Ouch:
"We gave our passports to the [Fijian] officer, and when she saw we are Israelis she asked for ID cards. We told her we don't understand why we need ID cards and she responded shouting: 'You know very well how to ask Palestinians for IDs and humiliate them for three years."
The three were held at Fiji airport for six hours and officials rebuked their pleas to be allowed to make a phone call.
Armed policemen took them to a cell at the airport where they spent the night before being sent back to Australia.
Wow,
You know you’ve hit rock bottom when the Fijians aren’t happy to see you.
Don’t you just love of delegitimization in the morning?
Mind you, these guys probably got of easy with a new passport scandal in New Zealand.
RE: “a new passport scandal in New Zealand” – Shingo
SEE: Investigation cleared Israelis of spy claims: PM, stuff.co.nz, 07/20/11
SOURCE – link to stuff.co.nz
RE: “a new passport scandal in New Zealand” – Shingo
SEE: Dubai murder-accused had Kiwi link ~ By Jared Morgan, The Southland Times, 07/20/11
SOURCE – link to stuff.co.nz
“….now part of…..”
HUH?????? Gads, Annie.
Decades, really. Many, many, many, decades.
Ha ha ha. A taste of their own medicine, and all of a sudden indignant outrage. Pampered, cosseted Israelis get a fleeting glimpse of what it is like to be Palestinian under their control. Feel the humiliation you dish out on a daily basis.
LOL. With love from palestinians.
I expect that the offending officer will be sent off to a correction camp to have their deviant thoughts brought into the official line. That or sacked.
Still, kudos to the officer.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AWESOME. FRIGGIN AWESOME.
Apparently not all of people in Fiji agree and actually apologies for that incident:
link to fijitoday.wordpress.com
Read the comments sections.
link to paclii.org
The following classes of persons when landing in Fiji are exempted from the necessity of having visas in their passports made by an overseas representative or by a passport officer:-
(a) nationals or citizens of Austria, Belgium, Commonwealth countries, Denmark, Finland, France, Greece, Iceland, Indonesia, Israel, Italy, Japan, Liechtenstein, Luxemburg, the Netherlands, Norway, the Philippines, Republic of Ireland, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, United States of America, West Germany;
(Amended by Legal Notice 147 of 1971.)
How how does that feel like dimadok ? Take a tour in this site and share their experiences :
link to hamoked.org
Yeah, do you suppose dimadok has ever apologized to any of those Palestinian mothers who lost their children because IDF checkpoints stood between them and the hospital? I’m guessing not.
This incident occurred almost five years ago. I tracked it at the time. I can’t find out anywhere how the complaint of the three vacationers was handled by the two governments, or if a formal complaint actually was filed. Israel maintains an embassy in Fiji, but there is no ambassador. The Israeli ambassador to Australia’s office handles Fiji affairs.
Fiji is sort of multicultural, with the Native Fijians of Melanesian descent representing just 55% of the population. The second largest ethnic group are the Indo-Fijians, at just under 40%. Many of those are emigrating in this century, as the country has recently been subjected to a number of military coups. Fiji was kicked out of the Commonwealth of Nations in 2009 for its government’s failure to hold elections. The only other nation to have been suspended was Nigeria, but they are back in.
oh my goodness philip you are so correct. it didn’t occur to me to check the date of that article when someone linked to it last night.
argh, egg on face. sorry everyone!
Well, it says something that none of us ever heard about this until now. The American public has the wool pulled over their eyes with regards to how the rest of the world largely regards Israelis.
While I can understand why people are finding satisfaction in this treatment, I would state that these travelers should not have been singled out based on their nationality. We need more information as to who these people were.
If they had a history of serving in or were reservists in the IDF, were government employees, politicians, people of influence or something like that, then the treatment would be morally appropriate. If they were innocent Israelis, people who refused to serve in the IDF, perhaps working for a group fighting for Palestinian rights and against the Zionist apartheid, then the fact that they were Israelis shouldn’t lead to this treatment.
i don’t advocate giving israeli travelers the israeli treatment. that certainly won’t solve anything. bds doesn’t target individuals.
