Former head British spook says Israeli intelligence couldn’t be trusted

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Here is a very important piece in today’s Ha’aretz quoting former British MI6 head Sir Richard Dearlove saying that his service did not trust the Israelis because they "play by different rules." This sentiment is shared in the U.S. intelligence community too. The Israelis are among the most "aggressive" services operating against us (See this GAO report on foreign intelligence activities in the '90s; Israel is Country B, right up there with the People's Republic of China), and they pursue their own agenda. The reason that there is so much opposition to Jonathan Pollard’s release, for example, is that there is a widespread belief in the community that the Israelis transferred some of the Pollard intelligence on the U.S. Navy to the Soviets in exchange for the release of Soviet Jews. (See Seymour Hersh's piece, "Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor)" The New Yorker Magazine, January 18, 1999, pp. 26-33)

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  1. pabelmont says:
    April 1, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    At first blush, it seems unremarkable and obvious that EVERY “intelligence service” should distrust every OTHER I/S. The several national interests are not the same, and the degree of criminality/carelessness within these services is not the same. It is proper for any I/S to ask, [1] why trust the other I/S and [2] why trust all of its people?

    A driver might ask, do I trust the car? and do I trust its brakes?

    But, then, there is no space between the interests of the USA and Israel. How do we know? Israel’s friends tell us. They INSIST on this. It is used as an argument for ignoring USA’s interests (you know, “don’t even think about the USA’s interests; by definition they are the same as Israel’s”).

  2. MRW says:
    April 1, 2011 at 2:31 pm

    It’s more than the fact that the Israelis gave our nuclear codes, the entire NATO defense strategy and the placement of every single one of our missile silos, their capacity, etc. to the Russians.

    It was that over 110 USA covert agents and their families were identified and killed, and Pollard’s info identified our humint assets in the USSR, who were killed as well. Something like 2500 in all.

    It was betrayal on a scale that could not be fully revealed because, even to this day, a lot of the stuff is classified. Richard Sale, who broke the story originally, wrote recently that he became friends with former Sec of Defense Caspar Weinberger after Weinberger retired. Weinberger could not even discuss Pollard without going off the deep end about him, and raving.

    What Pollard did is considered many magnitudes of gravity greater than what all the other top spies did together (Hansen, etc).

    • DBG says:
      April 1, 2011 at 2:43 pm

      MRW,

      Pollard was a civilian working for the Navy. I doubt that he had access to that sort of information. What kind of US covert Agents were killed? I assume CIA if you are talking behind the Iron Curtain.

      Pollard is a spy and if we were stilling hanging spies i’d be the first to cheer his death, but to say he was responsible for all that you are claiming is utter nonsense. Do you have any sources which collaborate this?

      I did a cursory search on the internet, I pray you aren’t basing these allegations on something written by Gordon Duff.

      • Kathleen says:
        April 1, 2011 at 3:10 pm

        It has never been released about just how much US national security was damaged by Pollards criminal and traitorous actions. Also never released how many US agents were killed around the world..

        And now we have Rep Weiner and Rep Frank and others pushing for his release. I really like Weiner on domestic issues. But when it comes to Israel he has his head up where the sun does not shine
        link to weiner.house.gov

        Just as the report having to do with how Libby and teams outing of Valerie Plame negatively effected US national security and how many agents or others were killed around the world as a direct result of her outing
        link to thewashingtonnote.com

      • James Bradley says:
        April 1, 2011 at 3:56 pm

        It is generally argued that a large number of CIA contacts in the Soviet Union were executed when Pollard transferred information to the KGB.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        April 1, 2011 at 3:59 pm

        See? DBG googled it and found the most extreme right wing hate example to slander you with. So obviously it’s as sure as nukes in Iraq!

        • DBG says:
          April 1, 2011 at 4:38 pm

          help me understand Chaos, I google MRW’s claim and all I could find is a report from Gordon Duff. That makes me the slanderer? Why don’t you try and help me find out a more legitimate source. I couldn’t find one.

