The last time a Democratic president took on Benjamin Netanyahu…

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My favorite conspiracy theory. A commenter mentioned this some months back.

Monica Lewinsky

From The Clinton Tapes: Wrestling History with the President, a record of conversations with then-President Bill Clinton, by Taylor Branch.

Chapter 30, “Buddy and Socks”

Wednesday, January 14, 1998:

In his discourse on the Middle East, [Clinton] was nettled from the beginning. Late last year, Prime Minister Netanyahu went on American television to complain that Clinton had “humiliated” the State of Israel by declining to meet when both their airplanes were delayed conveniently on runways at the Los Angeles airport….Clinton balked at another state meeting whose sole purpose was to stall, Netanyahu, having committed to taking concrete steps forward, planned to filibuster yet again with reasons why Israel must wait instead- this time for five months…

Clinton’s temper rose in anticipation of separate audiences next week with Netanyahu and Arafat… Now Netanyahu blocked further withdrawals [from the West Bank]… Bibi would retain full control in more than half the West Bank—60 percent—including a network of roads connecting the Israeli settlements. Clinton said no two-state deal could advance on terms so stingy… The iron logic of occupation [in Gaza] demanded a servile psychology, but it also drove popular support from Arafat toward Hamas…

He said he understood why President Bush and Secretary of State Baker once announced cuts in Israel’s security allotmen That extremity, however, produced spasms of fear and retrenchment in Israel. It made sense only in a package to impose a Middle East settlement from the outside… Leaving Israel’s military assistance intact, the president contemplated his ultimate sanction: public withdrawal from the talks. He said it was not in the interest of the United States to dignify phony negotiations. He refused to sponsor a sham.

I asked whether he would say so to Netanyahu at the White House next week. “That’s what we’re arguing about,” he replied. Short of this, I asked, could he suspend further U.S. contact until Netanyahu delivered smaller steps like the business permits for Gaza?… [S]uch conditions would be a rebuke to Israel for dragging its feet on measures not essential to security. Clinton said his neutrality would be hard to recover…

Chapter 31, “Lewinsky”

Wednesday, January 21, 1998

Stricken, [my wife by telephone] told me to bring in our early Washington Post and turn on the television. Nonstop news revealed the president’s alleged affair with a twenty-four-year-old former White House intern named Monica Lewinsky.

49 Responses

  1. seafoid
    March 2, 2012, 8:54 am

    There was no lobby directed by Netanyahu when JFK was taking advantage of Mimi
    Alford.

  2. flyod
    March 2, 2012, 8:58 am

    as long as we are talking crazy conspiracies; who was meyer lansky?

    • jewishgoyim
      March 3, 2012, 7:09 pm

      Well, I remember reading someone’s biography on Clinton and it said that the Lewinsky scandal was propped up at the very beginning by none other than our main man Bill Kristol!

      Plus the eternal question: why not send the dress to the cleaner?

      • jewishgoyim
        March 3, 2012, 7:35 pm

        I reread the extract from the book from Sidney Blumenthal “The Clinton Wars” and Bill Kristol did not break the story. However, Drudge broke the story “late Saturday night”. I don’t know how widely read Drudge was at the time but Kristol was the first to mention it on the Sunday morning show.

        As per Blumenthal: “Kristol had learned of the latest Drudge posting from Richard Porter, who had been one of Kristol’s aides in Vice President Quayle’s office and was now Kenn Starr’s law partner at Kirkland and Ellis.” (p 321, hard cover edition)

        See below about “the likud faction” mentionned by Blumenthal in a comment below.

  3. Dan Crowther
    March 2, 2012, 8:59 am

    what, was lewinsky some sort of plant? haha. anyone know how linda tripp feels about israel?

    (linda tripp in my mind’s eye, will always be john goodman playing her on SNL – one of the best ever)

    • atime forpeace
      March 2, 2012, 11:37 am

      Phil, are you setting some of your commenters up to be banned?

      Could the U.S example of jewish involvement in power political games within nations be used to study past historical examples of anti semitism?
      What causes them and the drivers that lead up to such events could probably be studied if they would have had an internet.

      Anti semitism is after all a mental disorder that is passed on from generation to generation and is not caused by any actions jews ever take within any nation.

  4. atime forpeace
    March 2, 2012, 9:24 am

    Phil, are you setting some of your commenters up to be banned?

    Could the U.S example of jewish involvement in power political games within nations be used to study past historical examples of anti semitism?
    What causes them and the drivers that lead up to such events could probably be studied if they would have had an internet.

    Anti semitism is after all a mental disorder that is passed on from generation to generation and is not caused by any actions jews ever take within any nation.

    Has Mel Gibson been completely rehabilitated yet?
    Isn’t Purim coming up soon?

  5. Izik
    March 2, 2012, 10:34 am

    Haha. :)
    Funny how people think “Zionists”, which is a thinly disguised euphemism for Jews, have all these super-powerful secret abilities to control the US’ foreign policy through secret “lobbies”. Anyone with with a minimal every day political knowhow knows that Netanyahu can barely pass a law raising taxes on vegetables. He is weak and nervous, hardly the kind of person who can control the world’s strongest superpower with his secret Jew powers. The connection of these stories to standard anti-semitic mythology cannot be denied.

