Israel not always a force for good in Haiti

This ran originally in Ha'aretz/Hebrew, penned by Nirit Ben-Ari. This translation ran Feb. 1 in WW4 Report: "Haiti and the Jews: Forgotten History." The money:

But it seems the Israeli involvement in the nation was not always so positive. On Dec. 27, 1982, the US newspaper Christian Science Monitor reported that since 1968 Israel had sold weapons to two Haitian dictators-Francois Duvalier, who became president in 1957; and his son Jean-Claude Duvalier, who succeeded him in 1971. The two, known as "Papa Doc" and "Baby Doc," controlled and terrorized the country with a private army. On March 27, 1983, the New York Times reported that Israel was among the few countries that had agreed to sell weapons to Baby Doc, and provided him with the long-term payment arrangement that he requested.

Paul Farmer, who would serve as President Bill Clinton's deputy UN representative to Haiti, previously reported that Gen. Prosper Avril, the head of the military junta that took power in Haiti in 1988, received temporary asylum in Israel in 1990. Avril was the head of Baby Doc's notorious "Presidential Guard," and a US court ruled that he was responsible for "scandalous human rights violations." He would later serve prison time in Haiti for his crimes.

In 1990, four years after Baby Doc was ousted from power, the popular priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president of Haiti-in the first democratic elections the nation had seen. But in 1991 he was deposed in a military coup. Britain's The Independent newspaper reported Oct. 14, 1991 that about 2,000 Uzi and Galil machine-guns from Israel were sent to Haiti in the weeks prior to the coup-with diplomats claiming the weapons went to military units especially loyal to the coup-plotters.

According to an Aug. 1, 2005 report in Jane's Intelligence Review, weapons of Israeli origin were being smuggled through Florida and ending up with armed gangs in Port-au-Prince in this period-some in collaboration with the junta, and some opposed.

The Israeli Defense Ministry did not issue any reaction by publication time.

Now, as Israeli doctors and nurses work around the clock at the hospital that was established in Haiti, one can only hope that Israel's contribution to the suffering nation will now focus on saving lives, and not on weapons shipments.

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  1. UNIX says:

    We should applaud when people save lives. Israel did a great job in Haiti and we can’t let our feelings about the I/P issue get in the way encouraging help to the Haitians who are suffering.

    • Oscar says:

      BSDNOW, the entire Israeli team is already back home, leaving the rest of the world to deal with the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Haiti. They were the first ones to pull out. No more applause for them.

      • UNIX says:

        Fair enough I just think that we should support helping the Haitians whether it’s from Israel, Iran or anywhere else.

      • yonira says:

        Israel is a small country, with limited resources they can’t stay there as long as the United States, France, or Britain. They saved lives, I just don’t understand what the point of denying that, or trying to belittle their efforts.

        Now, as Israeli doctors and nurses work around the clock at the hospital that was established in Haiti, one can only hope that Israel’s contribution to the suffering nation will now focus on saving lives, and not on weapons shipments.

        I am surprised you didn’t leave this paragraph out Phil.

        • It wasn’t a “key” paragraph.

          I’m saddened that an element of Phil’s present effort is to make Israeli involvement in any effort into persona non grata. Its a buy-in to the BDS approach, but also a buy-in to the rightest Zionist theme of “they are all against us”. (In the case of BDS as chosen form of dissent, it becomes true.)

          Israel’s history when deeply isolated of providing military and other aid to the worst of brutal dictatorships is a blot on its history, ironically borne of its isolation and therefore lack of any latitude to pursue alternative relationships. It didn’t need to pursue them with anything resembling enthusiasm though.

          Liberals seek something different, not isolation and not appeasement, reform.

        • Citizen says:

          Still towing the hasbara line–main lining Israel as victim, eh Dick Witty? How many hits of ziocain have you had already this morning? Poor little isolated
          Israel, what else could it have done?

        • Citizen says:

          I’m saddened that some people might think white supremacists adopting a highway stretch to keep it clean for free are just engaging in PR. After all, it’s a good thing to keep the highway clean, right? Doing good is doing good. Give credit where credit is due instead of trying to turn any white supremacist involvement and effort into persona non grata.

          link to minx.cc

        • Citizen,
          I, for one, would like to commend your organization on its wonderful efforts in protecting the environment

        • Citizen says:

          Why thank you, Einsteinsays, just so we are on the same page. All for the public good, nicht wahr?