          James, again where are you guys getting this from?

        • Chaos4700 says:
          April 1, 2011 at 5:35 pm

          Here’s a hint: Take “Gordon Duff” out of your search box before you hit enter.

          And stop committing libel. You are quite literally attacking everyone who speaks out against Israel and labelling everyone an anti-Semite.

        • RoHa says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:53 am

          “And stop committing libel. You are quite literally attacking everyone who speaks out against Israel and labelling everyone an anti-Semite.”

          These days, “anti-Semite” means “anti-Zionist”, so I’m taking it as a compliment.

        • Kathleen says:
          April 2, 2011 at 10:57 am

          Just as in the Plame outing they do not release how many people were killed, outed etc. How much damage was done to US National security. Classified. Hell Aipac might be able to access that classified intelligence. But that would not be in their interest so it will not happen

        • Kathleen says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:26 pm

          That has been the case for decades

      • pjdude says:
        April 1, 2011 at 8:44 pm

        Pollard was a civilian working for the Navy. I doubt that he had access to that sort of information. What kind of US covert Agents were killed? I assume CIA if you are talking behind the Iron Curtain.

        than you really don’t know alot. I had a teacher who used to work in the pentagon. she had access to secret stuff..

        I did a cursory search on the internet, I pray you aren’t basing these allegations on something written by Gordon Duff.

        I have heard people on your side rant about him but have seen zero evidence discrediting him.

        • ToivoS says:
          April 1, 2011 at 11:32 pm

          This is an interesting point that is being raised here. Pollard’s access to information was limited. But if someone else provided him with codes it could expand his normal security clearance. There is reason to believe that other agents inside the government were providing him with those access codes. He has never revealed who the other traitor was. Let him spend the rest of his life in jail until he squeals on his co-conspirators.

        • Kathleen says:
          April 2, 2011 at 11:07 am

          ”
          link to jonathanpollard.org
          Weinberger authored a 40-page, classified assessment of the damage Pollard’s actions caused to U.S. interests. A four-page version, which was not classified, compared Pollard to other well-known spies.

          In the unclassified version, Weinberger said it was difficult to conceive a greater harm to national security than what Pollard had caused. He said Pollard “both damaged and destroyed policies and national assets which have taken many years, great effort and enormous national resources to secure.”

          Casper Weinbergers statement about Pollards criminal activities available to the public
          link to irmep.org

          Declassified Statement on Jonathan Pollard by Caspar W. Weinberger
          by Caspar W. Weinberger, October 18, 2010
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          Editor’s note: The following statement (original format [.pdf]) was submitted to the District Court of the District of Columbia on March 3, 1987, by the former secretary of defense one day before Judge Aubry E. Robinson Jr. sentenced Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard to life in prison. Weinberger submitted a 46-page classified declaration (“in camera”) of damage caused by Pollard in January 1987 (upon which this unclassified declaration was based). It has never been fully declassified. Explanatory links provided by Grant F. Smith.

          I am Caspar W. Weinberger, Secretary of Defense. I offer this declaration to supplement my in camera submission, which detailed the nature and extent of the harm defendant has caused to our national security, and to make known to the Court additional facts which have been brought to my attention. I also wish to address the defendant’s self-serving contentions [.pdf] that his espionage activities were intended only to aid Israel, and the suggestion that his actions should be viewed as mere technical violations of laws intended to keep sensitive information from actual or potential enemies.

          It is difficult for me, even in the so-called “year of the spy,” to conceive of a greater harm to national security than that caused by the defendant in view of the breadth, the critical importance to the U.S., and the high sensitivity of the information he sold to Israel. That information was intentionally reserved by the United States for its own use, because to disclose it, to anyone or any nation, would cause the greatest harm to our national security. Our decisions to withhold and preserve certain intelligence information, and the sources and methods of its acquisition, either in total or in part, are taken with great care, as part of a plan for national defense and foreign policy which has been consistently applied throughout many administrations. The defendant took it upon himself unilaterally to reverse those policies. In so doing, he both damaged and destroyed policies and national assets which have taken many years, great effort and enormous national resources to secure. Moreover, in light of the defendant’s continued disclosures of sensitive information for publication by the press, there is ample cause to believe that Pollard will continue to divulge classified national defense information without restraint.

