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  1. seafoid
    July 5, 2011, 12:43 pm

    Hi Phil

    Could you get someone to match our donations ?
    Or what about hooking up with sympathetic groups like Code Pink?

  2. patm
    July 5, 2011, 1:06 pm

    Phil, a new commenter suggested yesterday that as well as posts supporting Palestinians, mondo should post reports showing how Israel affects the pocketbooks of Americans. Here is an example.

    $6.64 Billion Damages Sought over Israeli Government and AIPAC Use of Stolen Classified US Trade Data
    Grant F. Smith | IRmep | May 24, 2011

    WASHINGTON–(BUSINESS WIRE)–Today the Section 301 Committee of the US Trade Representative formally received a petition demanding $6.64 billion in compensation for US exporters. In 1984 US exporters were urged to submit business confidential data about their prices, market share, internal costs and market strategy to the International Trade Commission. The USTR guaranteed confidentiality and compiled the data into a classified report for use in negotiating the US-Israel Free Trade Agreement.

    The Israeli government obtained the classified USTR report and passed it to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee to use in lobbying and public relations. Declassified FBI investigation files in the petition reveal AIPAC’s legislative director made illicit duplications before returning the report by order of the USTR. The FBI interviewed Israeli Minister of Economics Dan Halpern who admitted obtaining the classified document and giving it to AIPAC.

    According to the petition Israel unfairly leveraged the business confidential data stolen from US corporations and industry groups to create new export oriented industries to penetrate the American market. Israel thereby gained an unwarranted systemic advantage. The US-Israel FTA is an anomaly among all bilateral FTAs in that it principally benefits the foreign party, providing a destination for 40% of Israel’s exports. The petition claims it is now a private industry funded foreign aid program. In 2010 the US Israel FTA produced an $11.2 billion US deficit in goods trade. Over a decade the US deficit has averaged $7.09 billion per year. The cumulative US-Israel deficit in current dollars since 1985 is $80.9 billion.

    Analysis of all other US-bilateral FTAs reveals that they do not deliver a systemic advantage to either partner. In 2010, the US had a $31.43 billion total surplus with its other bilateral FTA partners, though in 2006 and 2007 these same agreements produced a narrow US deficit.

    The petition recommends the $6.64 billion be proportionally divided between nearly 80 US organizations according to their trailing 10 year revenues. If the Israeli government will not pay damages directly, the petition recommends the US implement a five year import duty over all Israeli exports to the United States to generate the compensation.

    For information about the petition and compensation formula, contact Grant F. Smith at the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, DC at 202-342-7325 or by email at [email protected].link to alethonews.wordpress.com

  3. DianaValerie
    July 5, 2011, 2:01 pm

    Phil, I would be interested in volunteering to help maintain the site. Respond to this message if you’re interested. I believe we’re also friends on facebook.
    DVG

  4. Justice Please
    July 5, 2011, 2:46 pm

    If you walked past me I would gladly hand you 60 dollars. But I have no credit card and no PayPal :-(

    • LeaNder
      July 5, 2011, 5:01 pm

      Justice, it’s really easy to open a PayPal account, but it may be causing Phil too much trouble, given that the official fund drive uses credit cards only. And yes post Wikileaks we were told we shouldn’t use Amazon and Paypal, but admittedly I did nevertheless. But I discovered in this context that the Paypal rates for transfers to the US means doubled fees for exchange plus transfer rates, plus rates and time if Phil has to forward it to another account.

      I’ll have to change to a different account type at my bank, ironically with credit card and even lower fees for the account than I pay now. Without Mondoweiss I wouldn’t have realized this. I always thought, I don’t need a credit card, beyond my basic bank card with which I can pay anywhere over here in Europe, but there you go.

      • Daniel Rich
        July 6, 2011, 5:37 pm

        Hi LeaNder,

        Paypal is not a bank and as such is not held to the same standards [or whatever is left of that] as real banks.

    • Adam Horowitz
      July 5, 2011, 5:39 pm

      Thanks for the support Justice Please! You can always send a check to our fiscal sponsor as well. If you’re interested, you can write a check made payable to “CERSC – Mondoweiss” and mail it to CERSC, PO Box 180165, Chicago, IL 60618.

      Thanks,
      Adam

      • lobewyper
        July 5, 2011, 10:39 pm

        Adam,

        Why not post all the information about ways to donate in one place, permanently?

      • Justice Please
        July 6, 2011, 2:16 pm

        Adam, sorry for not making this clear earlier – I’m in Germany, I think this check thing is only working inside the US, no?

        I guess I have to bother with PayPal to make this work. Thanks for the effort, though, and good luck!

        • Sumud
          July 6, 2011, 10:52 pm

          Justice Please ~ I’m not sure about the situation in Germany but pre-Paypal I used to buy eBay goods from the US and pay via Western Union money orders (ie. drawn in US dollars) which were available at any post office here in Australia. I’d be surprised if you couldn’t still do the same, and Western Union are everywhere.

  5. Citizen
    July 5, 2011, 3:37 pm

    Yes, Americans should know how the USA made Israel the “plucky little economic & hi-tek powerhouse” it is today–and how the USA’s unique generousity to Israel contributed & to the current sad economic state the USA is in today–and still does, with no end in sight despite the US government slashing the quality of life out of Americans, with an end like Greece on the horizon.

    Beginning in the 1970s, Israel could no longer meets its financial needs with imported capital (i.e., gifts from the Jewish diaspora, German reparations, US foreign aid) and began to rely more on borrowed capital. By the mid-1980s Israel Israel was in near economic financial crisis.