        • RE: “I just don’t understand what the point of denying that, or trying to belittle their efforts…” yonira
          SEE: “Does Gilbert Bigio make Israel look good?”, By Paul Woodward, War in Context, January 25, 2010
          (EXCERPT) When Amos Radian, Israel’s Dominican Republic-based ambassador to the nations of the eastern Caribbean, spoke to the Jerusalem Post last week, he was unequivocal in expressing appreciation towards the Bigio family.
          Gilbert Bigio, a Syrian Jew and honorary consul for Israel in Haiti also happens to be among the wealthiest men in that impoverished nation. The day before Israel’s relief team was due to arrive in Haiti, Ambassador Radian spoke to Reuven Shalom Bigio, son of the business magnate.
          “Tomorrow the Israel Air Force is coming with two jets and 250 people and I have no place to put them,” Radian told Bigio. The response was swift as the Israelis were provided with Bigio-owned land to set up a field hospital. Radian said that the assistance provided “made us look so good”….
          ….In 2004, the Miami Herald reported on Haiti’s tiny and wealthy Jewish community and spoke to its de facto leader. Bigio saw no reason why the huge disparity between his own wealth and the poverty of those around him should breed in them any resentment. “Bigio, 68, lives in a big, beautiful house in Petionville, one of the few upscale neighborhoods in Port-au-Prince. Behind the well-guarded house is a luxurious swimming pool and a gazebo for outdoor parties….”
          …Cite Soleil, a seaside shantytown of more than 300,000 people residing in homes made of cinder blocks with tin roofs, has been described as poorer than India’s infamous slums of Calcutta. It is also the home of the Bigio business empire.
          “Our purpose is to improve the quality of life of the communities we reach,” the GB Group says in its mission statement. A Haiti Information Project report from Cite Soleil published in January 2008 suggests otherwise. While the surrounding residents of Cite Soleil are forced to literally eat dirt to stave off hunger, Bigio is a billionaire whose family supported the first coup against Aristide and reportedly helped to back the movement that forced his second ouster in 2004…
          …The Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US government blocked all of the Bigio family’s holdings in US banks following the brutal military coup against Aristide in 1991. Since Aristide’s second ousting in 2004, the financial wealth of the Bigio family along with those of other well off Haitian clans such as the Mevs, Brandts, Acras and Madsens have nearly doubled according to a confidential source at a private accounting firm….
          ENTIRETY – link to warincontext.org

    • Cliff says:

      The point isn’t the act of saving lives, but the intentions and motivations behind them.

      You already said this in the original thread covering Israel’s PR adventure in Haiti.

      Israel is a State. States do not have morals, they have interests.

      So what if Israel ‘saves’ lives? It does so within a political framework. That should be obvious, by contrasting it’s treatment of Haitians during this PR effort, versus it’s relationship w/ the Palestinians.

      There are other examples of course. Others have mentioned Israel’s involvement in arming Central American regimes during the 80s. Brutal military juntas.

      You, BSD, simply want to stress a superficial point about the PR effort. You want to take away the inherent political context to these actions.

      Stop saying ‘we’ – you are a Zionist troll.

      No one here is bashing the Haitians.

  2. jimby says:

    Israel also supplied weapons to Idi Amin when it was no longer the “thing to do”.

    • Citizen says:

      The ugly Israeli” in the guise of the arms dealer (mostly former intelligence and military officials), who promotes weapons sales on behalf of Israeli military industries, with the backing of the defense establishment, have given Israel a bad name world-wide. Israelis have been involved in civil wars (in Angola, Liberia, Sierra Leone and the Ivory Coast) and in aiding dictatorial regimes such as in Equatorial Guinea and the two Congo republics.

      • Mooser says:

        Just so you know, Citizen, the “Ugly American” was the hero of the book of the same name. The “ugly American” an engineering contractor, was counterpoised to the “pretty Americans” from the military and State Department, who had no interest in helping the people of the book’s unnamed Asian country.
        The “pretty Americans engaged in enviorment destroying and useless large-scale irrigation projects, and the “ugly American” developed an irrigation pump which could be attached to a bicycle drive, needing no electrical power.

        Everyone gets that wrong. Why join them?

  3. Avi says:

    Back in the 80s, Israel was supplying the Tamil Tigers and East Timor with weapons to fight each other. Neither side, of course, knew at the time that Israel was selling weapons to the Other side.

    For decades now Israel has been arming dictators, gangs and war lords in Africa. More recently, Israel has been arming the Darfur rebels with shipments being sent to France and then from France to The Sudan.

    • Citizen says:

      Yes, Israel also has a history of selling arms to every tyrant in Latin America, and Israeli arms turned up in Iraq when we were fighting it; as well, Israel has supplied China. Masters Of War. 4th biggest arms sellers in the world. Not bad for a tiny patch of land–mostly due to the tight partnership with the #1 arms seller, the USA.
      link to thefreelibrary.com

  4. Operation Seashell, Israel’s weapons sales to Khomeini and Iran during Iraq-Iran war, “puts the later Iran-contra scandal to shame.”