          I respectfully submit that any U.S. citizen, and in particular a trusted government official, who sells U.S. secrets to any foreign nation should not be punished merely as a common criminal. Rather, the punishment imposed should reflect the perfidy of the individual’s actions, the magnitude of the treason committed, and the needs of national security. Here, although the defendant had executed an oath to protect and safeguard classified information, he betrayed the public trust and the security of the United States in exchange for money. I believe these facts should be weighed heavily in fashioning the sentence to be imposed in order to protect the public confidence in our law, and restore the public’s confidence in our ability and commitment to protect U.S. security.

          It is also relevant that Pollard has recently analogized himself to an Israeli pilot shot down behind enemy lines, and has stated his hope that he will yet be able to immigrate to Israel. Whatever else his analogy suggests, it clearly indicates that his loyalty to Israel transcends his loyalty to the United States. Nor, apparently, does any residual loyalty to the United States persuade him that he should protect U.S. national defense information at all. Only a few days ago, on February 15, 1987, the Washington Post published an article about Pollard. That article contained information purporting to reflect U.S. intelligence efforts. While I do not intend publicly to confirm or deny the accuracy of those statements, it is beyond cavil that, if true, such information should never be made publicly available. The defendant initially denied having been the source of the information, but when confronted with a polygraph examination on February 25, he acknowledged that he had either provided or confirmed certain of the information contained in that article by talking to a journalist. I have no way of knowing whether he provided additional information not published in that article, but I believe that there can be no doubt that he can, and will, continue to disclose U.S. secrets without regard to the impact it may have on U.S. national defense or foreign policy. Only a period of incarceration commensurate with the enduring quality of the national defense information he can yet impart, will provide a measure of protection against further damage to the national security.

      • Kathleen says:
        April 2, 2011 at 11:16 am

        link to jonathanpollard.org
        Pollard: Not A Bumbler, But Israel’s Master Spy
        February 15, 1987 – Wolf Blitzer – The Washington Post
        “An Israeli intelligence official told me that some of the information was “so breathtaking” that it justified the risk Israel was taking in running an agent in Washington. Pollard’s handlers – including Air Force Brig. Gen. Aviem Sella, veteran intelligence agent Rafael Eitan and former science counselor at the Israeli Consulate in New York, Yosef Yagur – told him that he was “a one-man intelligence agency” for Israel, one source said.

        What Pollard did was to make virtually the entire U.S. intelligence-gathering apparatus available to Israel, completing the picture in those areas where Israel’s knowledge was limited. His Israeli contacts, knowing where Israel was in need of specific information, “tasked” Pollard on a weekly basis to obtain it, according to the American prosecutors.

        The Israeli government has maintained officially that the Pollard operation was “unauthorized,” part of a “rogue” unit that ran amok. Israel formally apologized to the United States and later cooperated in the investigation by making available for questioning to a visiting delegation of U.S. officials some of the Israeli operatives involved in the ring.

        Some American intelligence sources remain very skeptical about Israel’s denials. They argue that the unit that recruited Pollard, known as “Lekem,” was created years ago to collect scientific intelligence. They also assert that Israeli intelligence experts had to know that only an inside American agent could supply the massive quantity and quality of satellite photography that they were getting. Israel lacks that capability and Israeli experts knew the U.S. was not supplying that information to Israel officially.

        Israel had to set up a special unit in New York and Washington to obtain Pollard’s documents. Court documents show that Irit Erb, a secretary at the Israeli embassy in Washington, was given a second apartment where she operated sophisticated photocopying equipment for the documents provided by Pollard. Typically, he would deliver a large suitcase full of papers on a Friday evening on his way home from work and retrieve them on Sunday evening in order to return them to the appropriate national defense repositories the next morning.

