Rep. Steny Hoyer meets with Israeli President Shimon Peres. (Photo democraticleader.house.gov)
Mike Huckabee is not the only American politician to go to Israel and anger Palestinians this week.
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) is leading a 29-member Democratic delegation on an AIPAC-sponsored tour of Israel. The junket follows the same itinerary as last week’s 25-member Republican House group led by Minority Whip Eric Cantor.
During the trip, Hoyer made a number of provocative statements which are at odds with the Obama administration’s current policy, although he did not criticize the President directly. The Majority Leader opined that the Palestinians were to blame for the stalled peace process because the U.S-designated Palestinian negotiation partner, Mahmoud Abbas, has wrongly insisted on Israeli compliance with a settlement freeze as a pre-condition for starting negotiations.
Hoyer also echoed Israeli Prime Minister’s Binyamin Netanyahu’s position that the so-called "natural growth" construction, which means expansion of the existing settlements, should be permissable. This is in direct contradiction to what is the current stated U.S. policy.
According to the Palestinian Ma’an News Agency, Hoyer expressed sympathy for the Israeli desire to build in East Jerusalem stating that, "I personally perceive Jerusalem as a unified city. I continue to view it as a unified city." President Obama made similar statements about Jerusalem when as a Presidential candidate he appeared before an annual AIPAC convention. He later qualified his statements and his current policy would seem to indicate that he no longer holds that view.
In addition Ma’an News reports that Hoyer and Rep. Betsy Markey (D-CO) indicated that they supported Netanyahu’s demand that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a Jewish state. The Palestinians are opposed to this because many feel that the idea of a Jewish state is necessarily prejudical to the Palestinian minority within Israel. They also worry that such recognition would be used by Israel to argue against the future repatriation of Palestinian refugees. The Palestinian Authority has already recognized the state of Israel. Also, Jordan and Egypt were not asked to recognize Israel as a Jewish state as a condition for signing peace treaties. The Israeli government demand for recognition of Israel as a Jewish state is widely perceived as a tactic to delay peace negotiations
Hoyer’s trip reminds us that obeisance to Israel is a bipartisan obsession in American politics. In the final analysis powerful Democrats like Hoyer, who have been feeding at AIPAC’s trough for decades, may present a greater obstacle than Republicans to the Obama/Mitchell peace plans.
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Or that J Street has its work cut out for it to convince Congress that the predominance of Jewish votes and Jewish money cares more for peace than for expansion.
How is J Street to do that when the predomonance of Jewish money cares more for expansion than peace?
It’s no secret that Hoyer was picked for his position as majority leder, by AIPAC. He’s now doing what he was paid to do.
The Republicans are gambling on a 100% APIAC allegiance to take back the House in 2010 and possibly the WH in 2012. J Street is growing, but it doesn’t have the power to go head to head with AIPAC.
Brit Tzedek Shalom attempts to style itself as a counterweight to AIPAC, but it was BTS that pushed, hard, on the notion that the administration is now hawking; namely, that the Arab states should “show good faith” and grant concessions to Israel as confidence-builders.
These concessions equal what most others would call the whole ball of wax: embassies, unrestricted travel re visas, flyover rights, trade relations. Egypt is (appropriately) wary, insisting that concessions should come AFTER a deal, not before.
So two thoughts here: BTS is just as chutzpah-driven as AIPAC, and Israel is once again demanding desert before it eats its liver.
And as we all know, once it has BTS and AIPAC-enabled blintzes in its mouth, Israel will refuse to eat the liver.
The Republican party has come to represent the force of evil for me – imo Bush’s presidency endangered the existence of this country and all in it as no other has before (an uneducated and emotional response, I know.)
I think a key element in questions about our political system in the US is that the number of Congressional representatives remains fixed, rather than increasing as the population has grown.
If you consider evil to be a state of complete negativity, purposeful cruelty and being morally reprehensible, then I would consider pretty much the whole elite class of the United States to be evil. I would say that definition of evil fits the elites of the media, finance, politics, military, culture, etc. at present. I have no faith in the brains or integrity of the figureheads of the nation, and if there are people making decisions behind the scenes, then they surely have to be considered enemies of the citizens. I don’t see a reason to give the Democrats a pass.