    “more than anything else, the weapons industry wanted to make money. As one Israeli Defense Ministry official, a key figure in Operation Seashell, recalls ‘I do not remember even one discussion about the ethics of the matter. All that interested us was to sell, sell, sell more and more Israeli weapons, and let them kill each other with them.’ “

    ~Ronen Bergman, The Secret War with Iran , p. 43.

  5. BSDNOW January 31, 2010 at 10:28 pm
    We should applaud when people save lives. Israel did a great job in Haiti and we can’t let our feelings about the I/P issue get in the way encouraging help to the Haitians who are suffering.

    Oscar January 31, 2010 at 10:50 pm
    BSDNOW, the entire Israeli team is already back home, leaving the rest of the world to deal with the ongoing humanitarian disaster in Haiti. They were the first ones to pull out. No more applause for them.

    yonira January 31, 2010 at 11:22 pm
    Israel is a small country, with limited resources [but the 4th biggest miltary in the world] they can’t stay there as long as the United States, France, or Britain. They saved lives, I just don’t understand what the point of denying that, or trying to belittle their efforts.

    Now, as Israeli doctors and nurses work around the clock at the hospital that was established in Haiti, one can only hope that Israel’s contribution to the suffering nation will now focus on saving lives, and not on weapons shipments.
    I am surprised you didn’t leave this paragraph out Phil.

    Perhaps because Phil wasn’t even thinking as he cut-and-pasted. Because the famed and celebrated Israeli field hospital is no longer there, and the Haitiens are having to make do with only 15,000 US troops

    Still, he managed to glorify, a bit more, the piddling little Israeli contribution that has already been glorified enough

  6. And since the fall of the Duvalier regime, it has really been opened up. The neoliberal regime, one of its principal demands is the lowering of tariff barriers, so that rice grown in Arkansas and Texas and Louisiana can be dumped on the country, which has effectively destroyed the rice farmers of the Artibonite Valley, leaving Haiti now required to import almost 80 percent of its food. So foreign aid has essentially destroyed Haitian food self-sufficiency.

    • Cliff says:

      Hey look guys, it’s the resident, Judaism=Zionism slash wait-I’m-’kidding’-I’m-not-really-a-Jew, Jew!

      Welcome back clown-shoes.

      • Hey look guys, it’s the mondoweiss parrot, that is threatened at the thought of a non-Jew who actually supports the Jewish Nationalist initiative in the middle east. It’s someone who fears and bashes ad hominem at the postings of someone who is clearly more intelligent and informed and whose posts expose this parrot’s doctrine for what they are racist, violent and oppressive all wrapped up in a pc neo progressive shell

        • Cliff says:

          Yes. I am threatened by a guy (who calls me racist) who pretended to be Jewish. A guy who made easily refutable arguments such as ‘Judaism=Zionism’.

          Someone, who couldn’t even (while in-character ) bullshit his way through a simple question such as ‘Who is a Jew?’

          But keep telling yourself I’m ‘threatened’ by you, clown-shoes.

        • Cliff says:

          Some, classics:

          mondoweiss.net/2010/01/take-me-back-to-my-homeland-even-as-a-rose.html#comment-139415

          mondoweiss.net/2010/01/jews-in-recovery-or-why-liberal-american-jews-might-help-to-imagine-a-binational-future.html#comment-140156

          mondoweiss.net/2010/01/13626.html#comment-140249

          mondoweiss.net/2010/01/the-meritocracy-and-jewish-kinship-networks.html

          Words of wisdom, from the threatening non-Jew pretending to be Jewish, truth-teller, Einstein:

          [...]maybe you should learn what a “Jew” is before you start calling yourself one and speaking in the name of Jewish people.

          every Jew is a Zionist, EVERY JEW, even neturei karta. they are only aggressively anti the modern government of the State of Israel

          a jew is someone who has accepted the yolk of the Kingship

          Finklestein is not a Jew. Like Shmuel, and many others on this site, he only calls himself one.

          Just because his parents almost got baked in German ovens, doesn’t make Norman Finklestein a Jew any more than it makes him a Homosexual or a gypsy.

          and growing up in a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn in post WWII America doesn’t make you a Jew, just as eating bagels with lox and cream cheese does

          Zionism was invented when the Jewish Kingdom was invented.

          BTE, anyone who doesn’t believe there was a Jewish Kingdom is not Jewish…without respect to your parents… no one is born Jewish, they are simply born to Jews. Halakha provides for them as Jews, but if one simply calls oneself a Jew by virtue of their birth, that is racism.

          one need not believe in the law of gravity to observe it, likewise you may not choose to recognize the One and True God, nor may you ever arrive at any meaningful understanding of the One God in this world, this doesn’t mean that God is not there.

