Shocking racism, not directly connnected to anything but exposing deep racism within European society: a 32-year-old Muslim woman is murdered inside a German courtroom by her neighbor. They are there because the neighbor has earlier harassed her as a "terrorist" because she wears a headscarf. The woman is then buried in her native town in Egypt, where there is a national outcry, in contrast to the ho-hum response in Germany to the case.
Abdel Azeem Hamad, chief editor of the independent Egyptian daily
el-Shorouk, said that if the victim had been a Jew, there would have
been an uproar.
Yes, but: The head of Germany's Central Council of Jews accompanied a Muslim representative to a Dresden hospital to visit the murder victim's husband, who was also critically injured in the attack.
Did any Muslims visit the Halimi family in Paris? Did Mondoignorance have anything to say about it?
Why do we only get the killers first name and first initial? Sounds fishy because he is also of Russian descent. " Sherbini, 33, was stabbed to death Wednesday in a courtroom as she prepared to give testimony against a German man of Russian descent [Axel W] whom she had sued for insult and abuse." http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/07/06/eg...
A Dresden hospital–how ironic. Can't wait to hear from our volunteer token German citizen on this issue, LeaNder?
Have a look at Wikipedia: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwa_El-Sherbini http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwa_El-Sherbini http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marwa_El-Sherbini
Sorry, I find that this sentence of the German Wikipedia article was not translated in the English Wikipedia: "Der Zentralrat der Juden in Deutschland solidarisierte sich mit dem Zentralrat der Muslime.[4] ↑ Hagalil: “Zeichen gegen Islamophobie” , 5. Juli 2009" May-be later in the evening or later in the night I will find the time to translate it or someone else does..
haven't the germans heard of metal detector , and why are guards shooting people who come to aid of the person whose being attacked instead of the attacker,
Europe and America have been exposed to a vast amount of anti-Islamic, anti-Arab bigotry in the last decade, particularly since 9/11. In this environment, it's really inevitable that sooner or later something like this would happen, though the fact that it happened in a courtroom is rather unexpected. This is what violently racist rhetoric leads to. It inflames stupid, easily manipulated people.
From Anti-Semitism to Islamophobia. The American organized Jewish community and Israel advocacy groups are working overtime to stoke Islamophobia in Europe: Rich American Jews & Geert Wilders.
roughly: "The central council of Jews in Germany makes solidarity with the central council of Muslims."
Actually, we are working overtime to stoke the flames of JoachimPhobia in Europe. I heard that it is working.
No need to work – Joachim Martillo does such a good job of portraying himself as the class clown.
Most people make a comment and then give a link to a news source to prove what they are saying is factual. Martillo makes a statement, then gives a link back to his own website. Where he is making a statement. In essence, he links to himself to prove what he is saying. Is it any wonder "Judonia" is winning?
Answer from Radio Eriwan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Yerevan): In principle, yes. But Dresden is in East Germany. And I won't speculate on the guard…
Thanks for the translation. I really had no idea how to translate "solidarisieren". Here is some more – already translated) – : ""You don't have to be a Muslim to act against anti-Muslim behavior, and you don't have to be a Jew to act against anti-Semitism," said Stephan Kramer, the general secretary of the Central Council of Jews." I know Stephan Kramer (from a Muslim converence that he visited), he practises what he preaches.
I want to know the last name of the killer.
What do you expect? Muslims (Turkish Germans) were among the victims in the big wave of xenophobic race crimes in the 90s that's part of the reason I am pretty concerned about the issue. Do you know the Siren from Hell, she thinks the extreme European right should be supported: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2... For whatever reason, I couldn't open this article via FIrefox connection interrupt.