>> If they had a history of serving in or were reservists in the IDF, were government employees, politicians, people of influence or something like that, then the treatment would be morally appropriate. If they were innocent Israelis, people who refused to serve in the IDF, perhaps working for a group fighting for Palestinian rights and against the Zionist apartheid, then the fact that they were Israelis shouldn’t lead to this treatment.
I agree.
that’s not true nmi. palestinian israelis do not serve.
Number of Israeli Arab IDF recruits dramatically increases in 2008
link to haaretz.com
First Female Arab Combat Soldier in IDF is Proud to Serve Israel
26 July 2010 , 09:18
dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/Up_Close/10/07/2601.htm
Muslim Arab Officer Proudly Serving IDF
07 October 2010 , 14:29
dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/Up_Close/10/10/1102.htm
So let me get this straight — Israel is only now, in this decade, seeing its first Buffalo soldiers and Tuskeegee Airmen? Sheeesh. As if that’s something the Jewish state should be proud of. The United States is a terribly racist place and we got that going two millennial celebrations ago!
i didn’t say ‘arab’ i said palestinian.
Who that would be, Annie dear? Last time I checked palestinian Israelis where of Arab descent.
Reading comprehension test- failed.
First Female Arab Soldier.
As for the first male, they stand with us since 1946.
link to news.bbc.co.uk
Read something- it helps.
“As for the first male, they stand with us since 1946.”
Shrug. There are always traitors, kapos, the misguided, and useful idiots.
I am not sure if you could say them that directly in their face and walk away with that. As I understood your remarks they have been taken for granted as useful idiots for the last 60 years?
What a pitiful argument you make.
“I am not sure if you could say them that directly in their face and walk away with that.”
LOL. If they’ve been trained by the IDF, I’m sure they would pose no problem, as I’m not a child or an old women, the IDF’s victims of choice.
Of course, if they were IDF special forces, and I was eating lunch, I might have to put my sandwich down first. So there is that…
But not all Arabs, e.g. the Druze, are Palestinians, Dimmie dear. Most Druze don’t self-identify as Palestinians. [1]
[1] Muhammad Amara and Izhak Schnell (2004). “Identity Repertoires among Arabs in Israel”. Journal of Ethnic and Migration Studies 30: 175–193.
dim, how may times do i have to remind you i am not your dear. stop it.
Neither are the Bedouins? If so than why is here they are used as the example of victims of Israel policies towards Arab citizens of Israel?
Our world, especially Israel is full with nuances and that is one of the main ideas I am trying to deliver here. As long as here the prevailing majority paints Israel/Zionism in one color I will be standing by the opposite side. There is no dialogue here-only full aggressive and narrow-minding assault on my country and our ideals.
“There is no dialogue here-only full aggressive and narrow-minding assault on my country and our ideals.”
Change your ideals to one that is less evil-one person, one vote, from the Med to the Jordan is my simple suggestion-and you will find lots of dialogue.
I apologize if you feel offended . It just a polite way of addressing another person.
Best
Yeah, this is what “courtesy” looks like to an Israeli.
Annie: Do not, or can not? As a gay man in the United States, I find that difference speaks volumes.
They can and most certainly do. I was proud to serve with many of them, and they make one of finest people and soldiers I ever met.
How does it feel, to know that while you were serving with an Arab or two, you were busy strip searching their six-year-old cousin on the West Bank? Or blowing up a hospital in Gaza where their grandfather was staying in? Is there any dichotomy for you, knowing that the only reason you’re not slaughtering their children is they were lucky enough to be under the 20-percent quota of ethnic cleansing? I imagine there would have to be for them.
Where you get those facts about 20-percent quota? Now as I’m trying to explain here it is a national and territorial conflict between the two statehoods- one formed (Israel) and another trying to instead of previous one (PA). Therefore as an Israeli citizens, for me and Arab citizens of Israel, who decide to serve in IDF, the choice is obvious. Same as for the Arab soldiers in the US army or Irish in UK. Now did you know that Adyge( Cherkess) soldiers serve in IDF and also in Jordanian King personal guard? They are Muslim and enjoy full rights in Israel.
My daughter ( 3 years old) was strip-searched at the Madrid airport, in my presence, as the request of TSA. Now should I go and fight the Spanish ? Please tell me.