          Being Jewish isn’t like Gravity, I said God is like gravity. A real Jew prays to the real God, like a real Muslim, a “so called Jew” doesn’t necessarily even believe in God. However, God’s existence is not subject to who worships him or how. God’s existence is

        • again, i am not Jewish, i am who i said i am.

          the fact that you choose to call me Jewish and accuse me of being one, is proof positive that you are in fact a racist.

          it’s very important that you frame me as a Jew then you can continue your, rather poor, line of arguement that i am a “hasbara” spreader and parrot back the other acceptable covers for your anti Jewish sentiment

          zionism is judaism. it is the essence of the 2500 year old religion. that is a fact. a fact overlooked by anyone who wants to call themself a Jew but doesn’t want to really “be” one

        • also, just because i argued on what the definition of who is a Jew doesn’t mean that I am Jewish myself. I am not. Your multitude of quotes does not prove that I am. for again, I am not.

          I can argue with you about who is an “African-American” as well, it wouldn’t necessarily make me one. You still may consider me one. But I am not, I am FULLY American, my skin color happens to be dark and my hair kinky, but I argue I do not need a qualifier before my “American” as my family can be traced back to America way longer then most of you Caucasian Americans

          anyway, i don’t see the point in arguing this point. it is hardly worthwhile. you should actually address the ISSUES, i brought up, because my arguements have exposed the lies and misinformation you try so hard to convince yourself and others of…

          but you are not capable of free thought you are the real “troll”

        • Citizen says:

          Oh, great, Einsteinsays, Zionism is Judiasm just like Nazism is Germanic. Nice to know.

        • thats your arguement Citizen? you are not ashamed yet?
          you call me a liar without proof! For some weird reason you need me to be Jewish. whatever…

          but no i dont believe nazism is germanic…how did you even arrive at that conclusion. was it just because a Nazi analogy hadn’t been mentioned in 3 posts?

          i would liken it to Judaism without Zionism is like Christians without Jesus.

          does that help you understand better? let me know and I will start posting FACTS to back up the above assertion…something you have never done in any post (i.e. i pwn u troll)

        • Cliff says:

          You came to this blog last month or so, challenging Shumel’s ‘Jewishness’.

          You made ridiculously hateful statements, devoid of logic.

          You kept repeating how a Jew is not really a Jew if they are non/anti-Zionist.

          You didn’t provide any proof of course. Instead, you spouted religious babble.

          You’re employing circular reasoning.

          No one here finds you sane, let alone ‘threatening’. But keep living inside your own little world, clown-shoes.

        • Cliff says:

          it’s very important that you frame me as a Jew then you can continue your, rather poor, line of arguement that i am a “hasbara” spreader and parrot back the other acceptable covers for your anti Jewish sentiment

          Haha. Why is it important? There are plenty of Jewish Zionists here commenting.

          You haven’t even contributed an argument. The first things you wrote on this blog were the typical ‘Judaism = Zionism’ meme.

          Well, of course, it’s tactically useful for Zionists to equate the two. But any reasonable person should know better.

          There is only one reason why ZioTrolls equate Judaism and Zionism. That is because it is a form of emotional blackmail.

          It has to have some usefulness. If both are the same, it doesn’t magically change anything about the history of the conflict. It doesn’t suddenly legitimize ethnic cleansing or racism or colonialism.

          So the obvious aim, of making them the same thing is so Zionists can smear people w/ the antisemitism card. It’s a social taboo.

          Other than that, I don’t see what else you’ve contributed here. You’re like every other ZioTroll on the Net.

        • Cliff says:

          Actually, the burden of proof is on you to explain in detail why Zionism and Judaism is the same.

          You can’t though. All you can do is repeat the line over and over. Great argument. I’m very threatened!

        • here we go: the following are from Jewish prayers and for themost part recited up to several times A DAY!!

          “if I forget thee Jerusalem, I forget my right arm, let my tongue stick to the roof of my mouth if i dont raise you at the height of my hapiness”

          “gather us up from the four corners of the earth and return us to zion”

          “rebuild Jerusalem”

          “return your presence to Jerusalem”

          etc etc etc etc certainly lots of zionistic rhetoric..(especially cause there is no specification whether East or West Jerusalem)

          the prevelance of the theme of Jews returning to their land is in EVERY ASPECT of Jewish daily life….now prove to me there is Judaism WITHOUT Zionism.

        • potsherd says:

          If Jews can’t be Jews without living in Jerusalem, then there were no Jews for the last 2000 years.

          Not to mention the inconvenient fact that the “Jerusalem” created by Ariel Sharon extends far, far beyond the borders of the biblical city. The Jews living in “Jerusalem’s” suburbs aren’t living in the ancient city (may Poseidon level it) at all.

        • Mooser says:

          ” Your multitude of quotes does not prove that I am. for again, I am not”

          I don’t think it was intended to do that, Einstein, but it does an excellent job at showing you up for an idiot, with some really weird religious issues.

