Ynet piece by Hagai Segal:
"George W. Bush issued his two-state vision only after Ariel Sharon voiced a similar vision. Until that point, the Americans believed (just like Israel's governments) that a Palestinian state would be a disaster. Secretly they still think so, because one Tehran is enough, yet they cannot be against it when Israel is in favor."
Another demonstration of the confidence many Israelis have in their influence in Washington. To date it has not been misplaced.
Ugghhh — the linked article by Hagai Segal adopts a contemptuous tone of gloating, condescending chauvinism toward both the Palestinian and South American untermenschen. It includes this menacing gem:
Since Segal obviously is not talking about a nonsectarian one-state solution, what does he mean — merely a mass deportation of Arabs, or a more comprehensive ‘final solution’?
In Germany, the former shifted gradually yet seamlessly into the latter. I expect it will start with another “justified ethnic cleansing” and end with someone standing in front of the court in the Hague saying, “Well it isn’t like there weren’t billions of Arabs elsewhere! There are fewer Jews so our lives are worth more!”
I think maybe Jews are about to roll out Jabotinsky’s secret plan — Relocate all Jews to Nebraska:
You want country, Vladimir? Nebraska’s got plenty of country.
And get this, you zionists who so crave to plant the ‘western’ flag: Nebraska calls itself the State Where the West Begins. Can’t be more prophetic if yahweh hisseff had picked the spot for y’all — maybe she did but Moses got the directions wrong??
Hey, this gets better & better: -prolly no Muslims in Nebraska.
KoolAid was invented in Nebraska — Mooser, isn’t KoolAid the methadone version of ziocaine?
CliffNotes were invented in Nebraska — no more hours poring over dusty manuscripts; breeze through the abridged version then off to roam the fruited plains.
And get this: Nebraska is home to Warren Buffet/Berkshire Hathaway, America’s finest home-grown investor! Ya’ll can talk shop, trade tips.
Anyway, Welcome to Nebraska! Is corn kosher?
Segal is extreme even for Israel.
Hey,there already is a 2nd Tehran in Baghdad Green Zone. America has literally given Iraq on a silver platter to Iran. And this has caused ,and still causing untold massacres of Sunnis.many Sunni neighborhoods of Baghdad have been ‘cleansed’ now.
Not all massacres are attributable to the Shia and even less to those of Iran. A lot of rumours are flying around that involve the US and Israel (lots of Israelis running around all over the country)and of course other Sunnis working on behalf of foreign interests to keep the pot boiling. Same situation with the ongoing bombings of Shia neighbourhoods that can’t all be blamed on the Sunnis.
A more accurate headline would be “US believed” (which is not particularly clear anyway). Tense is IMPORTANT.
But, what does the statement “US believes” mean? That every American citizen believes (that would make the people equivalent to the US), or that the majority of American citizens believe, or that the the official permanent policy of the the US government is (not exactly a “belief”, but a policy), or that the official policy of a single administration is…, or more accurately in this case, that a single person or small group of people might have believed.
What it Blankfurt or someone else that posted the misleading headline?
Witty
You read one sentence and jump in immediately: Not a smart move because the sentence which follows immediately would have made it clear for you why the headline is correct:
“Until that point, the Americans believed (just like Israel’s governments) that a Palestinian state would be a disaster.
TGIA, we’re asking what the US and Israel want or don’t want but more importantly we have to first determine if any Arab state is really that anxious to see the birth of an independant Palestinian state, especially a religiously-leaning one and with which it would share a border with it; Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Gulf States? It isn’t any wonder the problem has persisted for over 60 years and at the rate, it will be taking another 60.
That is why it is up to the Palestinians to prove to the international community that their state would be a stable democracy and not another Arab like dictatorship. Because otherwise, they will not get effective support. So far, all the Palestinians have shown is that they can be a Fatah kelptocracy or a Hamas theocracy.
Really, eee? Because a number of South American democracies have joined several European democracies (and most of the rest of the world) in accepting, point blank, that a Palestinian state already exists and Israel is openly violating its sovereignty.
“Arab like dictatorship?” You’re such a vile racist.
eee, you should lose that patronizing and idiotic Israeli expression about Palestinians having prove that they are worthy of being granted their freedom. They don’t have to prove anything to anyone and least of all to thieving Zionists that dispossessed them or to collaborating Arabs that were party to the crime.
wrong. It is not up to the palerstinians prove anything to anyone. it is up to the inetrnational community to quit preventing justice and let palestine come into being and to quit allow zionisn to attack palestinian rights.
abstraction alert: Who exactly are “the Americans” holding this view? Bush-era Zionist bureaucrats, half of whom were also dual Israeli citizens, don’t reasonably abstract to the generic ‘Americans’. Also, it would be nice if they were explicit about for whom exactly a Palestinian state would be a disaster. The notion that it would be a disaster for us is beyond asinine. /obviously-rhetorical Do they really think we are that stupid?
from The Dubai Job
As one very senior German intelligence expert told me: “The Israelis’ problem has always been that they underestimate everyone—the Arabs, the Iranians, Hamas. They are always the smartest and think they can hoodwink everyone all the time. A little more respect for the other side—even if you think he is a dumb Arab or a German without imagination—and a little more modesty would have saved us all from this embarrassing entanglement.”