Sullivan: end US aid to Israel

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Jailbreak? How many others will echo this theme?

it doesn’t seem sensible to me to keep rewarding an ally that refuses to offer minimal cooperation. I also favor the US laying out its own preferred solution, perhaps as a way to recognize a Palestinian state in the UN… it’s time for the US to assert its own interests and goals.

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  1. Antidote
    December 7, 2010, 8:50 pm

    “I favor an end to aid for Israel because a) Israel doesn’t need it and b) we need the money and c) it doesn’t seem sensible to me to keep rewarding an ally that refuses to offer minimal cooperation.”

    If a and b are true, the US is in more of a bind than Israel. Most of the annual 4 billion buys weapons made in the US where jobs are at stake. Nobody will care about c. If Obama is getting uppity with Israel on aid, they’ll go somewhere else. Canada and various EU states will probably be happy to step in.

    • Antidote
      December 7, 2010, 8:51 pm

      3 billion

      • Citizen
        December 8, 2010, 3:57 am

        Total aid to Israel is in the trillions over the years–highest foreign aid recipient in US history by far; it’s buried in a myriad of US budgets covering way more than military products. The actual cost to US taxpayers is way more than what can be seen by simply dividing 3 billion direct aid to come to the cost per US taxpayer each year. To get some sense of it, read the text at: link to wrmea.org

        Imagine if you ad in the cost of our war with Iraq, which arguably was a war in behalf Israel. Don’t even think about the cost if a war ensues with Iran.

      • Citizen
        December 8, 2010, 4:09 am

        Further, all aid to Israel is made by Uncle Sam with borrowed money, all deficit spending. The same can be said for all federal funds given to individual Americans, but the average Jewish Israeli in facts gets more US federal aid than the average American. Look at who sits on all the congressional seats that control this funding to Israel. They know, but nothing to see here, Joe & Jane Blow. link to ifamericansknew.org

    • Gellian
      December 7, 2010, 9:45 pm

      You’re touching here on a point that is clearly not understood by many folks, Antidote. Virtually all of that money that we give to the Israelis gets spent on American-made stuff or services. I didn’t realize (or believe) that was true until an Israeli acquaintance was explaining to me how he had to buy every single thing his office needed — pens, paper, paperclips, all the way down the line to the weapons — from American sources.

      Which of course is still infuriating, but not quite in the same way as if we were just giving the Israelis money and they were using it to buy houses and cars to ride around in. From my point of view it’s even more outrageous that we keep borrowing money from China to give to the Israelis to spend on American companies. I mean, why not just vote the subsidies to the American companies, like we do to the farmers, and be open about what we’re doing?

      My guess is that wouldn’t fly, any more than my support for cutting off farm subsidies ever will. It just ain’t going to happen. That is the grand power of …lobbies!

      • Shingo
        December 7, 2010, 10:04 pm

        Gellian,

        Why do I get the feeling you’re going out of your way to play dumb?

        Yes, the 3 billion we give Israel in cash is conditional on them using it to buy American made weapons. It’s old news.

        The also go out of our way to line Israel’s pockets by giving them the money up front, so that they collect the interest on it. This arrangement is unique to Israel.

        The other thing we give them are loan guarantees to the tune of billions every year. Loan guarantees is code for money they don’t have to pay back, but it remains off the books.

        Then there’s the aid we pay to countries like Egypt to stay in line and be nice to Israel – anther 4-5 billion.

      • Potsherd2
        December 7, 2010, 10:39 pm

        The point is that when influential people are making money from a situation, that situation will be perpetuated. This is why the situation was set up the way it was, so it could not be terminated.

      • Gellian
        December 7, 2010, 10:50 pm

        “Why do I get the feeling you’re going out of your way to play dumb?”

        Dumb I may be, but never on purpose. I’m not sure that I’m missing anything or didn’t know about any of the things you say. My point was that, the Israelis really do have to spend the money on American-made things. I always assumed that was sort of bullshit and that that was what they just told us. Untrue, says my Israeli acquaintance. They have to keep detailed records of everything, even the little stuff.

        As for money to Egypt (etc.), I’d love to cut all that off, too. But that’s the political calculus. It’s cheaper to pay them off than to go over there and have to fight a war. Simple as that. Do I like it? Of course not. Would I rather us have to fight another war in the middle east that could cost in the trillions? Not if we can pay a few billion to avoid it.

      • annie
        December 7, 2010, 10:54 pm

        It’s cheaper to pay them off than to go over there and have to fight a war. Simple as that.

        flush this out for me gellian. what war.