  7. the above was said by Kim Ives of Haiti Liberte

    lets not forget that Duvalier was a liberator. He was a populist leader who opposed the 1950 military coup. He championed the plight of the afro-carribean poor rural majority against the racist and corrupt ruling elite.

    He promoted Haitian sovereignty which as we see from kim’s comment has been stripped completely by the occupying forces of Weiss’ own government.

    yet Weiss defends the US supported Haitian coup.

    Seems like Mondoweiss’ers would have supported Duvalier and his movement back then. i guess everyone on this site can pick and choose when they want to be progressive, as long as the end result is the condemnation of Israel, it is all good

    Hypocrites!

    • Cliff says:

      Where did Phil express his support for the coup? Threatened minds want to know.

      • he is voicing his support against Duvalier or rather he supports the israeli journalists condemnation of Israel for helping to arm Duvalier. Duvalier was opposed to the American sponsered coup.

        I make simple for you in mondoweiss talk
        Duvalier supporters = palestinians
        Coup supporters = ZIO- colonialists
        Now Cliffy, understand?

        • Cliff says:

          That’s definitely not a stretch. Bravo, clown-shoes. Your logic is so very threatening.

        • how is that a stretch.

          it is a fact that this excert was posted because Weiss found it interesting, the excert is condemning Israel’s involvement in selling arms to Duvalier.

          Duvalier opposed the US occupation and control.
          Duvalier represented the oppressed people, the rural afro-carribeans (people here on this blog would obviously compare those people to the quintessential victims “the palestinians”)

          here, however, Weiss exposes his ignorance (and that of the Israeli journalist who wrote the piece) as to him it is more important to condemn Israel, then defend human rights and the populist struggle. this is a theme on this website…MondoWeiss’ message is not so much give palestinian rights as it is destroy the evil Zionist regime

        • Cliff says:

          Phil never accepted the US coup. In fact, he hasn’t articulated his views on Haiti in full w/ respect to Duvalier.

          Phil has cited the Israeli reporter’s work here to further undermine the PR extravaganza behind Israel’s Haiti relief operation.

          It’s not that difficult to understand. Israel is a State, and will pursue it’s interests like most States do.

          Since this is an Israel-Palestine blog, it’s natural for Phil to talk about what Israel is doing. So referencing Israel’s past actions is important, in the context of the recent PR effort. It puts some important context into the picture.

          It’s not that difficult to understand, clown-shoes. You’ve just been sniffing the ZioCocaine too long.

        • exactly, Cliff, so re-examine your point
          Phil never accepted the US coup – EXACTLY he (like Duvalier) is for Haitian independence and sovereignty

          Phil has cited the Israeli reporter’s work here to further undermine the PR extravaganza behind Israel’s Haiti relief operation- HOW? if Duvalier was for Haitians and Israel supported Duvalier, then how would this undermine their PR in their relief efforts?

          Israel’s support for Duvalier regime should also be seen as a POSITIVE like their relief efforts in the wake of the quake. Since Duvalier was a populist leader who rejected US and foreign occupation and exploitation of Haiti, Israel sold him weapons.

          So, are you saying Phil shows us this in order to commend Israel in its efforts…. makes sense given the nature of this blog…i think your on to something Clifford..
          now all i have to do to be clever is think of some name as clever as clown shoes…how about “false tooth”?

        • Cliff says:

          The point was that the Haitian regimes that Israel sold arms to, carried out “scandalous” human rights violations.

          This piece of information is juxtaposed to the recent PR effort to undermine the claim that Israel went to Haiti purely out of goodwill.

          Israel’s involvement in Central America follows the same format. They supported harsh brutal regimes that committed lots of atrocities.

        • Cliff says:

          Here, let me quote it again for you:

          But it seems the Israeli involvement in the nation was not always so positive. On Dec. 27, 1982, the US newspaper Christian Science Monitor reported that since 1968 Israel had sold weapons to two Haitian dictators-Francois Duvalier, who became president in 1957; and his son Jean-Claude Duvalier, who succeeded him in 1971. The two, known as “Papa Doc” and “Baby Doc,” controlled and terrorized the country with a private army. On March 27, 1983, the New York Times reported that Israel was among the few countries that had agreed to sell weapons to Baby Doc, and provided him with the long-term payment arrangement that he requested.

        • Hamas carries out scandalous human rights violations but Gaza Freedom Marchers support them, Mondoweissers support them.

          Quoting the position of the Christian Science Monitor declaring Papa Doc to be “terrorizing” haitians is symantics…why do you think the people of Haiti named him PAPA DOC. because of the medical attention he secured for the country’s poor. he was a folk hero. and here you are condemning him as a terrorist. he was a freedom fighter and Israel helped him defeat the US push to regain control in Haiti.

          Can’t you see how hypocritical you are being?

