Chris Varley sends along B'nai Brith Canada's ad on the back page of the first section of The National Post, Monday, November 9. He says he looked for the ad on the B'nai Brith website and the National Post's. Couldn't find it.
Note that there's no reference to Iran here, it's just all of radical Islam that wants to "annihilate" the Jews and "subjugate everyone else." Oh and they're fighting "racism."
This is the most amazingly hateful, racist advertisement I’ve ever seen published in a mainstream publication. And they’re asking for TAX-DEDUCTIBLE contributions for this sewage? They’re so right about one thing: We DO need to wake up from our slumber before it’s too late . . . the US and Canada are being dragged into the Clash of Civilizations . . . as we slumber.
I’m honestly not too worried about a “Clash of Civilizations.” Ultimately, both the US and Canada have been outmaneuvered by China — and really the rest of the world, on average. While we’ll be busy fiddling while our respective Romes burn, the rest of the world will be living in a future where the new generation of superpowers rise. And with the disastrous choices we’ve made, as a nation, we won’t be one of them.
It’s not unpatriotic to point out that our abused, de-funded (to make budgetary room for defense industry, “reconstruction” and mercenary contracts) over-extended war machine is at the breaking point, being kicked to death by the armchair generals at the Pentagon. No fancy toys or swank technology will do us any good if the morale of our army shatters, and we are doing nothing to come to the aid of our men and women in uniform. That’s the really sad part, for Americans — what we’ve done to destroy the bravest among us, in our cowardice.
Dennis Ross has that covered, Chaos; under his chairmanship of JPPPI (Jewish People Policy Planning Institute), one of the first papers published and first projects undertaken was greasing the wheels of an Israel-China alliance, inasmuch as, quoth Solomon Wald, author of the paper, “US superpower status is on the decline.”
In Israel lobby world, the US suckers are already being kicked to the curb. We’re broke; what further use are we? Even have the nerve to (timidly) resist starting another war with Iran.
By the way. . . Operation Cast Lead = Palestinian Kristallnacht.
No, what’s happening in the West Bank is Kristallnacht in slow motion. What happened in Gaza was Warsaw reincarnated.
I’m curious. Are the more recent images in the poster Palestinians or Iranians? Are they giving the Nazi salute or is that a different gesture?
Wouldn’t it have been amusing for this organization to dig up a picture of Charles Linbergh, or Henry Ford, or Prescott Bush with their Nazi friends? Or were those guys too white for the purposes of this propaganda ?
Yes, Elliot, it is 1938, and your country needs you. Off you go. I wish you and yours the best of luck. What? You’re not enlisting? Oh. I see. A trick knee. Well, I’m sure you’ll be there in spirit.
@ Marc B. – I demand to know how you found out about my knees!
It was difficult. Trick knees are a common congenital defect among chickenhawks.
Easy for me to say. “It wasn’t difficult”, might make more sense.
The ad is posted on their Facebook page, where you can leave comments:
link to facebook.com
They should have made note that many Palestinians are Christians, that the Palestinians are of Jewish descent, and perhaps mentioned the names of some Jewish collaborators from WW2, or maybe some present-day Israeli fascist sympathizers. Also annoyed to see the Mufti labeled as the “most famous and popular” Muslim leader; an outright lie.
These guys are a small minority, but they’re powerful; the Conservative government has given them money to set up a “National Task Force for Holocaust Education, Remembrance and Research”: link to facebook.com
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Just, wow
LOL! Is anyone else way too amused by the fact that Zionists are now pursuing the same anti-intellectual, “bash those pinko universities!” mantra that the anti-Semitic right wing has relied upon in years past? Talk about the victims becoming the aggressors. They make it sound like Open House on campus is a veritable Kristallnacht.
I can tell as a matter of fact that a lot of people are getting fed up with this nonsense on campus, it is really embarrassing. There are even campuses where students have told these freaks to stop “defending” them. The only thing they are doing is further alienating people, let me give you an example.
Back in March 28th the ZOA was trying to say University of California Irvine campus was antisemitic. You know, the classic nonsense of confounding Israel with all Jews, like there is no difference between criticizing Israel and classic antisemitism. It got so bad that it started to ruin the life of the Jewish students on campus. It is not that the students (in this instance) are not supporters of Israel, they are the Zionist enclave of the UCI campus, they call themselves the “Anteaters for Israel” (I will refrain from comment) “…I am a hard core Israel political activist, I am very Jewish, I would give up my life for Israel. I don’t know if they think I don’t care, but I do.” It is interesting that these “outside groups” are even in the process of alienating their supporters.
