CNN asks, “Israel a rogue state?”

by Adam Horowitz on December 1, 2009 · 42 comments

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It’s from CNN International. Don’t worry, US audiences weren’t forced to grapple with such thought provoking reporting.

h/t to Pulse

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1 James December 1, 2009 at 11:43 pm

chicken shit international hey?

2 MRW December 2, 2009 at 12:05 am

Adam, Phil, did you notice this in HuffPo:

“Thomas Friedman — Hasbara GrandMaster Or Elitist Dupe?” by Sharmine Narwani
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sharmine-narwani/thomas-friedman—-hasbar_b_373843.html

3 Shmuel December 2, 2009 at 2:55 am

Great response. Thanks.

4 MRW December 2, 2009 at 7:59 am

That phucking putz (Friedman) was just on the Imus show pontificating that Obama gave a speech about nation-building in Afghanistan, and that he didn’t agree with Obama; he thought we should nation-build at home.

Of course, here is what Obama actually said last night: “That is why our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended – because the nation that I am most interested in building is our own.”

But the best part was this smug bastard admitted before he started talking to Imus that he didn’t read or hear the speech, but that’s the topic of his column today. He said he got the gist of it yesterday at the White House over lunch with Obama and a select group of reporters. He told Imus he picked up enough over lunch to write his column today.

5 America First December 2, 2009 at 8:35 am

Nation-building at home, that’s outrageous. Friedman has been one of the loudest cheerleaders for globalism (nation destroying).

6 Citizen December 2, 2009 at 9:08 am

Obama is Shub-Lite if you want to call sending an additional 30,000 young American s fresh from the farms, so to speak, to crush less than 100 Al-Quida operatives a surge
“lite.”

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/12/01/obamas-war-speech-an-unconvincing-flop/

In a few years we will need 100,000 more to occupy Pakistan; ever notice how long the border is between Iran and Afghanistan? And if we were to get that oil pipe line
we want there, wouldn’t that add to a strategy of backdoor to Iran?

7 America First December 2, 2009 at 9:43 am

Obama has no stomach for this fight

Obama’s Afghanistan strategy oozes with desperation not to be there – and the Taliban will bide their time until the exit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/dec/02/barack-obama-afghanistan-taliban

8 bob December 2, 2009 at 12:37 am

People in North Africa I talked to had no idea that CNN international wasn’t the same CNN shown in America. They watch that CNN, and wonder what I mean by how many Americans are completely ignorant of the problems with illegal settlers, Gaza, and the Israel/Palestine conflict. This is another anecdote I’ll recall to describe this in a juxtaposition with AIPAC Wolf Blitzer’s running commentary.

9 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 12:57 am

Yeah, I don’t think Ray Bradbury intended Fahrenheit 451 to be prophetic. But there it is.

10 Citizen December 2, 2009 at 2:22 am

It seems from this article that Jewish American media leaders think CNN Intl coverage of the I-P conflict is a simple business decision geared to satisfy the giant Arab TV market, and our local CNN coverage unfairly depicts Israel as equally culpable as the Palestinian terrorists:

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=80314

Apparently Wolf Blitzer feels he has to take trips to Israel to broadcast there and properly narrate and depict breaking I-P news events or specials because he actually thinks he can’t tell the truth locally that it’s all the Palestinians’ fault.

Talk about a media leadership with a huge mote in its eye–could it be any bigger?
.

11 Richard Witty December 2, 2009 at 4:43 am

Strong voices for reform, not for a single state.

12 VR December 2, 2009 at 5:21 am

Go to sleep Richard, there is nothing you can do to avert the impact of the truth.

13 Richard Witty December 2, 2009 at 5:44 am

Its morning, not night.

14 VR December 2, 2009 at 6:16 am

There is no morning for you Richard, you live in darkness

15 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 9:50 am

Just the useless truism we expect from you from time to time. I suppose it helps off-set the clumsy rhetoric and disguise the outright lies.

16 America First December 2, 2009 at 9:55 am

Time to go to work?

17 DICKERSON3870 December 2, 2009 at 5:28 am

RE: “It’s from CNN International. Don’t worry, US audiences weren’t forced to grapple with such thought provoking reporting.” – Adam Horowitz

MY COMMENT: I read somewhere recently that newspapers in the U.S. are written so as to be suitable for reading by an eighth grader. Such is the level of education and reading comprehension here in der Heimatland (the Homeland).

18 MRW December 2, 2009 at 7:50 am

And the tech docs for the Stealth and other high-end bombers are written for a fourth-grade level, which is a good thing and not indicative of education and reading comprehension. [Actually, I think the Stealth uses comic books.]

Microsoft Word includes two widely-respected readability tools, the Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease test and the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level test.

Reading-Ease. High scores in the Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease test indicate easy-to-read passages. Low scores indicate hard-to-read text.

Grade Level. The Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level test indicates the number of years of education generally needed to understand the text. Low scores indicate easy-to-read text; higher grade levels indicate fewer potential readers.

