A boycott of their own? Settlers compiling list of businesses that employ ‘Arabs’

Haaretz reports that settlers from Yitzhar have been canvassing Israeli businesses in Jerusalem to determine which ones employ Arab-Israelis, so that the names of these companies can be put into a public directory.

The project, which Haaretz says is called “Hebrew Labor,” is being spearheaded by the grandson of far-right rabbi Meir Kahane, whose political movement, Kach, has been banned in Israel (the “Jewish Defense Leagues” are spiritual Kahanist successors).

The Israeli police arrested Kahane’s grandson on the suspicion that he was conducting surveillance for terrorist attacks, and he has since been released. He and his cohorts – Haaretz estimates less than two dozen people are involved with “Hebrew Labor,” almost all of them young men from Yitzhar – have actually been in Jerusalem for a while under a sort of restraining order: they received legal papers ordering them to remain in the city pending a decision by the government to allow them to return to Yitzhar and its environs because they are suspected of plotting price taggings.

Presumably, this action is partly an admission of weakness by the police that they cannot expect to successfully enforce Israeli law in the settlement. Yitzhar, situated between Nablus and Ariel, is a hotspot of price tagging activity (it’s yeshiva was forced to close over student and faculty involvement in price taggings) and violent clashes with Palestinian residents nearby – residents of Yitzhar and nearby Palestinian towns have reportedly engaged in acts of assault and arson against each other’s communities. These actions have only escalated since the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza in 2005, seen as an act of appeasement among rightists, and have increasingly come to target Israelis whose perceived lack of commitment to the settlements (the IDF) or outright opposition to them (Peace Now) is seen as a threat.

The Yitzhar settlers’ actions were praised by The Prevention of Assimilation in the Holy Land group, which has gained notoriety for opposing racial mixing between Israeli women and Arab men and urging landlords to not rent properties to Israeli-Arabs.

The Haaretz story implies that Hewbrew Labor will be encouraging Israelis to boycott stores with Israeli-Arab employees. The “irony” of all this, of course, is that this past summer, Likud members argued that boycotts are inherently undemocratic in order to justify the passage of the “anti-BDS” law:

“It’s a principle of democracy that you don’t shun a public you disagree with by harming their livelihood. A boycott on a certain sector is not the proper manifestation of freedom of expression. It is an aggressive move meant to force a sector that thinks a different way to capitulate. Boycotts are aggressive and wrong.”

About Paul Mutter

Paul Mutter is a contributor to Mondoweiss, Foreign Policy in Focus and the Arabist.
Posted in Activism, BDS, Israel/Palestine, Israeli Government, Occupation, Settlers/Colonists

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  1. seafoid says:

    The Haaretz story implies that Hebrew Labor will be encouraging Israelis to boycott stores with Israeli-Arab employees

    Why not go the whole hog and make the goys wear yellow crescents ?

  2. Avi_G. says:

    Paul Mutter,

    This isn’t something new per se. Part of the reason that Israel imported foreign workers from the Philippines and south east Asia in the 1990s was its desire to rid itself of Palestinian workers, from both sides of the Green Line.

    What few Palestinians worked in the so-called Jewish Sector, they were usually hired to do menial, physically demanding jobs. And so they would get hired as janitors, cleaners, maids, construction workers, dish washers etc..

    From that reality was born the slur, “Arab work,” or as it is known in Hebrew as “Avoda Aravit,” meaning dirty work and sloppy unprofessional work.

    So as you can appreciate, whether or not someone establishes a list and calls it Hebrew Labor, the reality is that the non-Jewish citizens of the state have long been excluded and discriminated against for decades. And this de facto practice has been put in place and enforced by both Jewish Israeli society and the Israeli government.

    Kahane’s grandson has merely sought to ‘tabulate’ it all.

  3. It looks like the “Ubermenschen” want to deprive the “Untermenschen” their menial, paid-almost-nothing jobs, so “the Untermenschen “will have no means to survive.
    “The Ubermenschen” want also scare/force all the other “Ubermenschen” into a full obedience to “their” rules.
    If you are not with us ,you must be against us.

  4. pabelmont says:

    “Presumably, this action is partly an admission of weakness by the police that they cannot expect to successfully enforce Israeli law in the settlement. Yitzhar, situated between Nablus and Ariel, is a hotspot of price tagging activity ”

    How much it would CLARIFY things and perhaps also simplify things it the government of the USA (and the GoI as well) would declare that the settlements and the settlers are all present in occupied territories (including occupied parts of Jerusalem) ILLEGALLY and the settlers must be removed.

    Be a help if other countries (especially former colonial countries) would merely say this out loud, and repeatedly. to get their own populations used to the idea and talking about it. “Hey, Rube, the rule of law! Wow!”

