And you're worried about New York Times correspondent Ethan Bronner's son joining the IDF? Well the other New York Times correspondent, Isabel Kershner, is an Israeli married to an Israeli, Hirsh Goodman, and below is Goodman's take on the Mavi Marmara bloodbath.
Goodman is a journalist and author, now at Tel Aviv University. Note that he seems to think that the Gaza onslaught of 08-09 was just fine. This is a measure of the degradation of the lib-left in Israeli society.
The excerpt, in which Goodman laments the fact that "materials showing the brutal attack on the Israeli commandos were withheld" by the government for several hours:
It seems that a major reason for withholding the pictures may have been the concern in the military that their disclosure would lead to demoralization in the army, not to speak of public criticism. In consequence, the military, with appropriate government approval, withheld the videos, a correct decision perhaps from the army's perspective, but a bad one for the country's international relations....
Both in Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, which led to the Goldstone commission, and in this incident, the need for materials that will help Israel make its case are crucial. This is no longer a question of image, but in the context of post-Goldstone realities and the concerted campaign to besmirch Israel and de-legitimize the country, it is probably as important, if not more so, than the conventional battles Israel faces. As a result of this campaign, Israel faces economic, artistic, and academic embargoes, continuous attacks in the UN, and other world forums. It undermines our allies, especially in the Arab world, where anti-Israel sentiment it at a peak, and embarrasses our friends.
It is time for those in the intelligence and security communities to switch gear when it comes to information sharing. There is a growing awareness that this is needed, but concrete action in this regard still needs to be taken. Israel has in place the necessary public diplomacy structures to make Israel's case effectively. But without ammunition they are powerless.
I had heard that Kershner was married to an Israeli, and did not think too much about it, feeling that the ineptitude and bias in her articles was far more important than her spouse. However, I had no idea she was married to such a wing-nut. Goodman’s article is shocking. To me, this is far worse than Bronner’s son joining the IDF, though I’m not sure I could articulate why.
yes, maybe if the israel gov weren’t such flagrant liars we could trust them. but they are and we don’t.
The Israeli Hall of Mirrors?
The Hasbara cult – these people need deprogramming!
Clearly he’s delusional. Perhaps it’s what they call “Jerusalem Syndrome”. Or possibly it’s a consequence of living in the “Dissociative State of Israel” for too long. Or maybe both (the double whammy)! Poor Isabel!
Jerusalem syndrome – link to en.wikipedia.org
Dissociation – link to en.wikipedia.org
Does anyone believe that the Times does not recognize its responsibilities as a member of Israel’s media fifth column in the US?
Until the Times fires both Bronner and Kershner OR hires their equivalent on the other side–for example an active member of Hamas or Hezbollah, all claims of objectivity deserve to be laughed out of court.
It might work if they weren’t so awful at it. Israeli society and their cultural output has become so racist, they don’t recognize it for what it is.
This just showed up on youtube. It appears to have been made by the same talented dolts who made “We Con the World.”
They’re trying as hard as they can, they’ve got the best writers they can get and still, the award for pure comic class has to go to the
link to cnas.org
Annie pointed out earlier
I’ve seen very funny stuff that lacerates my own politics many times I don’t think they’ve got a valid enough basic statement to really connect a simple solid gag. Is anyone aware of any surviving Jewish humor from Nazi Germany, I find it impossible to believe the situation would not have produced some comedic resistance.
Defend Israel! Deploy the lies!
So , eh, Isabel Kershner’s writings are balancing her husbands writing. See, everything is OK.
“Fox news gives you both sides of the story. The President’s AND the vice President’s. ”
Stephen Colbert
Colbert’s Michael Oren interview was great for the last question.
Colbert:
I want to say that I repudiate what Helen said. She’s a friend, but I repudiate everything she said. “Go back to Poland, go back to Germany.” That’s ridiculous. Israel is for Israelis. If anything, the Palestinians should go back to where they came from. (Audience laughs, as Oren hesitates.) Do you agree? Do you agree, sir? It’s time to get them back to wherever that was?
Oren:
Alas I don’t agree. I think there’s room for both of us to share this homeland: Palestinians living in their homeland, Israelis living in their homeland, in a position of permanent and legitimate peace.
Yes, great piece. You may repeat it again, or I can. Like: “If anything, the Palestinians should go back to where they came from.”
It brings us back to the question how long and for what ends the zionist have been busy with misrepresenting the facts.
Who among them can be believed historically ?
Few Zionists can even rightly be believed when they call themselves Christians and Jews:
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor
You shall not steal
You shall not murder
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not make for yourself an idol
You shall have no other gods before Me
Zionism is nothing but an idol for which heathens covet, steal, murder, and bear false witness for in their deranged quest to serve that golden calf in rejection of God.