        Pollard told me in interviews that he was motivated by his anger that the United States was withholding from Israel information that was vital to the security of the Jewish state. He had been a member of the American delegation on two official intelligence exchanges with Israel, so he had a good sense of what was being shared and what wasn’t.

        “I was very frustrated at the end of these two sessions. And the frustration builds,” he told me during a lengthy interview at the federal prison outside Petersburg, VA. Eventually, he added, his frustration became “relentless” and led him to pass to the Israeli government the information they were being denied – information he describes as “horrifying.”

        Wolf Blitzer, the Washington correspondent for The Jerusalem Post, is the author of “Between Washington and Jerusalem: A Reporter’s Notebook.”

        ———————————————————————–

        Same article
        “In fact, diGenova says that Pollard provided Israel with more than 1,000 classified documents, some of which were several hundred pages in length. Stacked up, the tens of thousands of pieces of paper could have filled a small hall. Most of the documents, according to a pre-sentencing memo, “were detailed analytical studies containing technical calculations, graphs and satellite photographs.” Other information included “highly classified message traffic and intelligence summaries” as well as data on “specific weapon systems.” He apparently was able to take copies of this material – including satellite photos – with him out the door.”

      • MRW says:
        April 2, 2011 at 12:19 pm

        DBG,

        I did a cursory search on the internet

        No shit, sherlock.

  3. Kathleen says:
    April 1, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    CIA and FBI agents have questioned why investigations into Israeli spying, access and criminal mis use of classified intelligence is almost always shut down. And why congress people clearly putting Israel’s needs before US needs are not investigated and prosecuted?

    link to irmep.org,

    The AZC’s internal “Information and Public Relations Department” reports.

    The AZC’s internal “Information and Public Relations Department” reports.
    Documents

    Between 1962-1963 the Senate Foreign Relations Committee subpoenaed internal reports of the American Zionist Council during its investigation into the activities of registered agents of foreign principals. They discovered that more than $5 million in tax exempt (and possibly overseas donations) had been laundered through the Jewish Agency’s American Section into the American Zionist Council. The Jewish Agency functioned as a quasi-branch of the Israeli government, received Israeli government funding, and was able to review legislation before it went to the Knesset under its Covenant Agreement.

    This violated IRS regulations on the use of tax exempt charitable funds and the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act.

    The following reports detail how the American Zionist Council used the funding in a sophisticated campaign to cajole and intimidate news media, subvert open debate about Israel and undermine reporting about key issues of the day such as Israel’s Dimona nuclear weapons facility, operation Susannah terror attacks on the United States, and the return of Arab refugees to their homes. The AZC tracked and targeted professors and engaged in covert operations obliquely referred to in the following internal reports.

    After the Justice Department ordered the American Zionist Council to register as a foreign agent in late 1962, it transferred responsibilities to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which refuses to register as a foreign agent of the Israeli government.

    On May 19, 1970, the Dow Jones Observer reported, “In 1963 the Senate Foreign Relations Committee investigated the Jewish Agency and uncovered a ‘conduit’ operation run by an organization called the American Zionist Council. Over an eight-year period, this council received more than $5,000,000 from the Jewish Agency to create favorable public opinion in this country for Israeli government policies. The Senate investigation closed down the conduit, but the extensive propaganda activities still go on.”

    link to alternet.org
    Breaking the Taboo on Israel’s Spying Efforts on the United States
    Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S., yet public discussion about it is almost nil.
    March 10, 2009 |

    Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they’ll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States.

    This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.. The fact of Israeli penetration into the country is not a subject oft-discussed in the media or in the circles of governance, due to the extreme sensitivity of the U.S.-Israel relationship coupled with the burden of the Israel lobby, which punishes legislators who dare to criticize the Jewish state. The void where the facts should sit is filled instead with the hallucinations of conspiracy theory — the kind in which, for example, agents of the Mossad, Israel’s top intelligence agency, engineer the 9/11 attacks, while 4,000 Israelis in the Twin Towers somehow all get word to escape before the planes hit. The effect, as disturbing as it is ironic, is that the less the truth is addressed, the more noxious the falsity that spreads.