Even the students that were proposed as the objects of the so-called antisemitism do not agree with the accusations – “There’s been a lot of misinformation put out about what’s going on at our school,” said UCI student Isaac Yerushalmi, 21, president of Anteaters for Israel. “Unfortunately, there are organizations out there that are very passionate and concerned, but they don’t really know what’s going on.”
“In 2004, the Zionist Organization of America filed a civil-rights complaint with the U.S. Department of Education over reported incidents of Antisemitism on campus.
The federal agency reported in November that none of the 13 allegations raised could be substantiated and that there was “insufficient evidence” that the university failed to respond appropriately to complaints by Jewish students, and that most of the offensive speech that had been reported was opposing the policies of the state of Israel, and not hate speech.
The probe also found “no evidence that the University implemented a systematic discriminatory policy.”
JEWISH STUDENTS SAY IRVINE IS SAFE
(I called it Jewish Students Declare UCI Campus Kosher)
The simple fact of the matter is that all of the yelling, and all of the accusations of antisemitism will not cover up this –
WELCOME TO THE WARSAW GHETTO OF THE 21ST CENTURY
It is not just happening here, it is happening all over the world on campuses, we refuse this as our legacy. No one who really thinks through these issues wants to do aliyah in Israel. Most do not share the sentiments of the hard right in Israel, or the manifestation of it in the lobby (AIPAC), or the slow genocidal course against the Palestinian people no matter who is in power – left or right. Few accept any longer that Israel s at the top of the food chain, and that the diaspora are secondary – everyone has good lives they are not constantly harassed by antisemitic fanatics. So in the community here (USA), or in other parts of Europe people would just as well stay put – there are other ways of doing Jewish.
Of course, this does not mean that there is not support for Israel within reason – but it does mean that there is an immensely diverse Jewish community. The majority of the community does not agree with all that Israel does, the Zionist (if you could call them that, I think they are just common crooks and politicians, which means there is no difference) community is becoming isolated. The days of indiscriminate support are numbered, and the majority of the community in the world wants peace – righteous peace and prosperity, a real life. The cracks are becoming obvious among the hardliners, and if Israel does not want to go the way of the dinosaur it must change into the true democracy that it says it is swiftly, not in word only but in deed.
(Back in March 28th – 2008, was the year of the above)
But more and more politicians are lining up to run for Congress on a platform of ALL ISRAEL, ALL THE TIME. They will drag us all into a nuclear holocaust.
Flashbacks of the Warsaw Ghetto:
Gaza December 3rd, 2008
link to youtube.com
See, now, the advantage of being a digital arts student, is one can pay sharp attention to detail. Like, for instance, the rather simple title. I recognize it well — I’ve used it before, myself. It comes standard with iMovies, on every single modern Mac for several years now. That’s why the title persists for the whole video, with no customary fade out — iMovies is pretty rudimentary, and doesn’t allow complicated clip handling and editing. I only used it when I needed to put together a quick and dirty edit on a project while I couldn’t get access to the more sophisticated rigs in the campus video labs.
In short, any schmuck with a Mac could put any title they wanted on a video from anywhere in the world — and probably has, in this case. Maybe somebody who knows Arabic better than myself can confirm what’s on those posters, but even with them, this video could have easily come from the West Bank. If it’s anywhere in Palestine at all.
nice Chaos,
when in doubt, claim conspiracy!
Conspiracy? What do you mean? The video you directed us to was done by one solitary with stock footage and access to a Mac.
The video comes from an organization called Road90.
Road 90 is supposedly the longest road in Israel going from the North all the way down to Eliot in the South.
The purpose of the road90 organization is to showcase how beautiful Israel is etc and promote tourism.
Furthermore, the video was taken just a month before Operation Cast Lead was initiated.
Finally, as someone whose been to Gaza, and can confirm, virtually all of the footage was taken in the best parts of Gaza city. In fact they hardly even moved a few meters from each position.
In essence, the video title “Daily Life in Gaza” is incredibly misleading, and rather incorrect.
Daily life in Gaza involves waiting in line for food rations, watching your kids die because they can’t receive medical equipment due to a brutal embargo, kids loitering around because educational facilities have deteriorated, and people drinking the dirtiest water imaginable due to Israeli bombing raids on water and sanitation facilities.
Daily Life in Gaza for lack of a better term: Sucks. And it is largely Israels fault, as occupier, and enforcer of the siege.
