I keep saying that the Israel lobby is a central factor in the making of our foreign policy, and some day journalists are going to have to cover the story-- and the Liam Fox scandal in Britain ups the ante.
Liam Fox was once a rising star in British politics. But the British defense secretary resigned a week back because of his close financial ties to a business lobbyist named Adam Werritty who came and went with Fox on foreign trips and at the ministry, as though he were a government official.
The scandal has had Israel lobby implications from the start. Werritty and Fox met with the Mossad in Israel. Werritty was involved with a shop called Atlantic Bridge that was started to promote the special relationship between England the U.S., but that pretty clearly was also pushing the special relationship to Israel. For instance, this Atlantic Bridge filing lists Amanda Bowman as CEO. Bowman writes for Pajamas Media, a fount of neoconservatism. Here she says that Islamists are like Nazis.
Well today, the Guardian has a story about the funding nexus at the heart of the scandal. It seems that the Conservative Party's leading fundraiser, Howard Leigh, sent big pro-Israel donors to Liam Fox, and that these donors' money helped to sustain Werrity's globetrotting lifestyle. Here are the key paragraphs:
The Tory spokesman declined to say which donors had been introduced to Fox by Leigh, and did not expand on whether they knew of how their money had been spent by Werritty. Backers of Pargav [the company that paid for Werrity] include Mick Davis, a South African-born mining magnate known for his pro-Israel views; Tamares real estate, an investment company owned by Poju Zabludowicz, the chief funder of Israeli pressure group Bicom; and Michael Lewis, a former vice-president of Bicom, who donated £13,832 to Atlantic Bridge and £5,000 to Fox.
Davis, Zabludowicz and Lewis would not comment on Wednesday on how their donations had been solicited or what they believed the money was to be used for. However, Lewis has stated he had no knowledge of how his donations to Fox's leadership campaign were used.
...Another source said there had been no co-ordination between the Jewish donors to fund Werritty, though some had initially felt well-disposed to help Fox because of his pro-Israel position. Both Davis and Leigh serve on the Jewish Leadership Council, a body with representatives from community and religious groups. Davis has been chairman of the council's executive committee since 2009.
The same funding nexus exists in the U.S. because of a simple sociological fact: the incredible Jewish success story in the last generation.
Pro-Israel donors lifted our last three presidents, Clinton, Bush and Obama. The back-room fight for these donors between Obama and Romney is the main reason for all the news stories saying that Obama is bad on Israel, or good on Israel. Access to these donors is a major factor in the political careers of Rahm Emanuel, Chuck Schumer, Robert Wexler, and Debbie Wasserman Schultz-- let alone the neoconservatives. And the cultivation of these donors, of people like Lester Crown, is why Obama has Dennis Ross doing Middle East policy despite his record of 20 years of failure and why he had Marty Peretz-protege Stuart Levey filling the Iran shakedown job at Treasury-- even after Levey performed the same job under Bush. You have to keep the lobby happy. It is a central feature of our political landscape. And it's not a news story...
“I keep saying that the Israel lobby is a central factor in the making of our foreign policy, and some day journalists are going to have to cover the story”
Carter, Bryzinski, Ritter, Hersh, Zinni, General Jones, Micheal Scheuer, Queen Noor, King of Jordan and so many others have been saying the same thing for a long time. Not holding my breath for when MSM journalist will really dig in. Thank goodness for the internet
It is spelled Werritty. Richard Silverstein wrote wrong yesterday.
I’d like to see more info on BICOM
bicom is the UK version of aipac. i posted a leaked email from their ceo recently that perfectly describes their relationship to the UK msm.
phil, my understanding is that Werritty was the sole employee of atlantic bridge.
Phil on MSNBC’s Martin Bashirs the other day he did “Martin Bashir Discovers Anti-Semitism at Occupy Wall Street Protests ”
He showed the clips of the Committee to close down the I/P discussion/debate.
He did end the segment saying that he had been down to the OWS protest and had not seen any of these signs or activity
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The next few days it will be all Gaddafi has been killed . Over at Huffington Post they have some gruesome pictures up that I quickly rolled over. Amazing to think that our MSM will not post Iraqi dead, or US soldiers dead or injured but will post and gloat over pictures of a dictator that nations including the US supported for decades. Sure not to be any discussions of that anywhere in our MSM. Of course they wanted him dead, if he were captured alive and made to testify he could have pointed right at all of the nations who supported his dictatorship. Going to be days of this Gaddafi is dead celebration. Those who supported him for decades can breathe a sigh of relief that he is unable to testify about their complicity
The oil vultures are swarming around Libya
Kathleen, when did we ever support Gaddafi? Relations were a little better with Bush Jr. but he has always been an enemy. He was killed by Libyan rebels also btw.
