New York liberal Democrat implies Gutman is anti-Semitic

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Rep. Gary Ackerman speaking outside the United Nations in September 2011
(Photo: Ackerman.house.gov.)

The controversy over Howard Gutman’s remarks is proving to be a clarifying moment.

Similar to how the Democratic Party attacked Barack Obama over his call for peace negotiations to be based on the 1967 borders earlier this year, liberal Democrats are slamming Gutman, a big-time Democratic Party fundraiser. It’s one more example of this enduring truth: when it comes to Israel, there can be no deviation from the Israel lobby’s line, no critical thought–even when the guy doing it helps Democrats win elections. Gutman could become the latest casualty of the Democratic Party’s squeamishness on Israel.

The Washington Post’s neoconservative blogger Jennifer Rubin calls up some of the Democratic Party’s leading Zionists–and Gary Ackerman, the New York liberal who is one of the most hardline supporters of Zionism in Congress, seemingly calls Gutman an anti-Semite.

From Rubin’s piece:

Pro-Israel activist and former AIPAC spokesman Josh Block had this response: “This is a very disappointing set of comments from the State Department, which refused to condemn the remarks from the Obama appointee and campaign bundler who said, speaking as US ambassador, that there are two kinds of anti-Semitism. Contrary to his comments, all violence and against jews is anti-Semitism, not ‘anti-Semitism’ in quotes! And is the fault of the society where it occurs, not caused by the justification of its perpetrators. “ He blasted the administration as well: “The Ambassador’s comments were reprehensible, and so is the State Department’s refusal to condemn them directly, and to recall this representative of the American people. Rather than seek to make excuses for anti-Semitism, and promote its justification, Mr. Gutman should spend his breath condemning those who countenance such violence…”

Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) told Right Turn: “There is no difference between the anti-Semites who hate Jews because they hate Jews and those who feel a need to cite a reason for their hateful anti-Semitism. Anyone who thinks they are different is simply anti-Semitic.”

This is the same Ackerman who called efforts at holding Israel accountable through international law an expression of anti-Semitism. And now he is smearing Gutman for a speech that rings true.

As the Democratic Party begins to turn the heat on the Obama administration, just how long will Gutman last in his post?

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  1. Dan Crowther says:

    What are Ackerman’s “liberal” bona fides?

  2. yourstruly says:

    hey, this is an opening

    not a moment for our simply reporting on the israel-firsters reaction to the ambassador’s telling it the way it is

    along with the israel-firster traitors efforts to have the administration censor & fire him

    the fact that so far the state department refuses to bow down to the israel-firsters could be a sign that that at long last our president may be developing a back bone

    instead of lamenting the predictable israel-firster response, shouldn’t we be seeing to it that ambassador gutman’s words are widely disseminated?

    we’ve got to stop acting like passive losers accepting the whatever’s in store for us and start making history

    if, that is, we’re serious about change?

  3. “Rather than seek to make excuses for anti-Semitism, and promote its justification, Mr. Gutman should spend his breath condemning those who countenance such violence…”

    Exactly, Mr Gutman should condemn those IDF soldiers and settlers who countenance such violence”. It’s a pity, he did not.
    Instead, he tried to find reasons for growing anti -Semitism in Europe.
    But obviously, according to Gary A. , anyone “who feel a need to cite a reason for their ‘hateful’ anti-Semitism…..is simply anti-Semitic.”

    • It is another proof ( one of many) that a “reason” ain’t working with Zionism and zionists.
      They despise reason, logic, law,common sense ,etc.
      The raw Power doesn’t bow to any of that. The raw Power demands only an absolute, total, fanatical obedience. The zionsim is almost like a cult, a sect.
      A cult/sect has its leaders, inner regulations, and to be a part of the cult/sect, one has to stop thinking on his own, but simply follow the rules that cult leaders impose.
      Disobedience is NOT welcomed in the cult. There is a strong punishment for any sign of disobedience. Cult leaders don’t like it.
      They want to keep all, under full control of their iron fist.

  4. ah says:

    I want all of these Isreali first reps OUT of my government. I just want to vomit everytime I hear them speak of Isreal with such love. Get the fuck out of the US and go live there!

  5. Potsherd2 says:

    Ackerman is an AIPAC tool – one of many in Congress.

    • Kathleen says:

      More than willing tool. A critical tool

      • American says:

        If someone ask me what I fear most where it regards the well being of the US it would be the US congress and the current crop of GOP candidates for President.
        Very simply, they don’t represent Americans or the common good.
        They represent a lunatic fringe at the most.
        The Dems aren’t much better.

