If you need any indication that the discourse on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is changing in the US just check out this report from ABC News – Israel at War … Over Road Signs?: Israeli Transport Ministry Accused of Plan to Ethnically Cleanse Road Signs.
The story outlines plans the new Israeli Minister of Transportation has to change the "the names of more than 2,500 road signs, doing away with Arabic place
names and replacing them with simple translations of Hebrew names." Some examples given would be dropping the Arabic al-Nasra for Nazareth and using the Hebrew Natsrat, and more controversially dropping the Arabic name for Jerusalem Al Quds and only using the Hebrew Yerushalayim. Although a Ministry spokesperson says the changes are being made solely for the benefit of drivers, a communications adviser to the Minister is a bit more upfront, saying opposition to the changes are an "attempt by anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist elements to annul Israel's
identity as a Jewish and democratic state. Anyone willing to refer to
Jerusalem as al-Quds is collaborating with the Palestinian propaganda."
As context the article highlights Avigdor Lieberman's success in the recent Israeli elections, and it's clear that his right wing views are opening space for the US media to talk truth about Israel in a way that it hasn't before. One example from the article is the explanation that "Israel's Arab community makes up 20 percent of the country's population
and many have long perceived of themselves as second-class citizens." Weren't these the same 20% that used to be held up as evidence that Israel is a flourishing democracy? More interesting is that the term "ethnic cleansing" is not actually used by anyone in the story, but was added by ABC News to help clarify the story in the subtitle.
When Ilan Pappe came out with The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine in 2007 applying the term "ethnic cleansing" to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was considered controversial and on the cutting edge. Less than two years later, ABC News has adopted the term. Anyone think this might be why the Israel Project is trying to co-opt it for their own purposes?
Those are not lies. I'll warn you not to call people liars. All land is Israel is Jewish. Jews are the legal landholders to the land of Israel, Hebron, Jerusalem, Beit El, etc.
Palestine is not a high contacting party. There never was and never will be a state of palestine.
The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel
No oe beliebes a word you say Jake, so you can sing from your soap box as loug as you like. You are an aplogist for a racist, facist, terrorits state, which makes you the biggot. You see, unike you, I respect all religions, all cutltures and all enthnicities. You are an Islamophobe, which makes you a biggot.
Pappe is a traitor
You see Eitan? Even Isrrli supporters conside you a liar. All land in the State of Israel is Israeli territory, and may or may not belong to Jews. There is no such thing as Jewish land. Jews have no legal claim to Hebron, Jerusalem, Beit El.
There isn't a state but there will be a Palestinians state, so get used to it.
"The Land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel" You almost got it. The land in the State of Israel belongs to the State of Israel.
"The demented twins of false history. " Who happen to be suported by Benny Morris, Tom Segev and former Israeli foreing minister, Shlomo Ben Ami. It's one big conspiracy isn't it Jake?
HaAretz is the mouthpiece of the most rabid Leftists in Israel. It's editor David Landau BEGGED Condolezza Rice to "please rape us". He told her that it's his "wet dream" to be raped by the USA. He wanted the US to force Israel to create a Palestine out of Israeli soil. Rice had no idea how to respond to such a wacko. HaAretz? Respected? Only by Ignorant MondoBigots!
Many of those families live in mobile homes still today, years later. A few families live in tents. Shingo blabbers in ignorance again.
Shingo respects everyone? Anyone? You make a fool of youreslf. That's what makes you so much fun! You haven't provided a SINGLE factual references in DOZENS of postings. MondoShingo. Bigot.
Witty, if land can't be Jewish, please explain to the imaginary "Palestineans" that Jerusalem can't be theirs, either. According to you, they have no claim on Jerusalem – or anything. Interesting.
"Pappe is a traitor " Translation: Pappe, who agrees with Benny Morris, Ton Segev, and Shlomo Ben Ami, is a true historian.
Not at all. They are all publicity-seeking kooks, except for Ben Shlomo who is simply a moron. Their standard is of the "I was abducted by a UFO. Really!" category. And you rely on them. That explains a lot about you.
