J Street ran a full page ad in today’s (Monday) NY Times which included this graphic. I was struck by the lack of a clear distinction, although one is present, between the West Bank and pre 1967 Israel. This graphic shows:
a. J Street cleverly is presenting a nuanced image that illustrates its pragmatic approach to a problem which has been a source of misunderstanding between two peoples.
b. J Street is not willing to clearly draw the distinction, which seeks volumes about the organization.
c. The graphics department at J Street has created a map which does not necessarily represent the position of J Street.
d. Nothing, since nothing special was intended or signified by this graphic.
e. None of the above.
The Gaza Strip doesn’t seem to have any shading, whatever minimal shading the West Bank has in that map. That’s odd.
a.
that is all i have to say at this time.
Thank heaven for small favors.
The text says more about their intentions than does the graphic:
Apparently, the great thinkers at J-Street don’t see the contradiction between Jewish AND democratic and they further do not know that Israel is only 80% Jewish.
Nonsense. It’s long overdue and it’s too-little-too-late.
More nonsense. When was the last time “Palestinians …incited violence”?
That’s akin to coming out with a statement saying: “It’s time for Jews to stop controlling the media and the banks.”
Nevermind the daily raping and pillaging those same colonial settlers inflict on the Palestinians under the protection of the Israeli army, eh?
The bottom line is this: J-Street is nothing but an extension of AIPAC and they seem to be Zionist at heart, much like AIPAC.
I gotta agree with Avi here. The text is much more of a problem than the graphic. According to J Street, its Obama’s responsibility to come up with a two-state plan, and its “the Palestinians” who have to stop inciting violence. I find the use of “the” particularly offensive. Really, if they had said instead, “Its time for the Jews to end incitement to violence,” people would be all over them for overgeneralizing and blaming all Jews for the actions of some. No, I take that back, even without “the” in the sentence, people would be all over them for stating the fact that some Jews in Israel actually incite violence. But its OK to blame all Palestinians, and only Palestinians, for the violence that ensues from the occupation.
And then we finally get to Israel’s responsibilty, which, according to J Street, is merely a failure to constrain “extremist settlers”. No acknowledgement the the settlement project has always been promoted and bankrolled first and foremost by the Israeli government, not just by “extremist settlers”, and that although the extremists have contributed to the overt violence (not mentioned by J Street, who only blames Palestinians for violence), the continued theft of Palestinian land is the major impediment to a two-state solution, and that is all the responsibility of successive Israeli governments, both “left” and right. But J Street won’t admit that.
J Street lacks balls or brains, or maybe both.
Maybe J Street should look at the current casualty reports to figure out where the violence is actually coming from.
The more the Palestinians embrace a policy of nonviolence, the more violent the Israeli reaction. Yet the Clintonista talking points haven’t changed since 1990.
J Street lacks balls or brains, or maybe both.
Nope. J Street knows exactly what it’s doing. It’s putting a softer, more politically correct face on Israel’s crimes. It’s primary purpose is to give the illusion of diversity of opinion, when it comes to the crux of the matters pertaining to the conflict (as the recent video highlighting the conversation between Dershowitz and J-Street founder highlighted), the group is firmly entrenched in the ideologies of right-wing Zionism.
This scapegoating of the so-called “extremist settlers” is one that exposes the deeper bias of J-Street. It implicitly rejects any complicity with the Israeli government and its public support, thus placing the blame squarely on one extremist group. We are to believe that this extremist subset of the Israeli population is to blame for the ills of the settlement project. The rest of the moderate settlers, just want to remove the indigenous population of Palestine and live on stolen land peacefully.
“More nonsense. When was the last time “Palestinians …incited violence”?”
The last time they launched a missile into Israel. Probably a few minutes ago.
The truth hurts, wouldn’t it, Julian… if you weren’t so racist and myopic that you could see it.
Last week the PA was spreading lies about the dedication of the Hurva synagogue and making it into an assault on Haram el Sharif. That was incitement based on a lie.