When you asked me how I view the nation in a previous thread, I purposely left my thoughts on the evil nature of our rulers out because I think it sounds a bit corny. I still think the term evil fits, and I also believe that there is not a thing that can be done about the situation, other than watch the system apart.
In the past I’ve supported the Democrats. I no longer have the confidence I felt then. I don’t understand why what seemed so stable previously no longer does, and hope that events will make that more clear. Several things do seem clear – that religious fundamentalism of whatever variety is a potent and dangerous force, and that the Republicans were willing to use it opportunistically, both as a base of support and as something to objectify as an enemy.
It seems that our political system can be manipulated easily. I think it would be less susceptible to manipulation if there were a larger number of representatives. Whether it is possible to achieve a change in representation and whether that would make a difference, I don’t know. But I’m not ready to condemn a group of individuals as all being evil – and in describing the Republican Party in that way, I was thinking of it as a political entity to which affiliation is not fixed.
Witty, did you word your comment correctly? You seem to be saying that J-street is going to have a hard time convincing Congress that Jews care more about peace than expansion. This implies that Jews care more about expansion than anything else. I must say this doesn’t sound like an argument you would typically make.
Pertaining to may present a greater obstacle than Republicans to the Obama/Mitchell peace plans. we should fully expect these Democrats joining the Republicans should that day arrive when Israel forces Obama to cut funding. I am sure this is a battle that Obama hopes doesn’t occur, but he has drawn a line that if Israel defies too openly, he may have no choice.
A Jewish state? Maybe all those Russians who claim that their grandfathers were Jews should be sent back somewhere. Since when did having a “purported” Jewish grandfather make someone a Jew. Where’s the Jewish Mommy to load up the guilt and specialness.
Furthermore, I take issue with the entire concept of recognition of a state (Jewish or otherwise). This is nothing more than pure unvarnished horsesh-t. Israel exists or it doesn’t, quite simple really. The recognition is only another stalling tactic in which Israel excels and has an amazing arsenal.
A couple of years ago I saw Hoyer at AIPAC (on C-SPAN). I thought there couldn’t possibly be a more sickening, groveling opportunist in existence. Then I saw Biden at AIPAC the next year. He made Hoyer look like a statesman. To bad Olbermann doesn’t do a worse worser skit on this topic.
As for the significance of this, remember that Congress rightly has far worse approval ratings than Obama. He could roll them on this issue. If he wants to, that is.
Olberman would not even think of it. Hoyer is a panderer, but the absolute funniest moment was at AIPAC this year when the person introducing Biden says to the crowd of thousands, ” Joe says you don’t have to be Jewish to be a Zionist”. When you see Joe make that pandering statement to some Zionist in front a a cheap microphone, he knows he is being a back-room butt-kisser. Then they reiterate it to the thousands at the 2009 AIPAC conference. What an totally awesome senator/vp we’ve got!
Perhaps the Israeli leadership would like bombings of their government buildings in Tel Aviv during the negotiation process? No? Neither do the Palestinians appreciate bad faith negotiations by more land theft during the negotiations.
They incite the Palestinians to react with violence, so in turn they can use one reactionary act to say the Palestinians are terrorists. Who needs peace when you can continue to occupy and gain land for free. What’s more important Palestinian solidarity, or fresh water for settlers swimming pools?
RE: “Hoyer made a number of provocative statements which are at odds with the Obama administration’s current policy…”
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…Never underestimate a woodchuck in sheep’s clothing. :=
“House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer was the driving force behind a bill — written by GOP Sen. Kit Bond — to vest the President with vast new warrantless eavesdropping powers and to vest lawbreaking telecoms with amnesty.”
I don’t mean to post this as any excuse for Hoyer, because no matter how you look at it the bill was reprehensible. I suppose you do know that Obama voted for that bill?
don’t Israeli communications groups have a major stake in telecoms that operate in the US and that are at the hub of much of US wireless & internet communication, as well as validation for credit card transactions?