    U.S. Drops Case Against Ex-Lobbyists
    Former AIPAC Employees Faced Espionage Charges
    link to washingtonpost.com

    The Spy Who Loves Us PDF

    Pay no mind to the Mossad agent on the line.
    link to amconmag.com

    this one is interesting
    link to youtube.com

  4. Kathleen says:
    April 1, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Justin Raimando over at Antiwar.com has written about this topic a great deal.
    link to original.antiwar.com

    A great article written by Jason Vest at the Nation in 2002
    The Men From JINSA and CSP
    link to thenation.com
    On no issue is the JINSA/CSP hard line more evident than in its relentless campaign for war–not just with Iraq, but “total war,” as Michael Ledeen, one of the most influential JINSAns in Washington, put it last year. For this crew, “regime change” by any means necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority is an urgent imperative. Anyone who dissents–be it Colin Powell’s State Department, the CIA or career military officers–is committing heresy against articles of faith that effectively hold there is no difference between US and Israeli national security interests, and that the only way to assure continued safety and prosperity for both countries is through hegemony in the Middle East–a hegemony achieved with the traditional cold war recipe of feints, force, clientism and covert action.

    For example, the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board–chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups–recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA’s recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd’s preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that “Grand Strategy for the Middle East” should concentrate on “Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot [and] Egypt as the prize.”) Ledeen has been leading the charge for regime change in Iran, while old comrades like Andrew Marshall and Harold Rhode in the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment actively tinker with ways to re-engineer both the Iranian and Saudi governments. JINSA is also cheering the US military on as it tries to secure basing rights in the strategic Red Sea country of Eritrea, happily failing to mention that the once-promising secular regime of President Isaiais Afewerki continues to slide into the kind of repressive authoritarianism practiced by the “axis of evil” and its adjuncts.

    Indeed, there are some in military and intelligence circles who have taken to using “axis of evil” in reference to JINSA and CSP, along with venerable repositories of hawkish thinking like the American Enterprise Institute and the Hudson Institute, as well as defense contractors, conservative foundations and public relations entities underwritten by far-right American Zionists (all of which help to underwrite JINSA and CSP). It’s a milieu where ideology and money seamlessly blend: “Whenever you see someone identified in print or on TV as being with the Center for Security Policy or JINSA championing a position on the grounds of ideology or principle–which they are unquestionably doing with conviction–you are, nonetheless, not informed that they’re also providing a sort of cover for other ideologues who just happen to stand to profit from hewing to the Likudnik and Pax Americana lines,” says a veteran intelligence officer. He notes that while the United States has begun a phaseout of civilian aid to Israel that will end by 2007, government policy is to increase military aid by half the amount of civilian aid that’s cut each year–which is not only a boon to both the US and Israeli weapons industries but is also crucial to realizing the far right’s vision for missile defense and the Middle East.

  5. Kathleen says:
    April 1, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    If you have not seen this four part report by Fox News reporter Carl Cameron just after the 9/11 attack well worth watching all four parts.
    Israel Is Spying In And On The U.S.? Part 1
    link to informationclearinghouse.info

    Also
    A CounterPunch Special Investigation
    High-Fivers and Art Student Spies
    What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

    By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM
    link to counterpunch.org

    • DBG says:
      April 1, 2011 at 3:23 pm

      your sources are known anti-Israel hate sites. This stuff has been debunked.

      • Mooser says:
        April 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm

        “your sources are known anti-Israel hate sites. This stuff has been debunked.”

        I bet he stores all the phrases, and has keyboard shortcuts to paste them right into the box.
        In fact, I bet he stores them in four folders.