        • Potsherd2 says:

          I would have to agree with you, American. These are dark days.

        • dahoit says:

          There is an alternative,Dr.Ron Paul,the guy who will rescue US and make Israel eschew its insanity by forcing them to either make peace or commit hari kari.
          Last night I saw the PTB sneak attack him on HLN,where they had a story about the Old Geezer bank robber. he was given a dye pack and it exploded. They then put Dr.Pauls picture up with red hands,for a brief second,and then cut away to another story.What a hit!They fear him.
          I don’t understand why alleged sane people are stuck on critiquing his economics,when the PTB are the worst economists in history,witness their nation destruction.And now they are attacking Russian politics?Insanity.

        • American says:

          “I don’t understand why alleged sane people are stuck on critiquing his economics,”

          What puts me off Paul is his contradictions….he wants trade (import-export)regulated for some trade protection, which I agree with. On the other hand he is for a free market, which I also agree with —-but then he wants no bank or WS regulation, which I don’t agree with. It’s like he didn’t learn a damn thing from the 90′s S&L debacle or Enron or the WS melt down and the billions in bailouts.
          Then I have some social issues with him —I agree there is huge waste and fraud in a lot of entitlement programs — but he thinks he can resurrect the days when people paid doctors with a basket of eggs and communities took care of their own as portrayed in some little House on the Prarie TV show.
          He’s stuck in the past, those days are gone for the most part.

  6. hophmi says:

    Well, if I said that Islamophobia was based on the conduct of Islamic radicals through Europe and the Middle East, would you all defend my sentiments as simply explaining root causes or would you condemn? Many of you would condemn, so I don’t see why it should be any different with anti-semitism. Hatred is hatred, whether the perpetrators cite a reason or not.

    • Donald says:

      “Well, if I said that Islamophobia was based on the conduct of Islamic radicals through Europe and the Middle East, would you all defend my sentiments as simply explaining root causes or would you condemn?”

      Stated in that blanket sort of way I’d condemn, but if you said something more nuanced, then no. If you said that some of the fear of Muslims is generated by the conduct of Islamic radicals, but of course that is no excuse for violence or discrimination against Muslims, I’d probably be okay with that. (“Probably” because it might also depend on what else you said.)

      I read Gutman’s speech and it seemed nuanced to me. I’m in no position to know, but I would guess that some anti-semitic violence between European Muslims and Jews is driven by what happens in Israel–it still should be condemned and the perpetrators arrested and jailed, but as Gutman also said, to the extent that some of the anti-semitic violence is caused by this factor it’s a factor we could eliminate with a fair agreement.

    • Cliff says:

      No that’s bullshit hophmi.

      Of course Islamic fundamentalism plays a role in anti-Islamic sentiment. There are several meaningful reasons.

      • Hostage says:

        Of course Islamic fundamentalism plays a role in anti-Islamic sentiment. There are several meaningful reasons.

        In the case of the Ground Zero Mosque, the ADL said it was okay to stereotype all Muslims out of respect for the feelings of the families of the 9/11 victims.

        • hophmi says:

          “In the case of the Ground Zero Mosque, the ADL said it was okay to stereotype all Muslims out of respect for the feelings of the families of the 9/11 victims.”

          That is NOT what the ADL said. Don’t give me bullshit like this unless you have a source to quote verbatim. The ADL simply expressed the belief that building a mosque was inappropriate because it was controversial and stirred up too much emotion, and based it view on previous objections it had raised to the placing of crosses at Auschwitz, which it argued were perfectly legal but inappropriate. It NEVER SAID ANYWHERE that it was OK to stereotype Muslims.

          I do not agree with the ADL position, as I have made crystal clear here, but you have no right to completely distort it that way.

        • Cliff says:

          That IS the ADL position.

          And the ADL’s position should be put within the context of it’s other blatantly political decision-making. (Armenian Genocide!)

          The ADL does not have to literally say ‘we are stereotyping Muslims’ – they are doing so implicitly.

          And ANYWAYS, the ADL is a Zionist organization. They don’t give a shit about right or wrong. If they did, they would not be Zionist.

    • Hostage says:

      Well, if I said that Islamophobia was based on the conduct of Islamic radicals through Europe and the Middle East, would you all defend my sentiments as simply explaining root causes or would you condemn?

      So I was just imagining it when President Bush inaugurated a multi-trillion dollar war on terror against “Islamic fascists” who are willing to use any means to destroy us because we “love freedom”? Hmmm . . .