  5. Potsherd2 says:

    Imagine someone publishing a list of businesses that employ Jews. We’re told it’s antisemitic even to count Jews in public life. But for Israel, it’s OK to make such a list to drive the untermenschen out of their jobs and set them up for harassment.

    What does Abe Fox have to say?

    • eee says:

      It is not Israel that is making these lists, it is a fringe extremist group.

      But the fact is, that by supporting BDS of Israel, you are giving them ammunition. When you say that BDS is a non-violent way to fight Israel and is legitimate, they can say that BDS is a non-violent way to fight the Palestinians and is legitimate.

      In South Africa, the whites needed the blacks to be part of the economy. Apartheid crumbled years before it officially did because blacks were allowed to migrate into towns, form unions and become skilled. It was essential for the South African economy. This is not the case in Israel. The Arab Israelis are not essential to the Israeli economy so their BDS position is very weak.

      • No, eee.

        “When you say that BDS is a non-violent way to fight Israel and is legitimate, they can say that BDS is a non-violent way to fight the Palestinians and is legitimate.”

        Boycott as a tactic is legitimate. That doesn’t mean the motivation for boycott is automatically legitimate. Boycotting someone because of their race is wrong, you honestly don’t understand that?

        Racism, in any context, is not legitimate. Anti-miscegenation, forced separation, apartheid…these things are not, and will never be, legitimate. How do you sleep at night?

        • eee says:

          The Palestinians will not be boycotted because of their race. They will be boycotted because they support boycott of Israelis. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. There is no racism involved, pure economic interests.

        • Whizdom says:

          The Palestinian Trade Union Federation does not support a boycott of Israeli goods or services. Some member Unions support a boycott of Settler products

          link to pgftu.org

        • eee says:

          “The Palestinian Trade Union Federation does not support a boycott of Israeli goods or services. Some member Unions support a boycott of Settler products”

          That is a wise decision on their part.

        • tree says:

          The Palestinians will not be boycotted because of their race. They will be boycotted because they support boycott of Israelis.

          Nice try, but the boycott that is being called for is of the Israeli Arab citizens of Israel. They are not the ones calling for BDS. That is a call from Palestinian society under occupation in the West Bank and Gaza. An equivalent “boycott” would be for Americans to boycott stores that employ American Jews, and that would certainly be racist in the broader sense of the word.

        • eee says:

          “Nice try, but the boycott that is being called for is of the Israeli Arab citizens of Israel. They are not the ones calling for BDS. ”

          Quite a few Arab Israeli leaders and Knesset members are calling for BDS. So what you are saying is just not true.

        • Of course they’re not being boycotted for their race! They’re being boycotted for their religion and language, which is much better.

        • tree says:

          Quite a few Arab Israeli leaders and Knesset members are calling for BDS. So what you are saying is just not true.

          So your point is that its OK to prohibit the employment of any person who shares the ethnicity of anyone else calling for BDS? Since some Jews are calling for BDS, I sure you must support a boycott of businesses who employ Jews, right? Otherwise your argument would be bullshit…oh wait, it is.

        • eee says:

          “Of course they’re not being boycotted for their race! They’re being boycotted for their religion and language, which is much better.”

          The fact is they are NOT being boycotted. But the fact also is that if BDS will be even be slightly successful, this will lead to their boycott just as night follows day. You cannot expect to harm a group economically without there being a reaction. It will just push Israelis more to the right and harm Palestinians.

        • eee says:

          “So your point is that its OK to prohibit the employment of any person who shares the ethnicity of anyone else calling for BDS?”

          No, my point is that the Arab leaders in Israel represent large swaths of the Arab public and therefore one can assume that the people they represent support BDS also.

          And what is your point regarding BDS of Israel? Is it ok to BDS people who support the two state solution just because you think their leaders are not honest?

        • Potsherd2 says:

          OK, eee, let’s say the Arab Knesset members all come out against BDS. Do you think for an instant that this would put a stop to this racist campaign? It’s not about BDS, it’s about the racism permeating Israel.

        • eee says:

          “let’s say the Arab Knesset members all come out against BDS”

          I hope they do so. As for the “racist campaign” you allude to, there is no campaign whatsoever. There is a report about lists being made by a fringe group. How you jump from this to a campaign, I don’t know.

      • Potsherd2 says:

        People in the US have perfect freedom to criticize BDS, and so many of them do. My question is whether they will criticize this racist move, or whether they approve and support it, whether they will suppress news of it or offer lame excuses to justify it, or whether they will condemn it.

        WHAT DOES ABE FOXMAN SAY?

      • for sooth, I think BDS is lame.

        How about this: If it’s good enough for Iran, it’s good enough for Israel.