    In 1985, the USA gave Israel a special economic assistance aid package of $ 1.5 billion essentially to bail it out [Title 1, Chp V of PL 99-88] and the USA concluded its first free trade agreement, the lop-sided one discussed in patm’s comment above. This FTA dramatically boosted Israel’s exports to the USA. The US-Israel Joint Economic Development Group [JEDG] meets annually to reaccess and tinker with said FTA. (In 1985 also, all US military aid to Israel was converted to grants.]

    In 1991, the USA gave Israel 10 billion in loan guarantees to aid Jews immigrating to Israel after the USSR collapsed. Such gifts and the general fungibility in Israel of US aid to Israel, I would say, sure help Israel’ s credit rating, yes? Hence the Israeli government has lots more chips to play with for domestic use.

    Too, in 1991, the USA also gave Israel 650 million to pay for any damage due to OP Desert Storm; gave Israel too free Patriot missiles to defend against any Iraqi scud missile attacks on Israel.

    In 2003 the USA gave 9 billion to Israel in loan guarantees (over a 3 yr period) in the aftermath of the USA’s invasion of Iraq [PL 108-11] and 1 billion more in military grants. This greatly aided Israel’s failing economy at the time.

    Further, the USA gave Israel 180 million for Arrow missiles, and another 7.9 billion in loan guarantees for housing and settling soviet jews.

    In November of 2003, the US Dept of State announced 3 billion in loan guarantees to Israel would be reduced because Israel continued to build settlements in the OT & construct more “security” walls.

    In 2005, the US again announced it would reduce loan guarantees to Israel for building settlements in the OT. No such announcements have been made since 2005, although Israel is obligated to use such USA loan guarantees to refinance its debt to free up funds for domestic use, not to support jewish settlements in the OT.

    Numerous other USA-Israel scientific-business cooperative organizations funded initially with lots of US government dollars exist to benefit Israel via promoiton of private capital investment in Israel , e.g., the BIRD Foundation was set up by the USA in 1977 to jump-start and oil the then nascent Israeli hi-tek sector. The BSF Foundation was also set up in the 1970s to promote similar research with matching grants. The BARD Foundation was established in 1978 for R & D re agriculture and food (if memory serves).

    In November of 2009, BARD partnered with the US Dept of Energy & Israel to launch Israeli clean energy projects, including solar power tek & smart grid tek.

    More ASHA grants for schools and hospitals go to Israel than anyplace else in the ME; these are tax exempt for participating US fellow institutions.

    Generally, France was the one giving aid to Israel until around the time of the Six Day War; originally France provided advanced military & technology to Israel to counter Egypt’s providing arms & training to the Algerian freedom fighters striving for Algeria’s independence from France.

    Johnson, with strong support from the US Congress approved the sale of Phantom jets to Israel after France (de Gaulle) refused to supply Israel with military hardware to protest Israel’s preemptive launch of the Six Day War in June of 1967. This set the precedent for the US to make sure Israel always had a qualitive military edge over its neighbors.

    USA direct aid to Israel averaged 107 million from ’66-’70 (47% military aid); in ’71 the US Congress commenced earmarking specific funds to Israel.

    Israel has been the largest recipient of US aid since 1974, averaging 2.6-3.1 billion per year in direct aid alone (with Egypt getting aid at reduced ratio as a result of the ’78 & ’79 Camp David agreements, although the aid composite dual aid package ratio is not mentioned in those agreements. [Basically this biggest chunk of all US aid to Israel was a bribe for Israel to give back the Sinai Peninsula & for Egypt to play nice with Israel, See PL 96-35]

    Further USA aid to Israel was given to support the I-P peace plan by funding Israeli troop and installation withdrawal from the WB: 1.2 billion under the 10-23-’98 Wye Agreement (Title VI, HR 3422).

    And so it goes, as Kurt Vonnegut said. And Allison Weir repeats over on her IfAmericanOnlyKnew web site.

    • patm
      July 6, 2011, 7:53 am

      “Yes, Americans should know how the USA made Israel the “plucky little economic & hi-tek powerhouse” it is today….”

      Citizen, what a litany! And AIPAC’s theft of US classified trade data is only now being litigated. This Lobby is more than just a cancer on the body politic. Its members are guilty of treason.

      Phil and Adam might consider a link-up with Allison Weir’s “If Americans Only Knew” web site. This ‘pocket-book’ avenue of attack would be a real winner, I think.

      • Theo
        July 6, 2011, 12:45 pm

        I was ready to send a check for $100, however I certainly changed my mind during the past few weeks!!

        You always complain about the MSM that they avoid certain subjects that you find important, do not respond to e-mails and delete messages to their blogs, however you do exactly the same thing!!!
        Mondoweiss is against the zionist and the israeli occupation of Palestina, however please do not mention that those zionists and israelis are also jews. In other words, pussyfoot around the subject.
        It is like being against the nazis, but please do not mention those nazis were also german.
        I may be wrong, however it seems to me this whole blog is a sham, certain people are trying to make money with it.
        When you do something than do it with full power and all means that is not illegal or unethical, although with the zionists we certainly do not have to worry about ethics. They never heard that word.

        Phil and Adam and all others, you cannot make an omelette without breaking the eggs and as long as you are worried about getting bad vibrations from fellow jews, forget the whole thing. 90% of those will always support the jewish cause, regardless what it may be, so you are in the minority and always be!!!
        Here I must commend the pro zionist comments, (although I certainly do not agree with them), they ALWAYS use a correct language without insults. Not so the regulars with MW.

        • alec
          July 6, 2011, 2:37 pm

          You have no idea what we delete from the pro-Zionist crowd. Makes you seem like a schoolboy.

          I do think you can separate Germans and Nazis and as you can separate Jews and Zionists and Israelis. Your analogy is false from the get go.