These people who whined ( sarcasm alert) about conditions in Warsaw Ghetto and other ghettos, should re-educate themselves:
“Polish Jewish newspapers from the early 1940s list the plays performed in the Warsaw ghetto. Cultural reports and diaries by Jewish ghetto administrators describe entertainments in other ghettos like Vilna and Łódź. Photographs of “amusements for the ghetto elite” photographed by German army reporters may be useful to researchers. Meanwhile, photos documenting Westerbork cabaret revues reveal props, scenery, and costumes; and diary entries and typed programs suggest the content of those revues. Cabaret critiques written in Theresienstadt survived the war, as did remnants of libretti, music, set designs and costume sketches from the ghetto’s cultural department. A secretly written opera libretto from Ravensbrück was published six decades after its creation by a prisoner who wrote in a cardboard packing crate, guarded by barracks’ mates. Arts scholars may examine these varied resources when researching theatre performance during the Holocaust.”
From
link to holocaustmusic.ort.org
Surely (yonira directed sarcasm alert) all this propaganda of alleged Jewish suffering in the ghettos (sarcasm alert) is pure anti-German lies if they did anything as normal as having culture.
What was the point again that you were making showing Palestinians walking the streets of their Ghetto?
Photographs of “amusements for the ghetto elite” photographed by German army reporters may be useful to researchers.
Look, you have to differentiate between facts and Nazi propaganda. There were different camps no doubt, but the one most used for propaganda was still a rather repressive place once the cameras had gone. I am actually wondering, if you have Theresienstadt and Nazi propaganda in mind.
Could we please respect the memory of the victims by not letting ourselves be tricked by Nazi propaganda. It doesn’t help a bit in our present discourse.
I can’t even finish reading your note. If you trust Nazi propaganda then what’s wrong with the above?
LeaNder,
The website Eva linked to is not a Nazi propaganda site. It is a site with info about “Music and the Holocaust”. Her point was that, despite the terrible conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto, culture did go on. It was made to refute yonira’s illogical assumption that there is culture in Gaza, therefore Gaza must not be suffering. I think you need to read again, as you missed the point, the meaning, and the intent of the post.
And you should probably read the info at the link. It isn’t at all saying what you assume it is.
Look tree, I already know probably more about the subject than Eva will ever want to, honestly.
This makes me really sick. From my point of view Eva is borderline, maybe not intelligent enough to deal with contradictions and paradoxes.
all this propaganda of alleged Jewish suffering in the ghettos (sarcasm alert) is pure anti-German lies if they did anything as normal as having culture.
Your anger should be directed at yonira, who tried to imply that because Gaza has culture that it is not suffering. Eva was merely parroting back yonira’s propaganda by applying it to the Warsaw Ghetto to prove how illogical and bigoted yonira’s point was. You seem to be borderline yourself in not understanding the sarcasm of the statement. Perhaps we can chalk it up to English not being your first language?
tree is correct. It was yonira who introduced the comparison of the Warsaw ghetto with Gaza, and Eva’s post is refuting her simplistic and idiotic point.
are you fucking kidding me? I refute the comparison ever attempt I can. I was mocking the comparison, just like a mock you guys for being so disconnected from reality.
Gaza sucks, the blockade sucks, they deserve much better, but any comparison to Warsaw is ridiculous.
And you “refute” it by using the same tactics that Nazi propagandist used to imply that things weren’t so bad in the Warsaw Ghetto. That was Eva’s point.
Leander,
Let me amend my statement:
Surely (yonira directed sarcasm alert) all this propaganda of alleged ( sarcasm alert) Jewish suffering in the ghettos (sarcasm alert) is pure anti-German(sarcasm alert) lies if they did anything as normal ( italics to indicate irony ) as having culture.
I am deliberately inserting ( ) into my statements so that the parts of sentences cannot be taken out of context and misunderstood. I am sorry that you misunderstood intentions of my comment.
I was making the point that there is something heroic and superhuman in ability of people to continue to create semblance of normality in the most oppressive and harsh circumstances imaginable. And that using that amazing ability to negate or dismiss human suffering is unconscionable.
Where we differ is in our acceptance of the extend of similarities between Gaza and Warsaw Ghetto. You look at it from the prism of knowledge of what happened all the way to liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto, I look at the prism of distressingly similar parallel trajectories leading to known outcome for Warsaw Ghetto and as yet unknown outcome for Gaza.
OK, sorry Eva, I can see your point in context. But I am still allergic to this comparisons, no matter how quick they come to mind. And yes the musicians felt a bit misused for a cheap point.