Libya shlibya DBG – why aren’t you commenting on the zionist pediaphobia blog?
We really need you there.
I promise if you say a good word or two for zionism there, I’ll make sure NO ONE calls you yoni/yonira.
Taxi, uhhhh did you see her comment was about Libya?
you can call me whatever you want Taxi, it ain’t no thang.
Uhuh I can read quite well DBG. Just thought you might share some of your memorable Shakespearean defense of zionism on the blog that deals with zionist pediaphobia. You’re missing a really memorable FREAKSHOW!
And also, you got any Einsteinian theories on why so many posters are calling you by that shmucky name yoni/yonira? I’m surprised you’re not offended at their smearing allegations.
But then again you wouldn’t be offended by THAT now would you :-)
I am kind of offended by that yes, but the constant jew baiting and bigotry on MW offends me more.
No, you love it. Sharpens the eternal chip on the shoulder.
You mean like the fact that you represent the entirety of prisoners held by Israel — children included — by constantly bleating the names of exactly two terrorists? Or your endorsing racial profiling at airports? That sort of racism? Yeah, I wish they’d ban there here, DBG.
DBG if you’re offended by being called yoni/yonira then why not LODGE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT with the mods. They’re very understanding and thorough with their investigations you know :-)
I encourage you to seek justice against personal smear campaigns on MW. If you do nothing about this grave transgression (being accused of being a racist, sexist, banned poster), then it just looks like your ‘accusers’ might be RIGHT. And we don’t want that, you and I, now do we?
If you’re too coy or too busy to do it, would you mind if I do it on your behalf? I think I can get to the bottom of this with your kind permission. And when this unpleasant allegation is behind us and your stellar reputation is restored, maybe you and I can bond at your local Native American Sweat Lodge. How ’bout it then?
Looking forward to your response, here on this post, or on another.
Taxi, I could honestly careless. Native American sweat lodge? WTH are you talking about? are you just an outright racist?
constantly bleating? Chaos, I brought their names up once. Where did I endorse racial profiling? you are a just an outright liar…. about this and other things.
DBG,
Do tell us why a friendly invite to a “Native American sweat lodge” is considered “racist” in your bible? I’m fascinated to hear your answer.
And I think you DO CARE actually – and very much so. Proof? That you so obtrusively objected to the “Native American sweat lodge” reference is most telling uhuh.
I await your explanation on why you think it makes me a “racist” to refer to it. I await to be educated on racism from a professional racist charlatan no less – oh lucky me.
“Native American sweat lodge”. Why on earth would that rile you up so that you would thrust out the “racist” dagger at me in under two lines? (You missed by the way cuz I was standing lightly closely right behind ya heh heh). What was going through your mind pray tell when you read “Native American sweat lodge”?
Maybe the MW crew who’ve been calling you yoni/yorina might want to propose a theory or two themselves about your unfriendly and weirdly defensive reaction.
And like, after your hate-of-Taxi fit has died some, why don’t you recompose and EXPLAIN YOURSELF!!!!!
You’re kinda suddenly reminding me of Qaddafi with nowhere to hide except a short and stubby drainage pipe.
“maybe you and I can bond at your local Native American Sweat Lodge.”
DBG, you really ought to keep away from stuff which easily identifies you as the former “yonira”. BTW, you get married yet? Or are you still breaking every Jewish moral law by fornicating before marriage?
I may not be a Zionist, but I have never stooped to that depth.
Taxi, you bring up Native American sweat lodges out of the blue for no reason. What am I supposed to think? are you native or something? If so I apologize, if not, why did you bring it up?
I don’t hate you Taxi, I just think you are a war-monger.
DBG, on another thread that disappeared into limbo after you wrote your snide remark about the drone attacks in Somalia being bogus because they were only reported on Iran’s Press-TV, just so you don’t start thinking you spooked anyone, you’ll be happy to know that 3 months ago, the Washington Post and the NYT wrote about the same thing happening in Somalia:
By Greg Jaffe and Karen DeYoung, Published: June 30
A U.S. drone aircraft fired on two leaders of a militant Somali organization tied to al-Qaeda, apparently wounding them, a senior U.S. military official familiar with the operation said Wednesday.
