I just read an article from the North Jersey Jewish Standard about local NJ Jewish motorcycle clubs trying to stand up in support
of Trader Joe's. I found it both sad and amusing. Well intentioned
people, who appear to refuse to deal with the complexities of the
conflict, offering simplistic knee jerk support of Israel. If this is
how status-quo people are going to defend Israel, then progressive
citizens and politicans have a great chance at chaning the dynamic for
a just resolution to the conflict.
-Bob Nesoff, president of the New Milford Jewish Center and a
member of Jewish motorcycle clubs Hillel’s Angels and Chai Riders,
began coordinating the counter-protest last week. He has arranged paths
along routes 4 and 17 with local police departments. And while the
Trader Joe’s in Paramus carries only a small number of Israeli
products, he said, he has been told that the store will stock up on
those ahead of the ride. (The Jewish Standard was not able to confirm
this.)
-“Our message is simply, ‘If you are going to try to harm Israel,
we are going to do our best to help Israel,’” Nesoff said. “They’ve got
to know that Jews and friends of Jews in Israel are not going to sit
back and take it on the chin.”
-Participants in the ride will not speak about the state of
negotiations or the two-state solution, Nesoff said. They will be there
only to show support of the Jewish state.
-Despite the apparent inability of the (Don't But Into Apartheid)
group to mobilize the boycott locally, Nesoff remained firm on the need
to show support. “If [the boycotters] get away with this now, they’re
going to go from Trader Joe’s to Target to Kohl’s to whomever else,”
Nesoff said. “We feel it’s got to be stopped in its tracks.”
It made me think of the poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Your link doesn't take the reader to an article about you or the boycott.
Just since yesterday I have contacted about 90 people that have agreed to make purchases at Trader Joe's each week and to let them know why. They will contact others and other will contact others yet.
I hear vegetables grown in Gaza green houses are delicious…oops the people you champion destroyed those green houses in a rage filled looting spree.
First they came for the Palestinians
You summed it up. Knee-jerk irrational but emotionally charged support for the pariah State. It's nothing to do with 'right' or wrong but rather 'what's good for the Jews'. Tribal loyalty.
Since the stated intent of the boycott movement is to continue the boycott as long as Israel continues to exist, there isn't really a whole lot of incentive for anyone who wants Israel to continue to exist to join it.
I think you are missing the point. Certainly, had Trader Joe's management bought into the boycotter's argument and chosen to no longer stock Israeli goods, people on this site and elsewhere would have hailed that as a massive achievement. And had the store refused your request, but hundreds of people shown up at TJ stores to vandalize Israeli goods (a la France), this would have been celebrated as a huge display of courage and part of a march towards victory. Given that, why shouldn't the company refusing the boycotter's request in no uncertain terms be also read in political terms? And the fact that hundreds of people did how up to make a statement at the store (not the boycotters, but supporters of Israel) must – in the interset of fairness – be read as a success for Israel's supporters which can only be read as the boycotter's defeat. (Cont…)
While it may be amusing to fixate on a few inarticulate statements (such as the one about Target) and pretend that this is the Alpha and Omega of the counter-boycotter's position, the Internet is littered with more polished arguments about the significance of the recent failed Trader Joe's "political action" (you can see my aftermath write up at http://www.divestthis.com/2009/06/battle-of-cousc... If you choose to criticize others for not dealing with the "complexity" of the conflict (which you seem to read as people not agreeing with your position), you need to demonstrate an ability to grapple with that complexity yourself, or risk being seen as a simple propagandist, unwilling or unable to deal with your opponent's strongest arguments (rather than searching out their weakest and pretending that this is all you must respond to).
Sad and amusing because they don't agree with you. Progressives have always been a very very small portion of the population and pretty much powerless. How many progressives get elected? What portion of the population consider themselves progressive? The truth is most people can't stand you. You will change nothing.
Why change the quotation, or more precisely it's sequence? Niemöller knew how it started, who was targeted first to make sure they were out of the way for their elections in 1933. http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem.... http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/niem....
The quotation was changed because first they came for the closer Palestinians to make sure they were out of the way, and then they moved on the more remote ones; now they come for the ones who ran away or were pushed away, and the goal after that will be more conquest. Until God's work is done.
I am not aware of vandalization, only of educational campaigns. http://vodpod.com/watch/1446227-pro-palestinian-s... Can you give us a link?