Jerusalem is part of the West Bank, so yes Jake, it will belong to a Palestinian state.
Incorrect translation. In fact I meant he is a traitor, a turncoat, a self hating Jew, a double agent, a subversive hack.
No the Jews do not own the land, because there is no such thing as the Jews. Hebron is in the West Bank, which happens to be outside of Israeli borders. No reasonable man accepts that the Jews own the land, whcih is why no government in the world, or the UN, or the ICJ, recognize the notion fo Jewish land.
"British Mandate was put in place specifically for creation of Jewish homeland." Wrong. The British mandate mentioned nothing about a Jewish state.
Ha'aretz is the only respected news source from Israel. "It's editor David Landau BEGGED Condolezza Rice to "please rape us". " Do you have a quote or are you lying again? "He told her that it's his "wet dream" to be raped by the USA. " Do you have a quote or are you lying again? BTW. Israel wouldn't last 10 minutes without US supoprt. "He wanted the US to force Israel to create a Palestine out of Israeli soil. " No he did not. The West bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem have NEVER been Israeli soil. "Rice had no idea how to respond to such a wacko. " You mean. Rice had no idea how to respond to what was never said.
Former Israeli soldiers are again speaking out about war crimes committed by the IDF in Gaza. The IDF is a terrorist organization.
No the British and the UN did, and now Israel considers the UN it's enemy.
Truth conquers
All families were generously compensated and live in homes in the West Bank.
There is a land of Israel. There is no Palestine
Hebron is within Israel.
Judea and Samaria belongs to Jews and Israel, Hebron is Jewish land. There never will be Palestinian state. Never has been, never will be.
While it is true that Israel is occupying the land (illegally), building in the occupied territories violates the 4th Geneva Convention.
traitors. IDF is the most moral army in the world.
There is such a thing as Jews. Hebron is in Judea. Reasonable men the world over know this truth. UN be damned. ICJ be damned. Geneva be damned.
Hey cockroach What part of THIS SITE IS RUN BY TWO JEWS do you not get? Try your "anti-semitism" mynah bird routine someplace else.
will never be a palestinian state in the land of israel
State and Land
get over yourself Jake, Sin and I destroyed your USS Liberty conspiracy theory and now you're sour about it. I understand, but you need to move on dude. There are many ancient cities that happen to exist, but none of them belong to any "people". They have become the property of the territory in which they reside. Heron happens to be in the West Bank, whcih is Palestinian land. Maybe the Arabs enthnically cleansed Jews from Heron in 1920's, but Israel ethnically cleansed 800,000 Arabs from Israel in 1948. If you want to give Hebron back to Israel, then Israel has to let the refugees (who lived there for centuries) return to Israel. Deal?
There are only two types of israelis. "Traitors" like Ilan Pappe, and scum from the sewer like most of the rest of the country. God bless Israel's traitors!
Again using the cockroach term, first it was for the "Bad Jewish settlers" now it's the "bad Jews" either way it's dehumanization
Gerlad Kaufman is a Holocaust survivor, who sent money to the Israeli founder to held create Israel. He has been friends with nearly all the Israeli PM's, including Ben Gurion. He is a true supporter fo Israel.
Please link to all the web sits that calls Jews cockroaches, snakes, bots etc. You were referred to a bot for repeating the same lines over and over again, like a robot. That comment was not made about Jews, it was made about you.
Lovelyisraelis is just about the most anti-semetic character on this website. I'm not saying everyone is but I see him, thom and american are obviously. Pappe is universally hated in Israel Again we see dehumanization of the "bad Jews" last time cockroaches and bots, this time scum from the sewer
Not British nor UN, but our natural right to our aboriginal homeland gives us the right. Nobody can stop that.
Yes I respect all people, all religions, and all ethnicities. You haven't provided a SINGLE factual references in DOZENS of postings Jake. Just wingnut conspiracy theories that went up in smoke.
Geneva be damned
No, Judea and Samaria belongs neither to the Jews, nor Israel. Hebron belongs neither to the Jews, nor Israel. There will be a Palestinian State very soon. I know you don't ant one Jake, but you are an extremist and part of a fringe minority. Javier Solana is calling for the immediate recognition of a Palestinians State.