Aaaahh, Israel’s lovely, lovely friends… Like a junkie looking for a fix, anything on two legs and breathing that supports the Usurpers gets a pat on the back and a tour of Yad Vashem.
We have a financial crisis in this country and a health care disaster looming.
I want to know why our congressmen are in a foreign country and not in their districts meeting constituents. I hope they have to answer this question when they get home.
The other question that needs to be answered is why Rahm Emanuel doesn’t have more pull with Hoyer, or does Hoyer represent Obama’s position?
Aipac Rosen espionage …9 time delayed trial dismissed. The MSM never never touched this story. Well Maddow did a report that was basically mocking the importance of this investigation and nine time delayed trial.
the pounding of Charles Freeman by the I lobby, the continued total blackout of what is taking place in the Gaza on the MSM and Sunday news programs. the endless repetition of unsubstantiated claims about Iran that get repeated in our MSM and go unchallenged.
Not much has changed….and Israel continues to beat the drums of war towards Iran
This program was a bit of breakthrough on the MSM long long overdue
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2009/generation.islam/
Kathleen,
your post reads like a hip-hop song
which makes me think
is there a war of ideas in the Middle East
or just a small skirmish
a really
tiny one
like they’re doing now
with the health plan?
In the end the big insurance companies will rule
same as the big bankers.
I dig Kathleen’s grove more, not so pessimistic.
honored to have my thoughts reading like a “hip hop song”
As Americans are mostly focused on their own welfare and health care. The Iraqi people are still burying their hundreds of thousands of dead as a direct result of our illegal invasion. But little to no concern expressed by Americans about the piles of their bodies, heart and minds…the Obama administration tell us “move on, turn the page, next chapter” Many of the Democrats still beat up by the radical Republicans during the last administration have accepted the distracting language having to do with some of us calling for ACCOUNTABILITY. Just when did holding those responsible for very serious crimes start being defined as “vengeance, retribution, witch hunts” instead of what it is JUSTICE AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
Those who lied our nation into an unnecessary war in Iraq began manufacturing consent for a pre-emptive attack on Iran by Israel with the U.S. pulling up the rear.
Ledeen, Gaffney, Bolton, Bill Kristol have been very busy repeating the unsubstantiated claims about an alleged Iranian nuclear weapons program. Even though the former head of the Iaea El Baradei and the present head of the Iaea have said that there is no hard evidence to back up these endlessly repeated claims.
Hillary Clinton, Bill Kristol, McCain, Sarah Palin, etc repeat these claims on the MSM and not one not one MSM talking head (David Gregory, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews) challenges these claims.
Next Stop Iran if Israel and those who support Israel’s National Security more than they are concerned about the U.S.’s National Security have their way
American neocons, WMD Intelligence, and Israel: the Forbidden Topic
We are starting to see burgeoning reports that Lewis Libby’s now infamous July 10 call to Tim Russert was made in order for Libby to complain to Russert about MSNBC’s Chris Matthews’s anti-war commentaries, and specifically to complain that at least some of Matthews’ beliefs, and his mere use of the term “neocon,” were anti-Semitic. Libby apparently believed this — or at least said he believed this — because Matthews was openly questioning whether one of the motivations for the war was a desire on the part of the “neo-cons” to bolster the security of Israel by ridding the world of one of Israel’s most threatening menaces, Saddam Hussein.
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/american-neocons-wmd-intelligence-and.html
The true face of Christian Zionism.
Teabagger Yells ‘Heil Hitler’ To Jewish Man at Las Vegas Town Hall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVS4Zgjm8HE&eurl
Why does anyone care what an Israeli has to say about anything? Who is he to come to the United States and lecture us about health care when we are footing the bill for everything that happens in Israel? I couldn’t possibly care less what anyone calls him. He should have been run out of the hall! Instead morons want to insinuate that anyone who steps on his delicate feelings is an anti-Semite. Grow up!
Also, callling tax protesters “teabaggers” is really disgusting and immature! Is crude sexual innuendo supposed to pass for wit and intelligence? It just looks ignorant and hate-filled to me.