For really clear writing, you want a high Ease score, and a low Grade Level score. (Aim for under 10 words per sentence.) To find the tools in Word: select Tools, Spelling and Grammar, and Options. When the Options dialog box appears, click the radio button next to Show Readability. Enjoy.

Of course, this doesn’t apply to fiction.

19 Citizen December 2, 2009 at 10:25 am

Here’s some Flesch-Kincaid applied to some popular fiction books:
http://oneminutebookreviews.wordpress.com/2006/11/16/
Be interesting to see the test applied to poetry. Of course poetry is un-American, so why bother?

20 MRW December 2, 2009 at 11:12 am

Pretty funny, Citizen, although can you imagine doing that with One Hundred Years of Solitude?

21 Eva Smagacz December 2, 2009 at 5:06 pm

Or Umberto Eco? LOL

22 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 10:28 am

Sixth grade, actually, from what I recall being taught. And even then we aren’t talking about sourcing and bibliography, merely grammar and vocabulary.

23 America First December 2, 2009 at 8:43 am

Looks like Jews will be declaring Europe a rogue continent:

EU Palestine move enrages Israelis

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/eu-palestine-move-enrages-israelis-1832238.html

24 yonira December 2, 2009 at 9:07 am

What do Jews have to do with anything? You mean Israel will be declaring Europe a rogue continent?

25 MRW December 2, 2009 at 9:18 am

yonira, enough with this self-righteous sensitivity hair-splitting about the use of the word “Jews.”

Netanyahu screams he can’t, he won’t, he’ll never talk to the Palestinians because they wont recognize Israel as a Jewish state, so it’s Jews who occupy Israel and who run it, just like it’s the Americans who occupy and run the United States. Israel is an ethnocracy, and frames itself as a theocratic state. Dont blame us if we listen to that. I wont even get into “the Jewish people” argument.

26 yonira December 2, 2009 at 9:42 am

Well for the record, as a Jew, I am not declaring any continents rogue.

I am all for the EUs push to make E Jerusalem the capital of a Palestinian state.

27 MRW December 2, 2009 at 10:29 am

“Americans do this, ” “Americans do that” … do you think it includes every American in the country? How many times have you used the expression “Why do you all…” on this board?

28 yonira December 2, 2009 at 10:50 am

Because you are all like robots and your opinions don’t vary one iota between one another.

29 yonira December 2, 2009 at 10:51 am

Not all Israelis are Jews, but all Americans are Americans.

30 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 10:56 am

I’m curious… is name calling really a cornerstone of Zionism? If Israel, you know, actually had a constitution, would there have to be a special exemption for Israeli Jews to be able to call other people names?

31 Shmuel December 2, 2009 at 11:06 am

Not all Israelis are Jews, but all Americans are Americans.

Which, in a nutshell, explains why the US is a democracy and Israel (defined as a “Jewish state”) is not.

32 MRW December 2, 2009 at 11:30 am

:-) Which, in a nutshell, is what Shlomo Sand says too, but I dont want to venture onto that thread because Witty is busy pontificating about the meaning of it after declaring he know bupkis/bubkes about the book.

33 Eva Smagacz December 2, 2009 at 5:11 pm

Human Rights
Human Rights
Human Rights
Equality
Equality
Equality
Punish War Crimes
Punish War Crimes
Punish War Crimes
End Occupation
End Occupation
End Occupation

Yonira, are you joining this robotic chorus or do you have another moral compass?

34 Citizen December 3, 2009 at 11:27 am

Yep.
Please explain to the likes of Dick Witty, why the self-announced description of
Israel as “Jewish and democratic” poses a problem for the feeble Gentile intellect, not to mention the difference between deed and creed on the ground.

35 yonira December 3, 2009 at 11:59 am

I think all those ideas are fabulous.

36 potsherd December 3, 2009 at 12:13 pm

What you really mean to say is that all Jews aren’t Israeli.

37 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 9:49 am

America First deserves some very genuine condescension for his use of the word Jews in this context.

But not from you, because you use the terms “Israeli” and “Jew” interchangably when it suits you.

38 yonira December 2, 2009 at 10:32 am

i’ve never done it intentionally, i know the difference and think the difference is important.

39 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 10:34 am

Ooooh, you never done it intentionally. Riiight.

40 America First December 2, 2009 at 10:56 am

Now Chaos, you know that if some uppity goyim in Europe get on the wrong side of Israel, they face the wrath not just of Israel but of an entire diaspora. The swarming hive knows no borders.

41 Chaos4700 December 2, 2009 at 10:58 am

You know what really bothers me about you, America First? I never know when you’re being funny and when you’re being serious.

42 Rehmat December 2, 2009 at 9:25 am

Well – many of us know CNN’s definition of a “rogue state”. However, some scholars have defined Israelas:

“When you read the history of Israel from objective sources, you discover that it is an outlaw state, created by the powers that be by stealing the land from its original inhabitants, and systematically exterminating them ever since.” —John Kaminski

“Israel, a nation spiritually guided by suicidal biblical and historical narratives such as Samson and Masada,” – Gilad Atzmon

http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/12/02/iran-must-produce-a-bomb/

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