The strike last week against senior members of al-Shabab comes amid growing concern within the U.S. government that some leaders of the Islamist group are collaborating more closely with al-Qaeda to strike targets beyond Somalia, the military official said.
Obama counterterrorism strategy unveiled
Obama dismisses congressional criticism of Libya action as ‘politics’
U.S. drones target two leaders of Somali group allied with al-Qaeda
The airstrike makes Somalia at least the sixth country where the United States is using drone aircraft to conduct lethal attacks, joining Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Iraq and Yemen. And it comes as the CIA is expected to begin flying armed drones over Yemen in its hunt for al-Qaeda operatives.
link to washingtonpost.com
and in the NYT:
U.S. Expands Its Drone War Into Somalia
By MARK MAZZETTI and ERIC SCHMITT
Published: July 1, 2011
WASHINGTON — The clandestine American military campaign to combat Al Qaeda’s franchise in Yemen is expanding to fight the Islamist militancy in Somalia, as new evidence indicates that insurgents in the two countries are forging closer ties and possibly plotting attacks against the United States, American officials say.
An American military drone aircraft attacked several Somalis in the militant group the Shabab late last month, the officials said, killing at least one of its midlevel operatives and wounding others.
link to nytimes.com
oh my how baffling. yoni, is referencing a swedish sauna racist too? or swede baiting?
You’re kinda suddenly reminding me of Qaddafi with nowhere to hide except a short and stubby drainage pipe.
lol, omg priceless!
i love your LODGE AN OFFICIAL COMPLAINT with the mods. suggestion. let’s clear it up once and for all!
;)
BDG,
Looks like the only ‘sweating’ you’ll be doing is right here on MW.
“are you native or something?” LOL uhuh feign stupidity why don’t you – I sure don’t mind you doing this to yourself before the eyes of the world.
“If so I apologize”. No you don’t, you’re just handing me another pacifier I’m too old for.
“why did you bring it up?” – yeah I wonder why? Maybe you can ‘theorize’ – well go on theorize. I’d be again so fascinated to hear ALL about it.
“I just think you are a war-monger”. You bet I’m gonna war against ALL ETHNIC CLEANSERS OF THE WORLD AND THEIR SUPPORTERS WHATEVER RELIGION THEY ARE! And that dagger of ‘warmonger’ missed again – I wasn’t even on the same planet as you when you so PREDICTABLY threw it deary.
And just because the old-timer Mooser has the memory of an elephant – it sure don’t mean that you’re off the hook (husk?). You STILL haven’t explained why me mentioning “Native American sweat lodge” equates being a “racist”. Well? What’s the connection in your vast and complex single brain cell? Where’s the connection between mentioning “Native American sweat lodge” and being racist huh?
S’plain yourself either as DBG or as yoni/yonira. I don’t mind either – both sound and stylistically write exactly the same. But EXPLAIN YOURSELF MAN – go on!
annie you’d better believe this yoni/yonira business if gravely serious and needs clearing up “once and for all”!
It doesn’t really matter if yonira, Schwartzman and DBG are the same people. All these right-wing pro-Israel zealots all talk the same.
“I am kind of offended by that yes, but the constant jew baiting and bigotry on MW offends me more.”
And someday he’s going to break open his piggy bank and buy a computer which gets more the one website! And then he will never look at this “jew baiting” (sic) website no more!
But til then, I guess he’s stuck here. It hasn’t got an “off” button neither.
DBG, why aren’t you commenting on Israel cutting off access to 85% of Gazan fishing waters?
I think someone of your moral stature, preaching the gospel of forgiveness and mutual understanding in your important and meaningful interfaith dialogues, should tell us what you think!
if true Cliff, it is horrible. I really can’t believe how you can mock mutual understanding, have you talked to a Jew?
How do you identify a Jew? Will they come up to me and tell me they are Jewish?
I don’t need to have an interfaith dialogue because I am an atheist.
I also do not judge people by whether or not they are this or that religion.
I judge people by their actions.
And the fact that all you can say is “if true Cliff, it is horrible” in reference to the Gazan waters story (the source is the UN I believe) – then I was right about you.
You simply pay lip service to these ONGOING, COUNTLESS crimes. These things happen every day. They are a product of the occupation and logic to Zionism. Why is Israel in the territories?
Why is Israel taking the majority of the water away from the Palestinians in the W. Bank? Not even just the Palestinians.
ETC ETC ETC
And all you do is mention it briefly, then you’ll go back to your usual idiotic routine.