No, he was a Russian of German descent. Or rather a German from Russia of German descent. Sounds complicated, I know. You have to go back to 1989 to understand it. Directly after 1989 the German Government encouraged persons of German descent in East European Countries including Russia to migrate to Germany. From Russia came (among others) quite a lot of Russian Mennonites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germans_i... For the rest see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germans_i... Most had hard times to integrate into German society so in the eyes of the government they mutated from “our German brothers and sisters who have been suppressed by brutal communists” to “these Russian welfare cases”. This must have been rather tough on them as they had been recruited in Russia as being of “German stock” to counter foreign infiltration in by southerners in Germany. So some of them reacted to this frustration by trying to be more German than the Germans (“deutscher als deutsch”). But how could they be that, when they were no more regarded by the Germans as being German? So some tried to prove themselves as being very German by being against foreigners. This is the short form. The reality is even more complicated. (For example the Mennonites mostly had the impression that in the German society there were no more real German values left and they soon refused to send there children to German schools any more).
My blog entries link to European discussions of Islamophobic incitement in which European and American Jewish groups are taking a leading role as well as to analysis of large-scale Jewish Zionist financial corruption with worldwide implications. We should be having a much more open discussion of Jewish Zionist fanaticism, extremism, racism, and financial crimes here in the USA. Because Intense debate makes it difficult to copy the material over with hyperlinks, it is simply easier for me to point into relevant blog entries, which I have already nicely formatted.
To citizen, another comment. Ironically there was a huge campaign also spread via Jerusalem Post against the head of the Institute for the Study of Antisemitism in Berlin, Wolfgang Benz, who dared to have a conference and printed its annals with the title: Image of the Enemy Islam and Islamic Antisemitism (Feindbild Islam and Islamisierter Antisemitismus). The usual ill-informed crowd frequented the online comment sections of Berlin and other German papers asking for the resignation of Wolfgang Benz. http://zfa.kgw.tu-berlin.de/publikationen/bilder/...
You won't get it. The name is usually anonymized in the articles. I can check, but all I saw is Alex W. If I see something on the net, I'll tell you.
It's bad that this happened, but that is a good sign. This is a really complex matter. I had my problems with the German Jewish survivor Ralph Giordano, when he sprouted really vicious stuff against the planned mosque here in Cologne, e.g. women with head scarves insult his esthetic feelings. But he also went to court against Pro-Köln, which belongs in the xenophobic European network the siren from hell wants to support in Europe, and knew were and when to differ. http://hpd.de/node/5304 Schön zu wissen, dass du Deutsch verstehst: http://hpd.de/node/5304
Stephan Kramer has held meetings with some of the more psychotic Jewish Zionists in the Boston area, and he was a leader of the idiotic attack on Joachim Cardinal Meisner: Nazism, Zionism, and Nutty Hypersensitivity.
You don't get into any of the courts or the administrations these buildings house, e.g. the economic registers, without being body checked both yourself and your bags. It's not metal detectors only but some kind of x-ray technique. They can see what's inside your bag. I don't know what exactly happened in Dresden.
What’s on? Chancellor Angela Merkel criticised the pope. Why not? She is a protestant, protestants traditionally have no great love for the pope. One might ask if this criticism was sensible and one might ask if it was justified. (In my humble opinion the answers are: no – yes). Cardinal Meisner demanded a public excuse from her. Why should she excuse herself? There is a separation of state and church in Germany and Cardinal Meisner has no authority on her. He may think that he has authority in Cologne although the good Catholic citizens of Cologne doubt that. (Well, nobody has much authority on them, they are known for being rather antiauthoritarian). And his more lucky colleague in the more southern Baden-Württemberg may in fact have rather a lot (in my opinion too much) of political clout there (just a few years ago a minister of Baden Württemberg was fired by the president of Baden-Württemberg because the Cardinal in Baden Württemberg felt insulted by said minister and deemed his public excuse insufficient). But quite a lot of Germans (including quite a lot of German Catholics) thought, that it is the right of chancellor Angela Merkel to criticise another head of state, including that of the Vatican. Stephan Kramer said just that. And he pointed out that Angela Merkel had strictly speaking not even criticised the pope, she had only asked for a clarification. So please, what is your problem with that?