          Sorry to hear that you think this weblog is a sham. I can assure you that neither Phil nor Adam are getting wealthy from the work here. Consider the economics of running this site and supporting two families on the twice annual fund drives here.

          Your donation would be appreciated even if you don’t agree with Mondoweiss.net all of the time.

        • Danaa
          July 6, 2011, 3:07 pm

          Theo, you are being petty – be a man and go on and send your $100. purism be damned.

          You know very well you can never ever find a blog with which you’ll agree 100%. Probably not even your own.

        • Citizen
          July 6, 2011, 3:13 pm

          alec, maybe he should google “The White Rose?”

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 3:24 pm


          Mondoweiss is against the zionist and the israeli occupation of Palestina, however please do not mention that those zionists and israelis are also jews.

          excuse me? perhaps we are on different sites! if you think this blog is a sham what are you wasting your time here for?

        • Citizen
          July 6, 2011, 3:31 pm

          annie, I guess he thinks the members of the White Rose had to remind each other they were Germans.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 6:39 pm

          I for one, eagerly await Theo’s evidence that being Jewish causes Zionists to act as they do. Perhaps if Theo can tell us which aspects of the Jewish religion cause the crimes and atrocities of the Zionists, we could send a petition to the central Jewish authorities and have these things changed. And as everybody knows, once the head of the Jewish religion (excuse me, I’ve forgotten his name and title, but maybe Theo knows) sends out a memo (I think Catholics call them “bulls”, but I’m not sure) detailing changes, all Jews will immediately comply. Especially when they realise that faults in their religious doctrine have caused them to commit wrongs of a type and scope which has never before appeared in human history.
          Cause if there is one thing Judaism is known for, it’s the efficiency and centrality of its religious administration. And of course, the instant and willing compliance of all Jews to the head Temple.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 6:43 pm

          “It is like being against the nazis, but please do not mention those nazis were also german.”

          Damn you, Goethe! And you too, Beethoven! And what about that Nazi song, the “Ode to Strength Through Joy” What the hell is Ludwig Von’s excuse for writing them a theme song!

        • Citizen
          July 6, 2011, 10:40 pm

          Not to mention the largest ethnic group in the USA: German. How about Van Stueben, Ike, Nimitz, Schwartzkopf–now how often to we hear they are German?

        • alec
          July 7, 2011, 8:29 am

          Don’t know how this one slipped through Bart. Oops already gone.

        • Theo
          July 7, 2011, 9:58 am

          citizen, I know very well who were the White Rose and what they did, I just don´t understand what you mean by mentioning them.

        • Mooser
          July 8, 2011, 10:48 am

          Theo, hasn’t Phil turned himself, and his family, inside out, in these pages explicating the relationship between American Jews and Zionism, as he sees it? I can’t figure out what more you want out of him.
          If you think that there is some intrinsic link between Judaism, or even Jewishness and the actions of Israel and Zionism, don’t hold back, please expose it in detail.
          As far as I can see, the actions of the Zionists and Israel are well within the parameters of human colonial behavior. The biggest contribution of Jewishness, Judaism, Jewish religion, Jewish history provides to the Zionists is a rich lode from which to mine excuses and human raw material. And history (if I’ve learned from it) shows that nearly anything will do for that, depending on which group of people you are trying to appeal to.

  6. seafoid
    July 5, 2011, 5:42 pm

    Would there be any interest in a Mondo magazine that brought together the best articles and the best comments every 3 months? Even just a PDF. I’d buy it for $5, 4 times a year. It would be a great way of getting new people on board too .

    • Danaa
      July 6, 2011, 3:03 pm

      Seafoid, I have been thinking along similar lines. There has been over the months and years some truly great posts and quite a few wonderful comments, that unfortunately get buried as news progress at break-neck pace. I might even volunteer time to help in editing of such. But I think the price you suggest should be twice a high. I know I’d buy a collated set of Hostage’s selected comment for the trove of information they contain – that alone would be worth $25. to me, if only for the time it’d save looking for supporting material on the net. Not that he/she is the only one – hardly. I have quite a few favorites and there are many people who comment here that are clearly expert in one area or another. And still others whose posts read like butter – a balm for us all tortured souls.

      I’ll follow up your suggestion and raise you $20.

  7. annie
    July 5, 2011, 11:02 pm

    every morning i wake up and check the drive numbers. then i think about how much money it take to live nowadays, even meagerly. especially when people have families to take care of. and flat tires.

    i recall the last drive and phil said something to me, i can’t remember what it was exactly. i just remember chewing him out and telling him he earned any penny the drive brought in. that it costs money to run an site and it takes hrs and hrs every single day. unless one has a benefactor one would be poor all the time!

    in a perfect world this site would generate 100 grand a year, at least! plus think of the great coverage during egypt’s (ongoing) revolution.

    hopefully every single day for the next month the drive will bring in at least another $1000 a day. that should hold you over till the end of the year. barely.

    • gloriousbach
      July 6, 2011, 2:21 pm

      “every morning i wake up and check the drive numbers. then i think about how much money it take to live nowadays. . . . in a perfect world this site would generate 100 grand a year, at least! plus think of the great coverage during egypt’s (ongoing) revolution.”
      - – - –
      Yes, 100% agree with you, Annie, you describe my reactions exactly. I read comments from the latest-to-earliest and was discouraged as I scrolled up to your post by the relatively petulant digressions — relative, that is, to the horror of what is inflicted to human beings moment-to-moment on Middle East ground — and relative to the heroic efforts that Phil, Adam, and other bloggers make.

      The tiresome and time-consuming digressions downthread which trolls inflict on us — GF being upset and someone else whose name I’ve forgotten, being annoyed at something else and deciding to punish Mondoweiss by not contributing a possible $100. What a time-wasting headache this must be for those who maintain the site. Perspective: it’s a terrible thing to lose.