      • Gellian
        December 7, 2010, 11:02 pm

        Are you serious? There is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. We want it to stay in place because if it fails, we’ll have to go in and help fight, with the Israelis, against Egypt.

        Paying off countries to prevent wars is the name of the game. This is what we do with North Korea, routinely. Egypt isn’t as baldly corrupt as NK. But it sits athwart oil resources in the region that are extremely valuable to U.S. interests, and the last thing we want in the region is another war, especially one that involves us.

        I hope that flushed (fleshed?) things out for you, Annie.

      • annie
        December 7, 2010, 11:06 pm

        There is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. We want it to stay in place because if it fails, we’ll have to go in and help fight, with the Israelis, against Egypt.

        are you suggesting egypt doesn’t blockade gaza out of it’s own interest?

      • annie
        December 7, 2010, 11:09 pm

        maybe we’re paying egypt to not be democratic(horrors).

      • annie
        December 7, 2010, 11:13 pm

        we’ll have to go in and help fight, with the Israelis, against Egypt.

        obviously we do not have to intercede on israel’s behalf. iow, you agree we’re paying egypt for israel’s peace? is that really our job? iow, it really is not 3 billion for israel, is it?

      • Shingo
        December 7, 2010, 11:23 pm

        “My point was that, the Israelis really do have to spend the money on American-made things.”

        Where else are they going to buy their weapons? Especially seeing as Israel gets to back engineer those weapons and sell them to the Chinese.

        “They have to keep detailed records of everything, even the little stuff.”

        So what?

        “It’s cheaper to pay them off than to go over there and have to fight a war. ”

        That’s assuming we would have to fight a war, which you seem to be taking for granted.

        “Not if we can pay a few billion to avoid it.”

        Paying billions isn’t stopping us from heading towards war with Iran.

      • Antidote
        December 8, 2010, 12:10 am

        I don’t see that as mutually exclusive, annie. Sure, Mubarak wants to keep the Muslim Brotherhood at bay and has no interest to unleash the demons of democracy onto himself, but why turn down a bribe to blockade Gaza? Hey, that’s not even a bribe any more, it’s the ideal job: get paid for doing what you want to do.

      • Antidote
        December 8, 2010, 12:23 am

        I remember reading about the Israeli cabinet ministers suggesting that the US pay of Israel’s entire national debt at the time in exchange for signing the peace treaty with Egypt. Apparently Begin turned this down with the argument that a historic peace treaty like this could not be based on money. Makes you wonder whether that was the real reason, especially in light of Netanyahu spreading tall tales about receiving free fighter jets, UN vetoes and what not from Obama for a 3 mths settlement freeze extension. That offer was never put in writing and unlikely ever made. Looks like Netanyahu just wanted to manipulate the US by going public with this. At any rate, it seems to be expected that the US pays for Israel to act in her own interest. Peace, for instance. Here’s an interview by Halper with some good explanations, I think, how the ‘special relationship’ works. Note esp. the latter part, on the arms industry, how AIPAC controls MoC, and why the whole public discourse on Israel, including the anti-semitism hysteria, has nothing to do with the political and economic forces at work here

        link to fromoccupiedpalestine.org

      • maggielorraine
        December 8, 2010, 1:11 am

        israel is our ally, therefore we must pay off israel’s neighbors so they do not turn into israel’s enemies so as to protect our vital interests in the region, our vital interests being…maintaining israel as an ally? seems like a ridiculous self-propagating cycle in which israel benefits and the united states does not.

      • tree
        December 8, 2010, 3:31 am

        There is a peace treaty between Egypt and Israel. We want it to stay in place because if it fails, we’ll have to go in and help fight, with the Israelis, against Egypt.

        Israel has a “qualitative superiority” in military equipment that the US has vowed to maintain. They don’t need our help to win a war against Egypt, and Egypt is well aware of that. Frankly, this qualitative superiority has not prevented wars but has instead enabled Israel to recklessly attack its neighbors knowing that it will suffer little consequence because of this superiority. If the military situation was more balanced in the Middle East you would probably see a lot less bloodshed rather than more.

      • Citizen
        December 8, 2010, 3:32 am

        Any war we may have to fight over there is due to our total support for Israeli activities over there. History shows that the Arabs mostly supported us but this support is now limited to the Arab clans holding the power over the Arab man in the street.