"you need to demonstrate an ability to grapple with that complexity yourself" Have you read the postings on this site? Most people here can't deal with the complexity of scrambling an egg, let alone the P-I conflict. The discussion gets about as far as "let's kill Israelis, and if we can't do that, let's boycott them". See the postings of people like "lovelyisraelis" if you don't believe me.
Boycott is collective punishment. If you feel that you can undertake some collective punishment so surgically that it is both effective and minimally harmful on innocents, so be it. (They conflict though. To be effective it would have to be maximally harmful). I don't think anyone here bothers that much, including Phil.
That's very sleazy of you Tom, which is to be expected from a Zionist shill. No, the intent of the boycott movement is to continue the boycott as long as Israel continues to blockade Gaza. You know it, but you just can't help lying can you? I guess you have no choice when you defend Israel.
"Boycott is collective punishment." So is s blockade, which is much more severe. South Africa wa boycotted for the same reasons, apartheid. Of course, having an Israeli applogist complain about collective punichment, when collective punishment is Israel's rasion d' etre is like the hunchback of Notre Damme telling someone to stand up stright.
If you are going to undertake collective punishment as some kind of cure, you BEST know what your goal is. Its reasonable to criticize Israel's collective punishment. Its UNREASONABLE to carelessly employ it oneself. NEVER AGAIN, to anybody, and not by MY hand. (Its doesn't just apply to Israel).
What your saying is that it's OK for Israel to do it but it's a crime when Israel gets a taste of it's own medicine.
Actually, there's not been much video since almost no one showed up for the Trader Joe's boycott (itself a telling piece of information). That said, the event that inspired this aborted boycott (as attested by the boycotters themselves) took place in France and can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4oDDzKjAX8
Ha! Palestinean terrorist attacks were supposedly there to liberate "Palestine". When Israel gave the ENTIRE Gaza Strip to the Palestinean Authority, did Israel receive ONE SHRED OF PEACE from the Palestinean terrorists? No, terrorism only increased. (Murderous Palestinean terrorism increased following Oslo, too.) Jihad is never-ending. You either don't understand this or don't want other to understand this.
Jon, it certainly is your right to counteract the BDS efforts of progressives. In doing so, you also call attention to the matter. Calling attention to Israeli apartheid in any way possible is why Naomi Klein and others are banging the drum. If you counteract the BDS by purchasing Israeli goods, no problem — other people will wonder what the fuss is about. At the end of the day, buy all the Israeli goods you want, but join the chorus demanding that Israeli stop ethnically cleansing Palestine, cease the human rights violations, and stop incinerating Gazan women and children with US-taxpayer funded white phosophorus weapons. As Naomi Klein said, "Never again means just that. Never again for anyone."
I wasn't really aware of the history of variations. But interesting. I also can understand that his earliest quote while true to the historical sequence was received with a certain distrust on the Jewish site in the post-war period. Obviously the topic is still as difficult as it was then. But first of all, as I remember it, it isn't a poem but he used it in a sermon. Niemöller was incarcerated in Dachau from 1937 to 1945, and that was well before the mass transportations of the Jewish Germans, still in Germany, began. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6lle... Niemöller was one of our heroes, yes initially quite probably an antisemite. You have to keep in mind that the Protestants as a group were more likely to vote for the Nazis than Catholic regions, who predominantly voted for the Center (Zentrumspartei/Center party). But true the Catholics too in the end allowed the Nazis to trick them. What we liked about Niemöller was, that he was honest about his history. He never denied that he had voted for the Nazi up to the point they seized power, but from then on he became more and more estranged from them, and tried to fight their orders, which in 1937 brought him to Dachau.
Richard, the concept of collective punishment cannot possibly be applied to an economic boycott of Israeli goods if you're attempting to compare it to the IDF-imposed starvation of millions in Palestine with its illegal blockade. Sending a commecial message by boycotting imported Israeli goods is a raindrop in the ocean compared to what Israel is doing right now in Palestine. The progressives' efforts to boycott/divest/sanction South Africa was noble; the apartheid white South Africans imposed on the indigenous population was monstrous. Same thing here.
Witty is very intellectually dishonest and immoral. He does this stuff ALL the time. He also calls the removal of illegal settlements and colonists, an 'ethnic cleansing'. And those shitty crude Qassams that killed 8-15 people in 8 years a 'bombardment'. Typical Witless, white-washing Israel's crimes while disregarding international law/the UN/etc. (and at the same time citing Israeli law as if it has any jurisdiction in the OT) AND playing up the crimes of the Palestinians as if they are this great force.