      Do you suppose the State Department missed all those reports and videos showing the Jewish settlers carrying out acts of terror against Palestinians while the IDF stood idly by or facilitated the work of the settlers? Why is it okay to call the Muslims fascists, but not the Jews?

      • hophmi says:

        “Why is it okay to call the Muslims fascists, but not the Jews?”

        WHO SAID THAT IT WAS OK? Did you forget how to read today? Or are you just in dishonest mode? It’s very simple. Antisemitism is wrong, whether Israel is a reason for it or not. Anyone who gives the impression that it is somehow more justified because it has a root cause in Middle Eastern politics is an apologist for hatred. It is no different with Islamophobia.

        • Cliff says:

          NO ONE IS SAYING ANTISEMITISM IS JUSTIFIED

          Just as no one is saying 9/11 is justified because of American foreign policy.

          Ron Paul touched on the issue of blowback in a Republican presidential debate some years ago and got straw-manned by the idiot mediator.

          You are doing the same thing.

          Just because the end result (antisemitism) is not justified does not mean the concerned parties (being realistic, ZIONIST Jews) should not self-examine.

          The people pissed off about Gutman are the same people who don’t give a shit about the expanding settlements or Cast Lead or almost 50 years of occupation and the present-day apartheid. ETC ETC ETC

          That is the context. Everytime something like this happens, that is the context. Everything. That colors the intellectualism about antisemitism.

          It does not exist in a vacuum. Didn’t Yale have an ‘Antisemitism studies’ branch? It failed due to horrible scholarship but is the concept of studying antisemitism wrong itself?

          You are implying there is nothing to understand. That is just a political ploy for you to then accuse critics of Israel of antisemitism and THEN not justifying the smear.

        • MHughes976 says:

          If nothing anti-Semitic is justified, nothing justified is anti-Semitic. Therefore no amount of complaint against Israel can be anti-Semitic if there is good reason for it.

        • Hostage says:

          WHO SAID THAT IT WAS OK? Did you forget how to read today?

          I read just fine. Gutman and the European Jewish Union were gathered together to discuss efforts to make it illegal to delegitimize Israel by labeling such activity as anti-Semitic. I’m sorry, but those settlers in Hebron and their IDF goon squads are fascists who hate Palestinians because they “love freedom”. Our current President said the Israeli settlements have no legitimacy. There is nothing illegal or anti-Semitic about saying that.

    • dahoit says:

      The Zionists are the most loving people in history,devoid of hate and not subject to age old grievances.Ho Ho Ho Ho.

      • Mooser says:

        “The Zionists are the most loving people in history,devoid of hate and not subject to age old grievances.Ho Ho Ho Ho.”

        Ah yes, absolutely! The Zionists are the kindest, warmest, bravest, most wonderful human beings I’ve ever known in my life!

    • Charon says:

      hophmi, you can’t even compare the two. If the majority of Muslim were participating and encouraging acts of terror and extremism, you would have a point and there would be a lot more Islamophobs and very little condemning. In reality, militant Islam is a tiny sect and all religions have extremists.

      Zionism was and still is supported by the majority of Jews. Palestinians really are directing their hatred at Zionists. Since there is little distinction between Zionists and non-Zionists, they may take it out on all Jews. It’s unfortunate but understandable. If the root cause of Islamophobia really was militant Islam and again the majority of Muslims supported it (which they don’t), it would also be unfortunate but understandable. Islamophobia is really just the flip side of Militant Islam, an extremist ideology stemming from a religious belief and intolerance of other religions. They’ve persuaded a few useful idiots along the way.

      Hatred is hatred and doesn’t require a reason, you’re right about that. But there is a difference in the way hate manifests itself. Could be words, could be violence. Words is obviously less evil than violence. It would be nice if we could magically remove hate from the world. But anti-semitic is still a powerful career-killing and public opinion-influencing smear. Where I live you can become a registered sex offender for peeing in public.. share a same list as a real child sexual predator and have your life pretty much ruined because of it. It’s kinda the same thing, and it’s pretty stupid IMO. Are you one of the types who think it would be just?

    • Charon says:

      One other thing, hophmi. Islamophobia is not a blanket category. The root cause of Islamophobia is not ignorance, it is mental illness and bigotry. The people running around fear-mongering Sharia Law (without even know what it is) are not doing it because of Islamic terror. They are doing it out of their own extreme religious ideologies, often Christian FundaMENTALism.