        Full bore sanctions on EVERYTHING Israel does.
        -Shut down Israeli banks (heh, how many American Jews would have to put their money in American banks??)
        -Close down Israel’s ability to develop gas field in the Mediterranean.
        -Close down Israeli pharma. Anyone who buys from/sells to Israel-based pharma may NOT buy/sell pharma in the US.
        -De-list ALL Israeli companies from US based stock exchanges
        -Close down Israeli computer technology firms. Same basis as pharma, above: you do business with a business that does business that operates in Israel, you may NOT trade in that same business in the US. That will shut down Intel in Israel? so sad too bad. Move the jobs to the USA.
        -Those jobs in Georgia’s aeronautics corridor that are going to Israeli visa holders? Sorry, no can do. Out you go; don’t let the TSA scanner hit you in the arse.

        To paraphrase Crocodile Dundee, BDS? THAT’s not a knife. The above — That’s a knife.

        • Kris says:

          Full bore sanctions on EVERYTHING Israel does is a terrific idea.

        • eee says:

          teta mother me,

          Do you worst. Why just the talk? Implement what you are proposing instead of making a fool of yourself.

        • pabelmont says:

          Teta — that’s a knife! I’ve been preaching Nation-government-based BDS against Israel for years now, such BDS to last until Israel removes all settlers, dismantles all settlements and the wall, and lifts the siege of Gaza.

          The part about returnees (from 1948) is trickier. I expect the war of 1948 is still on-going due to the refusal of Lebanon and Syria to meet Israeli demands (for water, etc.). Better to demand a performance where compliance can be accurately measured.

          LOVE YOUR LIST! However, seems a little-bit USA oriented, and USA ain’t agonna do it.
          – remove embassies
          – stop all commercial airflights
          – prohibit funds transfers (directly or indirectly) to Israel from COUNTRY “X”
          – end sports and entertainment co-operation
          – maybe end all business
          – DO IT NOISILY!!

    • patm says:

      “What does Abe Fox have to say?”

      Here you go, Potsherd, 3e is channeling Abe Fox.

  6. eee says:

    Where is the irony you imply? This group is not supported at all by the Likud party which remains strongly against BDS. But the writing is on the wall and I have been saying it for many months now, if BDS against Israel even begins to have any effect, the Palestinians will suffer the most. If BDS is an ok non-violent tool to fight for a cause, then you can’t complain when the other side uses it also.

    Just like violence, BDS is a horrible choice for Palestinians. In order to succeed, it will need to tear the Jewish and Arab communities even more apart. It will make the little trust there is vanish and will hit Palestinians the hardest.

    • “If BDS is an ok non-violent tool to fight for a cause, then you can’t complain when the other side uses it also.”

      If it’s alright to shoot someone in self-defense, then you can’t complain when someone shoots you for sport.

      • eee says:

        Shooting is violent. BDS is not violent, that is what YOU claim. So your analogy does not work.

        It is quite simple, YOU are initiating the BDS, therefore a reaction that includes BDS is perfectly justifiable.

      • Everybody has a right to self-defense.
        Even it means shooting an agressor.

        The BDS is a non-violent tool,and should be used for the RIGHT and JUST cause.
        Fighting with an apartheid Israel is the RIGHT and JUST cause to apply BDS technique.
        Using BDS by an apartheid Israeli is NOT the RIGHT and JUST cause.
        It is another form of oppression directed by oppressors on helpless victim.
        There is a huge difference if an innocent person protects himself against brutal, violent attack and an agressive attack on that innocent person.
        Let’s not give an equal sign== between actions of oppressor and its victim, who defends himself.

        • eee says:

          dumvitaestspesest,

          For the average Israeli, fighting against sanctions that hurt his family, is a RIGHT and JUST cause and BDS of groups that support this harm or perpetuate it is a justified non-violent reaction.

        • For the average Israeli, who supports an apartheid /occupying system ,there is no Right and Just cause, that can justify his actions against powerless victims. The fact the the average Israeli “suffers” from the effects of BDS is part of the goal of this non-violent movement.
          I do not feel too much pity that the occupier/aggressor suffers.
          Call me cruel and insensitive.
          Should I cry more for the young, Nazi soldiers killed in a battle,
          or for the millions of innocent victims of their agression???

        • eee says:

          dumvitaestspesest,

          You see, the average Israeli does not care what you think. Nobody expects you to care for us, in fact exactly the opposite is true. That is why we have the IDF. Israelis will act in what we think is our best interest and we will determine for ourselves what is right and just to do, just as any country and nation on earth do.

        • patm says:

          …just as any country and nation on earth do.

          You really are a jackass, 3e.

        • eee says:

          “…just as any country and nation on earth do.
          You really are a jackass, 3e.”