        • DBG says:
          April 1, 2011 at 4:44 pm

          do you feel at all silly accusing me of using stored phrases and then in the same sentence linking to the most over used peace of anti-Israel hasbara on the net?

          As for the sites, they are dedicated to an anti-Israel agenda.

        • Mooser says:
          April 1, 2011 at 5:23 pm

          “linking to the most over used peace of anti-Israel hasbara on the net”

          Wow, thanks a lot, I’ve been linking and linking that piece, and I’m glad it did some good. Never expected that from you.

          And I like the way you use “hasbara” as an anglicised term for material you think is untrue. Another compliment.

          “As for the sites, they are dedicated to an anti-Israel agenda.”

          Funny how that happens, huh? Of course, there’s no explanation for having an “anti-Israel” agenda except anti-semitism, everybody knows that! Oh, BTW, what’s the penalty for having “anti-Israel agenda”?

        • ToivoS says:
          April 1, 2011 at 11:12 pm

          Thanks DBG I was looking for that link. It is one of the best summaries of Hasbara arguments. JSF has brilliantly reduced your arguments to four simple points. All rest, as they say, are just details.

        • Kathleen says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:27 pm

          total bullshit.

          Go check out the links folks if you have not read some of those articles.

      • ToivoS says:
        April 1, 2011 at 5:16 pm

        your sources are known anti-Israel hate sites. This stuff has been debunked.

        Fox News? Counterpunch and Antiwar.com are most definitely not hate site. Counterpunch has been especially effective in alerting the world that the baseless charge of antisemitism was being used to stifle debate on Israel. Their book from seven or so years back was must reading and has changed the tone of the debate over Israel.

        And also none of these charges have been debunked — they have been attacked, to be sure, and called urban legends but there has been no refutation.

      • Chaos4700 says:
        April 1, 2011 at 5:32 pm

        Flagged as overt libel.

      • Kathleen says:
        April 1, 2011 at 7:31 pm

        none of the above has been debunked.

      • mikeo says:
        April 1, 2011 at 7:54 pm

        DBG – Hasbara end of term report card: Must try harder!

        Mistake number one: That well known “anti-israel hate site” Fox News! Doh!

        Mistake number two: Counterpunch covers such a broad range of topics that to label it anti-Israel is proof only of your myopic paranoia.

        Mistake number three: The Israel Lobby Archive most definitely has an agenda against the “Israel Lobby” unfortunately for you all of the documents contained therein are “declassified documents about the Israel lobby, most obtained through Freedom of Information Act filings with law enforcement officials and US intelligence agencies” good luck to the Zionists if this information ever becomes widely available to the American public…

        Better luck next time ;)

      • annie says:
        April 2, 2011 at 12:25 am

        your sources are known anti-Israel hate sites.

        yeah, that 4 pt fox news series is the pits

      • MRW says:
        April 2, 2011 at 1:58 pm

        HASBARA STUPIDITY ALERT

        your sources are known anti-Israel hate sites

        Under Hasbara Stupidity Logic, a Pro-Israel site would produce a different set of facts…because under Hasbara Stupidity Logic, facts are mutable and fungible.

    • MRW says:
      April 2, 2011 at 12:29 pm

      Kathleen, thanks for all the stuff.

      Another person to read is Richard Sale, the reporter who broke the story, and one of the finest intelligence reporters, ever, in the business.

      Of course, the wealth of info in Seymour Hersh’s New Yorker article (not to be sniffed at) and Philip Giraldi’s pieces on Pollard are legion. Colonel Lang covered Pollard as well, and as a former high-level military liaison between Israel and the USA for years, Lang packs about five tons of weight compared to the weight of the paper DBG is trolling off of.

      DBG is simply not credible on any of this (if he had to google for info at this stage in the game, you know he knows zilch about the issue, unlike some of us who were fully cognizant when the story broke in the 80s and have followed it since). The only thing DBG adds here is playing with his anti-semitism Pez dispenser.