@ Un-Natural Growth, " the concept of collective punishment cannot possibly be applied to an economic boycott of Israeli goods if you're attempting to compare it to the IDF-imposed starvation of millions in Palestine with its illegal blockade" But that's where you're wrong. Not wrong in saying that you or I could not compare the two, but in saying that Richard Witty, the blind hasbaran, could not apply the concept by attempting such a comparison. Richard Witty can and does make such comparisons, and he usually ends up harping on the economic boycott or the evil Iranians while downplaying and minimizing the crimes against humanity perpetrated by his spiritual state. Get used to it – then get used to the frustration. PM
Witty will dishonestly say 'never again' for rhetorical purposes but NEVER HAS HE ever made an intellectually honest argument on this board. Soft-pedals the hasbara and plays up the crimes of the Palestinians. Constantly insinuates that there is equal blame to go around when the relationship between Jew and Palestinian is more akin to MASTER and SLAVE for obvious reasons. Etc. etc. He's trash.
Richard do you support sanctions on Iran, did you support sanctions on Iraq before. They were really harmful, and a clearly collective punishment and may well have harmed mainly the poor. Surely not Saddam's elites.
People of conscience obviously aren't going to touch israeli crap with a ten food pole. Perhaps a few…VERY few businesses, which are fundamentally amoral institutions, will adhere to a strict boycott. It's not going to hurt israel and if it DID hurt Israel economically, our sleazy govt led by the miserable uncle tom obama will find a way to make up the difference. But boycott is still a moral stand for every individual. It's the right thing to do for one's personal hygiene to avoid like the plague anything having to do with shithole Israel. We just shouldn't inflate the importance of these private acts of conscience.
Witty, you are correct that boycotts need to be targeted carefully and with specific goals in mind: http://usacbi.wordpress.com/faqs/ There is, in fact, a huge difference between refusing to buy products produced in illegal settlements (which, since the labeling system used by Israeli exporters and U.S. importers doesn't differentiate, could be any products claiming to originate in Israel), or refusing to buy products from companies that profit from the occupation, and blockading a country so as to not let in rebuilding materials, medical supplies, and food. It is a racist sentiment that equates the two only because one is applied to Israel and the other to Palestinians.
So "Body by Jake" moved to Jerusalem after his cable show was cancelled? Who knew. "Jihad is never-ending." Neither is settlement constuction. Linkage?
If true, you have nothing to worry about……and yet you worry.
Okay. So if we agree that boycotting is "collective punishment," then Richard surely you opposed the sanctions on Iraq and the threat of "crippling sanctions" on Iran. And do you oppose the Israeli blockade of Gaza?
If you shop at TJ's just be sure not to purchase any Israeli sourced products.
The point of the boycott is that it draws attention to an organization or a country engaged in what most people consider immoral acts. Since most people in Israel wholeheartedly approved what was done (and still is) to gaza, the collective punishment is, in fact, targeted. Sure, a few innocents get caught in the net, but in Israel, the culture of indifference to wrongs is so pervasive as I would say it's very few innocents. And most of the time the good people in Israel (all 10,000 of them?) are on our side, and support the boycotts, especially the cultural/academic ones. The proof that boycott works is that it stings not that it's effective in curtailing economic activity. As witty's comments here indicate, it bites. And that's good. Personally, I got couple of dozen people to reconsider shopping at trader joe's. What was more important was that I got to explain why this action was significant. My take is that draw a parallel between living environmentally conscience life (to the best of one's ability) and a morally conscious one. Sure, the 'dolphin safe" tuna may be mislabeled, but so are products made on stolen territory. One can simply eat a lot less tuna bought in regular stores. Or shop a lot less in stores like trader joe's. The mere act of asking whether a product is made in Israel is a form of protest. For my contribution, the knowledge that 2 dozen people who may have known little or any about the issues in the conflict before now do is an accomplishment, because I see ignorance and indifference as the enemies. And these people will tell others. Next time they read something in the paper about Israelis dissing Obama, they'll pay attention.
Very good post UNG….of course, all Carnas apparently hears you saying is, "Let's kill all the Israelis!!"