        • Cliff says:

          I’m not being hypocritical, because Mondoweiss readers do not support Hamas. The GFM did not support Hamas.

          Hamas is the government in Gaza, so the GFM had to work w/ them.

          And Efrain Rios Montt is held in high regard by many people in Guatemala. In some cases, even by sectors of the population whom he targeted.

          That doesn’t mean he wasn’t a war criminal and monster.

          Is your argument, that people liked Duvalier hence he didn’t commit human rights abuses?

          When did he get that nickname? When did he go on his human rights abuses spree?

          The point of Phil’s article is simple. This guy carried out gross human rights violations and yet Israel supported him.

          Same thing happened in Guatemala so there is context behind this kind of support from Israel.

          You’re just trying to derail the thread.

  8. Enough tikkun olam:

    Haiti Must Not be Rebuilt

    Short of loopy schemes such as shipping 9 million Haitians back to Africa, however, I propose that the best that we can do at this stage is not to re-build, but to complete the demolition. Subsistence farming, single-story mud dwellings of simple construction, no motorised vehicles, no electricity, no money, no books, no manufactured tools, and, most importantly, no firearms, trade, or Western intervention, is the model to follow. Let Haitians lose all vestiges of European civilisation and re-organise themselves in a manner harmonious with their endowments, sensibilities, and ancestral culture. Let them find their own point of equilibrium, even if it diverges greatly from ours. There is nothing wrong with voodoo or a pre-industrial, agricultural society, if that is what works for the people who live in it.

    link to theoccidentalobserver.net

  9. Avi says:

    Here Israelis reveal their hypocrisy once again.

    While discrimination against Ethiopian Jews is widespread in Israel, they suddenly give two bits about Haitians half way across the world.

    I guess now Haitians in Israel will get to enjoy Israeli hospitality when they board a bus and find that no one wants to sit next to them.

  10. Mooser says:

    “here we go: the following are from Jewish prayers and for themost part recited up to several times A DAY!!”

    Now there is proof positive! Einstein, are you an anti-Semite? If not, stop trying to quote-mine prayers. If you are not Jewish, how on earth do you know, first of all, how many of the world’s remaining Jews say these prayers, and what those prayers mean to them.
    Obviously, the great majority of the world’s Jews want nothing whatsoever to do with Zionism, beyond putting quarters in the blue box.
    Gee Einstein, why don’t you ask the Zionist-Supporters here who are Jewish why they are not in Israel right this minute.

    And you know what? You might as well give all this shit up, pal. It won’t get you anything, and any Jew can see through it to the bigotry and muddled thinking behind it.

    • actually I don’t want to answer. NEVER…

    • Addressing comments from Mooser-

      “are you an anti-Semite? If not, stop trying to quote-mine prayers” – I know you are supposed to be the “bee’s knees” on these forums, but this sentence could have been written by a five year old. it makes no sense. however, i will take a stab at what i think you meant. How does my quoting thine prayers make me an anti-semite? in fact, it shows my tolerance and understanding. However, you do admit that these are, in fact, quotes from Jewish prayers, we agree?!?

      “If you are not Jewish, how on earth do you know” – upset that i know more about “your” religion than you?!? it’s called google and wiki and a million other resources that the internet opened up. However, you do admit that these are, in fact, quotes from Jewish prayers, we agree?!?

      “how many of the world’s remaining Jews say these prayers, and what those prayers mean to them.” – are you suggesting that these prayers which have comprised the Jewish tradition and defined Jews for millenia, are no longer important to Jews? Then what makes one a “Jew”?

      Jewish tradition and prayer is not important to you so doesn’t that mke you elitist, arrogant and not to mention racist for you to consider yourself a “Jew” based not on your beliefs but by virtue of your genetic disposition. furthermore, you are marginilizing and trying to delegitimize those “remaining jews” for whom these traditions and beliefs form the core of their Jewish identity. unlike your birthright, to these jews their identity is derived from their belief in the traditional Jewish religion. Some of these people may have converted to Judaism, does that make them LESS of a Jew then you who are a “pure-breed”? seems a bit racist to me

      “the great majority of the world’s Jews want nothing whatsoever to do with Zionism” – i dont think that is the case at all, look at the facts, if it were only a small minority of Jews that supported Zionism, like you suggest, i doubt that zionists would have been successful in establishing the modern state of israel. please explain your assertion

      “It won’t get you anything, and any Jew can see through it to the bigotry and muddled thinking behind it. ” – Jews like you? or real Jews?

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  12. Cliff says:

    When I get some time later today, I’ll upload some scans from It’s No Secret: Israel’s Military Involvement in Central America.

    Just some more context, in case Israel sends in another PR team to aide the Natives.

    • Cliff says:

      Specifically, Guatemala.

      Anyone here recall Efrain Rios Montt? The born-again psycho former dictator of Guatemala?