I get the impression from the man’s comments that he is an American, one who moved here from Israel decades ago. Also, while I generally find the “teabaggers” slur uncalled for, as the “heil Hitler” woman was exceedingly disgusting and immature I can’t rightly take issue with her being treated in kind.
Re: teabaggers – Oh, no! I’ll google it – I had the impression that I first heard the term used by someone who supported the tax protests.
Thanks, Todd, you made three important points that were completely missed by over 600 commenters on a major liberal blog. Three more:
~I found the Israeli man’s adulation of IDF repugnant; where’s the outrage at IDF using white phosphorus on civilian/children?
~His hysteria seemed feigned.
~The woman was wearing an IDF T-shirt, and there’s a possibility she’s Jewish.
All over the ‘nets liberals (read, leftist diaspora zionists), are uttering threats: “beat her til she’s a pool of blood they way we did in Boston….” “out her–blast her name & address all over the TV, make it impossible for her to get work, health care,” etc.
The reaction from the liberal blogosphere was truly disturbed and disturbing.
Get back to me when the Haredim stop calling the IDF and the Israeli police Nazis.
Jews get called “Hitler” all the time – by other Jews.
Yes this happens quite a bit potsherd, if it is introduced early on in disagreements it has a tendency to just dismiss everyone as the worst and block further discussion. I am considering not using it but have done so before, but even after long and protracted arguments it has become overused.
Actually, both the Christian Zionist American and the Israeli immigrant of 20 years, who is
clearly an American also, have interesting counter issues and neither are clearly wrong.
I have no problem with what the guy said about the differences between healthcare in Israel and in the United States because it’s true.
Who cares if he’s Israeli or a Zionist? That has zilch to do with the US healthcare system.
The IDF? I wouldn’t be surprised whatsoever if Israel has better military healthcare than the US. Is that glorifying the IDF? Hardly.
Slim, the point is the since Americans foot the bill for the system in Israel directly and indirectly, and unless an Israeli suggests that the United States completely cuts Israle off, then there is nothing to lecture us about. And why should an Israeli not have to pay for his medical treatment while in the U.S., as the man suggested?
I wouldn’t be surprised if U.S. representatives would foot the bill for better care for IDF forces than they would provide for U.S. soldiers. I live about an hour away from a major army base, and about a year into the Iraq war, many of the army wives were running into financial trouble because the military was dragging its feet on combat pay. I’ll never forget watching one of the MSM media channels do an awkward report on the protesting army wives, and then turn around and cover Ariel Sharon’s demands for an increase in aid to Israel-which was granted-as if Sharon’s mission were somehow heroic.
What’s your specific gripe about healthcare in the U.S.? And what system system do you believe is better?
I’m assuming the person in the video is an American citizen, you’re assuming he’s not which might account for some differences in our opinion.
But ultimately, I don’t think it matters if he’s from Mars–I think his critique of our healthcare is accurate. You’re focusing on the belief that he’s Israeli, I
am focusing on the accuracy of his statements and his critique.
Why? Our system is increasingly unaffordable, insurance premiums are skyrocketing, fewer people are covered, people are denied healthcare who don’t have insurance.
An example, me. I am on a Cobra policy which will expire in 6 months, and my present job pays no benefits. After Cobra runs out–which is $450/month–the only insurance available to me will be through a state high risk program at $1020/month. Why? because I am 57 and have high blood pressure, thus an “uninsurable”.
To some extent I am “fortunate” to live in one of the 30 or so states that have a high-risk pool. The others don’t.
In fact, I would guess that the majority of people my age will have some “pre-existing condition” which excludes them from coverage in the present system, i.e., the private market. It’s simple cherry-picking.
Since I cannot afford to pay over $12,000/yr in premiums, I will become uninsured. Fortunately, my state also has very generous bankruptcy exemptions, so my financial planning as I drift into senior citizenship will focus on making sure my house will be protected under bankruptcy laws.