Not unless they wait until she’s 13 and then empty 2 clips of bullets into her, a la IDF style.
I can’t believe you’re actually trying to pass it off as good and normal to blow up hospitals and strip-search children.
Anyway your daughter was strip-searched once. There are Palestinian children who are strip-searched every single time they pass a checkpoint.
As if Israel was formed as “a land without people for people without land.” Israel was a European colonial project that destroyed the existing Palestinian civil society. It’s not that Palestine didn’t exist until recently its that you and your ancestors waged an armed insurgency and an ethnic cleansing that drove off massive numbers of non-Jews who are still refugees to this day.
The quota I am talking about has to do with the fact that Israel denies lawful right of return to Palestinian families. The house you are living in right now — was it built on the remains of a Palestinian village? Who died to make room for your ass?
I served at the checkpoints and it is just not true. Now as for my ass- do not worry about it, it lies not at the Arab property whatsoever.
“I served at the checkpoints and it is just not true.”
I believe you to the exact same extent I believe all the inmate’s in all the world’s prisons who, equally convincingly, claim that didn’t commit their crimes, either.
It is not the question of to believe or not to-I just stated the fact that I was there for 3 years, and you read about it.
We have a mountain of testimony (and photos) of what you jack-booted thugs do to Palestinians at your checkpoints. There’s a sampling of it here.
So nobody’s buying your bullshit.
“Every Israeli over the age of 18 is IDF unless they have explicitly refused service.”
Okay, and those that refused service would have clean hands so they shouldn’t undergo this type of treatment, nor those who have tried to atone for the sins of their state by working for freedom and justice for the Palestinians. As for the rest, if they supported this treatment for the Palestinians, it is moral appropriate that they get a bit of what they gave, right?
Good. Now they can go back to Israel and start convincing those around them that treating Palestinians like that isn’t right and they went through something similar and that didn’t feel so good.
As background, I think it is important to remember that Fijian soldiers have been a significant addition to the UNIFIL peacekeeping forces in Lebanon since its inception in 1978,, and in fact several Fijian soldiers were seriously injured in the Qana massacre, when Israeli forces bombed the UN Headquarters in Qana, Lebanon in 1996, killing over a hundred Lebanese civilians.
This incident occurred in 2006, during the 2006 Lebanon War, and the week before Israel had again bombed a UN building in Lebanon, after repeated warnings, and killed 4 UN observers. Fijian animosity towards Israelis should be understood in that context.
Although the abbreviated Ynet report certainly makes it sound like an uncalled for action against the Israeli tourists, I did feel an inkling of schadenfreude at this:
“I don’t look like a terrorist and there is no reason to point a gun at me,” Nimrod Lahav wrote in a letter to ambassador Tamir.
Avracohen wrote that the incident was the most humiliating experience he had ever gone through.
Heaven forbid someone who doesn’t “look like a terrorist” undergo a little humiliation.
Oh, so there are people who look like terrorists, okay. I think it’s safe to assume these particular Israelis got taught a lesson which probably would not diffuse through their thick skulls.
>> We should hassle Israelis EVERYWHERE for their papers.
I disagree. Hateful, immoral supremacists like eee, sure. But – thankfully – not all Israelis are like eee.
Can you tell me if you find one that isn’t?
eljay. The Israeli polls are quite clear on this. All but a tiny handful–a single digit percentile of Israeli Jews– are not “hateful, immoral supremacists like eee.”
>> Can you tell me if you find one that isn’t?
Do you seriously believe that all Israelis are hateful supremacists like eee? Wow, I’m honestly surprised by that comment. Anyway, how about members of Bat Shalom for starters?
>> All but a tiny handful–a single digit percentile of Israeli Jews– are not “hateful, immoral supremacists like eee.”
If “all but a tiny handful are not like eee”, that means most are good people deserving of good treatment.
And if you meant “all but a tiny handful are like eee”, that tiny handful is still deserving of good treatment.
The good Israelis have Shmuel and Avi as their examples of what the right thing to do vis-a-vis the Israeli terror state: leave.
I think this was a few years ago at the time the Fijian military took over.