The Israelis have a history of destroying Palestinian structures in order to “reclaim their Jewish history.” The Palestinians have a first-hand experience of it. They live within its daily occurrence and suffer for its consequences. To react to the synagogue in the way they did is not incitement based on a lie but a very possible reality and precautionary measures taken towards that.
Oh, so you deny that the Israeli government severely restricts access to al-Aqsa and other mosques in Jerusalem while favoring new construction — let alone access — of synagogues?
Go ahead, WJ. Deny it.
f. J-Street is Colmes to AIPAC’s Hannity.
Exactly. The illusion of choice.
I’d go with option F as well. I’ve seen no sort of sincerity coming out of J-Street thus far.
Has everyone had enough analogies? No? J-Street is the other side of the AIPAC coin.
You see, if the clock is not recognized soon the end result may be more like this –
TIC, TIC, TIC…
What are you going to do when you find out I am right?
Oh sorry, my tic tic had no toc, here you go –
TIC, TIC, TIC…
f. It’s a clever sale for a new Israeli egg timer.
Good answer! Ask Benny Morris. When you’re breaking eggs to make an omelet, you really need a timer.
Didn’t the Israelis invent the egg timer?
whatever happened to the miracle heart monitor?
f. Same old Stuff
Wow, Bret Stevens is getting very creative. .
“The following note was discovered aboard the plane that brought Benjamin Netanyahu to Washington yesterday. It appears to be the Israeli prime minister’s personal talking points—editing marks and all—for his meeting today with President Obama. Handwriting experts are unable to confirm the note’s authenticity.”
link to online.wsj.com
a. J Street is rather irrelevant – it is a symptom rather than a solution
b. Maps, shmaps – they matter little under occupation and without equal application of the law
c. It is the final minute – the final minute for a Jewish state – only a pluralistic society that ends the official racism and exceptionalism for Jews in its laws will result in peace – equal rights for all, that’s the solution
“only a pluralistic society that ends the official racism and exceptionalism for Jews in its laws will result in peace “
So you are suggesting an amnesty for all Israeli administrative and war criminals? The tremendous advantages Western Jews have in Israel, and their willingness to increase them by crime, and their disregard for the others, will not go away.
This is getting silly, first we look to an incompetent war criminal, Petreaus, as a hero, and now we figure the Israelis will turn all nice if there’s a power shift.
C’mon, we’re not dealing with white South Africans here, these are Israelis.
Actually I think the conversion of Israel to a postzionist democracy would indeed make a huge difference, and it certainly wouldn’t be fitting to describe this as ‘a power shift’. It would cause big changes in the relations with the neighbors as well as in the power of the military industrial complex. I would agree that the Palestinians will still need more protection from the Israeli Jews than the other way round though.
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Off topic a bit but I just watched a great video linked at Max Ajl’s website:
Targeted Citizen
about the Palestinian citizens of Israel.
On second thought, maybe its not so off-topic. After all the J Street ad made this claim:
For Israel, it’s existential — the only way Israel can remain both Jewish and democratic.
There is no way for Israel to be Jewish and democratic, in the sense that Israel describes itself as “Jewish”. Its failed for 60 years to be truly democratic for its citizens who aren’t Jewish. That is besides its treatment of those it lords over in the occupied territories. Even if Israel ends the occupation, something that doesn’t appear to be even a speck on the horizon, there is still the problem of its oppression of its own citizens.
My take on this is at odds with every comment I have read so far. Israel, for whatever reason, has become increasingly troublesome to it’s imperial sponsor. It feels that it can do this because of the power of the Zionist lobby. Without the lobby, Israel’s relation to the U.S. would be considerably different. The loyalty of the lobby to Israel, taken as a given by most, is, in my opinion, not absolute. The American Jewish elite support Israel to the degree that they perceive it benefits them. Putting aside the reality that ideology takes on a life of its own, not only do many non-elite Jews feel that Israel has become a problem, but some elements of the Jewish elite are also beginning to feel this way. The spiritual center of Zionism is Israel, the center of Zionist power is the U.S. My interpretation of the message is this: Israel, your actions have become sufficiently counter-productive to U.S. geo-strategy that you are in danger of losing American Jewish Zionist support.