      • MRW says:
        April 2, 2011 at 12:37 pm

        Another thing, Kathleen (which DBG is completely unaware of):

        Intel operatives, both US Military and CIA, have slipped up in the time since Pollard’s sentencing about the damage done. The hint at the number of US operatives and their families killed was first published in the early 90s. Gordon Duff’s repeating of those numbers has been known to a certain number of military for well over a decade. The fact that DBG can’t locate the info speaks to his deficiency, not the truth. And I am not about to direct him to the publications. Let him do his own damn research. (Hint: Google doesn’t cut it anymore. Not since it changed its algorithms two months ago.)

        • DBG says:
          April 2, 2011 at 1:03 pm

          So let me get this straight, you quote numbers which you or no one else on this site can back-up and that is my problem?

          If I am so deficient why don’t you show me where you got the data. We all know your only source is Veteran’s Today. You can tell me about your ultra secret military sources until your blue in the face. but you are full of crap.

          A contract civilian for the Navy doesn’t have access to the location of CIA assets behind the Iron Curtain, it is that simple.

        • Chaos4700 says:
          April 2, 2011 at 1:26 pm

          Go ahead. Hate on veterans, Mr. Zionist. See what traction that gets you.

          This is why the phrase “fifth column” is coming up more and more often.

        • DBG says:
          April 2, 2011 at 1:55 pm

          Chaos, Veterans today’s doesn’t represent veterans. the majority of their writers aren’t even Americans. Real veterans are trying to get this site closed, but we something in America called free speech, so Gordon Duff and his non-Veteran writing staff can continue to use their website as a guise to defame Israel and real veterans throughout America. glance at the site.

          You called it the most rightwing hate site above, are you backtracking now?


          See? DBG googled it and found the most extreme right wing hate example to slander you with.

        • MRW says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:00 pm

          A contract civilian for the Navy doesn’t have access to the location of CIA assets behind the Iron Curtain, it is that simple.

          Jesus, you’re stupid. A US Judge would put a guy in jail for life based on what you assert?

        • MRW says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:16 pm

          You can tell me about your ultra secret military sources until your blue in the face. but you are full of crap.

          I don’t have have “ultra secret military sources.” Read what I wrote. These were public documents. You need access to a library of public documents written in the early 90s, that’s all.

          You crawl around Google for two hours and suddenly, you’re an expert. I’ve followed this story since 1986, that’s 25 years. You haven’t.

        • Golden Rule says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm

          Hello MRW,

          I too have been following the Pollard case since the mid-80s. It changed much of my views regarding Israel and still impacts my feelings towards them now. I was hoping Rafi Eitan would have been persecuted also, but to no avail :)

          I do have two questions, where did you find this info about Pollard being responsible for the deaths of CIA agents? In all of my research I haven’t come across this. Also what do you mean Google doesn’t cut it? which algorithm changes are you talking about?

      • DBG says:
        April 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm

        You are a joke DBG, how are you credible? because you are in an echo chamber? You’ve yet to give me any concrete evidence, you mentioned Gordon Duff below and Richard Sale/Seymour Hersch above, but no corroborating evidence. Neither do Hersh or Sale mention the 120 CIA officers killed behind the Iron Curtain

        • annie says:
          April 2, 2011 at 1:51 pm

          DBG April 2, 2011 at 1:41 pm [edit]

          You are a joke DBG, how are you credible?

          this is the second time you’ve addressed yourself like this on a thread that i can recall. i’m trying to figure out how it is you can’t remember who you are?

        • DBG says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:05 pm

          Sorry Annie, need to re-program my ziobot 2000.

          How about proving to me that Pollard was responsible for the death of 120 CIA assets. So far nothing in Hersh’s book says this, Sale doesn’t mention it. Looks like it is just Gordon Duff.

        • MRW says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:18 pm

          Neither do Hersh or Sale mention the 120 CIA officers killed behind the Iron Curtain

          But they mention them.