      • Citizen
        December 8, 2010, 3:38 am

        Annie, we’ve been doing that for ages. Remember the Shah of Iran? At least in S America this legacy is starting to crumble.

      • Citizen
        December 8, 2010, 3:45 am

        That 3 billion annually barely scratches the surface. The benefits of the total US matrix benefitting Israel is much higher–Shingo hardly scratched the surface of it all. Mutual benefits concerning the US military-industrial-security-banking interests are limited to those groups and their employees–a very small percentage of the total American population, and a very well off one at that.

      • NorthOfFortyNine
        December 8, 2010, 9:45 am

        >> If the military situation was more balanced in the Middle East you would probably see a lot less bloodshed rather than more.

        Taxi is right again. For a site that is sympathetic to the realist point of view, we hear too few voices like this. I concede that it grates against the lefty worldview, but the lefty worldview seems deaf to the likes of ‘eee’ , he of “over my dead body will the refugees return” fame. (And he meant it!)

        Muscle, baby, muscle. That is 8/10′s the battle. -N49.

      • annie
        December 8, 2010, 2:34 pm

        my point was not that they were mutually exclusive antidote. my point is that we’re paying off egypt to do israel’s bidding not to prevent egypt from attacking israel. as tree says They don’t need our help to win a war against Egypt, and Egypt is well aware of that..

        my suggestion is the money we give israel is far more than 3 billion because the money we give egypt should be applied.

      • Citizen
        December 9, 2010, 10:58 am

        There’s an exception that Israel does not have to spend 25% of US foreign aid on US products (without touching how they reverse engineer our stuff and sell it to places like China and the former USSR)–we have no such exception for US aid going to any other country, all of which actually pay for what they get to boot.

      • Citizen
        December 9, 2010, 1:12 pm

        Not to mention the money we give Jordan should also be applied. Israel is our #1 aid recipient. Egypt is #2. Jordan is #3 (after Iraq).
        All this aid money is essentially to benefit Israel, and this, despite the fact such aid is not in the US’s geopolitical interest, Israel has no natural resources we need, and it flies in the face of US humanitarian values. Why? Although the USA is 98% goy, no goy can get into high US political office, or climb high on any appointee career ladder, without rubber-stamping Israel’s whims. Truman set the course for the USA’s fate. That was the third ATOMIC BOMB he dropped. Who needs Japanese zeros when you have an equally singular purpose and so many monetary zeros after every dollar bill?

      • tree
        December 8, 2010, 3:16 am

        Virtually all of that money that we give to the Israelis gets spent on American-made stuff or services. I didn’t realize (or believe) that was true until an Israeli acquaintance was explaining to me how he had to buy every single thing his office needed — pens, paper, paperclips, all the way down the line to the weapons — from American sources.

        THE ABOVE IS INCORRECT information.

        According to the Congressional Research Service Report from February 2009, available here, Israel is allowed to “spend 26% of U.S. assistance on Israeli manufactured equipment.” That’s over a quarter of the aid money that leaves the American economy completely. And even the amount that eventually cycles back into the American economy could be better spent here on productive items or services rather than destructive ones.

        And of course, there are the “loan guarantees” that amount to a direct transfer to Israel without any requirement for them to ever pay the money back.

      • MarkF
        December 8, 2010, 10:44 am

        One point Gellian that I read about a year ago, and maybe others can help verify. My understanding is that U.S. military aid to foregin countries require the recipient to spend at least 3 out of every 4 dollars received. Israel has an exemption from this, only requiring them to spend 1 out of every 4 dollars.

        This doesn’t account for how Israel also gets much of it’s aid upfront and doesn’t have to draw it down like a typical grantee avoiding much of the govt. accounting regulations.

        I think eventually the conservative base will come around regarding the foreign aid issue. It just doesn;t pass the smell test. Why would you give. or as you pointed out, borrow money to help another country’s citizens when Americans are hurting so bad?

      • Citizen
        December 9, 2010, 11:03 am

        Gellian, Israel is the only recipient of US aid that does not have to spend all on US products/services. They have a one-fourth exception. It’s hard to believe you don’t know this.