It would have been more efficient had you addressed yonira’s youtube link directly. Typical images from Gaza in December 2008? Is this what you want to tell us? Don’t you think there is something missing?
But strictly I didn’t watch the youtube video to the end either. I may do now.
But yes, I didn’t pay much attention to the comments. I simply don’t have much time. Your comment caught me attention, maybe since it showed up on the right. Accept my excuses, but please understand I am not a fan of easy comparisons between Israel and the Nazis beyond “state of denial”, and perception management, which on the other hand is a tool used rather frequently in our times too.
VR,
Here is a tip, if you are going to distort the truth and misquote people, its not a good idea to give a link to the article which proves you’re full of shit, in the same post :)
Feeling the hate @ UCI
link to youtube.com
LOL! You consider that hate speech?! Good God have you been sheltered if you consider “Judiasm, yes! Zionism, no!” to be anti-Semitism. Better hope you never run into a real life anti-Semite, yonira — they’ll eat a delicate flower like you alive.
So you don’t have problem w/ a guy preaching martyrdom in front of students?
This courageous Palestinian lady does:
link to youtube.com
You’re ignoring what I said. You framed this as hate speech. You lied.
Do you have a problem with American Jews preaching military assaults, land and resource theft, and unequal rights, yonira?
It seemed pretty hateful to me,
That’s because you hate anything having to do with Palestinians.
Well yonira, they will have to read the article for themselves won’t they? Than they can call you what you truly are – than again, I think people are already aware of you’re ideological persuasion. Secondly, I think it is a bit presumptuous of you to tell me what is going on in my own town. The campus is right down the street from me, I have personally talked to many people involved in this debacle. Unfortunately you are at a disadvantage, because you have no idea of who I am or where I live, and secondly because you display hubris beyond your station :)
in all honesty VR, do you think the speech i posted is productive? haven’t there been enough martyrs already?
Flip the mirror — is the Zionist Jewish lobby productive? I mean, they did bring us Joe Lieberman and boy, hasn’t be been a boon to health care reform and other vital platforms of the Democratic Party, right?
The Mufti was not an elected leader. He was appointed by the British. But after the Arab Riots, the British wanted to jail him, and he fled to Berlin because the Germans offered him sanctuary. It was a marriage de convénance. The Zionists also offered to enter WWII on the Nazis’ side, but they were turned down. The Mufti can’t be demonized for what Jewish groups also tried to do.
Can’t I demonize both groups?
While I am demonizing, that poster is bullshit. B’nai Brith s hould be ashamed.
Or, in a nutshell yonira “balance?” Tell us about balance yonira…lol
“BALANCE”
Can you? You haven’t demonstrated the capacity, as yet.
Hasbara Buster stretches truth until it is a lie. “The Zionists also offered to enter WWII on the Nazis’ side, but they were turned down.” This obviously refers to the Avraham (Yair) Stern offer of November 1941. He did not represent the Zionists but only a small group when he made this offer. To take Yair Stern’s offer as “the zionists offer” is a lie.
“To take Yair Stern’s offer as “the zionists offer” is a lie….” and to present the Mufti as representative of all or the majority of Palestinians is likewise.
The Stern gang was a relatively small group whose leader after Stern, Yitzhak Shamir, was later elected prime minister of Israel and then represented pretty much all the Zionists.
The Palestine Arab Party, the Mufti’s party, may have been bigger than the Stern gang, but when he tried to exhort an uprising against the British in Palestine during WWII he got less support for it than the Stern gang. With the Mufti in exile, the local leadership inside Palestine made no attempt to form an alliance with Germany.
So let me get this straight. One Palestinian gets a photo with Hitler and you condemn the entire Palestinian nation. One Zionist offers actual support to the Nazis… and different rules apply. Because he’s Jewish. Huh.
Should the Palestinians suffer for the Mufti’s sins?
I agree that the Palestinians should not suffer for the Mufti’s sins and to imply sins upon the heads of the Palestinian people or the Muslim world population is unjust and propaganda. But to compare his devotion to the Nazi cause and Avraham Stern’s offer of cooperation is stretching the truth to the point that it is a lie. And to compare Avraham Stern’s importance and compare it to the Mufti’s importance is again stretching the truth to the point that it is a lie.
There’s really no more proof that the Mufti was “devoted to the Nazi” cause than there is that Lehi was. Both offered cooperation in return for help in gaining independence from Britain. At the time of the offers the Mufti was exiled and in no position of power or influence within Palestine.