          Just telling it like it is. What is your version, countries act against their interests?
          If you don’t like reality, move to an alternate universe.

        • Don’t compare Israeli actions to what “any country and nation on earth do”
          There are not too many countries and nations on earth currently, that are so oppresive, rasists, aggressive manipulating, corrupting, nonchalant like Israel. Israel does take a lead among them.
          This probably makes you very proud ,eee.?

        • eee says:

          “This probably makes you very proud ,eee.?”
          How can I not be proud to be Israeli? A country that you claim can so easily manipulates a superpower like the US?

        • patm says:

          “What is your version, countries act against their interests?”

          Yes, sometimes. Israel is certainly acting against its own interests.

        • eee says: “How can I not be proud to be Israeli? A country that you claim can so easily manipulates a superpower like the US?”

          Unfortunately eee, the manipulation of American foreign policy by Israel and its US Lobby that you are so very proud of comes at the expense of equating Judaism and Zionism in the American public mind. This equation is sharply enforced in the US by (bogus) cries of “anti-semitism” from the American Jewish Establishment any time Israel is publicly criticized. The problem with this strategy is that when the public finally wakes up to its manipulation, American Jews may reap a whirlwind of anger and real anti-Semitism.

        • You see eee,
          You’ve never heard of a few thugs terrorising the whole towns???
          How about Sicily?
          The problem is that many ,so called, decent , regular , common people usually do not waste their time plannin’ evil, conniving and manipulating , trying to obtain the power using all possible means.
          People, usually, trust that other people, strangers have decent intentions. That they don’t want to harm/hurt /destroy them.
          People, on average ,are pretty naive and unfortunately, easy to steer and direct in almost any direction. Majority of Americans became very easily put to sleep by the media, comfortable lifestyle ,and no need to worry too much. They did not think that somebody/politicians would lead them astray?
          If you invite some friends to your home, usually you don’t suspect them of planning to rob or kill you??
          Vigilance.
          We’ve lost our skill of being vigilant.
          People ,who live in a jungle, in the wild are vigilant most of the time.
          It is a matter of their survival. We’ve lost it.

        • Mooser says:

          “That is why we have the IDF. “

          ROTFL! “eee”, I have no doubt the IDF could destroy God Hisself!

      • EEE,
        You are wrong on this.

        Boycotting businesses because they employ Arabs is a racist, immoral, probably illegal effort.

        It should not be done. There is no just basis to do so.

        • eee says:

          Richard,

          I agree with you 100%. I am against BDS of Arabs in Israel.

          My whole point was to try to explain to people why BDS of Israelis will back fire.
          From a pragmatic point of view, if BDS against Israel starts to succeed, Israelis will feel justified to BDS those that BDS them or support BDS of them.

        • patm says:

          “My whole point was to try to explain to people why BDS of Israelis will back fire. From a pragmatic point of view, if BDS against Israel starts to succeed, Israelis will feel justified to BDS those that BDS them or support BDS of them.”

          This sounds like wishful thinking to me 3e.

          BDS worked well enough in South Africa; it took 18 years but it did work in the end.

        • pabelmont says:

          Witty, I hope you’re right on this. Israel has (I believe) a law to punish those (Israelis!) who use boycott against Israeli companies (even in occupied territories). Does that law “formally” apply here? (Don’t need to inquire about likelihood of enforcement).

        • tree says:

          eee, you well know that boycotting of Arab labor has occurred since the 1920′s in Zionism. It’s one of the elements of Zionism that makes it an apartheid system. Its not a reaction to BDS, Its an important cornerstone of Istaeli racism that has existed for decades and decades long before BDS was ever an idea.

          I’m expecting you to blame global warming on BDS any day now. Your arguments have reached new depths of silliness, and who thought that could happen?

        • eee says:

          Tree,

          Some elements of in the Jewish community have boycotted Arab labor, but between 1967 and the first intifada, Israel and the West Bank and Gaza were one economic unit and Arab labor was well integrated into the Israeli economy, not boycotted at all. The picture you are trying to paint is completely misleading. Furthermore, Arab Israelis are not boycotted against at all. Jews and Arab Israelis do business in a regular and natural way without any regard to race, beliefs or religion. Of course there are outliers, but the picture you are trying to pain is completely distorted.

        • eee says:

          patm,

          BDS partially worked in South Africa because its economy was dependent on black labor. Israel is not dependent on Palestinian labor.

          But of course, you will only be convinced when you see the actual results. So lets wait 18 years to see if BDS works.

        • patm says:

          Israel is not dependent on Palestinian labor. 3e

          “I can’t prove it, but I’d be amazed if Yitzhar itself wasn’t constructed in large part by Palestinian labor.” newclench

          There seems to be some disagreement on this thread as to how dependent Israel has been and still is on Palestinian labour.