      I’ll get to that later.

      • i tell you i agree with you there cliff, but maybe you should be as active protesting and bashing your own government which pressures its little stepchild into selling arms to, among others, the shah in Iran (remember Iran Contra?!? those weapons were shipped from Israel.)

        dont blame israel for supporting america’s neo-imperialism. you can’t play both sides. israel is a victim of america’s neo-imperialism, when the US tells Israel to jump they say “How High?” they work for their 3 Billion…

        • Cliff says:

          I have though. I actually debated some jack-ass who tried to tell me that Islamic fundamentalism was unique. He has in the past referred to Arabs and Muslims as barbarians and savages.

          So I went at length into the Central American counterinsurgency wars. The Sante Fe report. The Reagan Doctrine. Jeanne Kirkpatricks’s essay in Commentary about why supporting a government like the Shah is relatively ‘better’ than blah blah blah.

          I was going to go into detail about the symbiotic relationship between Christian fundamentalists and ‘multinational corporate greed’ as evidenced in Nelson Rockefeller and Evangelism in the Age of Oil.

          One of the glaringly obvious examples was Rios Montt, the born-again Christian dictator of Guatemala. During his brief reign, thousands of indigenous Mayans was specifically targeted and massacred in what became known as the Mayan genocide or Mayan Holocaust (physical and cultural destruction of Mayan society).

          The Christian Right funded these military juntas. W/ respect to Rios Montt, they provided him w/ PR support and counter-activism (against the peace movement) and funded his ‘pacification centers’ (model villages). These were essentially, concentration camps where the survivors of the massacres were taken to.

          Naturally, the Christian fundies were given something in return. In many of these camps, they had the authority to ‘re-educate’ the surviving Mayans.

          It’s a very well-documented piece of history that I doubt many Americans know about.

          Suicide bombing is easy to understand, emotionally, intellectually, etc.

          However, the way in which a Christian fundamentalist psycho can legitimately channel their political aspirations is much more complex and requires more patience (relatively, in and of itself it requires nothing, just READ!).

          But idiots like to bash Muslims and Arabs because it’s just too easy in our society.

          This blog is about Israel/Palestine.

          If you don’t like that focus, then go elsewhere. It’s that simple.

        • Cliff says:

          Oh and of course, I’m not implying that Israel supported brutal military juntas in Central America arbitrarily.

          But the actual reasons are no better too.

          The point to make is that Israel’s supporters present Israel like a human being. W/ ‘feelings’.

          Israel is a State.

          And as you said, it’s ‘earning’ that money from the US.

          I agree. These are complex power structures. Israel is not a ‘light unto the nations’ – it’s a State. A political entity. States have interests and they pursue them.

          That does not make what they do any less or more moral though and their are real consequences to these actions.

          With respect to Guatemala – I’ll get into that later.

  13. Cliff says:

    It’s No Secret: Israel’s Military Involvement in Central America, written by Milton H. Jamail and Margo Gutierrez. Published in 1986.

    I’ll focus on Guatemala only.

    Part One

    Brief synopsis on their methodology:

    Much of the available information is redundant, i.e. the same fact are found in a dozen articles, all leading back to the same source. We have attempted to provide the best documentation available – or at least the most acceptable to a North American audience. Thus the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Time, Newsweek, NBC, ABC, and CBS are among the sources most often cited. We also sought out Israeli press accounts, newsletters from Central America, and the Mexico City press. We have evaluated the information on Israeli military involvement in the region from our perspective as Central Americanists.

    Israel in Guatemala

    It would be easy to conclude that Israel is simply acting as a proxy for the U.S. in Guatemala. However, it is worth stressing that the independent foreign policy agendas of Israel and the United States coincide quite neatly in Guatemala.

    Although Israel points to its early special relationship with Guatemala, it is important to note that that relationship began between a progressive government in Guatemala and what was perceived by the Guatemalans as an anti-colonial struggle in Palestine. The situation has changed considerably in the ensuing forty years. Guatemala’s military dictatorship of today is the direct descendant of a right-wing military dictatorship of today is the direct descendant of a right-wing government that took power in 1954 by overthrowing the government that had forged such good relations with Israel.

    And Israel, in turn, is now broadly allied with conservative (e.g., United States) and reactionary (e.g., South Africa) regimes. Today it is an alliance between an Israel which wants or needs to please the U.S., requires a market for its arms, and seeks allies at the UN, and a repressive Guatemala which needs military assistance. In 1981 Israeli ambassador to Guatemala, Moshe Dayan (no relation to the late defense minister) hailed Guatemala as “one of our best friends.” The following year, a Guatemala City political and business leader told Los Angeles Times reporter Dial Torgerson, “We’re isolated internationally. The only friend we have left in the world is Israel.”