The Zionist offer of cooperation with the Nazis, which was made multiple times, was made not just by Stern, but was made by his group, Lehi, which continued to be an important Zionist terrorist organization until it was subsumed into the IDF. In other words, at the time of the offers, Stern’s (and Lehi’s) importance in Palestine was greater than the Mufti’s. Lehi went on, after Stern’s death in 1942, to assassinate Lord Moyne in 1944 and contributed to numerous terrorist acts against Arab civilians, including at Deir Yassin. Lehi was not banned by Israel as a group until they perpetrated the assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte in September 1948. Lehi had a great impact on what happened in the 40′s and to pretend otherwise is to ignore the truth.
I believe that you think you are being objective about this. However, your use of the terms “devotion to the Nazi cause”when referring to the Mufti, and your insistence, against history, that Lehi was a less importance force at the time than the exiled Mufti, betrays a bias on your part that you seem not to recognize.
Ridiculous assertion regarding Mufti- To say that there’s no more proof that the Mufti was “devoted to the Nazi” cause than Lehi is preposterous. He broadcast on behalf of the Nazis and organized volunteer units of Muslims in Bosnia.
Certainly,
There is a difference between a feeler (an “offer”), and ACTIVE and ongoing participation.
Are you daft, Tree?
Al-Husseini was undoubtedly a Nazi collaborator, and indeed broadcast Nazi propaganda in Arabic. There is also a famous photograph of the Mufti visiting a Bosnian Muslim SS unit (it was in my high school history book) but he certainly did not “organize” it. Bosnian and Albanian Muslims (then under Nazi-Ustase Croatian rule) joined the SS to fight Serbs (no saints either), not to liberate Palestine or kill Jews.
Al-Husseini’s role has been greatly exaggerated by Zionist propagandists in order to establish a Palestinian role in the “Final Solution” (due to inherent Arab/Muslim anti-Semitism), and frame the subsequent Palestinian struggle as a continuation of the Holocaust. Within Israel and among many Jews around the world, these lies have been so successful that many are convinced that reconciliation with the Palestinians is impossible because they are motivated by racial-religious hatred that knows no bounds or compromise. If the pathetically weak Palestinians are also associated – on a deep psychological level – with the former power of the Reich, a soon-to-be-nuclear Iran, and anti-Semites worldwide, even the citizens of a regional superpower, protected by the only remaining global superpower, will justify the shooting of a twelve-year-old with a rock or his 6-month-old baby sister.
There is some exageration of the importance of Al-Husseini’s relative power in the region. At the time of WW2, his influence was in a state of decline.
The significance of Al-Husseini is in connecting the dots. Prior to the rise of the nazi’s, Al-Husseini sought to exclude Jewish immigration to the region, more likely to preserve the weight of his prospective alliances and dominance, particularly to marginalize the Jewish role in Jerusalem (majority in 1930). When he actively alligned with fascism and naziism, it described to Jews the willingness of those that adopted any anti-semitic sentiment, to join forces, ignoring that Hitler’s racialism would likely turn on Arabs later.
Jews in Israel have experienced a continuum of hatred. There was little basis of alliance between the Russian, Polish, Rumanian, Ukranian, Croatians, but they each adopted anti-semitism as a basis for key institutions to seek power. Similarly for naziism and later Stalinist Russia.
Experienced as a continuity of persecution.
Like I said in my original post. Zionists who collaborated with the Nazis get a free pass because it’s politically expedient. Watching Witty and WJ defend this must be as sickening for the other Jews here as it was for me watching OhioJoes and Michael LeFavour make excuses for the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
As usual, Richard is to busy basking in his persecution nostalgia that he misses the boat. The only “dot” to “connect” is between Zionism and anti-Jewish sentiment. The indigenous population of Palestine NEVER wanted to be subjugated by outsiders, regardless of the justification.
Richard, Lehi made repeated offers of active and ongoing participation and the only reason they were merely offers was because the Nazis ignored them. As Lehi continued to fight a terrorist war against Britain, Nazi Germany’s enemy, during WWII, there’s no reason to assume that Lehi wouldn’t have participated in coordinated violent efforts with Nazi Germany had they been asked to do so. The “ACTIVE” participation you mention from Husseini consisted of speeches made. Lehi’s offer, and its independent action, was much more detrimental to the British war effort against Nazi Germany than were Husseini’s propaganda speeches, especially since the Palestinians in Mandate Palestine made no attempt to organize anti-British actions during the War.