This is why eee almost always only dialogues with annie. She is nice and has the patience and ‘enough’/minimal respect for him (not much in and of itself I assume) to hear his stupid, ignorant remarks.
Hostage too, because he’s a nice guy and takes everyone seriously enough to write out fully cited arguments.
Me? I have no patience for people like you. Why do I need to know anything about your religiousness to judge you when I can observe your posting habits and the kinds of fights you pick as well as those you DON’T pick?
There are plenty of ways to get a sense of who someone is.
“if true Cliff, it is horrible. I really can’t believe how you can mock mutual understanding, have you talked to a Jew?”
DBG, you’ve really hit on something there. Why don’t we start an international Take-a-Zionist-to-Lunch-Day so that people can understand this little known and obscure people? Think of the alternative, DBG: if we don’t get people when their stuffed and tipsy, and give ‘em a good schmooze they might start judging us by our actions, instead of our explanations. That will never do!
The ones dbg DON’T pick are more telling and so goddam loaded.
Careful: exposing them to the truth may cause a severe case of cognitive dissonance, which may lead to self-destruction, or as it is diagnosed in Israel, self-hatred.
When McCain travlled to Lybia to sell weapons to him.
Yeah, yeah. Blame it on AIPAC, the poor dears.
You know, the Bankers got Congress to repeal the 1937 Glass-Steagall law regulating banks and then, WHAMMO!, the bad-loans and foreclosure fandango, bail-outs out the wazoo, Europe and USA down the tubes, etc. YOU’D THINK, dear ones, that Congress would immediately reinstate Glass-Steagall, what with all the publicity and all the suffering, etc., but you’d be wrong.
Yes, wrong! Imagine! Because there is a disconnect between what the public knows (or what the public wants) and what Congress does. So who cares if “Carter, Bryzinski, Ritter, Hersh, Zinni, General Jones, Micheal Scheuer, Queen Noor, King of Jordan and so many others have been saying the same thing for a long time.”
It doesn’t do any good. Congress has not, for decades, had it in mind to protect the USA, to do the right thing, to represent their constituents (rather than the big-money folks). I mean, what do you think, government is like a 1950s “civics” class? “Democracy”, I mean, come-onnnnnn.
Maybe if Carter, Brzezinski, Ritter, et al., would BURN THEMSELVES IN WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK AT NOON, well, maybe (maybe!) NYT would report it and there’d be a response, but not unless.
There is a general problem. OWS knows it. We I/P folks know it. The problem is getting Congress to wake up and represent the PEOPLE instead of bellying-up to the trough of big-money.
Easy problem to describe. Hard to do anything about. Mr. Smith goes to Washington and learns to be corrupt. So simple. How’s he gonna unlearn it? Join the Congress’s “not-corrupt caucus” and bring its membership up to, what?, 10?
Actually, it all comes together with ALEC, the American Legislative
Executive Council which started the Atlantic Bridges US (the political, not
the health care Atlantic Bridges) which is the US sister organization to the
Atlantic Bridges UK. While BICOM was a big funder of Atlantic Bridges,
the relationship between AIPAC/ ALEC/Atlantic Bridges is slightly more
subtle with ALEC having many overlapping donors (e.g. Koch Brothers, et.
al.) with AIPAC as well as overlapping politicos, such as prominent ALEC
alumni Eric Cantor. Both Atlantic Bridges websites are down. Information
about ALEC, listing governing structures, board members, current state
and federal politician members and alumni can be obtained at the website
ALECexposed which makes for fascinating reading. To take a phrase from
Matt Taibbi, is ALEC and its network of relationships the US’ own political
vampire squid?
There is nothing “pro Israel” about supporting continuation of this insane and destructive occupation.
The usual Jew baiting we have grown accustomed to here. Jews are successful and donate. So what? Just that you view this as a problem is grotesque. If you disagree with them, use all the democratic options open to you but trying to make Jewish donations a problem or an issue is just low. If anything is a problem it is the fact that other people don’t bother to donate.
oh please, the UK defense minister constant sidekick who prances around the world passing out cards claiming he is adviser to the 2nd most influential man in the country who has no official relationship to the government is funded by several sources all of them in the top escelon of the neocon cult, caught wheeling and dealing in weapon sales to iran…well, that is a story. but, what’s even more of a story is when the story gets out within 4 days the defense minister is not so much as pushed but literally appears to jump out of office before the scandal developes. now that’s a story. and the ticking time bomb?