      There are a lot of Chaldeans where i live (and Chaldeans aren’t Muslim). There are also bigots who make racist comments using Arab stereotypes. Not because of Islamic terrorism, but because they are Arabs. Racist bigot yes, Islamophobic nope.

      There are Atheists and Agnostics who hate all religion. They are not Islamophobic. There are racists and bigots who use ‘terror’ to promote their own bigotry just as there are anti-Zionists who use that excuse because they don’t like Jews. You might consider that Islamopohic, but I don’t.

      There might actually be the rare ‘useful-idiot’ who hates Islam out of ignorance, drinking the MSM kool aid. They are may be Islamophobic by proxy. The difference is they can be persuaded by say the vocal Muslim majority who denounces terror and extremism. The mental Islamophobs can’t. How can you tell? Knowledge and experience raises your rationality ceiling and you can see right through these people with intuition. Islamophobs have no reason other than extremist beliefs and mental illness.

      Now if you tried to convince a Palestinian that not all Jews support Zionism, you’re going to have a hard time convincing them since most Jews live in Israel and most Jews are Zionist. The only reason you would call them antisemitic is if you don’t want their voices to be heard. That way you can feel all warm and fuzzy making Nazi analogies to demonize them.

      • RoHa says:

        “Now if you tried to convince a Palestinian that not all Jews support Zionism, you’re going to have a hard time convincing them since most Jews live in Israel and most Jews are Zionist.”

        Palestinians see the enormous support that Israel gets from Jews in other countries, as well.

  7. “There is no difference between the Islamophobes who hate Muslims because they hate Muslims and those who feel a need to cite a reason for their Islamophobia. Anyone who thinks they are different is simply Islamophobic.”

    • MHughes976 says:

      It’s true that anyone who considers that there are good reasons for any phobia (Anglophobia, say) shares the phobia, since we tend to accept whatever we consider to be backed by good reasons. If by ‘phobia’ we mean an attitude which is irrational and excessive then any claim that there are good reasons for it is in truth a delusion. But by the same token any negative attitude which is supported by good reasons cannot be phobic or dismissed as phobic. If I begin any relevant discussion by assuming that there cannot be good reasons for negative attitudes towards English people I am not showing splendid consistency but arguing in that old proverbial circle, making an assumption of what I want to prove.

  8. Scott says:

    I’ll give anyone 5-1 odds that Gutman will NOT be removed from his post. I think there are clear limits to the administration’s cravenness and this would surpass them.

    • lobewyper says:

      Removed from his post? He ought to receive a commendation!

    • Antidote says:

      “I’ll give anyone 5-1 odds that Gutman will NOT be removed from his post.”

      It will never happen and possibly be a strain on diplomatic relations between the US and Belgium. One might even expect street riots in Brussels, which has a large Muslim community. Belgium has no interest to provoke this

      • dahoit says:

        What?That’s absurd.

        • Antidote says:

          why? Gutman has done much to build bridges to Muslims in Belgium. To have him fired for this would cause consternation. This is just played for domestic US purposes. I can’t imagine the US admin wanting to appear like being silenced over the absurd charge of anti-semitism over this.

  9. A song dedicated to Mr. Gutman, sang by some of the only ” free” people in the world. The world that is becoming slowly, instead of one, happy global village ,one, unhappy , scary global CAGE.
    A cage, run by some thugs ,who want to turn the place into their own, private playground, but first, they plan to turn it into the bloody battlefield of their making.

    BTW, there is a nice “fire ” in the background.

  10. lobewyper says:

    I’m sure glad the USA is a country where truth, free speech, and freedom of thought on all topics is both encouraged and protected by law, and where nobody ever tries to tell us how to think and express ourselves. Truly, it is not Israel, but the United States itself that is the real “light unto the nations!”

  11. lobewyper says:

    So Rubin thinks Gutman is “anti-Semitic” because he suggested Israeli misbehavior might be criticised? O.K., Jennifer, how would you react if I suggested you were anti-democratic due to your implication that we should not have freedom of speech on all topics in this country???

    • tokyobk says:

      I think he said something slightly different. I think he implied that antisemitism is on the rise because of Israel, when there should be no moral or logical leap from one to the other.

      Let’s assume the worst about Israel. How does what ever Israel does mean there is a rational justification or understandable context for Jew hatred?

      Jews are all kinds of people (further complicated by the various types Jew one can be, religion, “ethnic” etc…) and even if there was a world-wide conspiracy or near universal support for Israel that would still not justify Jew hatred.