      • MHughes976
        December 10, 2010, 1:20 pm

        The recycling clauses – ‘you must buy American’ – in these arrangements does not make them any better.
        To the extent that recycling is imposed two transactions are taking place. As with any bought gift, the true cash transaction is between the donor and the merchant, while between the donor and the recipient there is transaction which is really in kind. Government money reaches the arms industry and the military equipment reaches Israel.
        These two transactions interact. In normal circs, the Israelis never receive arms to the full value of the donation on the day it is announced, because in negotiation the merchants will be able to raise their prices, taking advantage of restrained competition, foreigners being excluded for political reasons. Thus some cash is in effect siphoned off from recipients to merchants.
        On the other hand, the sense that the Israelis are important players will influence the merchants’ behaviour. Their designers will think ‘what does Israel need?’ and, more importantly, the companies and their workers will become, because they like the profits and the high wages, a pro-Israel constituency and source of votes and donations. Thus some of the money siphoned off will be handed to pro-Israel politicians and the cycle will start again.
        So the results are a) the subjection of the economy to a degree of influence and planning which comes from government but has little democratic discussion behind it b) the steady transfer of resources from the generality of taxpayers to a very privileged few c) the increasing lodgement of a foreign government in the national decision making process d) a merry-go-round which is very difficult to stop. These results are not lessened but all intensified, I think, when we have recycling, buy-American clauses in the agreements and contracts made.

  2. Jim Haygood
    December 7, 2010, 8:52 pm

    ‘I favor an end to aid for Israel because a) Israel doesn’t need it and b) we need the money and c) it doesn’t seem sensible to me to keep rewarding an ally that refuses to offer minimal cooperation.’

    Sullivan raises a trifecta of issues. Israel was rather naïve to think it could join the OECD rich countries club, and still keep cadging $3 billion a year in unmerited welfare from the US — far more than any starving sub-Saharan African state receives.

    The ‘rich aiding the rich’ within the OECD just isn’t the done thing. Time for wealthy Israel to put away the beggar’s bowl. As Sullivan says, Israel’s stonewalling of reasonable US demands presents an ideal opportunity to stop rewarding its chronic defiance and sandbagging of US interests.

    Just don’t swallow Sullivan’s subtle semantic twist, labeling Israel as an ‘ally.’ It isn’t so, either legally (no treaty of alliance exists) or practically (since Israel serves as a gigantic millstone around America’s neck, warping its entire foreign policy).

    • Citizen
      December 8, 2010, 3:34 am

      Didn’t the OECD just rubber-stamp Israel’s fraudulent accounting in its
      application for OECD membership?

      • Antidote
        December 9, 2010, 6:22 pm

        I remember considerable controversy about admitting Israel — not quite ‘rubberstamping’

    • Psychopathic god
      December 8, 2010, 7:56 am

      At a report on the activities of a delegation of WINEP-trustees/NYC bankers and venture capitalists, David Makovsky fielded a question from Barbara Slavin. Slavin asked about the progress of the Israeli proposal that the US Senate sign a treaty of alliance with Israel.

      Makovsky responded on the one hand, zionism is stubbornly self-sufficient, and ideologically resists any restraints on its freedom of movement; on the other hand, if US is unwilling to attack and cripple Iran, then a formal alliance treaty between US and Israel would ensure Israel’s defense.
      link to c-spanvideo.org

  3. annie
    December 7, 2010, 8:58 pm

    this is huge phil.

    maybe not as big as beinart but huge.

  4. Taxi
    December 7, 2010, 9:51 pm

    Did Obama just kill Natanyahu with kindness?

    • Psychopathic god
      December 8, 2010, 8:17 am

      “Did Obama just kill Netanyahu with kindness?”

      Not necessarily; #1, monsters like Bibi don’t die; they’re like plastic bottles in a landfill.

      #2, Sullivan wrote: It appears the Obama administration has thrown in the towel in trying to get Netanyahu to agree to a new moratorium on settlements in the West Bank. That presumably means none of the promised goodies either.

      In the same report of Jewish bankers’ trip to Israel, led by WINEP’s Satloff and Makovsky, Makovsky reported on discussion with Netanyahu: Bibi said
      a. the proffered “goodies” were not to be construed to guarantee that a deal would be struck in the 90 day period; in fact, it was highly unlikely that much would be accomplished in the 90 days that the goodies purchased.

      b. To keep his coalition happy, Bibi had to guarantee to them that the “goodies” come to Israel whether or not peace talks proceed; and

      c. Bibi was in NYC on the day after the US elections; Eric Cantor went to NYC to talk with Bibi, where Bibi advised Cantor to resist attempts to curtail aid to Arabs. Makovsky said Bibi may become Arab’s best lobbyist. (Gives a whole new perspective to the selective reporting of Wikileaks disclosing that Arab leaders are afraid of Iran. remember — the Wikileaks had been in NYT’s hands for weeks before they hit the streets; Bibi was undoubtedly aware of useful tidbits and even had a plan for using them before the rest of us rubes had any idea what was going on. Bibi and the Israeli MFA has more influence over US polity than does any staunchly American institution.)

