Pacific Gas & Electric advertisement before (left) and after (right)
An ad campaign of sorts ran in Berkeley and San Francisco at the end of 2009 drawing attention to Pacific Gas & Electric’s relationship with the Israeli company Solel and the growing BDS movement. Several of PG&E’s “Solar Power” bus shelter billboards were modified to read “Making planets orbit and bagels toast … and fueling Israeli apartheid.” PG&E has a 25-year contract with Solel to develop the Mojave Solar Park in California’s Mojave Desert.
The modified ads were rehung in bus shelters in downtown Berkeley and San Francisco’s Union Square, and stayed up for several weeks through November and December.
Street artist K.R., one of the creators of the ad, explained in a press release, “Every person in California has a stake in what PG&E does, because we are all forced to buy power from them. I don’t want to be funding apartheid every time I turn on a light, and I don’t think most of my neighbors do either.”
The release continues, “Our desire for new energy sources has always led us to partner with repressive regimes. The demand for oil led to the Vietnam War and the murder of Ken Saro-Wiwa and other Nigerian activists. Uranium mining was one of the reasons for apartheid in South Africa and theft of Native American land in the last century. Our conversion to clean and renewable energy should not replicate the exploitative conditions under which earlier technologies were developed.”
I looked into Solel and it did not appear that they are operating in the occupied territories. Most companies which have been targeted by the BDS movement in the US so far have a direct connection to the occupation so I asked K.R. – why target Solel? K.R. responded by email:
Every large Israeli company finances the Israeli government through taxes, and thus its wars and aggression, and its apartheid system, are financed by the money that comes into the country through its manufacturing and exports. In 2008, the company’s CEO received an Outstanding Exporter Award from President Shimon Peres. It is one of the leading solar thermal producers in the world. At the time divestment from South Africa was being debated, divestment was definitely not limited to companies that were "doing bad things" directly for the South African government; it was understood that in order to affect the South African state, we needed to hurt its economy.
In addition, K.R. made an important point about the role projects like this play in Israeli hasbara:
The Israel lobby and its public relations people here use its development of "green" technology to promote the image of Israel as a progressive country that is doing so much to preserve the land, while in fact, it is destroying the environment in order to establish control over the land and its resources. Companies like Solel are very important in that cultural war.
Detail from the "redesigned" ad:
K.R. The Street Artist. My new hero.
Hey K.R., if you’re reading this, why dont you add that partnering with any foreign company right now to do work that can be provided by a US company is bad business.
We have solar companies here. Why isn’t PG&E using them? Why isn’t PG&E promoting the US green industry?
Brilliant work!
It looks very good, professional design.
Wow, BDS is very successful in the US, you managed to deface a sign.
And what exactly have the “teabaggers” accomplished, except to make a spectacle of themselves and feed a decade’s worth of jokes? If you want a political movement worth ridiculing, Julian, you really don’t have to leave the comfort of your own lunatic fringe.
“teabaggers”? Other than being a Zionist and against BDS you have no idea what my political beliefs are.
“lunatic fringe” do you think you’re a main stream movement? All you are is a gaggle of fanatics filled with hatred.
It is possible you are progressive except Palestine. You wouldn’t be the first to alternate between extreme right wing “victimization” and highly progressive views on other topics. A large number of “Progressive except Palestine” were rather shaken by Richard Goldstone’s report. How about you?
I’m really too lazy to go through your other posts. No point to it. As for whether we are a main stream movement – we’re getting mighty close. BDS is the “edge” of main stream – as opposed to radical. 20 years ago BDS type activity was radical.
The US is not the centre of the universe. BDS will not be made in the US. Rather if it is to be successful it will have to make it in Europe. It will then spread to the US.
Either that, or you are projecting.
Julian is like the jerk frat-boys from 1980s teen flicks.
Get some new material, douche!
Or that kid on Phil’s bus.
Witty and yonira won’t commit on this i m sure. Witty would say whats the purpose of BDS as usual.
I am not entirely against a boycott of goods made in the WB, if it will end the occupation more quickly.
aparisian-
If you wish to change people’s behavior, the power of the purse is as likely a place to start as any other.