Here’s a mouthful on the herd of congress people whisked off to Israel to send Obama
a huge signal to lay off the “settlements”:
http://intifada-palestine.com/2009/08/17/aipac-sends-in-the-clowns/
http://intifada-palestine.com/2009/08/17/aipac-sends-in-the-clowns/
Israel liberation Week
ZFA leader explains about his tour through northeast America “You can make Jewish rights cool, the way black rights, or animal rights, or womens rights are cool”
Video is on mid-page
Right, and let’s nuke David Duke?
Interesting revision of history: “Rome invaded OUR nation….”
The facts are that Jews mounted rebellions against Rome, which Rome first, contained, then suppressed/demolished.
These facts cannot be admitted because
1. Hasbara will not permit it: Hasbara posits that Israel is always right.
2. If it is acknowledged that Israel was the rebel/aggressor and Rome put down the rebellion (which is what imperial powers do, after all), then the concept used against Arabs in ersatz Israel, that ‘wars have consequences, especially when the aggressor loses,’ would have to apply to Israel just as surely.
These ZFA kids are the next batch of neocons.
Someone in some comment on Mondoweiss said, “it’s 20 minutes til Krystallnacht.” ZFA is pushing the clock.
There is a rich mine of irony in this history, because the Zealots who rebelled against the Roman occupation were certainly terrorists. The idolization of Masada is nothing less than worship of terrorists who committed suicide rather than submit to foreign occupation.
History, who cares about history, when God allows you to do anything because your chosen to make the world better. He speaks of Jews being oppressed, but he really needed to replace Jew with Palestinians. I love how he says he’ll travel across campuses in NE United States arguing for Jonathan Pollard’s release. You and Borat can do a tour together.
That ZFA guy is such a clown! He’s so full of BS that he could hardly keep a straight face. And the Muzzain in the background made the clip.
The funny thing is that this moron really thinks that being chauvanistic and aggressive towards America in front of an American audience will fly. There are only so many Cubans, disaffected blacks and fifth-coulmn Jews to go around. Where does this guy get the idea that Americans want to dominate Israel?
When you get down to it, does it really make sense for Jews to have a nation of their own? If the Jewish nation has to be built on stolen land and supported by a fifth-column living abroad, aren’t Jews just setting themselves up for trouble–especially if they insist on being major players on the world stage? Israel could be rolled up in a heartbeat if the major powers decided to do so, and the diaspora probably would be a big target since there is an actual Jewish state that they can be tied to.
In the discussion of how you approach talking about what is going on in I-P, you face gross issues like this –
ISRAEL BLOCKADE CLAIMS 344 GAZA PATIENTS
It is horrible practices like this that tip the scale and causes some in certain instances to lose patience in this process. It is true to say that every moment means another life snuffed out by these practices, and these atrocities have gone on so long that it is suspect when some say “take it easy, take your time, we can eventually get this done.” Which means that one of two things are happening with a reply like this, either it is just total indifference or it is someone who supports these atrocities and has joined the principle of conquering through attrition.
“Palestinian sources say 344 patients have so far died post 22-day war against Gaza, because of a lack of medical supplies in the Gaza strip due to an Israeli siege.
The last “martyr of the Israeli siege”, according to Palestinian Ministry of Health, is 42 year-old Omar Ata Allah Al-Sha’er from Rafah city in the south of the Gaza Strip.
With the death of Al-Sha’er, the number of Palestinians to have died because of the Israeli siege imposed on the impoverished region since June 2007 now stands at 344.”
THE RIGHT TO RESIST
Is now a moral imperative, not a subject for debate.
“Margaret August 19, 2009 at 4:46 am
In the past I’ve supported the Democrats. I no longer have the confidence I felt then. I don’t understand why what seemed so stable previously no longer does, and hope that events will make that more clear. Several things do seem clear – that religious fundamentalism of whatever variety is a potent and dangerous force, and that the Republicans were willing to use it opportunistically, both as a base of support and as something to objectify as an enemy.
It seems that our political system can be manipulated easily. I think it would be less susceptible to manipulation if there were a larger number of representatives. Whether it is possible to achieve a change in representation and whether that would make a difference, I don’t know. But I’m not ready to condemn a group of individuals as all being evil – and in describing the Republican Party in that way, I was thinking of it as a political entity to which affiliation is not fixed. ”
I agree that our political system can be manipulated easily. However, I don’t see religious fanaticism as being worse than ideological or political fanaticism.