No deal
let me rephrase that. There is such a thing as Jewish people. There is no such thing as "the Jews". Hebron is in the West Bank. No state in the world recognizes Judea. "UN be damned. ICJ be damned. Geneva be damned." Damn them all you like, they call the shots and they are the only bodies and treaties that can bestow legitimacy. if you want to Damn the UN, then you are damning Israel. Shame on you. I knew you didn't really love Israel.
That's true. There is no land of Israel, so clearly there will will never be a Palestinian state in the land of Israel. There will however be a Palestinian state in Palestine.
No state only.
Yes I agree. Lovelyisraelis is an anti Semite. Thom is a Zionist. Pappe is a universally respected historian.
No not at all Jake. All Israeli politicians are morons, but Ben Ami happens to be an honest and truthful moron. Yes i rely on them, as does the rest of the world. Soon you too will discoverer the earth is not flat.
Pappe is a universally disputed historian. We do have agreement on lovelyisraelis
There is a land of Israel, there is no palestine. Just a Roman contraption
state and land
There is such a thing as Jewish land, Jews have the highest legal claim to Hebron, Jerusalem and Beit El
Geneva was the accord under which the Nazi's were condemned. I knew you were an extremist Eitan. I never took you to be a Nazi supporter.
Fine, then Hebron remains the territory of Palestine. Done.
No, Hebron lies outside of Israel's border.
Hebron is inside the border of the land of Israel
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, but widely respected throughout the world.
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world.
No there is no "land" of anything Eitan. You wont find any land of anyone on a map, but you will find many states. There is Palestinian land, which is the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem and it is recognized as such by the international community.
There has never been a legal claim made to Hebron. jews might onw property there, but Israel has no right to it. The same goes for East Pappe and Beit El.
International community is scared of Arabs. Everyone knows the land is Jewish. Why don't you go save Tibet? Why don't you go save the arabs of Iran, Why don't you save the falklands from the british? Why? because it's easier to pick on Jews, Why don't you free the Tamils? Why dont you free the islamics in the philipines, why dont you free kashmir, why don't you free chechnia? Why? because it's easier to pick on Jews in our native homeland, why don't you care about american indian? What about the natives of Chile, nope, not Jews, don't care, What about Darfur? What about xuigars, what about maronites? What about coptics? What about Bahai in Iran? What? not Jews? Don't care
Theodor as the most senior legal legal counsel on matters of interntaional law at the time. The Supreme Court agreed with his findings, so your argument is lost either way. Unless you come up with a ruling by the Israeli Supreme Court, the ICJ or the UN, then your claim that "He was wrong" is just hot air. Palestine doen not have to be a State for the the West Bank and Gaza to be considered territories. Under international law, "territory" means "area of land" belonging to a population which is now government by the internationally recognized Palestinian Authority. Of course, there is no way to deny that Jordan was the rightful authority over the West Bank and never gave up claims. It refused to accept it under the conditions laid down. Until recently, when Israel began using he term "disputed territory ", Israel referred to the occupied territory as occupied territory, so this is a clear admission. So no. Israelis cannot build there without the permission of the PA. Doing do violates the 4th GC. Theodor was right and the agreement of the Israeli Supreme Court proves it.
shingo as I'm jewish, I hope you'll at least do me the honor of using the proper Zionazi epithet–'self-hating Jew.' thanks in advance ..lovelyisraelis
IDF is the most brutal and inhumane army in the world.
If your aboriginal homeland gives us the right, then North America woudl belong to the North American Indians. The aboriginal population of Palestine are the Palestinians. They are the descendants of the Judeans, who converted to Islam. You and most Jews are merely converts to the religion of Judaism.
There is no land of Israel.
The IDF is the most distinguished and humane army in the world
There is a land of Israel. There is no Palestine
Correct North America does belong to North American Indians. The aboriginal population of Israel are the Jews . They are the descendants of the Judeans, who never converted
If you look at a map, you will find that Hebron is outside of the the border of the state of Israel. There is no such thing as "the land of Israel".