I would like to change certain Israeli actions, but I do not aspire to use the technique of boycott.
You want to undo Israel’s existence, so boycotting would make perfect sense to you.
that is what scares me of the about BDS, its intention is for the end of Israel. I guess scare isn’t the right word, its not exactly a thriving venture and it doesn’t appear to be picking up much steam outside the fringes.
yonira i know you are scared but remember yonira thats history taught us about a lot about these colonial and racist enterprises, they have many things in common and all of them just fall down.
that is what scares me of the about BDS, its intention is for the end of Israel.
Completely inaccurate. Absolutely wrong-headed. Look up the Jewish Autonomous Region in Russia. link to eao.ru
Read the history and look at the photogallery of beautiful buildings and the area.
Check out the section on religion. They’ve lived in peace with their religious differences for 75 years, but the place is Jewish.
End of Israel? What does that mean exactly? End of what?
No one I know in the BDS movement calls for the “end of Israel” unless you identify occupation, Apartheid, and ethnocentrism with Israel, then yes. In other words, BDS aims ant ending Israeli policies not the physical elimination of anyone.
Next time Yonira, I suggest you think about things before simply regurgitating stupid nonsense because you seem to be a fairly intelligent person.
yonira, do you have the same heartfelt, principled concern that sanctions on Iran, which Israel has driven since at least 1995, will also result in the “end of Iran?”
The stated goals of sanctions on Iran are to destroy its economy, foment civil unrest, and topple its government.
In some exquisite turn of logic, Israel and the US legislators whose noses are pierced with the star of david, think that creating instability leading to a failed state will result in security for Israel and peace and stability in the region. Do you subscribe to that logic?
Aref,
fairly intelligent is a stretch….
But I have yet to see anyone frame BDS in the way that you framed it above. If that is the goal of BDS, then I am not afraid at all, I could even see myself going along (in mind only, can’t let my fellow Jews see me doing something like that, I need to find a nice Jewish wife still for God sakes.)
WJ, Did BDS ended South Africa? nope but the boycott is a message to Israel and the Israeli society, somehow to tell them we don’t share your values.
Many Israelis look at South Africa and they see the violence and they say, no thanks. Other Israelis look at South Africa and they say, things will be only worse in Israel/Palestine.
Many Israelis feel that the Jews need a state of their own and to turn into an Arab majority state is to have received a legacy from their fathers (and mothers) and not have passed it on to their sons (and daughters).
Israelis are indifferent to the Palestinians struggle, they show no compassion no sympathy to the Palestinians, the majority support the callous human rights violations towards them in the occupied territories, and the Jewish state is indifferent to International laws, they build Jews only settlements, Jews only roads, they have laws for Jews only, so how could someone ignore that this is an apartheid state? WJ, is that Judaism? Did David ask the children of Israel to steal/destory others homes and uproot olive trees? Did David teach the children of Israel to kill innocent children and women? Jews are destroying Israel by enduring this terrible occupation and by ignoring the rights of Pals. Israel will not survive if it continues its actual policies.
David was an enthusiastic genocide.
aparisian- The founder of the Jewish religion was Moses rather than David.
I hear your accusations against Israel and they are serious accusations. I don’t think it hurts to keep in mind that the “mentality” of Israel is not all evil, it has its roots in human response to events and history and they will react as humans to BDS, even if you condemn their actions towards the Palestinians. I accept that your primary concern is the suffering of the Palestinians, but you seem to think that unless you place the Israelis in the category “Absolute Evil” you are somehow being soft on evil. I think that a deeper curiosity about the Israeli/zionist mindset might make your commitment to the Palestinians more profound rather than weaker.
Moses, if he ever existed, would certainly not recognize contemporary Judaism.
potsherd- An interesting comment, especially since Moses is introduced in this week’s parsha.
There is a lot more violence in Israel-Palestine today than there is in South Africa , don’t you think? Things are probably going to get worse when the “demographic time bomb” goes off. So why would Jewish Israelis want to pass this violent legacy on to their children? I hope you’re not saying that they love the land more than they love their own children.
The Israeli love for the land is a love for a future of Jewish pride rather than subservience.