I also don’t condemn all members of the elite classes as evil. I see the elite influence and actions as clearly evil by the definition I gave. Since few from the elite classes openly rebel agiainst other elites, I would guess that our elite classes are filled with a few really evil people and a bunch of opportunists and cowards at best.
Good points, Psychopathic God. I think the Israeli guy was hamming it up just a little bit because he figured everyone would back down if a Jew appeared insulted. And I don’t believe that an Israeli just happened to be at the debate and was randomly picked to talk. What a joke! Is this what the United States has come to? Why would an Israeli (or any other foreigner) be covered under any national health care system, and why should their voices count in any debate about creating such a system?
For Margaret:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teabagging
And don’t take that the wrong way!
Todd – I read the Urban Dictionary listing for the term, but appreciate the Wiki link. It seems possible that the connotative meaning was the intended subtext of the sign. How interesting!
Regarding elites – individuals can be judged by their actions, with sufficient data. Kathleen raises the issue of accountability, which I agree needs to be a focus of attention. As V says, to resist is a moral imperative. How to do so effectively is where we are. We are part of an amorphous movement that resists the impunity claimed by the Israeli government. How do we resist the assertion of ‘might makes right’ by those who direct so much within our own nation? My experience is that if one can ask the right question at the right time, change follows.
As I was reading this post, I was reminded of Phil’s recent takeaway from reading Herzl’s diaries . . . Herzl spoke of a “river of gold” going to those who help realize Zionist dreams . . . Steny’s been riding a river of AIPAC gold for sure . . .
“pineywoodslim August 22, 2009 at 6:36 am
I’m assuming the person in the video is an American citizen, you’re assuming he’s not which might account for some differences in our opinion.
But ultimately, I don’t think it matters if he’s from Mars–I think his critique of our healthcare is accurate. You’re focusing on the belief that he’s Israeli, I
am focusing on the accuracy of his statements and his critique.
Why? Our system is increasingly unaffordable, insurance premiums are skyrocketing, fewer people are covered, people are denied healthcare who don’t have insurance.
An example, me. I am on a Cobra policy which will expire in 6 months, and my present job pays no benefits. After Cobra runs out–which is $450/month–the only insurance available to me will be through a state high risk program at $1020/month. Why? because I am 57 and have high blood pressure, thus an “uninsurable”.
To some extent I am “fortunate” to live in one of the 30 or so states that have a high-risk pool. The others don’t.
In fact, I would guess that the majority of people my age will have some “pre-existing condition” which excludes them from coverage in the present system, i.e., the private market. It’s simple cherry-picking.
Since I cannot afford to pay over $12,000/yr in premiums, I will become uninsured. Fortunately, my state also has very generous bankruptcy exemptions, so my financial planning as I drift into senior citizenship will focus on making sure my house will be protected under bankruptcy laws.”
Slim, I don’t think it matters whether the man was allowed to become a citizen or not. A comparison between the two systems doesn’t make sense, since Israel’s system/economy is propped by the American taxpayer. I personally don’t care what immigrants think of the nation, anyway.
I do wish you the best with your health. But I don’t know what people want when they talk of health care reform. Sure there is plenty of waste and fraud in every corner of American life, but I don’t blame it all on private industry, or a lack of regulation. Who doesn’t expect health care prices to rise when the nation allows untold millions of people who are unable to truly support themselves at U.S. standards to flood the nation–immigrants are given care, and often at ERs. Combine that with indigent care and medicare and medicaide, and prices are bound to rise, which will be reflected in rising insurance costs and higher taxes.
I think the system provides good care to most people, and does as well as can be expected. Besides the money doesn’t exist to provide the care that one gets from the private sector to everyone, and that is the case in the other advanced nations that I know of which have privatized systems– and not one (Israel included) is the size of the U.S.
I think that Americans should concentrate more on living a healthier lifestyle than anything else. Corruption, ideology and inefficiency aside, many health-related problems stem from a bad lifestyle, and covering those problems is reflected in my premiums.
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