I’m not shocked either by what Husseini did or what Lehi did (or what the JA did earlier with the transfer agreement) because, despite being, in retrospect, big mistakes, they were both the result of opposition to British rule and a desire to look for strong allies among Britain’s enemies. But, again, there is nothing substantially different between the two sides on this, and to pretend so is to engage in double standards. Lehi (and political Zionism in general) and Nazi Germany shared a belief that Jews did not belong in Europe. To that extent, Lehi and political Zionism were “dedicated” to that shared Nazi cause. This is why the Zionist party was the only legal Jewish party allowed in Nazi Germany, and why the Nazis allowed the Zionists to set up training camps for Jewish recruits headed to Palestine.
Interesting info on Lehi, Stern and Yitzhak Shamir from Israel Shahak:
link to mepc.org
I see that no one has challenged my assertion that, contrary to WJ’s statement, Lehi was at the time of the offers, much more important to the chain of events that followed than was Husseini. That at least is obvious to everyone.
WJ,
“To say that there’s no more proof that the Mufti was “devoted to the Nazi” cause than Lehi is preposterous.”
There’s actually less proof.
Source, same as above:
link to mepc.org
I disagree. Both parties were out to make strategical alliances, to use the Germans to break the hold of the British on the Mandate territority.
To deny the essential similarity of their positions is … a lie.
potsherd,
I’m not quite sure who you are diagreeing with.
In case anyone in charge of the comments management software is reading this, I find the addition of the extra reply buttons less than helpful, as one can hit “reply” to a particular post but when the reply is posted it is not nested under the post being replied to, but just somewhere farther down the list of comments.
I recall seeing Al-Husseini mentioned at the Holocaust Memorial in Jerusalem, which I felt tarnished an important place with a cheap political trick.
tree – I was disagreeing with WJ
alec added the extra reply buttons, but without adding threading. I have been nagging management for better software, for precisely these reasons.
It might be all hype- but pre 1948 name one Palestinian more prominent than the Mufti. In fact in their entire history the two most prominent Palestinians are Arafat and the Mufti.
WJ, what about the Zionists who wanted to collaborate with the Nazis? There’s a pretty lengthy discussion of that up there. Did you miss it?
Izzedine Al-Qassam was far more popular than the Mufti ever was. In fact there are several other Palestinian leaders who like Al-Qassam are still remembered by the Palestinians til this day. Most Palestinians I know don’t even know who the Mufti is, neither do most Arabs, much less any Muslims.
Unfortunately, most of the Palestinian leadership was either killed by the British during the Arab revolts that took place during the 1936-39 period, or by the Zionists during the same period of time.
If you are referring to Yad Vashem, James, the whole place is a deeply offensive, cheap political trick – in its location (on Palestinian land, a short distance from Deir Yassin), content/layout (Al-Husseini, Zionism as the only answer, etc.) and use (indoctrination, required visits of foreign leaders, etc.).
So true:
“If the pathetically weak Palestinians are also associated – on a deep psychological level – with the former power of the Reich, a soon-to-be-nuclear Iran, and anti-Semites worldwide, even the citizens of a regional superpower, protected by the only remaining global superpower, will justify the shooting of a twelve-year-old with a rock or his 6-month-old baby sister.”
WJ-You need to read that book you told me you didn’t read yet: The Transfer Agreement. Dont read any version except the 1984 version. The Zionists were in up to their neck with the Nazis.
Oh the humanity
link to youtube.com
You should get a job with the Israel propaganda bureau yonira , support and deny. Tell us more yonira, or shall we just do a running record of your posts here?
What are you trying to prove, exactly? I mean, this video was posted in 2006. So this is what Gaza looked like before the ravages of the siege, bombings and white phosphorous. If you were trying to show just how hideous a crime Israel committed against an innocent, civil people… well, thanks, I guess.
link to english.aljazeera.net
“A series of controversial Israeli films are provoking outrage and plaudits in equal measure at the London Film Festival.
The best documentary award has gone to one of the year’s most controversial films.
Defamation is a polemic by Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. In his expose of America’s Anti-Defamation League (ADL), he claims anti-Semitism is being exaggerated for political purposes. He argues that American Jewish leaders travel around the world exploiting the memory of the Holocaust to silence criticism of Israel.
He gets inside the ADL, which claims to be the most powerful lobby group of its type anywhere in the world. With unprecedented access, he travels with them as they meet foreign leaders, and use the memory of the Holocaust to further their pro-Israeli agenda.
At one point, an ADL leader admits to Shamir that “we need to play on that guilt”.