The image of a future in a Palestinian majority state has not been projected (here on this site) with anything near the clear thinking and forward thinking and understanding for jewish sensibilities to consider this vision anything more than a mirage and a dismissal of the existence of a jewish history and a jewish perspective worth listening to.
If you take a look at why you don’t consider Aryan history or Aryan perspective relevant, you may realise why.
sammy- If you threw your analogy away for 30 days, like throwing away a crutch, you might find you develop new muscles.
I’m just saying that when you see a person being abused, what the abusers childhood was like is not very relevant – maybe it is when considering accountability and sentencing – but the urgency of the moment is to first stop the abuse. If you came home and found a guy raping your wife, his possible childhood abuse is not what is paramount in your mind. To claim that people should first look at “Jewish history” and “Jewish perspective” just makes you look incredibly insensitive, when three people including a 14 year old child were murdered today.
Jewish pride, Jewish sensibilities, Jewish visions – and not an inconvenient Arab in sight. It is all a deliberate self-blinding to the reality of the Zionist enterprise, a set of Jew-colored glasses that sees only the positive and blocks out the suffering it causes.
A person can see two things and not just one. You only see Palestinian suffering; you feel that you cannot look at the Jewish perspective at the same time, for it will weaken your resolve in supporting the Palestinians.
You must have high opinions of what your opinions can accomplish. If in fact your activism extends beyond this blog, I apologize. But I don’t think sticking in your two cents for the Palestinians on this blog really amounts to an urgent matter to you, so urgent that you can’t afford to look at some other thoughts at the same time.
Israel and the US are responsible for such situations, how can you tell people not to radicalise while you give no hope, and show no sympathy for the other side. The injustice is hugeeeeee WJ
Is that what you do? Sympathise with the Germans when you think of the Holcoaust?
The above comment #34 is for wondering jew [I have a plant called wandering jew]
No, WJ, I do not see only Palestinian suffering. I see Jews ignoring Palestinian rights. I see Jews privileging their sentimental dreams over the reality of the consequences. I see Jews who can only see the Jewish perspective – and I can see how this is the source of the entire problem.
I agree w/ Wondering Jew, you are a smart person. The whole using a Holocaust or Nazi Germany analogy in everyone of your post is below you.
Its the only way for some people to see the Palestinians as the victims they are. Tell me, how many Holocaust museums tell us the German history and perspective and sympathise with it? The idea of telling the victims of the Jewish state that they should “understand” why they are being abused is as abhorrent as the idea that Jews should “understand” why they were being abused. I think its the only way for some pro-Israelis to fathom how truly revolting such a sentiment is. Even then, I am not sure that wj gets it.
The only way to deal with Nazis is to defeat them on the battle field and to occupy their country for forty five years until the threat of a cold war passes and everything is pacific. But this is not what you are proposing for Israel or is it?
Hopefully not, but Israeli intransigence is not very encouraging, its upto them if they prefer to live together or fight against. Personally, I think they will start WWIII rather than live together. But for all of us who prefer they don’t, the only answer is BDS.
The only way to deal with Nazis is to defeat them on the battle field …
Why is that the only way? Just because that is what happened after WWII, after Germany attacked much of Europe, as well as North Africa, and after much of Europe, including Germany, lay in ruins? History must never change and must always repeat itself exactly? That’s nonsensical.
And in reality, although the occupation didn’t technically end until 1990, most of West Germany’s sovereignty was restored by 1954. The people who presently live under a soul-crushing belligerent occupation for nearly 45 years are the Palestinians, but, sure, lets not do anything that might end that, because continued Palestinian suffering is so much better than the mere thought of possible Jewish suffering.
Do I need to remind you that there was an attempt to fight Nazism by boycotting German goods in the thirties, which was having some success until the Jewish Agency in Palestine decided to enter into the Ha’avara Agreement with Nazi Germany and infuse some needed cash into the German economy?
And when BDS doesn’t work?
tree- I don’t feel the analogy helps in constructing or construing a one state solution. at some point communication will be necessary to construct or imagine a one state solution. If you feel that your rhetorical purity is essential to the end to the victimization of the Palestinians, good for you. My own feeling is that the flow of history is quite a bit bigger than your (or my) individual rhetoric. The Nazi Zionist analogy is a red flag not designed for discussion but for marginalization. Who is sitting on the fence who reads this site who really needs another dose of marginalization?