      • alec
        July 6, 2011, 2:43 pm

        That GuiltyFeat is a professional Web 2.0 entertainer and propagandist I find enormously diverting.

        And exactly why Phil and Adam need our support. The other side is hiring or incentivizing professionals to disrupt their work.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 3:41 pm

          Beautiful. Now the mods are joining in with ad hominem lies and attempts to undermine individuals rather than actually argue a point.

          What a revolting way to run a site.

          I think I’m done here.

          Alec, congratulations, you’ve achieved everything your drive could hope for, driving away people who don’t agree with you.

        • Taxi
          July 6, 2011, 8:47 pm

          “I think I’m done here”.

          So like ba-bye and good riddance.

          Remember us in a couple of years when you’re being forced to pack your colonialist bags on your way back home to England.

          I’m sure in the meantime hasbaraheadquarters will find you a non “revolting” site to suit your prissy disposition, a happy fun site where you can troll and peddle your soft-shelled racism at.

        • Chu
          July 6, 2011, 8:58 pm

          Thanks for helping GF leave, Alec. Well done.

        • alec
          July 7, 2011, 8:38 am

          I’m not a mod, Daniel. I’m a supporter and a contributor and we provide technical support. All those lovely new features which show some people talking out of both sides of their mouths, you can thank me for.

          So you can address your mod-attacks to Phil and Adam. If you have any issues with the functioning of the site, fire away.

  8. patm
    July 6, 2011, 8:38 am

    I’ve got another suggestion for mondo. Making Israel’s hired propagandists pay for the privilege of coming to the site each day and spewing their lies.

    Yes they are useful tools in educating newcomers, but we have plenty of other critics who perform this same function. I think some of mondo’s ‘old hands’ are feeling the same sense of burnout that Phil is. It is extremely tedious to have to refute these paid shills day after day.

    GuiltyFeat is one such shill. Being a crafty old woman and a trained researcher, I discovered that he works for a company doing Israel’s hasbara work. He’s a “Web2 evangelist” i.e. a person paid to talk back for Israel on social networking sites.

    GuiltyFeat is no friend of Mondoweiss. His bosses must be quite pleased with his work, and they must also be laughing their heads off at us for allowing their employee to tie up thread after thread.

    If GF wishes to post at Mondo, payment should be demanded and a different coloured star assigned to his name. This treatment should apply to the other shills as well.

    Israel is a dangerous enemy and should be treated as same. Playing nice in matters such as this is not going to get Palestinians free or the US solvent.

    • GuiltyFeat
      July 6, 2011, 10:00 am

      “I discovered that he works for a company doing Israel’s hasbara work.”

      Er… except I don’t. Please provide evidence of this latest lie.

      Also, why did you try to follow me on Twitter? I see also that you created an account on LinkedIn just to view my profile. You’re really starting to creep me out.

      “Crafty old woman” or “clueless and creepy stalker” who likes to hijack every thread with ad hominem lies about me? You say potato…

      A web 2.0 evangelist was a term I used to describe a previous role where I evangelized about web 2.0, not about Israel, you silly billy. Do you know what web 2.0 is? It’s kind of an outdated term now, but you’ve written Web2 a couple of times which makes me think you’re even more clueless than I imagined.

      • patm
        July 6, 2011, 10:29 am

        Guilty, you know who and what you are, and so do I. Le’t see you cough up some dough to support Mondoweiss.

      • annie
        July 6, 2011, 10:44 am

        a previous role where I evangelized about web 2.0 , not about Israel, you silly billy.

        silly billy us. iow you’ve been a professional web 2.0 troll interacting w/people in the internet without disclosing you are a hired professional for web 2.0 but otherwise you are simply representing yourself wrt israel. i understand.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 11:07 am

          No. As a Web 2.0 evangelist, I went round the world lecturing about various things including how to make user-generated content, specifically web video, work for you. Here’s a white paper I wrote on the subject: link to reelseo.com

          Here’s a report about a talk I gave in New York about piracy on video sharing sites. link to lightreading.com

          Annie I understand that you may never have heard the term “web 2.0 evangelist” before and it’s certainly outdated now, but your assumptions about what I did for a living make you look foolish.

          Check out these links for examples of the phrase which have nothing to do with misrepresenting oneself for commercial gain.

          link to deepjiveinterests.com “Barack Obama: Bigger Web2.0 Evangelist Than Mike Arrington?”

          link to tropicalteachers.com “Job Posting: Web 2.0 Evangelist – Small, rural, public liberal arts university seeks an individual to spearhead building school-related, web 2.0 social networks and platforms for faculty, staff, and students.”

          link to youtube.com “Rapper MC Hammer — also an entrepreneur and technology/Web 2.0 evangelist — speaking at the ANA Multicultural Marketing & Diversity Conference in Phoenix, Arizona”

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 11:09 am

          oh, ok

          wouldn’t it be marvelous if those working to promote israel as part of an official/professional hasbara team just came right out an admited it online? but nobody ever does that. therefore it’s natural to speculate who amongst us is of the paid variety. no?

          it’s not us you should be bummed at GF, it’s all those undercover agents working in an official capacity and not admitting it. there’s absolutely no logical reason a popular site like mondoweiss wouldn’t be monitored by the goi, and infiltrated.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 11:17 am

          “it’s not us you should be bummed at GF, it’s all those undercover agents working in an official capacity and not admitting it.”

          OK so I’m bummed at them. Now will patm stop hijacking threads to tell lies about me? I’m guessing not.