Shamir says his film, Defamation, started out as a study of “the political games being played behind the term anti-Semitism”.
“It became more a film about perceptions and the way Jews and Israelis choose to see themselves and define themselves – a lot of the time unfortunately choosing the role of eternal victims as a way of life.”
Check out the trailer:
Thanks, it looks like a worthwhile film.
B’nai Brith forgot a few Rs: Racist, Reactionary, Repulsive, Ridiculous, etc.
(sarcasm alert) You lost me: now you know my family’s medical history AND my record of military service! Are you sure you got the right Elliot?
Looks to me from some googling that some Palestinians did adopt the Nazi salute.
Poor taste. But that’s as far as it goes.
Yes, and the Boy Scouts are built on the model of the Nazi brown shirts, salute and all, and? Unfortunately we have idiots like Dershowitz who pull “facts” from their posterior. In fact, if you look at his original use of this type of nonsense he does not condemn all of the Palestinians from the action of one man, but as things deteriorate and desperation arises he begins to use his broad brush in ridiculous strokes. The issue is that these nuts have no where else to go, and they are flailing about with all sorts of nonsense. Bottom line is this, there is no excuse for what Israel has done and is doing to the Palestinians – end of story.
sorry if the sarcasm went a bit over the top, if your comment is responsive to mine. the written word lacks the nuance and subtlety of spoken english.
No, I understood the sarcasm – what is funny about it is how bizarre it can get: Palestinians breath? So did the Nazis…etc.. lol
Its Hezbollah not any Palestinian faction that has adopted a salute that resembles one of the many Nazi salutes.
“Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, probably the most famous and popular leader in the Islamic world.”
A latently Islamaphobic ad. After this, how is it OK to bash Muslims and not Jews? “Probably the most famous and popular leader in the Islamic world” – the wording of that reveals that it was precisely crafted to imply that the majority of Muslims hold Amin al-Husseini, an allegedly “enthusiastic supporter of the Nazis,” with the highest regard. In actuality, the most famous and popular Islamic leader would be Muhammad (pbuh). I’ve asked around – family, Muslim friends, Muslim colleagues – and nobody that I know of has ever heard of Amin al-Husseini.
It’s ironic how propaganda like this can come from the same human rights preaching Jews that are responsible for every human rights abuse in Palestine and for every angry Muslim out there in the world.
Islamaphobia is the perfect tool for hasbara because you can take it as far as you like without consequence. It is perfect for keeping people afraid, because most people are ignorant. And, it keeps Palestinians oppressed – why lift the seige in Gaza, they’re just terrorists. Who’s going to care about a bunch of angry Muslims being offended? But call a spade a spade: the Jewish occupation of Palestine is apartheid – and watch as world Jewry seethes with rage at your “anti-semitism.” Well f**k you.
Yes, the occupation of Palestine is a Jewish one (not just Israeli). Israel demands recognition as a Jewish state. Zionism’s claim to Palestine is a Jewish one and based on Jewish scripture. Israel was “promised” to Jews. Israel’s raison d’être is for Jews. In Israel, you’re only accorded full rights if you’re a Jew. I’m sick of “progressive” Jews pinning the blame on the “right-wing.” It has nothing to do with being on the left or on the right, it has everything to do with being a Jew.
Reading that B’nai Brith poster upsets me. But, I can gladly say that I am still proud to be a Muslim. I would rather be a Muslim than a vicious and self-hating B’nai Brith Canadian Jew. You would have to hate yourself to hate others that much.
al-Husseini’s infamy is due almost entirely to Zionist campaigns of demonization. He would otherwise have been known only to historians.
al-Husseini’s alliance with Germany can best be explained by the principle that “the enemy of my enemy is my ally.” The nation of Finland also allied with Germany at the beginning of WWII, in order to oppose the Soviet invasion of their country. Yet you never see campaigns of vilification mounted against Finland or charges that Finns acted out of anti-Semitism. The world acknowledges that the Finns were caught between the rock and the anvil, left to choose between the bad and the worse.
But when it is an Arab making an alliance against the British/Zionist alliance to invade his country and create an alien state there, the guy must have had horns and a tail.
Yes, and when Zionists made, and attempted to make, similar alliances with Nazi Germany, the standards change again.
Is Darfur a Muslim issue then?
Is the Iraq War a Christian issue?
Why is Darfur an issue for you, do you not have enough on your Arab-hating plate as it is, hypocrite?
All suffering is an issue to me, I don’t like it at all. I hate the occupation and the settlements.