        • annie says:
          April 2, 2011 at 2:42 pm

          How about proving to me that Pollard was responsible for the death of 120 CIA assets.

          i’m not your secretary

      • Kathleen says:
        April 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm

        Seymour a real journalist to be respected

  6. Kathleen says:
    April 1, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    New FBI Files Alleging AIPAC Theft of Government Property and Israeli Espionage Released

    link to prnewswire.com

  7. Colin Murray says:
    April 1, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    If you haven’t read it yet, I cannot more highly recommend Grant Smith’s Spy Trade: How Israel’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy.

  8. MHughes976 says:
    April 1, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    The British-Israeli session seems to have been painfully ambiguous in mood, embodying a weird mixture of amiable collegiality and bleak mistrust. Sir Richard’s remarks, leaving nearly everything ‘to the imagination’ but still referring to his Israeli counterparts as colleagues, evidently rather valued colleagues, makes me feel uneasy but doesn’t give me the impression that Israel is simply regarded a security risk for my dear country. A sort of fleeting, mercurial ally with incomprehensible depths.

  9. Justice Please says:
    April 2, 2011 at 5:46 am

    They should be thankful that Pollard isn’t executed for his crimes.

    Another wonderful source on how aggressive Israels spying activities against the US are, is Carl Camerons axed report for FoxNews:
    link to whatreallyhappened.com

    • MRW says:
      April 2, 2011 at 12:40 pm

      They should be thankful that Pollard isn’t executed for his crimes.

      The reason why Pollard wasn’t executed was because Dershowitz went to bat for him — in spite of Weinberger asking the court for his execution — and cut a deal in return for Israel returning what it got from Pollard. WHICH ISRAEL HAS NEVER DONE.

      • DBG says:
        April 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm

        MRW,

        Pollard wasn’t executed because we don’t execute spies anymore. If we did Ames, Walker Jr. and Robert Hanssen would all be dead and gone.

        and whatreallyhappened.com

        Conspiracy central.

        on a side not, MW is getting a lot of Twitter action today because of the meltdown you all are having b/c of the Goldstone op-ed. LOL!

      • Justice Please says:
        April 3, 2011 at 4:21 pm

        @MRW:

        “cut a deal in return for Israel returning what it got from Pollard. WHICH ISRAEL HAS NEVER DONE.”

        Wow, didn’t knew that. Well, between this and Israels failure to uphold its part of the peace treaty with Egypt, all I can say is Israel has a god-given right to break promises, and you’re a filthy Jewhater if you call them out on that :-)

  10. irishmoses says:
    April 2, 2011 at 3:07 pm

    The lobby line on Pollard’s release is that nobody knew about Alrich Ames at the time of Pollard’s conviction/plea deal and that it was really Ames’ treachery that caused the death of the US agent sources.

    Interesting that Rummy came out yesterday saying he was against Pollard’s release:

    Forward.com
    Rumsfeld: No Clemency for Pollard
    By JTA
    Published March 31, 2011.
    Former U.S. Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld said Jonathan Pollard should not be granted clemency.
    Rumsfeld, who served under Presidents Gerald Ford and George W. Bush, said during an interview on Israel’s
    Channel 10 that granting Pollard early release would send the wrong message.
    Rep. Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.) this week became the first Republican in the U.S. House of Representatives to
    back the latest push for clemency for Jonathan Pollard. Earlier in March, U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)
    became the first active Republican politician to join the recent calls for Pollard’s release.
    Pollard, who has been imprisoned since his 1985 arrest, was sentenced to life in 1987 after being convicted of
    spying on behalf of Israel. He is said to be ill.
    The most recent push for clemency has garnered substantive support among congressional Democrats, and a
    range of former officials of Republican and Democratic administrations.

    I wonder how long before he recants?

    Gil Maguire
    http://www.irishmoses.com

  11. pjdude says:
    April 2, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    Is it any surprise that Israel’s “allies”loathe the states intelligence community. look at the US the top three countries that spy on the US are in order Russia, China, and Israel. that’s right Israel spies on the US more than most of our enemies. it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if ISrael spent more time and effort spying on allies than enemies.