…you cannot look at the Jewish perspective…
Isn’t that rather anti-semitic to claim that there is one “Jewish perspective”? There are a growing number of Jews who have a different perspective than you. Is their perspective not “Jewish” because it doesn’t focus on what happened to Jews in WWII as yours does?
WJ, you continually think and feel in relationship to WWII history. Its a bit much for you to pretend that your advice to others to throw away a “crutch” isn’t in fact your own crutch that will not let you view today except through the lens of WWII. And through the lens of WWII, comparing Jews and Nazi Germany would be obscene. But without the limiting lenses, you could see that some of the actions taken, and acquiesced to, by Israel have a parallel in some actions taken by Nazi Germany, particularly those taken before the start of WWII.
In my opinion the Nazi Zionist analogy is not designed for marginalization but for comparison of the ultimate danger of supremacist attitudes and actions. You seem to have an assumption that comparing any action by any Jew to Nazi actions is verboten, as if Jews are somehow different than the rest of mankind and somehow uniquely incapable of reprehensible actions. Anyone is capable of such actions, and to exclude Jews from the weaknesses of the rest of mankind does no favor to anyone, Jewish or otherwise.
Its used habitually.
“Genocide”, “Nazi”, “ethnic cleansing”.
All dramatic words with important meaning, made less so by careless repetition.
Commit to using either of the words twice a year, and then the words will have meaning coming from your lips.
If everybody who used the analogy shared your opinion then I wouldn’t be so against it. That is definitely not how it is used on this site. When I am called a “fucking Nazi” on here its not to help me realize the ultimate danger of supremacy, its because I don’t share the EXACT same ideas as those who are using it.
Its purely used to demonize everything Israel and try to equate Israel and Zionism with the ultimate evil of our lifetime.
True there is not just one Jewish perspective, but if one is talking about a one state solution the familiarity and acceptance of the 4% Jewish perspective is not the same as familiarity and communication with other quite common Jewish Israeli perspectives.
I think the analogy mostly makes for good photos and quick arguments, I think it is not designed to convince or to elicit cross barrier communication, but to elicit an”Amen” from the Amen chorus.
I accept that I have bit off a bit more of WWII than I can digest. Nonetheless I am not ready to declare myself unable to participate in Mondoweiss blog discussions based upon my preoccupation.
Again, we see the “feelings” and “attachments” of the Jews being privileged over the rights of others. The Nazis felt they needed the Lebensraum of Eastern Europe, where is the difference?
What a bunch of crap. Read my post about about the Jewish Autonomous Region.
I consdier the abuse of a solar energy company to be an action by a hooligan.
There is no accusation that they operate in the West Bank.
It is simply vindictive.
Why did you sink so low Adam? Anti-Israeli now only?
Witty and Julian, a marriage made in Zioland.
What do you mean by “sink so low”? By reporting on this action? Are there some actions that are not worth reporting on?
Also, one of the main reasons I felt it was important to post this story is precisely because Solel is not operating in the West Bank. The original call for BDS was more broad than just the 1967 occupation and activists in the US are now expanding beyond just corporations the benefit from the occupation. This is a direct result of Israeli intransigence. As K.R. said, they felt it was important to target Solel to pressure the Israeli government. I think others are thinking this way as well, and it will lead to a broader and broader boycott and divestment effort, especially as Israel faces almost no pressure or push back through more traditional diplomatic channels.
You are the editor.
Your action is of how a report is framed. In this case, YOU are escalating the scope of BDS from opposition to occupation and its affects, to anything that is Israeli, even good things that are Israeli.
KR’s rationalization was that anything good that is Israeli is a target because any way that Israel or any Israelis looks good (even if by doing good and being good) is some sort of crime because some Israeli policies and some Israelis’ actions are wrong and worse.
I personally do not adopt that view towards Palestinians, or even towards Hamas, as much as I am accused of being a “racist”.
Report away.