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 11:36 am

          i don’t think the thread was highjacked, it’s a day old. a highjack is more akin to what you did over on the hitchen’s thread, turning it into a statement about code pink.

          what’s going on here is m0re like a reinvigoration of a thread. but i see your point.

          what i’m curious about is the way web.2 promoters pretended to be christian evangelicals, ingratiating themselves w/other evangelicals, and then promoting web.2 as if they were just casual/regular posters on the social media site. someone linked to it yesterday. did you ever do that during your time working for the company? pretend to be an evangelical? or i am extrapolating a different meaning from the term evangelical? i wish i had that link someone linked to yesterday. i can’t remember where i read it.

          maybe you have it.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 11:58 am

          er… no, I have never pretended to be an evangelical.

          I wouldn’t even know what I was supposed to do if I was one.

          Annie are you sure you understand what I mean by Web 2.0 evangelist? It means I spoke to companies about the importance of interacting with their users online. Mondoweiss is a classic web 2.0 site. By encouraging healthy debate rather than simply publishing a blog that doesn’t allow comments, Phil could be reasonably described as a web 2.0 evangelist… if it was still 2006.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 6:51 pm

          “OK so I’m bummed at them. Now will patm stop hijacking threads to tell lies about me? I’m guessing not.”

          Aha! Now I understand your approach! So if you tell us you are against the Occupations, or house demolitions, or any one of a number of things you have said you don’t approve of, we should stop getting upset about them, stop protesting them?
          Makes perfect sense, if you have an unspeakable amount of political and personal narcissism, I guess.

          Say, Guilty Feat, how do you say “Mommy, Mommy, he’s telling lies about me” in Hebrew? Does you sound any less like a neurotic spoiled child in that contrived linguistic dogs-breakfast?

  9. GuiltyFeat
    July 6, 2011, 10:43 am

    MODS I want this to stop. If you stop publishing her ad hominem attacks, I can stop refuting them.

    She is in persistent violation of your own comments policy. No one can be enjoying or benefiting from this exchange.

    • annie
      July 6, 2011, 11:03 am

      GF, if you’ve worked as professional undercover web promoter in the past i can see why that could put you in an uncomfortable position here but i’m not clear how revealing that violates site rules. maybe over @ dkos you’d be protected tho. maybe that would be a better home for you.

      anyway, you might be right. i’d have to review site rules. have you emailed adam and phil?

      No one can be enjoying or benefiting from this exchange.

      i’m benefiting from the exchange. i find it quite revealing you’ve worked as a paid internet media professional before. heck, if someone would pay me i’d do it to as long as i was allowed to promote ideas i believed in.

      nice diversion over @ the hitchens thread btw. it must take some skill to turn a thread focusing on hitchen’s crazy hasbara allegations into a ‘medea hearts hamas’ thread. heck, i supposed somebody’s got to do it/not.

      is this what an outing looks like? nah, an outing is what dkos accused me of doing. linking volleyboy to jon s’s threads on zionism. uber ouch! merely the suggestion i thought they had a similiar voice(i didn’t mention volleyball’s ‘real name’ is jon s, which i presume everyone he emails back , including me, already knows) got me banned on dkos. ultimately they did me a favor, team shalom and their ideological cohorts are a drag. you’d like it there GF, it’s your kind of place. look on the bright side, i don’t think anyone here would ban you just because you used to work as an undercover media troll for this web.2 thing.

      rellllaxxx. it’s just the internet.

      • GuiltyFeat
        July 6, 2011, 11:15 am

        Annie, read my post above. I have never worked as an “undercover web promoter”. Not understanding the term “web 2.0 evangelist” is no excuse for starting up a whole new set of lies in order to discredit me in the most personal, ad hominem way.

        I have no problem with patm revealing my name or my job. I have a problem with her getting it wildly wrong in order to attack my integrity. Also I’m creeped out that she opened a Linked In account just to investigate me and started a Twitter account just to follow me.

        I wrote to Adam and Phil about it last night. Adam basically said he couldn’t care less.

        I’ve never been to dkos. I got here from Pulse which has far less interaction.

      • Danaa
        July 6, 2011, 9:36 pm

        annie, are you saying that the jon s zio-troll who posts here sometimes (not very ably or memorably) is the same as lib zio bleeding heart volleyboy1 of DK infamy?

        Just wondering – it’ a slow gossip day for me today…..

    • patm
      July 6, 2011, 11:03 am

      A great many mondo regulars can benefit from your being outed for the professional Web2 Israeli troll that you are.

      • GuiltyFeat
        July 6, 2011, 11:18 am

        WTF? MODS why?

        3. No personal attacks. We encourage spirited, passionate debate, but if you have to resort to vicious personal attack, you’re not advancing the discussion. Stay on the issues.

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 11:26 am

          i guess i am not understanding what the big stink is about. i don’t hear you going apeshit the ifm is hiring bloggers to defend the state.

          what’s wrong w/defending the state in the internet? you do it all the time so you get offended by the suggestion you’re paid to do it?

          just blow it off. i’d be happy to support the idea of not claiming hasbarists were pro’s when and if the paid professionals come out of the closet GF, but they won’t. it’s them you should direct your against towards, not those of us trying to figure out who the undercovers are in our midst.

          just consider it part of the downside of defending war criminals, kinda like medea has to contend with people like you accusing her of representing war criminals.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 11:43 am

          “what’s wrong w/defending the state in the internet? you do it all the time so you get offended by the suggestion you’re paid to do it?”

          No. I get offended by the repeated accusation that I am lying about being paid for it.

          Here’s the thing, Annie. I don’t believe anyone who has ever visited Mondoweiss or who is ever likely to visit Mondoweiss would ever be persuaded by a paid hasbarist no matter how silky-tongued.