“…but some elements of the Jewish elite are also beginning to feel this way.”
You may be right Keith, but I see no signs yet – but definitely when the elite move the government follows. On the contrary what I think we are seeing is the plea that what is going on has become too obvious, not like the cautions that have previously been taken – too sloppy. It may not be the drop out of the elite, it might just be their displeasure of the course. However you are correct, if they (the elite) blink their eyes, our governmental whores are all over their desires, so something is obviously going on, but it is no death knell as of yet.
RE: Take the ‘J Street’ map test
MY TAKE -
This graphic shows:
e. None of the above.
“It’s Time” – J Street
I think the ‘concept’ behind this graphic is “one minute till midnight”. Midnight being the one state; a nation-state that is not Jewish and democratic. In other words, if a two-state solution is not implemented very soon, it will be too late. If something isn’t done the ‘alarm clock’ will very shortly be ‘ringing in’ the one state as pictured on the face of the clock. In this context, it makes sense that the graphic would not highlight any demarcation between Israel and the territories occupied by Israel in ’67.
P.S. Do I get a ’100′, or only an ‘A+’?
I will add that the retro, ‘nautical style’ alarm clock was very common back during the time when the menschen who run AIPAC were young lads. It is meant to evoke childhood memories of being awakened in the morning to get ready for school. Comprenez-vous?
P.S. Am I good, or what?
Yeah, I’d like to believe J-Street believes in a one state solution that doesn’t entail rounding up the Palestinians and driving them out (or under…) their own homeland.
Yes DICKERSON3870 is very good, and gets “A” in my school. The GRAPHIC is a minute-before-midnight, a graphic idea borrowed from The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists who used 5-minutes before midnight to describe the nuclear threat way back when.
The TEXT is something else. To speak of “Jewish and democratic” is to repeat a “politically correct” slogan (PC, that is, inside Zionist circles), a slogan clearly contrary to fact.
Israel’s self-proclaimed “right” to exist as a predominantly Jewish state reflects a wish of some Jewish Israelis and others but has no history or law to back it up. Instead, it is a recipe for further expulsions. However, it is used (in a sort of probably ill-fated attempt to use “Judo” against the hard-line Zionists) to try to get some HLZs to agree to give up on the OPTs rather than allow Israel to become non-Jewish-majority (or non-democrratic). (Ill-fated because HLZs don’t care about “democratic”.)
I think you might be right Dickerson
I’ll decide who’s right! (lol)
NOTE: This is a ‘play’ on the story of Fritz Lang being summoned to the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda to meet with Josef Goebbels.
FROM IMDB: …According to Lang himself, on 25 March 1933, two days after Das Testament des Dr. Mabuse (1933) had been banned, he was summoned to the Nazi Ministry of Propaganda to meet with Josef Goebbels himself. Goebbels explained the reason for the ban (the Nazi party slogans are fed into the mouth of the villain at the film’s conclusion) and apologized to Lang. He then shocked Lang by offering him the position of production supervisor at the UFA studios, where his first film would be a biography of Wilhelm Tell. Lang claims he suspected a trap and attempted to throw off Goebbels by telling him, “My mother had Jewish parents,” to which Goebbels responded, “We’ll decide who’s Jewish!” …
SOURCE – link to imdb.com
I’m not sure this isn’t what Dickerson3870 is saying, or indeed this isn’t what a couple others are saying as well, but to me this is just a blatant variant of the famous “daisy-counting” ad LBJ ran against Goldwater. I.e., “1 2 3 4 …” counting towards a mushroom cloud being the same message as this graphic conveys that “tick tock tick tock” goes the clock towards the inconceivable horror of jews in Israel having to rub shoulders with non-jews in a one-state solution.
No?
Well, that’s right. If you’re going to spend a lot of money on a high profile ad why make it so ambiguous? Unless it’s at least intended as a subterfuge dog whistle to all the people who might “get” the real intended message. Too clever by half.
Nice clock. I know I want one.
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