UPDATE: Sources confirm he has gone and it was his connections to private spook outfit G3 that pushed him over the edge.
spook? for who? mossad that’s who. who’s been running the UK defense ministry one might ask. fox or his little sidekick or …..it’s a story, it is not ‘jew baiting’.
Yeah sure, it is the Mossad who has been running the UK defense ministry. You have zero proof for that allegation but you throw it out anyway and then you say it is not Jew baiting.
The story should be covered of course, but using it to highlight Jewish donors? That is full fledged Jew baiting and what Phil is doing here.
eee, i didn’t just make it up and gawke’s blog isn’t the only one saying it. that blog btw is a very popular UK political blog and not particularly inclined towards crazy conspiracy theories. here’s more on this angle:
now, i don’t care how often anyone or any msm peddles the notion the 33 year old Werritty was dupping israel officials or the mossad or whatever, any normal person, certainly ‘the chiefs of the armed forces’ would consider it was the other way around, that the Werritty character was being used by the higher ups. so whether it was the cia or mossad i could care less. but getting an insider into meetings of the defense ministry, one who acts in the role of an adviser, would see to be a valuable asset. one worth funding. so i didn’t just throw this out there as jew baiting, it’s common sense to consider it and believe me people are considering it.
as for the other predictions of this “Cabinet Office source”, they seem to have panned out somewhat.
Yeah sure, it is the Mossad who has been running the UK defense ministry.
and another thing, isn’t that what orgs like the cia and mossad try to do? influence foreign governments? isn’t that their aim? faking being an adviser to the minister and traveling all around with him is pretty close contact and the minister did resign FAST i might add. so if it was such a no big deal why do you think he high tailed it out of there so fast?
So because it was discussed, this allegation is true? And since it was either the CIA or the Mossad that were discussed why did you jump to accuse just the Mossad? We know why.
So just because the Mossad or CIA could do something you can jump to the conclusion that it did something? What about the agencies of the other 160 countries in the world? Maybe it was the Canadians or Germans or Chinese or Russians? But no. You immediately accuse who? The Mossad. Go shove it.
And since it was either the CIA or the Mossad that were discussed why did you jump to accuse just the Mossad?
because when it comes to the US/IS juggernaut it is america who supports israel not the other way around. plus, the people funding the guy are all pro israelites plus one of the first articles i read about this included uber billionaire arms dealer Poju Zabludowicz, key bicom figure making the claim too outrageous to be believed. that he was dupped..
He was just passionate about promoting dialogue to promote the Middle East peace process which was why he donated to Mr Werritty.
i guess i just don’t see a wide gap between bicom aipac or mossad. and i didn’t immediately accuse. i read about the case for a few hrs the other day and it seemed the most likely situation.
What about the agencies of the other 160 countries in the world?
follow the money dude. this has nothing to do paraguay. seriously eee what a silly thing to say. it’s just my opinion and i’m entitled to it.
“Go shove it.”
annie,
Looks like you hit it pretty close to the mark. LOL.
You have zero proof for that allegation but you throw it out anyway and then you say it is not Jew baiting.
poor little israel, it says it represents the jewish people and then anytime people criticize it they are jew baiting. what a pathetic crutch that is, completely dependent on people being afraid to be accused of that oh so elitist form of racism it apparently deserves it’s own name. well i am not afraid of you eee and i know perfectly well israel doesn’t represent jewish people anymore than the cia represents me. you’re a joke.
If I didn’t know better, I would say ee is is encouraging antisemitism with all this lurid talk of ‘jew baiting’. We are talking about the pernicious, underhand, antidemocratic attempt to influence the foreign policy of other governments in favour of Israel. In the Cold War, it was called espionage and subversion, now ee tells us there is nothing to see, and any attempt to expose it is a crime against his religion. I don’t know how he survives, being offended by the exposure of the subversion of foreign goverments. It must be exhausting for the poor boy. No wonder he is getting hysterical. And could he point us to the sacred scriptures which give their blessing to espionage, spying, subversion and illegal crimes on foreign soil? Strange religion which involves itself in the detail of foreign policy.
G3
Good
Governance
Group
Hah!
“We also seek ways to shape evolving debate on law and policy.”
What better way than to pay young Werrity to be at his masters side all around the world, and debrief him on return?
Doesn’t seem particularly “good” to me, but I’m sure they’ve been getting the goods!
it’s not jew-baiting when these israel-firsters put the nation they’re citizens of in jeapardy. happens in great britain as in the good ol u.s. of a. and whether jewish, christian, athiest, whatever, these perpetrators are traitors.
Wrong. Zionist Jews are donating.