          Whoever is running the paid team of hasbarists would probably be smart enough to avoid a dead end like this.

          Do you really think eee, hophmi, longliveisrael, RW and the like are making any headway here? It’s just too unlikely that they’re being paid to come back here day after day to be ridiculed and, worse, argued with.

          If you asked me it is far more likely that the people doing it for a living are on non-political sites like YouTube or in the comments section of foreign newspapers where they’re just trying to balance the volume of anti-Israel comments rather than actually defeat anyone’s argument.

          There’s simply no percentage in sending ringers to Mondoweiss, in my opinion.

          I think the obsession of patm (and others) with “paid hasbaristas” on MW is paranoia. I could be wrong. I just don’t see the point of Israel sending anyone here.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 12:26 pm

          “3. No personal attacks.”

          That word “personal”, Guilty Feat, do you understand what it means? I don’t think you do. Anything you put on the web which can be accessed is no longer “personal”, it’s now public.

          You, like so many others, think that “personal” means ‘it’s your obligation to protect the false image I desire to project’ Sorry, fella, that’s not it.

        • alec
          July 6, 2011, 2:40 pm

          Sorry, this site is under constant surveillance and regular attack.

          Highly like that you are somehow indirectly compensated for your efforts here.

          Would you mind letting us know if you do any work for any Israeli or AIPAC organisations or clients?

        • Danaa
          July 6, 2011, 9:44 pm

          GF, there’s as much point of sending people here a there was in the Amina hoax (which I still believe was part of a larger scheme of “pinkwashing” of which the LezbeReal “Paula” was part as well).

          I would like to be on record as one who does not think you are actually paid (though you might want to be). It is far more likely that the paid agents are undercover, and are not the ones advancing the zio line

          By the same token I definitely don’t believe that anyone would pay the likes of eee, hophmi or witty – that would be like an own goal.

          But, if you want to be classy – you could try to contribute a little. After all, fun you are having…(which is what I think your purpose really is; and that may be worse than being a troll…)

        • Daniel Rich
          July 7, 2011, 6:05 am

          Q: Whoever is running the paid team of hasbarists would probably be smart enough to avoid a dead end like this.

          R: Nice try, but this fallacy [for an individual who persitently ask for proof and evidence you come up quite light on that branch of your quest for the 'truth.'] doesn’t get airborn, because it’s a virtual and severly constipated dodo.

          link to unc.edu

    • Koshiro
      July 6, 2011, 11:07 am

      Any reason, GF, you cannot just ignore her? You manage to ignore actual arguments all the time quite well.

      • LeaNder
        July 7, 2011, 9:02 am

        GF: It’s just too unlikely that they’re being paid to come back here day after day to be ridiculed and, worse, argued with.

        I haven’t been following the GF debate. But basically I am not fond of the paid troll argument, since i am assuming that the vast majority is not paid, but educated to consider it her moral duty. But the above is interesting: “worse, argued with”.

        If I do not want to be argued with, why would I want to comment?

    • eljay
      July 6, 2011, 11:16 am

      >> MODS I want this to stop. If you stop publishing her ad hominem attacks, I can stop refuting them.
      >> She is in persistent violation of your own comments policy. No one can be enjoying or benefiting from this exchange.

      I agree. patm appears to have misunderstood the concept of Web 2.0 and what being a proponent (“evangelist”) of it actually means.

      What is Web 2.0?
      Web 1.0 “interactions” were often passive, company out and company centric. Web 2.0 interactivity is active, often user generated and community and interest-centric.

      Without proof that GF is somehow sinisterly involved in “trolling for Israel”, her on-going pot-shots at GF come across as nothing more than harrassment.

    • Mooser
      July 6, 2011, 12:20 pm

      “No one can be enjoying or benefiting from this exchange.”

      Really? I’m getting a big kick out of your discomfiture, Guilty Feat.
      And I gotta admit, the way you ponce around giving orders to the moderators (“MODS I want this to stop”) is worth quite a few laughs.

      • Mooser
        July 6, 2011, 12:22 pm

        BTW, Guilty Feat, if you can mendaciously speculate about the flotilla’s complicity with Hamas, why can’t we speculate about something much more likely, and in fact, self-admitted in your comment archive, namely, the fact that you work for Israel?

        Anybody who wants to find out for themselves only has to “click” on Guilty Feat’s name, and his entire comment archive is available.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 12:31 pm

          I don’t know why Hasabrarats like Guilty Feat think ziocaine amnesia is incumbent on the rest of humanity, but they always do. I wonder what causes that.
          But I just can’t get over the way he snaps out commands to the “MODS”

          Sorry, Guilty, but the MODS have to spend so much time at the Mikveh after handling your comments, maybe they decided it wasn’t worth it.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 12:32 pm

          “in fact, self-admitted in your comment archive, namely, the fact that you work for Israel”

          Another lie from one of the lying liars who tells lies.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 2:58 pm

          “Another lie from one of the lying liars who tells lies.”

          You should go into archeology or even palaeontology, Guilty Feat. You really need to dig up a thesaurus.

        • Mooser
          July 6, 2011, 3:04 pm

          “Another lie from one of the lying liars who tells lies.”

          Hey, baby, what can I say? By deception, I do war, and all that, you know?

        • Citizen
          July 6, 2011, 3:29 pm

          Mooser, he just likes alliteration but does not have a big English vocabulary even though he likes to drop around his education in England. It’s the stunted poet in him. Zionism will do that.

        • Taxi
          July 6, 2011, 8:20 pm

          I think the word you’re looking for citizen is ‘poetaster’.

          Poetaster: (noun) A writer of insignificant, meretricious, or shoddy poetry.