It beats the hell out of me why these fanatic pro Israel jews stay in the US or any other country….why aren't they living in Israel if they are so dedicated to it? If I was living abroad and my county was in trouble I would be going home to do what I could for it.
Thanks Phil, for the quote. For a second I mentally mixed up Niemöller and Bonhoeffer. It was of course Bonhoeffer who taught at Free University and whose seminaries I visited once or twice in the early seventies in Berlin and who was our main hero. Long time ago. Still thanks for the quote. Interesting debate between Herbert Marcuse and Werner Cohen. http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/proje...
Your reply presumes a couple of things that don't seem to be based on anything I've said or written (on my site or this one), notably (1) that I am fighting efforts of progressives (most of the people I'm allied with in the fight against BDS, for example, are professives who consider the BDS movement highly reactionary) or (2) that I agree in any way with the characterization of "Israeli Apartheid". I understand that the hope is that if you repeat those two words together enough time people will believe it, but that is your belief and desire, not fact (and, again, not even the opinion of the countless people I know who find the whole BDS movement highly reactionary). (Continued…)
Now we're obviously talking about people's opinions, your opinion that Israel represents a form of Apartheid, and people I know who believe Israel's enemies and their apologists represent the worst form of racism, sexism, homophobia and reactionary politics left on the face of the earth. As long as both sides clearly identify these as their own opinions (not facts) we can have a civil conversation.
Zionists will love you for saying that. As for me I want as many Jewish folk as possible in my Texas neighborhood. I want them happy, prosperous, and secure. I don't want them to go kill and displace Palestinians, or get themselves in a situation where they might get hurt, or at best live a stressful, neurotic, fearful life. Only Zionists and anti-Semites want Jews to go to Israel. And Zionism is Jewish self-hatred, based on the unfortunate belief that Jews can never live with anyone else. And Christian Armageddonist Zionism is a severe hallucination.
TJ's is in business to make money. When products do not sell or they lose their profit margins TJ's no longer stocks them. They have not stocked organic Darjeeling tea for many years, not because of demand and supply, but because of low profit margins. Avoid Israeli products at TJ's and TJ's will no longer stock them.
It's also good to vandalize or destroy israeli goods on the shelves so no one else buys them.
Tj's is in business to make money.
Jon, you nailed it right on the head. Only Israel's supporters are "knee jerk." It's detractors, meanwhile, must never be opposed.
Now you're advocating for malicious criminality. I hope Phil turns your IP address over to the police. You're a work of art.
No, it's not. You should be punished for it. If you believe in it strongly enough to do it, don't whine about your jail time.
"based on the unfortunate belief that Jews can never live with anyone else" It is an unfortunate truth. Christians have proven it many times over the last several centuries.
I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you simply haven't read their position. http://bdsmovement.net/?q=node/52 One of their conditions for ending the boycott is: "Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194" Maybe you are unaware, but what that means is that over 5 million Palestinians would flood into Israel and simply vote it out of existence. The intent of the boycott movement is to appear reasonable, while making demands that they know Israel cannot meet. It is purely and simply intended to weaken Israel, not to get Israel to do what they say they want it to do. They also call for their supporters to support violent attacks against Israel.
Wow, shades of Krystalnacht. This isn't a boycott, this is thuggery.
there was nothing harmful about Iran nor Iraq other than the fact that they were not toeing the US nazi line.
People of conscience will touch Israeli made goods with their hands. Rather than going with a "boycott" that is open ended as long as Israel exists.
The Gazans might get a pit more sympathy in Israel if they didn't keep firing missiles at Israel. Funny thing. Now that I know TJs has Israeli goods, and refuses to cowtow in fear of Palestinian supporting thugs like the ones in that video from France, I shop their more often.
except vandalism is illegal. Geez louize lovelyisraelis.
Why do you want airbags in your car that you never want to use? Throughout history, the Jews have been persecuted in nations that had been relatively friendly a decade or two before. In WWII, Jews who could otherwise have escaped were murdered by the Nazis because no country would take them in. Are you really unable to put 2+2 together and figure out why Jews who don't live in Israel still want it to exist? Are you that blinded by your racism?
Easy to do without getting caught. Anything that hurts Israelis, economically or physically, is a moral act. If it's Israeli, it needs to be destroyed. End of story.
Are you a Steven Colbert type who is being over the top to try to make Phil's fools look like lunatics? Or are you actually a lunatic? Please don't vandalize Israeli products, but if you do, please film yourself doing it, including a good face shot. Then post it on youtube.
