historic Poland back to the 900s. The wandering Jew is a Christian myth traceable to St. Augustine (even if he was writing about Judeans and not Jews in any modern sense). Modern Jewish populations (except for the tiny village Jewish Arab population of Palestine) were all descendants of non-Jewish non-Judean populations that began to practice some form of Judaism from antiquity through the Middle Ages. It cannot be reiterated too strongly that Israeli Zionists are racist murderous genocidal invaders, interlopers, and thieves that serve as the linchpin in a criminal conspiracy that is sucking the US economy dry. All patriotic Americans and all decent human beings must hate, despise and scorn Zionists. Any Jews refusing to condemn Zionism catgegorically and unequivocally is a crypto Zionist enemy of the human race.
"That being said converts are a minority of Jews living in world" How do you know? Why are there so many different Jewish features if they ultimately descended from the same people? How did that come about? You are aware your argument thought to the end is essentially about ethnic purity? Whom does this remind me of? You should read the standard on the Jewish history of conversion, benshlomo, but then you better ignore it. http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&tag=mozilla-2...
Jewish collective title to most of the land was lost a LONG TIME ago. It is a VIOLATION of Torah to attempt to realize the messianic era by force, even as a beneficiary of force. Please actually study Torah, yourself, not spoonfed by ideologues. Read it. Read Talmud. The conclusions that you espouse only conform to limited and largely rejected interpretations.
The most amazing thing one encounters is the lacking wit in these ideologues. I'd never thought I would witness that Jewish people can be just as easily propagandized as any other group on earth, maybe even more perfectly. But then no other group has a similarly convincing narrative: "people will always hate us, they have done so before they will do to eternity", thus they do not really need to consider their actions, as it must lead to heightened suspicion against almost anybody except for other Jews. It may be a very helpful tale, to accomplish things no matter what others feel or say, but it clearly has it's danger components, as we witness, if it is combined with power and no consideration of others feelings. It can become pretty explosive it feels.
"skinhead" Khazar theory? how about skinhead Moses theory?
to be more clear, eithan believes ethnic cleansing of native arabs in the former Brit Mandate is justified, as do many Israeli rabbis.
What's amazing to me, LeaNder22, is what sort of propaganda you had in your head as reality for so long that you only now are waking up. Reminds me of that old saw about Germans: "They're either kissing your ass, or biting your neck." Now, I'm not saying I support that old saw. But you do reasonably imply that you've long been indoctrinated and are now only slowly realizing it. Well, that's a good sign.
As a non-Jew of european origin, I'd like to add: Evangelical Christian Zionists, end-timers all, please actually study the bible, and don't be spoonfed by mistranslating ideologues who also always ignore context and use passages very selectively so the complex meaning is turned on its head, a single finger taken for the whole body.
Citizen, I judged from the people I met. And to use a slightly arcane way to put it, the person that had the most influence on me is a descendant from the tribe. She has always been an avid reader. Yes I thought Jewish people were readers to a much larger extend than other groups, but the net teaches me I am wrong. So, yes. I somehow took the image for the real. But if you are a reader and the Jews you encounter are either friends or bookish friends, it can happen. One day I'll look into the genesis of the image: http://books.google.de/books?id=i5bkwD1r_y8C&...
Yeah, I think suicide bombings against myself are justified.