Maybe I should have complained about KR, but the tone of this site is a choice on your part.
This in my mind, is an example of the collective punishment that is currently directed towards Israelis in the pendulum swing. If you oppose collective punishment in principle, then take that stand, and don’t rationalize that collective punishment in the form of vague BDS is acceptable collateral damage for a greater good.
It makes you sound like a neo-neo-conservative.
Not knowing the company, its employees I can’t say authoritatively.
But, I expect that if you polled employees in solar companies and other new-tech, especially among the leadership, you would find a MUCH higher level of humanist acceptance of Palestinians as peers than among really any population group.
BDS against that, is BDS discouragement of humanist values and applications, not some confusion of support.
I am with MRW on this one. There are at least 6 solar energy companies I know of in the US – 3 that are knocking on PG&E’s doors for co-operative efforts right now. Why do they need to turn to an Israeli company? it’s really neither necessary, nor productive, given the large amounts of federal $’s that go into green technologies. We need every manufacturing job we can get right here in this country if there’s any hope of coming through the recession in any kind of shape. Especially when it comes to green energy, the sad truth is that this country is way behind european, japanese and now even chinese companies. And solar energy is an area israel has not been in the forefront for. Not only that but israeli companies are notoriously difficult to work with, so I wouldn’t recommend them for just that one reason.
Thanks to Adam fro bringing this to attention. I’ll be contacting the appropriate people at PG&E as well as write a letter to Dr. Chu about this venture. I’m sure they got the job through incredibly aggessive marketing – pulling every string they can – often to the detriment of american and other competitors.
Am actually getting quite tired of seeing also all the electronic and security contracts that go to israel. If they were always the best, that would be one thing. But that’s often not the case. Some day, some people will start telling their stories – maybe after they retire?
As for BDS, the more the better. I am all for it because it is the ONLY thing that gets israels’ attention. Just look at Witty’s reaction. should tell us all we need to know.
Disclaimer: I really am working in areas that are trying to reverse the trend of outsourcing. Something that has not done much good for the country – if one were to look at all the aspects. Nothing wrong with getting the best there is and i am working with two european companies now that deal with infrastructure technology. But just farming things out for the sake of getting a couple more pennies in profit does not make economic sense. besides, as oil prices will inch up further (and they will) the new trends will be to go local. It’s already happening in other countries.
Thats a good idea. I have friends in the US. Who can we write to about American companies instead of Israeli ones? ICTS for example, provided security during 9/11 at Logan airport, during the shoebomber attack and also in Amsterdam. Why is security being given to foreign regimes with a vested interest?
link to wakeupfromyourslumber.com
Even worse from a security point-of-view is that this Israeli company not only handles security for 46 main airports in the US, but handles all US international gateways. That just stuns me after the cock-up about the Dubai ports, and it gives Israeli intelligence a complete dossier on who is leaving the US and where they are going. This is a pivotal point of intelligence for business espionage. Think of all the silicon valley executives going overseas for manufacturing purposes. Their precise location is now known to Israeli intelligence and this is unacceptable.
I’ll do a little research on the US solar companies – see below my answer to MRW. Know much less about security business (fortunately) but this would be an excellent area to look into and at least find out who the competition is (I have a sneaking suspicion that there’s not a lot of it around). I’ll check with my own sources is best I can offer.
Danaa,
There was lots of security business around — and they were imbued with the utility ethic of the formerly unbroken AT&T behemoth, which meant no foreigners, nor foreign-born, got nothin’ out of them — but Israel, surreptitiously, was key in breaking up the telecommunications business (outsourcing a little of this, outsourcing a little of that) and getting CALEA passed in 1994. There was no way they could track anything on the scale they do now unless they could get those hardware UUIDs passed into law. Before April 1994, there was very little Israel could do to penetrate US security without leaving trackmarks the size of Rhode Island.
Even NSA outsources that stuff now. It’s a matter of awareness of this; I mean, if Americans knew what they have given up, if they understood the breadth of what they have allowed, they would be stunned; it is absolutely monumental. And I blame the Clinton administration entirely for giving away the keys to the kingdom, because its more than just so-called national security, it is the ability of every American business to function in our best economic interest. If France had done this, or Britain, or Sweden, or Germany, there would be an uproar like the death threats to the AIG execs. Those idiot congressmen who thought their Freedom Fries outrage meant anything should be hanged for allowing what was really done to this country. It is that serious. We are a third-world country, now, in many ways not apparent yet, as a result.