      Gutman might have said that Israel is acting terribly and that means that people who support Israel bear the moral burden of its choices, and while that would be something debatable for many,it would not imply a context for something that deserves no context or rationalization.

  12. a here is a few songs , sang by famous Iranian opera singer , Darya Dadvar, dedicated for all mondoweisses.
    link to youtube.com

  13. lobewyper says:

    P.S. to Jennifer

    Gutman might be incorrect in his linking of Israel’s behavior to the anger it mobilizes in others (though at least in this instance, I think he’s right). If you think so, say you think he’s wrong instead of subtly accusing him of anti-Semitism, a charge which you well know is not conducive WHATSOEVER to free and open discussion. It is very clear that the truth of the situation matters not to you, but only protection of the tribe.

  14. lobewyper says:

    Finally, I am waiting for the MSM to jump all over Rubin (and many others) for implying Gutman is anti-Semitic. Let’s start reminding people what a democracy is supposed to be.

  15. Jan says:

    Ackerman and the rest of the Israel First crowd should understand that there is every reason for Muslims to be anti-Semitic given what the Jews have done to the Palestinians. Israel has proclaimed itself as the nation state of the Jewish people and what they do reflects on Jews around the world. Certainly Jews were anti-German during World War 2 and for years after.

    If Ackerman and his crowd don’t want there to be anti-Semitism then they should not sit by and applaud every Israeli action that feeds anti-Semitism.

  16. irmep says:

    Josh Block and AIPAC are really milking his “former spokesman” role. He left the mothership right before the AIPAC porn scandal hit:

    link to google.com.,cf.osb&fp=a5e30d51accb9ad0&biw=922&bih=520

    Now he’s the go-to flack for a rapid, ever prickly AIPAC response. AIPAC doesn’t have to take any responsibility for what Block says, he gets to broadcast from some obscure outpost. Nice work all around, if you can get it.

    link to google.com.,cf.osb&fp=a5e30d51accb9ad0&biw=922&bih=520

  17. Eva Smagacz says:

    Gutman is Jewish. This should protect him.

  18. tokyobk says:

    Depends what is meant by anti-semitism.

    Jew hatred needs no context, as context is always justification, and this is true for hatred against Muslims or any other group.

    Some anti-Israel people are also Jew haters and some certainly not.

    The problem with Gutman’s statement is that it seems to imply that Jew hatred is in certain cases rational and justifiable. Let’s say everything bad ever said about Israel is true, how would that justify global Jew hatred?

    • RoHa says:

      “The problem with Gutman’s statement is that it seems to imply that Jew hatred is in certain cases rational and justifiable.”

      How does it imply that? It seems to me that he is suggesting that some Jew hatred is understandable, and that is is a result of current circumstances, but I don’t see anything to suggest that it is justifiable.

    • American says:

      “it seems to imply that Jew hatred is in certain cases rational and justifiable. Let’s say everything bad ever said about Israel is true, how would that justify global Jew hatred?”

      First you assume “global” Jew hatred. Why not asume “global” Israel ( Known as the Jewish state) hatred instead since you claim Israel is the anti semities ‘pretense’ for hating Jews?
      And then you can marvel at the fact that 99.99999% of Jews aren’t being hated and attacked because of the “Jewish” part of the State of Israel.
      In other words there is no ‘global’ Jew- hatred…despite Israel.

  19. The elephant in the room is this simple fact: Zionist propagandists and some members of Jewish organizations (like Abe Foxman) would like to live in a world where every single obstacle a Jewish individual faces is labelled Jew-hatred (or as they falsely call it, ‘anti-Semitism).

    In their world, if a bird shits on a Jew walking his dog, the bird must be a Jew-hater.

    The proponents of this belief always fail to make two distinctions:

    One, the difference between obstacles you face because of the ethnic or religious group you belong to, and obstacles you face because of a political group you belong to.

    Two, the difference between obstacles you face because of who you are, and obstacles you face because of what you do.

    Long story short: If Netanjahu gets protested or if an IDF soldier in occupied Palestine gets attacked, they are virtually always targeted not as members of an ethnic group, but of a political group. And not because of who they are when they are at home with their families, but because of what they do in office and at the checkpoint.

  20. lobewyper says:

    hophmi said:

    “…if I said that Islamophobia was based on the conduct of Islamic radicals through Europe and the Middle East, would you all defend my sentiments as simply explaining root causes or would you condemn? Many of you would condemn, so I don’t see why it should be any different with anti-semitism. Hatred is hatred, whether the perpetrators cite a reason or not.”