    • Cliff says:

      Part Two

      Israeli Weapons in Guatemala

      Although Guatemalan military officials visited Israel as early 1964, it was not until after a 1975 trip, ostensibly seeking assistance in agricultural co-operatives, that Israel became a major military supplier for Guatemala. That year Great Britain persuaded the U.S. to hold back on arms sales to Guatemala, because providing weapons could threaten Guatemala’s neighbors (and Britain’s colony) Belize. Israel filled in by delivering a number of Arava aircraft, Uzi submachine guns and a variety of heavier arms including bazookas.

      Faced with a military aid cutoff from the U.S. in 1977 because of a “consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights,” the Guatemalans once again turned to Israel. Within three months, Guatemala began to receive large shipments of Israeli-made weapons. From 1977 to the present, the U.S. has sold virtually no military equipment to Guatemala. In turn, Israel has become the main source of armaments for Guatemala. After 1977, Guatemala changed its standard military weapons from the Garand M-1 to the Israeli Galil assault rifle. Ironically, by 1981 the Guatemalan insurgency movement’s standard weapons had also become the Galil, obtained by stealing or buying it from the Guatemalan military, or by purchasing it on the black market.

      Initally, Israeli’s arms sales to Guatemala were secret. However in 1977, the government of Barbados seized a ship loaded with 65 tons of Israeli guns destined for Guatemala. Later that year, a private plane traveling from Portugal to Guatemala landed in Bridgetown, Barbados for mechanical reasons. The local police, having been advised by British intelligence, inspected the plane and found 26 tons of arms and ammunition from Israel. Occasionally, the Guatemalan press will report the arrival of ships loaded with arms for the Guatemalan military, but notice of purchases of small arms, ammunition and electronic equipment usually goes unreported publicly.

      The sale of heavier military equipment, however, is easier to detect. One of Guatemala’s major purchases from Israel is the Arava aircraft, used extensively in the Guatemalan counterinsurgency effort. Since 1975 Guatemala has bought seventeen Arava. Israel Aircraft Industries describes it as a “passenger/cargo versatile aircraft that solves the transportation problems of inaccessible developing regions,” and adds, “it also enables police units to control more effectively large areas with small units having limited ground transport.” Although Guatemala did use the Arava for its agricultural development for its agricultural development programs, its main purpose is military in nature. Former Guatemalan army chief of staff General Benedicto Lucas Garcia, a brother of President Romeo Lucas Garcia, stated in a 1986 interview that “Israel helped us in regard to plans and transportation – which we desperately needed because we had problems in transferring ground forces from one place to another.” When asked if he was referring to the Arava, he remarked “Yes, to Avara planes.” As early as 1979, Cynthia Arnson wrote in The Nation that “The Guatemalans have equipped their ten Avaras with forward-firing machine guns and underwing carriers for gunships.”

      SIRPI calculates that between 1975 and 1979, 39 percent of Guatemala’s arms imports were from Israel.

      • Cliff says:

        Continued

        General Benedictor Lucas Garcia recently commented, “While Israel did not provide us with large amounts [of arms], it was the only country that gave us military support in our battle against the guerrillas.” There is little doubt that Israel now provides almost all of the small arms (including machine guns and automatic weapons) used by the Guatemalan military. As early as 1981, James Nelson Goodsell reported in the Christian Science Monitor that Guatemala “made substantial new purchases of weapons from Israel, long its biggest weapons supplier, for $20 million this year.” Christopher Dickey reported in the Washington Post that Israeli Galil rifles were now “standard issue,” and Leslie Gelb wrote in the New York Times that “almost all of the Guatemalan armed forces carry Uzi submachine guns and Galil rifles.” The respected Jane’s Publishing Company reported in a 1984 publication that “Israeli influence remains strong and the Guatemalan military is now primarily equipped with personal weapons and equipment of Israeli origin.”

        By 1982 Israel had delivered at least 11 Arava, 10 RBY Mk armored cars, 15,000 Galil rifles, and four field kitchens. In early 1984, Guatemala purchased 12,000 rifles from Israel, ostensibly to be used for “training purposes.” It is likely that they were intended for use by the civil patrols in the Guatemalan military’s counterinsurgency effort. Israeli government officials claimed that the rifles “were not a government-to-government transaction,” and added that they were sold by a former partner of David Marcos Katz, the Israeli Aircraft Industries representative in Mexico. In addition to the above, by December of 1984 Guatemala reportedly had received an additional three Dabur patrol boats, hundreds of tons of light arms and ammunition, bazookas, 81-mm mortars, grenade launchers, and Uzi submachine guns.

        • Cliff says:

          There’s a lot more.

          I might just scan the rest and link them here. I’ll also link some stuff about the Rios Montt regime, which Israel supported.

          I’ll just do it in one post later w/ links, so it’s not spam.

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