According to author Grace Halsell, Christian Zionists believe that “Every act taken by Israel is orchestrated by God, and should be condoned, supported…”
Otherwise they simply await the engathering–and fund Israel right or wrong. Gott ist mit Uns.
Funny, but I never found such a notion in scripture. What bible are they reading?
They quote ” He who blesses thee I will bless thee and he who course thee I will curse thee. ” It’s somewhere in the Old Testament, maybe Genesis. Of course, the rational question a Christian should ask these Christian Zionist would be ” So, Christian Zionist does that mean Jesus and Paul are in hell.” And do you really believe Jesus would approve of our country the United States of Foreign Mass Murder. Israeli is chump change compared to our actions in the Middle East. Yes, they are one and the same I understand.
Perhaps someone should announce that the rapture is imminent and will take place in Gaza and that the Rapturees have to approach Gaza in boats…………………..
Is Chas Freeman still muzzled?
I am not interested in their search of their God. I am more keen to find out what the non -Zionist have to say on rise and subsequent behavior of Hitler , atrocities of Bolsheviks, Zionist deling with Mussolini,money laundering to Truman and to L B Johnson’s election camapign and on death of Kennedy. If history could be altered so shamelessly today, I am sure it was altered by them before in broad daylight.
I understand religion remains a potent force multiplier of the Zionist message. This is what Schumer has to say-” “Palestinian people still don’t believe in the Jewish state, in a two-state solution,” and also that “they don’t believe in the Torah, in David.” in a speech at an Orthodox Union event in Washington, D.C. -www.antiwar.com
traintosiberia,
Excellent point, and one I have come to since the 2006 war on Lebanon. If history could be altered so shamelessly today, I am sure it was altered by them before in broad daylight.
Check this out. It’s homemade, but stick through it.
link to whtt.org
“they don’t believe in the Torah, in David.”
!!! A congressman? In a country that has separation of church and state as a basic tenet?
Besides that, his comment demonstrates the fact that our country has separation of reality and state as an unspoken tenet, as In fact; both Muslims and Christians consider Torah to be Divine revelation, and David a prophet of God.
Speaking of changing history…Don’t forget that Arlen Darlin Spector our wonderful PA Senator offered an official explanation of Kennedy’s assassination with his “single bullet theory” Perhaps he could examine the evidence surrounding the six missing passengers of the Turkish ship and come up with a theory about that. Maybe they were raptured!
It’s very strange there is no mention of them by Israel, Turkey, the US, the Freedom Flotilla…no one. Why isn’t anyone investigating who they were, where they were from and what the hell happened to them. They must be a large piece of an interesting puzzle.
Has a country or group enforced silence surrounding the subject? I haven’t heard one question asked about them, which is very strange. I would think at least one passenger could shed some light on the subject? Mondoweiss is about the only place I’ve seen it discussed.
The “single bullet theory” is no more absurd than the “jets demolish buildings theory”, but our establishment thrives on obfuscating such facts, and much of our society is content to oblige them. For those interested in doing otherwise, I recommend starting here.
There was the initial report of 19 dead.
yes..extremely peculiar. I haven’t even heard the flotilla spokespeople state that their registered passengers are or are not all accounted for.
bizarre.
Bulent Yildirim, the IHH leader on board the Mavi Marmara, has certainly said the Israelis ‘disposed’ of extra bodies:
link to kavkazcenter.com
Exactly six, missing presumed dead, are still missing from the ship’s manifest.
They are probably at home in Israel, drinking Maccabi beer and celebrating their successful infiltration of the peace convoy.
Who else could supply those plasticised booklets found on Israeli commandos identifying targets or people not to be shot out of hand?
Hirsh Goodman was formerly a military affairs correspondent. In Israel, military reporters are stenographers for official policy. You don’t get access to the top brass without agreeing to serve the military’s interests.
I would have been quite happy to read the Hirsh Goodman story, but I am not prepared to sit around indefinitely while “Right Side News” loads up its widgets and its tweetme and all the other crap that it has to get from other servers, so I gave up and didn’t bother.
Hirsh and Isabel: A moser and rodef husband and wife team. Gotta hand it to the Sulzbergers – they know how to pick ‘em.
Hirsh Goodman says in his blog:
“It seems that a major reason for withholding the pictures may have been the concern in the military that their disclosure would lead to demoralization in the army… In consequence, the military, with appropriate government approval, withheld the videos, a correct decision perhaps from the army’s perspective…”
Hey, I thought these IDF types were supposed to be pretty tough hombres. But, no, Hirsh implies that the poor, psychologically fragile troops are going to require a psychotherapist for every brigade to provide crisis counseling–should a soldier be so unfortunate to see a wounded or dead comrade. Give me a break, Mr. Goodman! Sounds to me that the greater risk is that the pictures could lead increasingly brutal treatment of unarmed old men, women, and children by the IDF, and that such treatment will ignite still another firestorm of justifable criticism.