Like people, sometimes maps can be wrong. Also like people, sometimes maps can be right.
No, the international community is not scared of Arabs at all. in fact, are recent poll showed that the Israel and Iran are considered the greatest threat to international peace, and neither is an Arab state. None of the international community regards the occupied territories as Jewish land. In fact, the British, who are friends of Israel, recently banned an Israeli tourism add which tried to suggest that these territories were part of Israel. The Arabs of Iran are fine. They have homes. We are not talking about the Falklands, but I agree they belong to Argentina. No one is picking on Jews. We are scrutinizing Israel for it's 40 year occupation. and 60 years of enthnic cleansing. We are not talking about the Tamils, or teh Phlipines, Kasmir, Chechnya, American Indians, or the natives of Chile. You want us to change the subject don't you Eitan? Why did you participate in this debate?
No state only.
The international community is scared of Arabs. Judea and Samaria is Jewish land. The Arabs of Iran are oppressed. Their land is occupied by Persians. Agreed Falklands belong to Argentina. You are right, you are picking on Jews. This isn't a debate, this is a radical leftist circle-jerk
Pappe is disputed only by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world by Israeli Zionists only.
State and Land
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world.
Pappe is disputed only by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world by Israeli Zionists only.
I take that back lovelyisraelis, but your inflammatory rhetoric isn't contributing to the debate. I'm Jewish too BTW.
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world.
Pappe is disputed only by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world by Israeli Zionists only.
No, the international community is not scared of Arabs at all. in fact, are recent poll showed that the Israel and Iran are considered the greatest threat to international peace, and neither is an Arab state. Judea and Samaria is not Jewish land. As Richard has explained to you,, there is no such thing as Jewish land. The Persians have always been in Iran and did not remove a population to make room for their own. No one is picking on Jews. Israel is a state. If this is a radical leftist circle-jerk, you are leading it. Give your right arm a rest.
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world.
International community is scared of Arabs. Judea and Samaria is Jewish land. The Persians are occupying Arabian Gulf land Israel is the Jewish state I'm not a radical leftist
No, the international community is not scared of Arabs at all. in fact, are recent poll showed that the Israel and Iran are considered the greatest threat to international peace, and neither is an Arab state. Judea and Samaria is not Jewish land. As Richard has explained to you,, there is no such thing as Jewish land. The Persians have always been in Iran and did not remove a population to make room for their own. Israel is trying to become a Jewish State, but seeing as 20%of the population is not Jewish, it is not a Jewish state. If this is a radical leftist circle-jerk, you are participating in it.
No state only.
State and Land
Pappe is disputed only by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world by Israeli Zionists only. He is acclaimed universally.
Pappe is disputed by Israeli Zionists, and widely criticized throughout the world. He is despised universally.
Oops my mistake. Should be State only.
International community is scared of Arabs. Judea and Samaria is Jewish land. The Persians are occupying Arabian Gulf land Israel is the Jewish state I'm not a radical leftist
Haha State and Land!
State and Land
The IDF commit war crimes adn crimes against humanity and are among teh most criminal in the world. The IDF are also cowards. They are happy to sit in tanks and airline cockpits or shoot at unarmed palestinians, but when they come up against a real opponent, like Hezbollah, they are easily defeated or run away.
IDF is the most moral army in the world. The Arab terror groups are cowards. Hiding in their mothers skirts and attacking from hospitals and UN compounds.
"Correct North America does belong to North American Indians." But it doesn't "The aboriginal population of Israel are the Jews . " No because there were people there long before the Jews arrived from Iraq. The Judeans who remained in Palestine after the Romans converted to Islam. This has been proven by DNA tests. Most Jews are Europeans who converted to Judaism.
There is no land of Israel. You will never find it on a map. You wll however, find maps of Palestine and soon, there will be a Palestinian state.
Shingo, American Indians have the right to their native land. Shingo those people are dead. The native population are Jews. Who cares if they converted. They forfeight. IE Fail. Antisemetic statement that most Jews are european converts. Skinhead canard
There is a Land of Israel. Maps are made by men. There will never be a Palestinian state