Check out NARUS, now top-heavy with pretty American whitebread to hide its roots.
And I’m with Danaa on all her other points. Outsourcing is one of my other passions. By 2012, 75% of all white-collar US jobs will be fulfilled overseas. Fucking dandy.
There are at least 6 solar energy companies I know of in the US – 3 that are knocking on PG&E’s doors for co-operative efforts right now.
Who are they, Danaa? I want to call them up and ask who I should write to and bitch. This kind of stuff really frosts me. I dont give a damn whether it’s France, Sweden, China, or Israel, we have excess plant capacity in this country right now that is not being used. And these Solel pricks are pushing this: A corrective pricing mechanism, such as a carbon tax, could lead to renewable energy, such as solar thermal energy, becoming cheaper to the consumer than fossil fuel based energy.
Furthermore, Solel uses the old solar-thermal (CSP) technology that needs the heat of the sun to convert to energy, and has to sprawl all over the desert. And guess what they did, they locked PG&E into a 25-year contract starting in July 2007 at .12/Kwh. And they’ll be wanting some of that carbon tax money on top of it.
There’s a little solar company in Reno NV (also Silicon Valley and LA) — right in PG&E’s backyard — called Sungri. They developed something called Xtreme Concentrated Photovoltaics (XCPV) that can concentrate the sun’s energy 1600 times, and cost .05/Kwh. In a fraction of the footprint of regular solar.
Ach.
Oh yeah, Solel promises that they might be able to get it down to $.06/Khw, maybe in 10 years, probably by the end of the contract.
MRW, stay tuned and I’ll try to get some information for you (but probably won’t get all the pieces till after the weekend – calls need to be made, etc, since -contrary to common impressions, google does not know all the answers, and my own knowledge is in the periphery of solar energy market). Keep coming back to this thread and I’ll hopefully have tid bits to add – as time allows (got a deadline too, coming up fast). But this little solar business really tweeked my interest as I have some idea how large are the planned investments in alternative energy.
I couldn’t agree more also about the security company but that’s a tricky business. Did you know israeli companies pretty much have a monopoly on security for cruise ships also? all over the world too. Not surprising if we realize that security business is a key export for them. I assume you know about the encription services they got all to themselves, right? that one is the greatest shocker of them all.
And the passport bio media business. They therefore have to have ALL of your passport info. Israel did their pilot program about three or four years ago in NJ and now have the contract.
Here’s the list of info that goes directly to an Israeli company:
** All call record data on landline and cellular phones because Israel does the billing for every major carrier in the USA.
** The packet data collected on every phone call that goes through AT&T switches. (Israeli involvement hidden in 1999 by changing their executive branch to an American bunch)
** The White House phone system (Obama was very smart to go Blackberry. It took RIM in Canada four months to secure that phone for him. I dont know how secure it was ultimately, but at least they aren’t picking off the packets. RIM do doubt removed the ID and hardware UUIDs off all internal components for starters. Worse thing we ever did was CALEA, and I was bitching in the wind about it then, April 1994, to no avail.)
** The name and destination of everyone leaving the US. I dont know about incoming.
** The name and destination of all passengers at 46 American airports
** All new US passport data on every American citizen with biometrics
** Now you tell me they have the name, address, and destination, of cruise ship passengers worldwide.
All you have to do is read Victor Ostrovsky’s books to know what they are doing with it. Or watch the four-part Fox series that was ripped off the web except for here: link to z.pe
I dont know about the encryption thing other than that Israel tried to buy a key US encryption company, Something-Point, in the US about four or five years ago and the FBI/CIA went absolutely batshit, and threatened mass resignations if the Bush Admin allowed it.
Think I’m going to subscribe to the RSS feed for this site because subscribing to posts didn’t work out for me. I found over time that I missed really important emails because so many subscriptions emails were coming in that I missed VIP ones in the interstices. So I have a bitch of a time re-finding where I’ve placed my bon mots.