        • James North says:

          My Palestinian friends told me the gigantic settlement/colony of Har Homa was built mainly by Palestinian workers.

        • Avi_G. says:

          James North says:
          November 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm

          My Palestinian friends told me the gigantic settlement/colony of Har Homa was built mainly by Palestinian workers.

          When the only choice is between working as construction workers in the colonies or dying of starvation…

          Israel has taken their lands, shut off their water supplies, prevented them from digging wells or installing water tanks, flooded their fields with raw sewage, burnt their olive groves and crops, imposed heavy restrictions on their freedom of movement, prevented them from attending school or university. What other choice do those Palestinians have other than to accept jobs that can put food on their tables? None.

          It is a tragic irony. But I cannot judge them so long as I am not in their position. Human beings will do whatever it takes to feed their children and loved ones.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          The settlements are built by Arab labor. Not the trailer trash parks, but the big real estate grabs.

        • James North says:

          Avi: I’m not judging them either, nor did my Palestinian friends — just pointing out that the original comment, that Israel no longer relies on Palestinian workers, is not true.

        • Avi_G. says:

          patm says:
          There seems to be some disagreement on this thread as to how dependent Israel has been and still is on Palestinian labour.

          One must bear in mind that the colonies are in the occupied West Bank and have historically been places that Palestinian workers could afford to avoid as places of employment.

          In the last twenty years or so, due to the disastrous consequences of the Oslo Accords, conditions changed for Palestinians in the West Bank.

          At the same time, Israel wanted to rid itself of the reliance on, and the presence of, Palestinians. To do so, it imported foreign workers.

          In addition, Israel built the Apartheid Wall and restricted the movement of Palestinians from one Palestinian locale to the other.

          Together, these — for a lack of a better word — ‘developments’ resulted in the economic strangulation of the occupied West Bank.

          And with that economic strangulation came the unfortunate but inevitable necessity to work as construction workers in the colonies.

        • Avi_G. says:

          James North says:
          November 21, 2011 at 5:08 pm

          Avi: I’m not judging them either, nor did my Palestinian friends — just pointing out that the original comment, that Israel no longer relies on Palestinian workers, is not true.

          James,

          I wasn’t implying that you were judging them. And if I did, I apologize.

          just pointing out that the original comment, that Israel no longer relies on Palestinian workers, is not true.

          The article above discusses the Palestinian citizens of Israel who work in Israel (Inside the Green Line, in Israel proper). That is what I discussed in my original comment up-thread. In that comment, I also brought up the flow of day laborers from the occupied territories into Israel before the 1990s.

          The colonies, as you know, are in the occupied West Bank. As such, they do not constitute part of “Israel” which is why there seems to be some confusion here regarding Israel’s reliance on said labor.

        • eee says:

          North,

          “Avi: I’m not judging them either, nor did my Palestinian friends — just pointing out that the original comment, that Israel no longer relies on Palestinian workers, is not true.”

          Of course it is true. Before the intifadas almost 100% of construction was based on Arab labor, now inside the green line, little is and it is almost all Israeli Arab labor. In the West Bank Arabs are used because they don’t have to be given permits to enter Israel in order to work.

        • James North says:

          3e: If the West Bank is not “Israel,” why do Israeli soldiers and police patrol it, and why do the 550,000 “Israelis” who permanently live there serve in the Israeli military, pay Israeli taxes, and get to vote in Israeli elections?

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Israeli Arab”

          They’re “Palestinians.”

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “If the West Bank is not ‘Israel,’ why do Israeli soldiers and police patrol it, and why do the 550,000 ‘Israelis’ who permanently live there serve in the Israeli military, pay Israeli taxes, and get to vote in Israeli elections?”

          What fun would it be for die Übermenschen if they didn’t have some Untermenschen to prey upon?

        • eee says:

          “3e: If the West Bank is not “Israel,” why do Israeli soldiers and police patrol it, and why do the 550,000 “Israelis” who permanently live there serve in the Israeli military, pay Israeli taxes, and get to vote in Israeli elections?”

          Because after a peace treaty parts of the West Bank will be part of Israel. It is really quite simple.

        • Shmuel says:

          Because after a peace treaty parts of the West Bank will be part of Israel. It is really quite simple.

          It is simple, but you’re not being honest. The reason is because they can and no one is going to stop them. They did it before the “peace” process, following a pattern of settlement designed to prevent territorial compromise, continued during negotiations, and continue in the absence of negotiations. Israeli policies in the WB are related to the “peace” process only in the sense that they are at odds with it.