Oh, sorry, I only now read the article "Nazism, Zionism, and Nutty Hypersensitivity". (I found it hard to read because of the dark underground, so I copied and pasted it into Word). No, Stephan Kramer said not a word about Cardinal Meisners disparaging remarks on the new window in the Kölner Dom (cathedral?). That were the members of his own congregation in Cologne who were furious because the design of the window had been chosen by themselves in an official competition. This procedure had been a innovation that the good Cardinal did not fancy. But he could not do much because he has no command on the “Dombaumeister” (master of the cathedral building) – which happens to be a woman nowadays – this being another innovation that the good Cardinal does not like.
What the heck is a "hate slaying?" If the victim and perpetrator were reversed, would it be a "poltically correct" slaying and unworthy of notice? Anyone should be able to look at the history of 20th century Europe and see that multiculturalism– > ethnic violence–>ethnic cleansing/partition. It's not clear to me that "multicultural education" (a relic of the Soviets' Lamarkian theories of re-education) is likely to change human nature any better than it has in the past. Many people in Europe are about as hostile to the denationalization/"Europeanization" of their homelands as I would be. Though it suits the interests of the internationalist/EU elite classes to bring in large numbers of Muslim immigrants, this kind of mass immigration is inevitably going to be seen as an attack on the native peoples and their culture. The government tries to cover up the problem by punishing anyone who protests, however peacefully. Such a charade cannot be maintained indefinitely. It's foolish to set straw next to flame and then wallow in moral outrage when it ignites.
Since the advent of trains, planes and automobiles, the world has gotten smaller and smaller. People are moving all over the place, from everywhere, and it will be difficult to maintain "racially pure" states. Every society will become multi-ethnic, and perhaps in a few centuries there will be so much mixing that distinct races will no longer exist. You cannot put that genie back in the bottle. It's best that we learn how to live in peace with each other ASAP; there is no alternative other than perpetual war.
Look you shouldn't excuse Cardinal Meisner. No one loves him here in Cologne. He is a hardliner and mainly good for jokes in Cologne. If someone criticizes him, he is probably right.
David, concerning Germany. Germany needed "guest workers" (Gastarbeiter) early for its economic wonder (Wirtschaftswunder). Initially it were mainly Italians but after quite a lot of Turkish people. What is wrong with that. They are mainly quite hard working people and by now are part of Germany and yes they are Muslim. I really have to wonder about your position here. Why should the people living in a country be all uniform little soldiers? What's wrong with diversity. Obviously colonialism brought that about. That's the basis in e.g. England or France. You can't turn back the clock.
I fixed the web page. It now includes a picture of the Kolumba Art Museum and the stained glass window to which Meisner objected: Nazism, Zionism, and Nutty Hypersensitivity. If you look at the window, Meisner does have a point, but for me that issue was irrelevant. I objected to the intellectual dishonesty about the word entartete. Here is Kramer's reaction (Mixa sieht Meisner über jeden Verdacht erhaben):
Kramer's criticism was intellectually dishonest and a form of intimidation because Kramer knows very well that "entarte Kunst" was (and remains) just as much Zionist (ethnic Ashkenazi Nazi) terminology as it was German Nazi terminology. Instead of explaining the underlying history of Zionist-German-Nazi ideas about Entartung, he used the controversy to claim a sort of ethnical high ground relative to the Cardinal. I know that Kramer is a aware of the common German-Nazi-Zionist usage because we discussed Max Nordau and the book Entartung briefly in another context a few months earlier. After I put together a web campaign to support Meisner, he wrote back a thank you note: Followup: Nazism, Zionism, and Nutty Hypersensitivity.
Interesting that a rabidly pro-Israel Jewish women would join the far right wing nationalists in Europe, the same sort of people who created the Holocaust. Maybe now the Israelis understand the Nazis? It certainly seems they've taken a page from Nazi philosophy–like Geller. On the other hand, why is it only the Western countries that have to constantly show they are not xenophobic? Can you name a country in the Middle East, Africa, or South America that is not? No. Well, maybe Brazil and Argentina. Try actually living there.