So next week will be fine, or if see me cruising and I haven’t answered that I’ve seen your post, holler.
Are you a geo-thermal scientist? That is still picking my ass.
“The packet data collected on every phone call that goes through AT&T switches. (Israeli involvement hidden in 1999 by changing their executive branch to an American bunch)”
How do you know about the Israeli involvement?
NARUS was a 100% Israeli owned company when it started in 1997. You can start searching from here, but much of the salient info has been web scrubbed, Yaaas, I have copies of all their shit somewhere. This is the the firm the AT&T whistleblower Klein identified in dec 2007 or 06 or whenever it was.
link to z.pe
link to z.pe
What you should be looking for is a technical definition of exactly what services they were providing AT&T.
Sammy, go to my 4:35 AM post and watch that series.
Sammy,
A lot of things were snuck in while the US and the press were preoccupied with Clinton’s peccadilloes. Ten-ish years later, I am now beginning to believe that it may have been a cock-up all along to get Clinton by taking advantage of his weaknesses in the service of others’ strengths.
Danaa,
BTW, dont make it your life’s work. Throw me a couple of bones to explore and I’ll putter about.
Sammy,
I dont feel like explaining exactly how I know what I know vis-a-vis this subject, but I’ve given you some directions to get the facts. ‘Nuf said.
It’s pretty obvious you know absolutely nothing about business. Companies promise anything to get a contract. If it’s a government contract they will promise even more, knowing the government will pay for cost overruns. The person awarding the contract if he is doing due diligence checks to see what they promise actually works in the real world. Most times what appears to be a great offer is all bs.
Your little company Sungri doesn’t even have a working product. They expect to have one in about a year. Which could mean never.
You would give a 25 year contract to a company with no product and no track record. Amazing how dumb you are.
You know, anyone from the right side of the spectrum really has no place calling anyone else dumb. What you’re describing isn’t “business,” Julian, it’s graft.
Wrong, Julian.
As of April, 2008, it had been a year since Sungri had a working prototype pass successful XCPV testing.
Mondoweissians, please join in an Activism:
The mayor of Youngstown, Ohio, one of the most depressed cities in the nation, is travelling to Israel to consider Youngstown-Israeli business alliances.
The fact that Israel is exploiting the black mayor of a severely depressed city speaks volumes: Israel preys on the weak and vulnerable.
Please take action: register on the Youngstown, Ohio, Vindicator (newspaper) website and post a comment on the article that reports on other objections to the mayor’s visit to Israel. Include one more bit of information — ie, link this PGE article to inform the people of Youngstown that other, larger cities also object to business alliances with Israel, on principled grounds.
Thanks y’all
links to Youngstown, Ohio Vindicator:
link to vindy.com
Mayor’s Visit to Israel Opposed link to vindy.com
Useful link: link to jkcook.net
Psychopathic God,
The action has to be that the $15 million/day given to Israel should be going to Youngstown. Do the Youngstown taxpayers know their tax dollars go to Israel everyday?
Is the Mayor going to Israel to get American dollars back? I hope so.
you’re not going to believe this, MRW.
The mayor of Youngstown is following in the footsteps of the mayor of nearby Akron, Ohio, who travelled to Israel (at the expense of Akron’s taxpayers) several years ago, to investigate commercial relationships between Israel and Akron. Before he left Tel Aviv, the mayor wrote a check, payable to an Israeli corporation, for $1 million and became one of the “major” investors in an Israel-based business incubator. link to ci.akron.oh.us
The Israelis promised in return that three or five or seven years down the road, Israeli business interests might consider Akron as a location businesses that might emerge from the Israeli incubator.
In 2009, Akron’s mayor announced that the investment was about to begin to pay off; several Israeli companies that market homeland security and remote tracking devices would begin to locate in Akron. (in other words, Akron will now become another hub for Israel to spy on Americans. heckuva job, Brownie.)
As far as I know, the Brooklyn bridge is still not spoken for, so the mayor of Youngstown may yet have an exciting investment opportunity available to him….
Psychopathic god –> WOW.
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