My point was, if Palestine is a Jewish issue, why isn’t Darfur a Muslim issue? I know it will be tough to answer that simple question, I don’t expect you to, but that’s all I was asking.
I accept the occupation sucks and what is happening in Gaza & the WB sucks, can you accept there is a problem in Darfur being perpetrated by Muslims?
And my point stands, too. A lot of the rhetoric for the War on Iraq was charged with Christian symbology — Bush called it a “crusade,” Erik Prince thinks of himself as one of the new Knights Templar, and the televangelists make all sort of hay out of it.
So, now is every conflict going to be framed in terms of religious war?
And yonira, for the record, it’s a Jewish issue because Zionism makes it a Jewish issue. Neither Sudan nor Palestine consider themselves Muslim in an exclusionary fashion, rather unlike Israel and Judaism.
It’s not at all tough for me to answer the Darfur question you posed, but why should I? Your response to my original post was to simply ask the question: “Is Darfur a Muslim issue then?” – did you respond to my points?
BTW, so generous of you to accept that the occupation sucks. But I believe it does more than suck – it has and continues to cost lives, livelihoods and everything that makes a person a human being. Did the holocaust suck?
Yonira, why don’t you take the smart ass Berkeley University students challenge? They said that were going to prove what I was saying was wrong about Darfur and what was taking place there, because they had this need to bash Muslims. When they came back they had massive egg on their faces, because they actually found out that what was posted was true –
WILL THE REAL DARFUR PLEASE STAND UP
Western Hegemonies writers will continue to “expose” the fighting, or the bare facts of atrocities, but never expose the elements behind the war(s) or the genocide. It is just “old animosities” that suddenly are supposed to explode. Or, as in the case of Darfur, it is merely “Muslims” rather than the power struggle engendered by natural resources and who will control them, or be the benefactor of the foreign investment or the largess for the resources.
Darfur is a club that Zionists use to bash their opponents for daring to criticize Israel’s human rights violations. If you see the word “Darfur” online, the overwhelming odds are that it is being used by some apologist for Israel as a deflective instrument.
Here, for example. yonira, you need to stop being so predictable.
I suggest that yonira make a generous contribution to Mondoweiss for all the help he’s getting here in honing his hasbara skills. Call it tuition.
I thought yonira was a “she”, but I’ll stand corrected if he/she informs us otherwise (maybe has. Didn’t see). Not that it makes such “arguments as yonira masters any more cogent. I agree that a contribution to Mondoweiss for excellent training course is in order. Maybe with a commission to you and tree and the other hard-working hasbara buster specialists (not to be confused with hasbara buster. Nice to see you here, BTW)?
Gender and the comment board. There’s a PhD thesis in there somewhere. I had yonira pegged for a he, but am more than willing to be corrected. There’s probably too much testosterone around here anyway (just a hunch). I still consider myself a newbie at Mondo, so feel free to divvy up my share of the imaginary commission money, THIS time. And it’s very nice to see you too.
Personally, I’m hoping yonira eventually finds the hasbara skills less and less meaningful to his/her way of life. And thanks for the kind words, but I’m sure I’m undeserving of any commission, imaginary or otherwise.
Danaa – I just realised that last comment was meant for HB. Sentiment still stands though. [place embarrassed emoticon here]
Not a problem Shmuel. I shamelessly accept all positive expressions anytime, and have been known to intercept a few myself. Besides, embarrassment is for the birds….and I have the same hunch as you re testosterone levels around here, the cyber version thereof. at least, both tree and i appear to be she-(wolves?), so there…
I am a boy damnit, Yoni is a pretty popular Israeli name. It was my name in Hebrew class. I’d make a pretty hot chick though.
BTW: The International Hasbara council (Yonira the president no? ) created a facebook group called “UN Goldstone Report Encourages Terrorism Against Democracies” www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=166089355847 This group is administrated by a certain Joel Leyden (link to israelnewsagency.com
who is paid by the IDF to improve the image of Israel and of course do some propaganda, the worst in this story is that he bans any user who oppose one of their ideas. He deleted the interesting questions asked by users and ban all of them.
Potsherd,
While the organized Jewish community’s embrace of the Darfur issue gets them beyond the Holocaust, it’s just too darned convenient for American Jews:
1. as has pointed out here, conveniently, the Arabs are cast as the villains.
2. the Blacks are our friends (Civil Rights, MLK and all that).
3. we don’t have to talk about Israel – the one issue where the U.S. Jewish community has real power.
And they can get Darfur’s water, discovered in 2007 to be the size of Lake Erie.