          Palestinians are constantly told that they must not demand even basic human and civil rights now, because after a treaty (or the End of Days, which ever comes first) all will be resolved. Why do they not simply seize those rights now? Because they can’t.

          As always, it boils down to power. Leave it to the diplomats and professional advocates to make up pseudo-rational excuses.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          Shmuel,

          “The reason is because they can and no one is going to stop them.”

          That’s exactly right. To eee, “might makes right” became a viable moral position in 1948. No doubt his view of might making right in 1939-1945 would no doubt be different. But who knows? Maybe he’s a sociopath but not a hypocrit.

        • eee says:

          Might does not necessarily make right, but when might is accompanied with a just cause like for example establishing a Jewish state, then it can make right. If the Yishuv would have lost the 1947-48 war there would be no Israel. That would be a grave injustice. We were lucky that the Yishuv had enough might to create a just solution. It is just that no Palestinian state emerged also? No. But it would have been a greater injustice if no Jewish state emerged as the Palestinians were quite content to be part of a greater Arab entity such as Syria and most of them became part of Arab entities, Egypt and Jordan, after the war.

          I am sure we can all agree that in this world it is not enough to believe that your position is just, you need economic and military strength to back your position.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          “Your struggle,” eee? Your ends justify your means, huh.

        • eljay says:

          >> Might does not necessarily make right, but when might is accompanied with a just cause like for example establishing a Jewish state, then it can make right.

          What a coincidence that “common sense” eee should use “establishing a Jewish state” as his example for a “just cause”, even though there’s nothing just about either the establishment of a religion-supremacist state or the terrorism and ethnic cleansing that was used to establish it (or, for that matter, the ON-GOING campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder used to maintain and expand it).

          >> If the Yishuv would have lost the 1947-48 war there would be no Israel.

          But there would still be Jews.

          eee remains blissfully hateful and immoral.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Might does not necessarily make right, but when might is accompanied with a just cause like for example establishing a Jewish state, then it can make right.”

          You merely assume that the creation of a “Jewish state” is a just thing. It is not. On balance, it has been an evil in the world. It required the destruction of an existing polity and has necessitated unceasing human rights violations and oppression for generations.

          “If the Yishuv would have lost the 1947-48 war there would be no Israel. That would be a grave injustice.”

          LOL. No it would not. An injustice occurs when a human being is deprived of his or her human rights, such as when you deprive the Palestinians of their rights, as the Jews occupying Palestine have done for 60 years. There is no injustice in any particular state existing or not. Especially a racist one like the Israeli state.

          “But it would have been a greater injustice if no Jewish state emerged…”

          False. Only your bigotry lets you excuse other people’s suffering like that.

          “…as the Palestinians were quite content to be part of a greater Arab entity such as Syria and most of them became part of Arab entities, Egypt and Jordan, after the war.”

          The Palestinians were more content being part of an Arab state that wasn’t trying to ethnically cleanse them like the Israeli criminals were. What they wanted was to get their land back from the hordes of foreign invaders who stole it.

          “I am sure we can all agree that in this world it is not enough to believe that your position is just, you need economic and military strength to back your position.”

          No, we can’t. Often having a just position is enough in the long run. Certainly a just position without power is better than the alternative: An evil position with power. The latter, of course, describes your vile state.

        • eee says:

          The creation of the Jewish state has been a great good and the undoing of centuries of injustice. That you guys believe otherwise is to be expected. Luckily, because there is a Jewish state, what you guys believe does not matter.

          You can keep calling the million of Jews in Israel “vile” and “immoral”. It only shows your bigotry.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Bullshit. One genocide never justifies another. You’re just behaving exactly like Germans did after the injustice of crippling “reparations” after World War I. You’re “punishing” the Palestinians for what was done to you by Germans, just like the Germans “punished” your ancestors for what was done to them by Western Europe at the end of WWI.

          Millions of Jews in Israel are horrible racists who aren’t bothered at all by slaughtering Palestinian children wholesale if that’s what it takes to keep their seaside resorts and their “whites only” gated communities. Being Jewish doesn’t give you carte blanche to wage shoah on the Palestinians.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “The creation of the Jewish state has been a great good and the undoing of centuries of injustice.”

          Wrong. One cannot undo injustice by inflicting it on another. This is basic morality. I am not surprised you fail to grasp that.

          “That you guys believe otherwise is to be expected.”

          Yes, people like us, who seek justice for all, are often opposed by people like you, who are ethno-supremacists.

          “Luckily, because there is a Jewish state, what you guys believe does not matter.”

          Well, we’ll see how long your fantasyland lasts.

          “You can keep calling the million of Jews in Israel ‘vile’ and ‘immoral’. It only shows your bigotry.”