Supporting Arab charities is ALSO illegal. But torturing Arabs, including arab children is not only legal but heavily subsidized. Murdering over a million Iraqi civilians and tearing their country to shreds is completely legal. Or so the United States claims. There were those who dutifully followed the legal system laid out by the Nazis. Then there were those who saw it as obligatory to disobey such laws. Ditto, those who refused to serve in Vietnam. We are in such a time. Adherence to the law has brought misery and destruction to the Palestinians. The israelis have NO RIGHT to sell goods which support apartheid and dispossession. Their goods, by any standard of human decency, are forbidden.
Why not boycott the 20% of Democrats in the US Senate who are Jewish Zionists instead? Go straight at the belly of the beast: The Israel lobby and its political minions who are enabling and underwriting all of these Israeli abuses. I fear lefties merely want to treat the symptoms and not the disease. Typical that they scapegoat business for a government-created problem. Typical that they ignore authoritarian, Big Government Jews at the top engineering the injustice, just as they ignored the authoritarian, Big Government Jews at the top engineering the mass murder of Christians and dissidents by the millions in the early Soviet Union. I don't see how "progressives" ever plan to make progress when they ignore the key dynamic (Diaspora political Judaism + authoritarian Big Government) feeding the furnace that is consuming the Palestinians because it is ideologically inconvenient. It makes me wonder if "progressives" aren't really just watered down communists exploiting the issue for their own larger agenda.
Let's boycott Ed. Let's starve him to death. Nobody really cares if Ed is dead.
But, do you have more friends than I do, who actually respect your opinion? and of those friends/acquaintences who do, how many were ignorant of the issues before and are of the kind willing to be enlightened and make their own judgement? So it's my two dozen (that in the space of a couple of months – yadi adai'in netuya!) vs your one and only somewhat flawed self….which one of us will be more effective in the long run? And, prey do tell- which of us might be more persuasive (whether in writing or in person)? just some jack handy thoughts for the day, for your eyes only…. PS if you choose to reply, please avoid name calling or I ain't talking to you no more ('bout grammer or life or anything at all).
Ed You oversimplify. Personally, i think the Palestinians would get a fairer shake even from a Jewish zionist lout like Dennis Ross, than they would from Bush, Cheney or any number of other non-Jewish ghouls one could name. Add to this, the fact that the most principled, outspoken and eloquent condemnation of Israeli Nazism comes from Jews, including a few ISRAELI Jews like Amira Hass and Ilan Pappe. Yes…Jewish zionists are a huge problem, but getting rid of them (were that possible) wouldn't fix things. oh…and your strict separation of government and business (with the former bearing the blame for our present catastrophe) doesn't hold water. Our govt IS big business…and it is just such business (oil, natural resources, weapons contractors and militarization, etc) that is the true driver of this country's abysmal policies. Next to the lure of money, the appeal of zionist lunatic ideology is weak. Despite popular stereotypes, Jews are not the only ones drenched in greed and self-interest.
oh..and while we're on the topic of the law, let's not forget: It is against the law to bring toys to children recovering from the trauma of being bombed and invaded by Jewish Nazis.
You may not be aware of this, but the Jewish Agency in Mandate Palestine, which determined who could fill the British quota of Jewish immigrants, often turned down many European refugees in favor of young single men who were presumed to have had the correct pioneering spirit, regardless of which country they came from. And the Agency also sought to undermine the Evian conference on refugees in 1938, because they didn't want Jewish refugees to go anywhere else but Palestine, despite what the majority of Jewish refugees wanted. They did the same thing after the war, seeking to quash several efforts to help Jewish refugees that didn't include Palestine as their final destination. Zionists were also allowed to take over control of the Jewish DP camps after the war and beat and intimidated several thousand DPs into "volunteering" to fight in Palestine/Israel. Good for the Jews? Not really. And, much later, when Soviet Jews were allowed to leave their country, many of them wanted to go to West Germany or the US but Israel put pressure on West Germany to limit its immigration quotas, because Israel wanted the large influx of Jews for itself. It didn't care where those Jews wanted to go. And It did the opposite during the 80's in Argentina,.When some left-wing Argentinian Jews were seeking asylum in Israel from the right-wing military junta in Argentina, the Israeli Embassy there delayed their visas because Israel was militarily supporting the right-wing government there and thought it more important to stay on good grounds with a major client rather than save a few left-wing Jews from torture. If you think that Israel is going to "save" you, you've hopelessly naive. Its more likely to endanger you by claiming to speak in your name, and then leaving you to rot unless it serves its own purpose to drag you over there, and then leave you to rot. Really, think about it. Were the Japanese-Americans on the West Coast during WWII "saved" by the fact that they had a "home" country that bombed Pearl Harbor? Of course not. Having a heritage from another country that your present country is at war with has NEVER been a source of security for anyone. Why some Jews would think that the world works differently for them is continually amazing. Israel, by its belligerent actions, and its habit of claiming to speak for all Jews, has endangered many more Jews than it has "saved" and many of those who it has "saved" would have been better off without it. You want to help Jews? Then don't support the Israeli occupation, ethnic cleansing and maltreatment of the Palestinians.