        • yourstruly
          July 6, 2011, 9:09 pm

          isn’t the first rule of agent provatateurs, never admit you’re an agent? So why would an agemt (whether or not paid) own up to something that might cost her/him her/his pay check? as for how to respond to hasbara-style bad behavior, why respond at all? isn’t it well established that bad behavior may be improved by either ignoring or punishing it, not by rewarding it? And doesn’t the attention that’s directed at hasbara-like comments divert attention from the purpose of mw, which on this thread just happens to be raising enough money to keep it going?

      • annie
        July 6, 2011, 12:27 pm

        GF has over 15 comments trying to conflate medea is hamas back up support and this one is being highjacked accusing him of providing back up support for israel.

        ouch! alert the mods!

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 12:29 pm

          if only this were dkos he could alert team shalom to hr us into oblivion. where’s canadian gal when she’s needed most? one of her AS lectures would segue in so well at this juncture.

        • GuiltyFeat
          July 6, 2011, 12:30 pm

          The whole thread was about Christopher Hitchens comment:

          “It seems safe and fair to say that the flotilla and its leadership work in reasonably close harmony with Hamas.”

          In what way was anything I wrote in that thread off topic? Jeepers, Annie, what did you think the thread was going to be about?

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 12:58 pm

          actually, the topic of the thread was about how hitchens was lying. you chose to highjack the thread promoting and reinforcing his statements.

  10. patm
    July 6, 2011, 12:10 pm

    “I agree. patm appears to have misunderstood the concept of Web 2.0 and what being a proponent (“evangelist”) of it actually means.”

    Take a look at this, eljay. Is this not the GF we have come to know?

    link to bnet.com

    • annie
      July 6, 2011, 12:40 pm

      The Role of Evangelist For Web 2.0 Companies

      How do web 2.0 / consumer web app-ish type companies generate buzz for their free product or service online? Online promotions? Email blasts? Pray to be TechCrunched?

      I’ve seen an increasing number of companies do all this and one thing more: hire low-cost “evangelists” to sit at a computer all day and talk up their company’s free service.

      Imagine if you had one person whose sole purpose in life was to personally reach out to potential users, surf blogs and message boards and comment favorably about the company’s service, and attend MeetUps and informal confabs. While this might seem like generic marketing or sales duties, in a web 2.0 word, it’s a different personality: it’s a single person with a friendly face do one-on-one marketing with influential bloggers or podcasters.

      The economics aren’t necessarily obvious: Pay someone $30-40k a year to be an evangelist? How do you measure success? I don’t think you easily can. But it seems like many companies are at least giving it a try…with the hopes that with enough critical mass they, too, can reach the tipping point that Twitter seems to have hit at the South by Southwest Conference.
      How do web 2.0 / consumer web app-ish type companies generate buzz for their free product or service online? Online promotions? Email blasts? Pray to be TechCrunched?

      I’ve seen an increasing number of companies do all this and one thing more: hire low-cost “evangelists” to sit at a computer all day and talk up their company’s free service.

      Imagine if you had one person whose sole purpose in life was to personally reach out to potential users, surf blogs and message boards and comment favorably about the company’s service, and attend MeetUps and informal confabs. While this might seem like generic marketing or sales duties, in a web 2.0 word, it’s a different personality: it’s a single person with a friendly face do one-on-one marketing with influential bloggers or podcasters.

      The economics aren’t necessarily obvious: Pay someone $30-40k a year to be an evangelist? How do you measure success? I don’t think you easily can. But it seems like many companies are at least giving it a try…with the hopes that with enough critical mass they, too, can reach the tipping point that Twitter seems to have hit at the South by Southwest Conference.

      • GuiltyFeat
        July 6, 2011, 12:57 pm

        For the last time. I have never been an evangelist for a Web 2.0 company. Your ignorance is staggering. Have you ever heard of Google? Do a search for the term “Web 2.0 evangelist” not “evangelist” and “web 2.0″. More commonly today the term would be “tech evangelist”, but I don’t really do that anymore.

        I was an evangelist for the concept of Web 2.0 for people that didn’t understand its value. I worked with companies like Warner Brothers and content creators like Steven Bochco. I did not slink around on forums trying to get people to talk about why my Vaccum cleaners are the best.

        I’m sitting here laughing about how thick you’re being. It’s like me telling you I have a carphone (an expression only slightly more out of date than web 2.0 evangelist) and you telling everyone else that I drive around in a phone.

        • annie
          July 6, 2011, 3:40 pm

          ;)
          i just copied the text for everyone.

          GF, maybe i’m just having fun w/you. don’t get frazzled.

        • Taxi
          July 6, 2011, 9:08 pm

          “I have never been an evangelist …. I don’t really do that anymore.”

          You just can’t help speaking with both sides of yer mouth can you gf?

        • Mooser
          July 8, 2011, 10:52 am

          “For the last time.”

          Guilty Feat, you shouldn’t start out with a lie, you should sort of ease into it.

    • eljay
      July 6, 2011, 1:02 pm

      >> Take a look at this, eljay. Is this not the GF we have come to know?

      Quite honestly? No. I don’t see GF “talking up” Israel or trying to “sell” Israel. I see him participating in discussions about the I-P issue. I don’t agree with everything he says or how he may say the things he says, but I don’t see him as a shill for a “product”.

      GF’s history of “evangelizing” Web 2.0 appears to mean “promoting the Web 2.0″ framework, and not “shilling for a product” (in this case, Israel).

      • Mooser
        July 6, 2011, 3:01 pm

        “I don’t see GF “talking up” Israel or trying to “sell” Israel.”

        See your optometrist as soon as you can. I’ll be glad to lead you there if you keep walking into walls.
        Either that, or you have an even lower opinion of Israeli intelligence than I do.