    Your statement here beautifully illustrates the “logic” you use to discuss I-P. You are saying that most people hate because they are haters, not for reasons. Any reasons given are merely self-justifying rationalizations of their underlying hatred. Ergo, any reason for such is for you a sham, and anyone who offers such a reason is unknowingly but obviously demonstrating their anti-Semitism. With this state of mind, you have freed yourself of the bounds of decent and principled human conduct–for you, human life is at heart a war of all against all in which only the strong survive. (I commend you for your uplifting view of human nature, Hophmi!)

    This kind of thinking is irrational and requires seeing others as equally so. This is why Israel is and has been under fire. You cannot understand why others might value international law and social justice–to you, those things are just a means of “prettifying” underlying hatred for Jews generally. “They’re going to hate us whatever we do, so we should therefore do whatever we want to and think we can get away with.”

    • lobewyper says:

      Hophmi,

      I forgot to answer your question. Indeed I would defend your sentiments “as simply explaining root causes” and would hope any other rational person would. (Not that I would be excusing Islamophobia, but at least I would better understand its emergence.)

  21. Gaius Baltar says:

    As Guttman is a Jew, attacks on him are anti-semetism. Ackerman must be a self-loathing Jew. One wonders why.

  22. john h says:

    This is the same Ackerman who called efforts at holding Israel accountable through international law an expression of anti-Semitism. And now he is smearing Gutman for a speech that rings true.

    Clearly, according to Ackerman I am simply anti-Semitic, along with so many others who have no hate for or phobia against Jews as Jews. It is a badge of honor.

    “The Ambassador’s Ackerman’s comments were reprehensible…”

  23. American says:

    ” Contrary to his comments, all violence and against jews is anti-Semitism, not ‘anti-Semitism’ in quotes! And is the fault of the society where it occurs, not caused by the justification of its perpetrators. “

    “Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) told Right Turn: “There is no difference between the anti-Semites who hate Jews because they hate Jews and those who feel a need to cite a reason for their hateful anti-Semitism. Anyone who thinks they are different is simply anti-Semitic.”

    I hate Ackerman for what he is, a liar and con man who deliberately lies to Jews to create fear and tribalism and lies about non Jews to make them the scapegoats for Israel’s sorry reputation … for the nefarious reason we all well understand.
    If he wants to claim that’s my excuse and I really hate him for being a Jew, let him.
    Ackerman, zionism and their “excuse”‘…that Israel’s problem is the world is anti semitic’…… are losing.
    Time has way of exposing everything….I’d say it’s underway right now.
    And how fitting is it that it was a Jew telling the truth about Israel and anti semitism who made the zio heads explode………you gotta love it!

  24. lobewyper says:

    Hopmi,

    I suggest you read the following article, titled, “Yes, Israel is a source of anti-Semitism”:

    link to 972mag.com

  25. Taxi says:

    Good grief this antishamti business has become sooooo unbelievably tedious and flat that I’m now more interested in cleaning my oven than discussing it.

    I also see it as a complete DISTRACTION from the crimes of Apartheid israel.

    Gentiles of the world are too busy with their OWN problems and are caring less and less for the Apartheid boy who cried wolf.

    We can with confidence now say that zionism has finished it’s long-long-long honeymoon and has entered the divorce gates of hell.

    And the innocent jews that it’s dragging down with it is COMPLETELY the responsibility of EVERY SINGLE ZIONIST LEADERSHIP and not the goy observer and analyst.

  26. Charon says:

    Ackerman’s method of explaining ‘antisemitism’ is precisely why Zionists want Pollard to be released. Anybody opposed to releasing Pollard would be an antisemite by way of Ackerman’s definition.

    The colonists who oppressed and continue to oppress the Palestinians all have something in common, their Jewishness. If they happened to have been Persians, they would hate Persians. If you were Russian and hated Persians out of bigotry because they were Persians, that is a totally different reason.

    Two different reasons… The first one is the result of cause and effect. The people who caused this oppression were Jews. The effect is Palestinians might not think favorly of Jews. It’s understandable. I don’t think Jews cared much for Germans after WWII. I’m pretty sure some of them still don’t care. The second reason is not a reason at all, just a bigoted belief.

    You cannot and should not be expected to lump both reasons under a single blanket category such as ‘anitsemitism’ … especially considering the attitudes and consequences in the West that go along with being labeled an antisemite.