The next time someone takes lessons in morality from a person who advocates murder and genocide (that would be lovelyisraelis, for those who haven't noticed), we'll know the human race's time is about up.
I gather that the inquisition, pogroms and holocaust were all signs of affection.
Be our guest – go ahead and try to vandalize. It'll be fun watching you rot in jail.
If your goal is to educate, there probably are other ways you could accomplish the same. And, if your goal is undertake some political change towards a specific proposal, then BDS might have some merit. A BDS campaign with a blunt raging, with NO specific consistent stated goal, is more mobbish than skillful dissent.
Part of the business of America has always been business. It also rightfully pursued ideological agendas, like anti-Communism. There has long been a level of colonial-like activity on behalf of business, too. But it was only when political Judaism deeply penetrated the Establishment that naked aggression and colonialism at the level of the Iraq war became a reality. And I think as this blog has demonstrated, and Walt and Mearsheimer have demonstrated, that the Israel lobby and its minions (Diaspora political Judaism and pro-Zionism) were the decisive factor in enabling the Iraq war, which means Bush and Cheney, even if they wanted to, would not have been able to pull it off without partnering with political Judaism. The abuse of the Palestinians (many of whom are Christians) with co-opted American resources by political Judaism in Israel cannot be divorced from the question of the power of political Judaism in America (which is centered around Jewish Zionists), nor can the sadistic desire to see them abused be divorced from the sadistic and morally stunted nature of political Judaism.
In states where gun sales are legal, Trader Joes stocks arms made in Israel from American technology.
Yeah they gave the Gaza strip and then surrounded it by air, land, and sea. Warsaw Ghetto anyone?
Much better to take over all the natives' land, right?
It is easy to understand the emotional desire to act out violence in response to others acting out violence, but it is still wrong. Civil disobedience, such as blocking the delivery of Israeli goods to a TJ's warehouse, for example, might be a better way to bring attention to the violence Israel acts out against civilians. Vandalizing or destroying goods is not going to have a positive effect on those same civilians. Please do not act out violently, but please adopt civil disobedience to communicate the immorality of selling goods from a rogue and murderous state. Civil disobedience does not provide the immediate satisfaction destruction of property does, which is why militant Zionists do not utilize it. Do not become them; they have already become what they despise and fear.
Yeah, they don't even understand that the native arabs were just that all along. What simpletons! I mean, who's the victims? Obviously it's the jews.
Never again was never meant to apply to anyone but jews. Otherwise, my God, we might have justice.
I get it. What's good for the Jews?
Thanks for the info – I sent an email to my list of 4,724 facebook fans listing all the places selling Israeli products and telling them to buy them Support Israel & Israeli Products BDS Iranian and other terror-enablers Sallam ALeikum, Jen
Witty is a hypocrite, protected in his walled jewish community by goy cops, protected overseas by goy GIs. He is just the latest manifestation of the court jew, albeit a really puny one. If his son wanted to marry a shiksa, he would ostracize both of them, unless the wife converted. He's basically a racist.
Well, Thom, jews are 2%. I am trying my best to get the other 98% to boycott Israeli products, and I am not alone–that's the least we can do as USA Firsters.
All check out the old BDS rage campaigns against apartheid S Africa. They worked.
too bad jews/israelis have also "saved" goys who would be safer without Israel's rubber stamp
and you deserve a plaque in the talmud hall of fame–the non-redacted one, the one not changed so goys would realize what's up
yeah, make sure you show yourself eating that good jewish food that tastes like shiit
duh so was Madoff, and the Wall St leverage & hedge funds kings
yes only F-16 lead dreidels will do, with a phosphorous coating
I do. Otherwise the racist segment of the jews would have a field day
Tommy, if you don't want to buy something, don't buy it. Don't try to physically block other people from being able to buy it. You are an individual, not a government at war.