  5. pabelmont
    December 7, 2010, 9:51 pm

    If the USA wants to go on paying Boeing et al to make airplanes, well, fine, but why (also) GIVE them to Israel? why not sell them abroad, or pile them up in the Nevada dessert? or dig a hole and dump them in and then start all over (and meanwhile, do NOT fight any “wars of choice” (aka aggressive wars).

    Is paying Boeing et al. the best we can do as a means of “jobs creation”? Aren’t they rather high-paid jobs? Couldn’t we spread the money around (especially if it is merely make-work), say doing trail-maintenance in the national parks at $10/hr or $15/hr, and get a LOT of people employed? Or paving roads and filling pot-holes — BY HAND? A LOT of people!

    • Antidote
      December 8, 2010, 12:34 am

      Obama keeps making noises about developing green industries and alternative energy. Clearly money better spend, among countless other possibilities. The crumbling infrastructure. Public transport.

      But how do you keep the lobbies of existing industries at bay? This would mean a serious restructuring of the industrial sector. Can’t be done in a few months or even 2-4 yrs, and not by a few good men and women. You have to keep the voters happy, and survive the political smear campaigns from the Republicans that are sure to follow any serious move in such directions. They’ll block everything, by any means.

      • Walid
        December 8, 2010, 4:50 am

        Antidote, the US “lobby” is the only party being accused of wrongdoing but not a word about those Congress people gleefully drowning in the lobbies’ generosity. Compare the differences between Canadian electoral laws limiting contributions and spending with the US laws and you’d see how the American system is inviting the lobbies to run rampant all over the place. No matter what Obama promises to do about it, it’s doubtful Congress would ever enact any laws restricting the lobbies that would kill its members’ cash cows.

      • occupyresist
        December 8, 2010, 9:56 am

        True.

        And yet Canada is now vying for a spot as Israel’s benefactor.

      • Antidote
        December 8, 2010, 11:00 am

        Oligarchy, plain and simple, built into the system. A mixture of plutocracy and idiocracy. Time for the US to become a democracy?Not that there isn’t a lot of this going on in Canada as well with back room dealings, bribes etc. Putin tossed out the oligarchs and replaced them with the criminal thugs who now run Russia. I don’t think it would be worse if we dropped elections altogether and introduced a lottery system, sort of like jury duty. Maybe you’d get a few decent people running the country who are not in it to line their pockets.

        I’m fed up with Harper. The investigations of the Toronto G20 disaster revealed abhorrent civil rights abuses. Unprecedented lawlessness, fully sanctioned by the provincial government and the local police chief. What’s going on? The security industry is taking over, and there’s no question Israel is involved politically and economically, from the billions that will be spent on fighter jets to the new prisons going up for no apparent reason. Rise in ‘unreported crime’, they tell us. Who are they being built for? Anti-semites? Cracking down on criticism of Israel has become Harper’s new mission. Nobody must know what we’re dealing with, and why.

        As for the Canadian Israel lobby and their discourse control, I just realized that Janice Stein, the grand dame of the Toronto Munk institute, a global affairs think tank sponsored by Canadian Israel lobby big shot Peter Munk, is a Jewish Zionist whose comments always appear intelligent, measured and fair. A female and Canadian version of Dershowitz, without the temper tantrums, dirty ad hominems, over the top rhetoric and transparent bias. She’s been the most visible pundit on all matters concerning ME conflicts and politics as long as I can remember. A discussion on the I/P conflict on Canadian TV without Janice Stein is like Christmas without snow. Happens about once a decade or so. It never occurred to me that she might be Jewish, simply because I never ask that question any more than I would wonder whether an academic or pundit is Catholic or whatever. She’s a brilliant apologist for Israel and makes perfect sense until you find out on your own all the stuff she never mentions. I remember her comment on the TV news on the day of the flotilla attack, in the midst of public outrage: Look, both parties made mistakes, she said, the activists were infiltrated by radical Islamists, and Israel overreacted. It happens. Case closed. Goldstone report according to Stein: flawed and biased, not accounting for the fact that Israel has no choice but to kill civilians in order to get the terrorists. And so on. No different from the official line in Israel, is it? So everything is fine, thinks the Canadian watching the news, no reason to get upset. Janice never gets upset. Canadians hate getting upset. They will side with Stein any time over protesters waving Palestinian flags and shouting ‘Apartheid’. And if you accuse Stein of bias, you must be an anti-semite. Because she’s Jewish. You didn’t know that? Sure.