        • eljay
          July 6, 2011, 3:20 pm

          >> See your optometrist as soon as you can. I’ll be glad to lead you there if you keep walking into walls.
          >> Either that, or you have an even lower opinion of Israeli intelligence than I do.

          Could just be that I’m just not a very S-M-R-T gentile. D’oh!! :-)

        • Mooser
          July 8, 2011, 10:55 am

          “Could just be that I’m just not a very S-M-R-T gentile. D’oh!! :-)”

          Well, you might be an exception, it is possible.

  11. patm
    July 6, 2011, 1:46 pm

    “I’ve seen an increasing number of companies do all this and one thing more: hire low-cost “evangelists” to sit at a computer all day and talk up their company’s free service.” link to bnet.com

    eljay, think of Israel as the company and propaganda as its free service.

    • eljay
      July 6, 2011, 3:19 pm

      >> eljay, think of Israel as the company and propaganda as its free service.

      I understand what you’re trying to say, but I just don’t see it. And without proof that he’s actually propagandizing on behalf of the Israeli government, I don’t believe it.

      Similarly, unless someone can actually prove that I’m a paid propaganda agent of the pro-Palestinian movement, one should not believe that I am anything but a person concerned about the plight of Palestinians.

      I may be mistaken about GF but, absent proof to the contrary, I don’t believe there’s anything sinister about him.

      • Danaa
        July 6, 2011, 9:52 pm

        My problem with GF is that the poster claimed to be a “she” sometime ago. Which I’m inclined to believe for some reason….

        Poster or poseur – enough to give one a headache…

      • patm
        July 7, 2011, 7:04 am

        eljay, In my short stint as online detective, I discovered a number of details about GF’s personal life. I have no intention of ever divulging any of them.

        If you choose to believe that GF, who claims to have children btw, is able to sit at his computer all day – on his own dime – chatting with us about I/P, then fine, you go ahead and believe it.

        • Taxi
          July 7, 2011, 9:32 am

          patm,

          You’re a smoking hot detective and I support your morally correct sense of discretion in this instance.

          The internet and our private lives – such a vast grey area between them and it must be tread with care and consideration.

  12. Mooser
    July 6, 2011, 3:06 pm

    “we want to grow personally”

    Well, so did I, so learn by my experience. None of those pumps or pills you get e-mails about in the spam folder really works.

  13. Koshiro
    July 6, 2011, 4:59 pm

    I’d like to donate for a subscription and have two questions:
    a) To who exactly does “Privacy Preference” refer? I assume to the site operators only?
    b) How much does shipping overseas cost you guys? It’s because while the gift would be nice, if the shipping cost is prohibitive, I’d prefer for you to keep the money.

  14. Sin Nombre
    July 6, 2011, 9:09 pm

    Phil Weiss wrote:

    “For we continue to believe that the Israel/Palestine issue is at the crux of international justice questions and at the crux of our country’s lost way in the Middle East.”

    Well, what’s at the “crux of our country’s lost way in the Middle East” then?

    While off-topic, a new data point: Frequently cited on this site is the idea that jewish donors contribute “60%” or so of the indiv. donations to Democratic Party coffers. Seems to most often come from a Wash. Post article.

    Wrong apparently. Per Zev Chafets “The actual stat, according to a Democratic insider privy to unreleased research, puts the figure closer to 80 percent.”

    See:

    link to thedailybeast.com

  15. Elliot
    July 6, 2011, 10:16 pm

    I second Seafoid’s suggestion of issuing a Mondo magazine. It’s a great idea and a much-needed way to give extended life to important articles and comments. A magazine will draw in new energy and raise the status of the site.

  16. gingershot
    July 8, 2011, 2:13 pm

    I really enjoyed the chance to hear Philip on Antiwar.com radio with Scott Horton regarding the Flotilla and ‘All Things I/P Considered’ – it was terrific.

    There’s a couple minutes on the difficulties fundraising in these difficult times – Antiwar.com has been scraping along just barely making it’s payroll as well apparently.

    link to antiwar.com

    • Citizen
      July 9, 2011, 4:43 am

      Thanks, gingershot. Phil makes all the key points in this interview, speaking as a Jew first, and an American second. Says he’s doesn’t like AIPAC et al speaking for him because he has different views and does not want to be complicit in what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Says also his nationality is American. Horton didn’t ask him the follow-up question, Gee aren’t Americans complicit too? OTOH, the interview does bring out that most Americans have no clue about the I-P situation, and if they have any opinion from the MSM it’s that the Palestinians are attacking Israelis all the time.

  17. JohnAdamTurnbull
    July 10, 2011, 6:20 am

    We’ve just left the Tahrir in the port of Agios Nikolaos. After fighting the Greek port authorities and Coast Guard for more than a week, the committee decided to keep the boat and regroup for the next voyage — which may be in only a couple of months. If you are interested in the “color coverage” of the game, take a look at johnadamturnbull.com/Yeah .

    My thanks to everyone who runs this site, reads it and comments on it. It’s been a great help to me in sorting out why my wife and I became involved in the cause and, when this battle is won, why we will find another injustices to fight.

    As we said our good-byes, half a dozen of the crew were booking their tickets to Ben Gurion, two had flown to Cairo, and others were preparing the boat and working group for the next round. Karen and I have begun to plan our entry in Gaza by some other means.

    I am continually amazed that people who have encountered, first-hand, the power and violence of a rogue state respond by growing in number and resolve. Telling a bully to back off is good for your soul. I recommend it.

  18. patm
    July 10, 2011, 7:54 am

    Phil Weiss: “…we need reader support to institutionalize our website….”

    I’ve been puzzling over this phrase, Phil. What do you mean by the word “institutionalize”?

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