There is no specific law against bringing toys. There is a general blockade against anything but humanitarian supplies. Those come in on trucks. There is also a ban on smuggling anything. Which is what those boaters were doing.
The military industrial-service complex Ike warned about has since then become much stronger and much more tied up with Israel in lots of sweetheart contracts with Israeli contracts, made extra easy by US memorandums and custom. Israel can can contract directly with US private corporations sans any US government filter wall–no other country can do this. Jews are not the only ones drenched in greed and self-interest, merely the only ones who are helped by every US regime. If the American people actually knew how favored the jews are in terms of all USA government policies, they would puke. A natural reaction not allowed due to total control of the USA MSM by jews. The goys in the media are merely careerists like Eichmann. The banality of evil continues.
Stopping Israeli products from being put on shelves is similar to what Israelis do to consumer goods going into Gaza. In my disobedience scenario it is the products that are prevented from reaching the retail shelves, not retail customers prevented from purchasing them. A civil disobedience program preventing distribution of Israeli products would be a sensible counter to Israeli policy and create a publicity problem for TJ's and other retailers making profits on goods from an evil state. The new TJ's in my neighborhood has signs indicating which of their products are kosher, by the way. Perhaps they should indicate which products are made with Palestinian blood.
People have shot at me. That freightened me. You are insignificant. You could never worry me.
Building houses is something that normal humans do. Cave-dwellers (e.g. Osama bin Laden) don't. Jihad is something that normal humans do not do. Cave dwellers (e.g. Osama bin Laden) do. Jews building houses (like Arabs do) is perfectly normal. Arabs build on both sides of the Jordan River, on both sides of the Green line. Why should it be any different for Jews? Unless you are bigot, of course…
Wrongo. Israel gave the ENTIRE Gaza Strip to the Pal Authority which then lost it to Hamas which declared.. that's right… never-ending Jihad against Israel. (Against infidels sons of pigs and monkeys like you, too, in case you haven't noticed yet.) Gazans have declared war against Israel, opened warfare against Israel and now you wonder why Israel dares to do something about it????
A lot of you Progressives are Jews, moron. Probably the ruling core of your group. The Jews control your every move and thought.
1) Who are the indigenous people of the Land of Israel, west of the Jordan River? (Hint, they don't normally speak Arabic.0 2) Who are the indigenous people of the Desert Kingdom, east of the Jordan River? (Hint, they are trying to establish a state on the other side of the Jordan.) Who, then, is taking over the land of whom?
I always purchase Israeli and American products. .
Israel is not in any trouble. The Palestinians are no threat and you progressives though you think you have power are really insignificant.
I am sure, someday, all the old Europeans in their nursing homes will give up the Israeli medical technology that is keeping them alive in solidarity with the down-trodden Palestinians.
1 tenth of 1 percent. You are that concerned? Based on your concern, Ed might as well kill himself.
Right. used to be a law that Jews had to wear yellow stars identifying themselves. used to be laws against Jews owning businesses or teaching or owning property or marrying non-Jews These are the sorts of laws the filth of israel have absorbed and applied to the Palestinians. Garbage from the sewer like Thom, support such Nazi laws, (providing they are not on the receiving end).
"It also rightfully pursued ideological agendas, like anti-Communism." ..in the name of which, we massacred 3-4 million people (mostly civilians) in SE Asia, turned Iran from a populist democracy into a fundamentalist lunatic asylum, armed and trained the Taliban against the Soviets, almost blew up the world a couple times, sent our hit men to assasinate democratically elected leaders like Allende…quite a laudable track record, ed.
"And I think as this blog has demonstrated, and Walt and Mearsheimer have demonstrated, that the Israel lobby and its minions (Diaspora political Judaism and pro-Zionism) were the decisive factor in enabling the Iraq war, which means Bush and Cheney, even if they wanted to, would not have been able to pull it off without partnering with political Judaism." I see zero evidence of that.
Indeed, I'd call American style virulent anti-Communism every bit as poisonous, misguided and murderous as zionism. Both are ideologies worthy of hillbillies and gangsters.