Next, people are not happy with the way these political systems operate and shedding light on the situation is part of the process of changing it.
Just because someone has money does NOT mean they should be able to influence political realities. That itself is a political reality that has no moral grounding.
What do the Zionist Jews hijacking democracy with money have to do with anti-Zionist Jews or post-Zionist Jews? Or Jews who are apolitical?
It’s only a Zionist nitwit like you (I won’t call you a Jew, because your primary identifier is ‘fascist’) who USES JEWISHNESS as a human shield.
You are a coward, hiding behind identity-politics and emotional-blackmail to warp the reality on the ground.
hopefully some day Cliff, you’ll understand how bigoted you sound right now.
hopefully some day DBG, you’ll understand how utterly cynical and dishonest you sound right now.
“hopefully some day Cliff, you’ll understand how bigoted you sound right now.”
OMFG! ROTFLMSJAO! Zionist moral condescending! That’s a hot one!
“It’s only a Zionist nitwit like you (I won’t call you a Jew, because your primary identifier is ‘fascist’) who USES JEWISHNESS as a human shield.
You are a coward, hiding behind identity-politics and emotional-blackmail to warp the reality on the ground.”
Now look what you’ve done, Cliff! “eee” will show that around, and he’ll probably get a promotion or a raise. You know, it reads almost like a job description for a Hasbaratchnik.
“The usual Jew baiting we have grown accustomed to here.”
I’m a little confused about that term, “eee”. When you bait a Jew, what, exactly, is it you are going to catch? Is the “Jew baiting” phrase an attempt at a humorous play on ‘hooked’ noses?
You used the phrase, damnit, you ought to explain what it means!
eee: The usual Jew baiting
No, they did it themselves.
It worked for Al Capone, so what’s the big deal right?
“The usual Jew baiting we have grown accustomed to here.”
If only there was another website on the Internet, you could go there and get away from all these anti-Semites. But no, you’re stuck here. Sorta strange isn’t it? That whole Internet, and only one website.
Do the trolls do it because they are part of organization that have determined that they should fight on mondoweiss or do they come on their own device. (Witty, I guess is here on his own device but the others?)
Meanwhile in the Netherlands we have the most pro-Israeli government in our history (a history of extremely pro-Israeli governments), with a Jewish foreign minister married to an Israeli woman. But he is a moderate compared to the zionist fanatics in Geert Wilders’ PVV. The PVV election program mentioned Israel more than the Netherlands itself…
I guess the Dutch won’t be voting in favour of Palestinian statehood.
Not only that, they were instrumental in blocking a united European position on it.
Reading between the lines of this Daily Telegraph report from two days ago (Oct. 19), I would hazard the guess that Werritty has been meeting with people in the MEK, and very likely with Mossad people in the room at the same time:
yep, in fact maybe they were planning on hooking up the MEK w/some character from the mexican mafia.
;)
just kidding! but i agree w/you lysias I would hazard the guess that Werritty has been meeting with people in the MEK, and very likely with Mossad people in the room at the same time
even if they were not in the room at the same time there was probably some coordination in place wrt their agendas.
So the Iranian plot is impossible to believe, but you can basically blame Mossad for every security related issue the world has ever seen. that is effed up.
and to answer your insinuation, no find it unlikely even the MEK is stupid enough to engage in that ‘plot’.
nice diversion. par for the course.
dbg, i realize my first response to you landed at the bottom of the thread. i did not divert, i just put it in the wrong place. scroll down to my 1:19 pm. post.
yeah I saw it, sorry about that.
Apologies are meaningless when they are uttered from insincere liars.
you can basically blame Mossad for every security related issue the world has ever seen.
i could, but i didn’t. and anything having to do w/iranian opposition groups is fair game wrt accusations mossad is involved, or haven’t you heard israel wants iran neutered? what do you think mossad is up to these days anyway, playing soccer? and no i do not think they are capable of messing with all the global security threats, i think they have proved to be bumbling trouble makers incapable of ‘every security related issue the world has ever seen’ but that doesn’t stop you from another ridiculous bloviating hasbara pushback against an extremely logical conclusion..now does it?
maybe you should concentrate on making a few quality comments instead of inserting your silly redundant sarcasm into every possible exchange over and over day in and day out. did you ever consider that? or are you happy simply distracting and diverting?
Even after the U.S. government sent representatives to Turkey to present evidence of the scary Iranian plot, the Turkish government doesn’t believe in it. Turkey casts doubt on alleged Iran plot.