  6. Shingo
    December 7, 2010, 10:07 pm

    How long do you think it will be before Goldberg writes a scathing attack on Sullivan?

  7. piotr
    December 8, 2010, 3:05 am

    3 billion dollars per year is an increasingly trivial amount, but the true importance is symbolic.

    Israel succumbed to a spiral of paranoia and complacence. Jewish Israelis can be complacent because they are the favorites of the greatest nation on Earth. Being the Chosen nation, they can dictate the dimwitted Big Brother what should be done. Let us face it: our policies are dimwitted, so why they should not benefit at least one nation?

    Except that it does not. Recent events show that Croatia has 27 fire fighting airplanes and Israel has none. But it has tons of F16s! Somehow the balance between fire making capabilities and fire quenching capabilities was not maintained.

    Most importantly, the combination of paranoia and complacence make peace utterly impossible. Peace is dangerous! (Paranoia). We can live with eternal war very well! (Complacence).

    Imagine Israeli advising Georgia on security doctrine. For Georgia to be safe, Russia should be demilitarized. But would that suffice? No! Russians should not be able to trade on their own, and their electronic communications should be controlled. Would that suffice? Not necessarily. Best if Russia had no external borders, no right to use airplanes. Mushrooom picking may be allowed, but on case by case basis, subject of careful review.

    Who knows, I Georgia was our biggest aid receipient it could succumbed to such insanity. Actually, they tried, after a fashion, but well, there is also reality. So what we have now? Does Georgia trust Russia? No. Does Russia trust Georgia? No. So what? You live with the reality as it is, not as it should be, or could be, or whatever.

    Aid gives Israel an illusion that it does not have to solve its problems. Do they want to “abolish Russia”? Perhaps not yet, but the idea of solving security problems by USA controlling Iraq and Iran is almost as insane. It is like treating heart condition with Viagra.

    • Antidote
      December 9, 2010, 6:40 pm

      great post, p.

      “Imagine Israelis advising Georgia on security doctrine”

      The problem is that this is mostly what Israel does: advising other countries and cities on national security, surveillance, defense, intelligence. How to fight internal and external enemies, be they real or imagined. Sorry to bring it up all the time but: who comes up with the idea of building prisons because of a ‘rise in unreported crime’? Paranoid people in Harper’s government, all best friends with Israelis. If some fire erupts in Israel or elsewhere, others have to come to the rescue. And not just accidentally lit forest fires.

    • Shingo
      December 10, 2010, 3:56 am

      “3 billion dollars per year is an increasingly trivial amount, but the true importance is symbolic.”‘

      It is also the tip of the iceberg. One has to add the aid paid to Jordan, Egypt etc to play nice with Israel, as well as the loan guarantees the US gives Isael (ie. loans that Israel doesn’t repay).

  8. bijou
    December 8, 2010, 9:23 am

    Why can’t someone just write up a clear, objective, easily understood summary of what the US gives to Israel on an annual basis, and then figure out what it costs each US taxpayer per year and sketch out a few alternative ways that money could be spent? Is it really so frigging hard to get to this information?

    That’s what is needed to take this very compelling argument to the public. And it’s about bloody time.

    • Mooser
      December 8, 2010, 11:18 am

      link to ifamericansknew.org

      Allison Weir’s site does a good job at that.

      • Citizen
        December 9, 2010, 1:18 pm

        So do some of the links already given on this thread. I guess Bijou didn’t click on them. Besides, anyone can get this information on the web. What is needed is for our MSM to start supplying it so American citizens can start making informed consent choices. Instead they get the NYT and Glen Beck.

      • Antidote
        December 9, 2010, 1:59 pm

        Yet another link:

        Allison Weir is one of 3 people interviewed on Iranian presstv channel on the latest Thomas scandal, Zionist control of US politics and the media, and the extent/effects of American aid to Israel. Very interesting. Also reveals that many in Washington apparently agree with Thomas

        video and transcript

        link to presstv.ir

  9. radii
    December 9, 2010, 8:28 pm

    while we’re at it, strip the right of any dual US-Israeli citizen to hold a US security clearance, bid on any US defense contract, work in any sensitive US gov’t position, and make all persons and businesses to contract to the US gov’t and/or our military declare that they are loyal to the US first before all others

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