          LMAO. You need to learn how to read and think. eljay (rightfully) called you “immoral” and I (also rightfully) called your state “vile.” Neither of us said anything about “the million [sic] of Jews in Israel.”

        • eee says:

          “You need to learn how to read and think. eljay (rightfully) called you “immoral” and I (also rightfully) called your state “vile.” Neither of us said anything about “the million [sic] of Jews in Israel.””

          Except that is exactly what you meant as Chaos makes clear when he writes:
          “Millions of Jews in Israel are horrible racists who aren’t bothered at all by slaughtering Palestinian children wholesale if that’s what it takes to keep their seaside resorts and their “whites only” gated communities.”

          Continue making a fool of yourself, it is quite amusing.

        • DBG says:

          Palestinians invest twice as much in Israel as they do in the West Bank

          link to haaretz.com

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Except that is exactly what you meant as Chaos makes clear when he writes:”

          LMAO. This is elementary-school level logic: the meaning of a person’s statement cannot be conclusively established by the statement of another, absent that latter statement being adopted by the initial speaker.

          And it still wouldn’t change the fact that neither eljay nor I mentioned “million [sic] of Jews.” (N.B.: I don’t know how it is in Hebrew, but in English the word “million” here would take the plural.)

          I guess there’s no time to learn basic reasoning in Israeli elementary schools; after all, you must be so busy learning the fairy tales about making the desert bloom and getting lessons in oppressing innocent Palestinians.

        • Cliff says:

          Hear that Chaos? yonira is very deeply concerned about ‘your’ movement! Please take his advice to heart. Being mocked regularly, yonira speaks from experience.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Palestinians invest twice as much in Israel as they do in the West Bank”

          Really puts a lie to the paranoid Israeli “they want to drive us into the sea” bullshit, doesn’t it.

        • patm says:

          DBG, I trust you read all Amira Hass’s article.

          Here are the paras that explain why Palestinians invest in Israel:

          “Israeli control of 60 percent of the area of the West Bank, its control of the water sources, the restrictions on the movement of people and goods within and outside the West Bank, the Israeli market’s blockage of Palestinian goods, the lengthy process of importing raw materials from abroad and of exporting – all these limitations mean the Palestinian manufacturers’ inputs are much higher than the Israelis’. Land for leasing or purchase is more expensive because of its scarcity, water and electricity cost more and a Palestinian manufacturer’s waiting time for raw materials is longer than that of his Israeli counterpart. Therefore production in the PA areas of the West Bank are more expensive by 30 to 40 percent than production in neighboring countries.

          These are the main reasons impelling wealthy Palestinians to invest in Israel. At the same time, investors are also pushed into Israel because of the weakness of the Palestinian law and court system, incompetent management and a tax system they say does not encourage investment. They are attracted by the geographic proximity to Israel, the friendly and more experienced business environment in Israel, Israel’s developed international trade relations, easy access to banks and familiarity with Israeli society and how it works (as compared to unfamiliarity with the system in other states ).

          Smeirat’s findings reinforce the Palestinian national economy ministry’s view as manifested in its study of the price the occupation exacts from the Palestinian economy. According to this study (Haaretz, November 11 ), the Israeli restrictions depicted as security restrictions are connected to the colonial nature of the Israeli occupation, and are aimed at preventing competition from the Palestinian economy.”

        • DBG says:

          Woody,

          Kind of questions the whole who owned what land prior to 1948 also. If Palestinians are willing to invest more in Israel, than in the WB, is it a stretch to say they were also will to sell HUGE amounts of land before and during the British Mandate period?

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Kind of questions the whole who owned what land prior to 1948 also.”

          Not really. One is a historical fact, the other is a question of paranoia/intent. Two different things.

          “If Palestinians are willing to invest more in Israel, than in the WB, is it a stretch to say they were also will to sell HUGE amounts of land before and during the British Mandate period?”

          It simply doesn’t follow. The investment decisions of someone today, given today’s economic climate is completely irrevant to the decisions of a different set of people in a different environmental climate. Your statement contains the bigoted assumption that Palestinians act as a block and not as individual and contains the further bigoted assuption that they are, by nature, antisemitic, and that that is the only motivation they have, regardless of time or circumstance. It is a highly offensive notion you are pressing.

          But, regardless, even if they were willing to sell land, that does not give the Jews the right to impose an ethno-supremecist state and to ethnically cleanse the native population, in any event.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          DBG, why do you keep denying that most of the land Israel took from Arabs was stolen? It certainly wasn’t paid for, and it was taken by force of arms — by ethnic cleansing, by the same things that Germans did to Poland when they occupied there.

          Why do you think anyone is going to take you seriously when you keep predicating your posts on blatant lies and denials?