He takes his religion seriously, and he does not seem to hurt anyone. He did not deserve the abuse he received. Contrast him with Charles Jacobs, Dennis Hale, and Americans for Peace and Tolerance: Comments, Refutation: Leaders Are Extremist. These Jewish (Jacobs) and non-Jewish (Hale) Zionist Islamophobes are trying to encourage the sort of violence against Muslims that we saw in the German court.
Degenerate art simply means that less than figurative art represents an atrophy of normal perception, meaning how most people look at art, that is, they don't have a clue unless it's at least as representative as a comic book caricature depiction. Anything else is deemed crazy or a form of ridicule of the onlooker. Nazi Germany did use this concept of "degenerate art" for its own ends. I do see a parallel, however unintentional, with the criticism of the church window. The critic felt that by not depicting the usual figurative Christian symbols the window did not enhance Christian belief. All fascist and communist art have been starkly figurative in their symbols. Gigantic agitprop. Compare the Jewish _G-D–not in word or image is God depicted. Just the Devil, that is an SS Man or a Palestinian terrorist. Or, to partner to divide: a KKK guy in full hood and sheet. I will have to check out Ralph… Giordano
According to Wiki: "Currently, Giordano is a freelance writer and has written numerous articles about his experiences in Nazi Germany, the dangers of Neo-Nazi movements, and sees Islam as a threat: in a New York Times interview (2007), he vehemently opposed the construction of a new mosque in Cologne, citing German mosques as "a symbol of a parallel society", and calling the integration of German muslims "a failure"" Giordano was persecuted by the Nazis, so he became a Communist, and when Stalin started persecuting the Jews (instead of empowering them a lot), he left the red party. And now, he's against the German muslim minority even having a house of worship because the mosque itself is a sculpture symbolizing Islam–I conclude, because he has concluded muslims hate Jews. That's the pattern. Ironic that the Nazis thought the same about Jewish temples, i.e., that they represented a symbol of a parallel society; in other words, a fifth column. I think Geller is his fellow traveler. Germans have their own version of what Americans and French are facing–in fact, all the states modeled after the USA's example in the arena of civil rights. Only the western nations actually try to implement such values in any meaningful way, yes or no?
Are you just realizing that there are factions among Jewish racists? Is there really that much difference between those who would claim Judaism not Jews are the problem and those that might claim to hate Jews on non-theological grounds? Marketing Islamophobia like Judeophobia is not a "one size fits all" campaign. From Erklärung von Ralph Giordano:
Some Zionists want like Giordano to argue the conflict between Judeo-Christianity and Islam (neo-Congress Zionist Islamophobia) and others like Jacobs demonize all Muslims because they worry about even the participation of secularized Muslims in debates about Israel (Jabotinskian Neocon Zionist Islamophobia), and some members of each faction may generally oppose the other faction. Some Jews (not just Zionists) have problems with any religious feeling among gentiles: Jewish, Zionist War Against Salvation, but they focus on Islam as the Jewish Zionist bigotry du jour. From Followup: Harvard Sharia/Apostasy Debate:
It is probably more obvious in German than in English, but the real meaning of degeneracy/Entartung means "making away from its own kind or genus." In English we sometimes confuse degeneracy with decadence or primitivism, but the German Nazis generally cherished primitivism that could be considered Germanic or Aryan while Zionists (Jewish Nazis) are always looking for evidence of archeological roots so that they have the excuse to steal more land and to drive more Palestinians from their homes.
See my first post for why "diversity" (as in the non-assimilation of a large minority group) makes me apprehensive. We had major waves of immigrants to the US, but before the 1960's it was taken for granted that they should assimilate to a common language and culture. The German-Russian side of my family took this so seriously that my maternal grandfather was not allowed to speak German at home, only English. I think that may have been excessive (since now I'm learning German!), but it's an example of how important being part of one American people was. One notable group that did not really assimilate were the second wave of Eastern European Jews, who rarely left the coasts and developed their own parallel intellectual and media culture. They were often culturally and poltically at odds with the established American Jews who could not relate to their radicallism, and there were bitter organizational conflicts (over Zionism in particular) up to the formation of Israel. Since then, the Eastern establishment has effectively defined American Judaism.