        • seafoid says:

          DBG

          The Jews didn’t own the land pre 1948. That is because Palestine never had a big Jewish population. The various aliyah waves didn’t bring any land with them. The Rothschilds did what they could but they only managed to buy 6% of the land. The people without a land were so called because they had no land. The people of the land without a people had the land.

          That’s why 93% of the land is still held publicly. Because if it was on the open market the Gulf arabs would buy it back. Everyone knows that. That trick is simples.

        • Chaos4700 says:

          Even with the UN partition lines, Israel wouldn’t have had a Jewish majority, either. Which of course, is why the Jewish colonists went on a killing and razing spree in 1948, driving half of the non-Jewish population into refugee status to make way for “breathing room.”

          But remind me again how that’s TOTALLY separable from Israel the Occupier and Israel the Settlement Enterprise, DBG.

  7. Whizdom says:

    Jewish boycotts of Arab enterprises (and labor) goes way back, pre state.

    • tree says:

      Yes, it does. I posted this on another thread but perhaps it better belongs here. This is old stuff recycled. It isn’t a response to BDS. Its a “feature” of Zionism.

      The Zionist colonization proceeded under three basic slogans. The first of these is Kibush Hakarka (Conquest of the Land). This means that the holy soil of Palestine is to be made the patrimony of the Jewish people. Jews must work the land, and Jews alone are entitled to do so. During the mandate period, mis slogan justified the Zionist land purchases and the forcible removal of the Palestinian peasants; since the formation of the state, it continues to justify the violent expropriation of Palestinians without any pretense of contractual agreement

      The second slogan is Kibush Ha’avoda (Conquest of Labor). In practice, this means that, as far as possible, Jewish enterprises must hire only Jewish workers. It meant that the Histadrut, which virtually excluded Arabs from membership until the mid-igsos, had as its main function before the establishment of the state in 1948 the enforcement of an Arab labor boycott

      The third of these slogans is Tozteret Ha’aretz (Produce of the Land). In practice, this slogan meant the maintenance of a strict boycott of Arab-produced goods. Jews were to buy only from Jewish-run farms and stores.

      Today, either from tactical considerations or from stirrings of guilty consciences, Zionist spokesmen try to cover up this past – and present.

      To demonstrate that these slogans in fact represented day-to-day practice of the Zionist colonization, it suffices to quote David Hacohen, a leader of the Mapai Labor Party, which ruled and still rules in Israel Hacohen was a member of the Knesset for many years and chairman of its most important committee, Defense and Foreign Affairs. In a speech to the secretariat of the Mapai in November 1969, Hacohen stated:

      I remember being one of the first of our comrades to go to London after the First World War … There I became a socialist … When I joined the socialist students – English, Irish, Jewish, Chinese, Indian, African – we found that we were all under English domination or rule. And even here, in these intimate surroundings, I had to fight my friends on the issue of Jewish socialism, to defend the fact that I would not accept Arabs in my trade union, the Histadrut; to defend preaching to housewives that they not buy at Arab stores; to defend the fact that we stood guard at orchards to prevent Arab workers from getting jobs there. … To pour kerosene on Arab tomatoes; to attack Jewish housewives in the markets and smash the Arab eggs they had bought; to praise to the skies the Kereen Kayemet [Jewish Fund] that sent Hanlon to Beirut to buy land from absentee effendi [landlords] and to throw the fellahin [peasants] off the land – to buy dozens of dunams [12] from an Arab is permitted, but to sell, God forbid, one Jewish dunam to an Arab is prohibited; to take Rothschild, the incarnation of capitalism, as a socialist and to name him the “benefactor” – to do all that was not easy. And despite the fact that we did it – maybe we had no choice – I wasn’t happy about it, [13]

      Hacohen’s revelation of his feelings is surely sufficient evidence that these slogans constituted day-to-day practice and that Zionism was in fact a colonization of displacement.

      Written by Matzpen in 1972.

      link to matzpen.org

  8. Newclench says:

    So crazy. A very large proportion of the business that employ Palestinians are… wait for it… construction firms building settlements, and in many cases employed by contractors who are settlers.
    I can’t prove it, but I’d be amazed if Yitzhar itself wasn’t constructed in large part by Palestinian labor.

  9. Sumud says:

    Despite a rather large attempt by eee to hijack the thread and claim parity with BDS I concur with the very first comment by seafoid.

    Meir Kahane was a jewish supremacist and a terrorist, and it sounds like his grandson is not an original thinker.

    The first thing this reminded me of is the nazi boycott of jewish businesses which preceded the holocaust. This is just one more sign post along the way to genocide. Nobody gets to say they didn’t know what was happening, when the killing starts. With a growing percentage of the IDF being religious nut settlers and “death to arabs” a popular sentiment among Israeli school children, the clock is ticking.