    • atime forpeace
      March 2, 2012, 1:26 pm

      Izik, snap out of i have some good kona coffee for you to sniff on to take the shet’l out of the person.

      Have you not seen the battle these last few days, CJCS Gen Dempsey, Leon Panetta, and the U.S security apparatus trying to make a stand against the politicians and the press who are trying to lead us into a war on israels behalf by creating a false narrative in order to foment support from the american public to lead us into a war, i think our soldiers deserve better to to sign up to fight to defend the American flag and end up fighting to defend the Israeli flag because they are led into a false flag war.

      Quit it, you are smart enough to be on this site, you must be smart enough to think for yourself, try it you’ll be ok afterwards i promise you your community will respect you in the morning.

    • justicewillprevail
      March 2, 2012, 5:53 pm

      Nothing secret about them.

    • Citizen
      March 3, 2012, 11:23 am

      Izik, no need for anyone to try to disguise how Zionists always conflate their ideology with Judaism and All Jews and “the Jewish State.” It’s totally transparent. Indeed, AIPAC and Likud Israel depend on this conflation to milk America of its treasure and soldiers. They’ve been very successful, but the times–they are a-changin’. Dershowitz has his last arrogant finger in the damn against the waters of truth.

      • Izik
        March 3, 2012, 2:32 pm

        “AIPAC and Likud Israel depend on this conflation to milk America of its treasure and soldiers”

        To suggest that Israel “milks” America, the world’s strongest super-power, of its “resources” is ludicrous, and is suspiciously similar to anti-semitic lore about regarding Jewish “shadow governments” ruling countries or the world. From the protocols:
        ’6. In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan’
        In short, it’s the same anti-semitic canard dating back over a 100 years ago.

        • yourstruly
          March 3, 2012, 3:59 pm

          by its false claim that it speaks for all jews it’s israel’s takeover of palestine that stokes antisemitism. delegitimize the zionist entity and antisemitism will shrink to a size that can be flushed down the toilet.

        • Chaos4700
          March 3, 2012, 4:18 pm

          If it’s anti-Semitic, Izik, give us our $3 billion plus back.

    • Charon
      March 3, 2012, 7:26 pm

      Netanyahu can barely pass a law raising taxes on vegetables

      I guarantee you he could pass a law on raising taxes on vegetables here in the US. Funny how you go from laughing off the notion of Zionist power over US foreign policy to Bibi’s own power in Israel itself. The two are not even related.

      You places lobbies in quotes, also as if it is laughable to joke about control by lobbies. It is no joking matter that mega corporations and lobbies have the most say politically. It would be laughable to deny this fact. In terms of the Zionist lobby’s control over our foreign policy, please google “Iran” and set the search range to the past month. Notice the same infamous neocon pundits calling for war from less than a decade ago regarding Iraq. Notice that top Obama officials including Obama himself continue to address what is an reality a non-issue.

      Need I remind you of the 29 standing ovations that Congress gave to Bibi? This was during the same week as an AIPAC Congress with AIPAC members present.

      Notice they applaud his lies and tired rhetoric. He may has well told him the signet ring story (leaving out the fact that his family changed their name). Would have gotten 30 standing ovations if he did. Congressional aids claimed that AIPAC told congressman they would watch video for body language. USSR-style.

      Congress has power over the POTUS. That’s an inconvenient fact. And the lobby has control over congress. This is not a laughing matter as you seem to think that it is.

      Lastly, I know you’re fairly new around here. Just an FYI, that whole “Zionist is a euphemism for Jews” and “criticism of Israel/Zionism is antisemitism” is junior-level stuff. Even the hasbara folks here know that.

  6. Pixel
    March 2, 2012, 11:22 am

    Phil,

    I applaud you for this piece.

    Whether this particular conspiracy theory is correct or not, the fact is that some are. There is tremendous merit in seriously considering each of them and serious consequences if we don’t.

    In many cases, conspiracy theories are simply people who put the pieces (facts) together long before others are able or willing to. How quickly we forget them.

    For years, people have been warning that the US was becoming a police state and tip-toeing toward fascism. They had the courage to share facts, which were their clues. They were ridiculed, derided, and dismissed to our own peril. Now, daily posts are written here about NDAA.

    Do we learn nothing until it’s always too late?

    We risk everything not to keep an open mind, temporarily suspend our disbelief, and examine each and every one of them. Some of the biggest “conspiracy theories” floating around out there, right now, are fact and evidence-based.

    That intelligent people dismiss that is crazier than any conspiracy theory could ever be.

    • Pixel
      March 2, 2012, 1:58 pm

      “But what does that have to do with the mission of this website, ‘The War of Ideas in the Middle East,’ and Israel/Palestine?”

      Everything.

      It’s all connected.

      • Pixel
        March 2, 2012, 2:08 pm

        Just to be clear, when I write that it’s all connected, I mean that everything’s connected, not just connected to Israel/Palestine.

    • chauncey
      March 4, 2012, 12:15 am

      well framed, pix

  7. seanmcbride
    March 2, 2012, 12:10 pm

    Monicagate was almost certainly an Israeli/Likud op designed to undermine the Mideast process by destroying Bill Clinton.

    The largely neocon-owned and controlled mainstream media absurdly blew this incident all out of proportion, clearly with the intent of damaging Clinton or pushing him out of office altogether. These are the same mainstream media that drove the United States into a self-destructive war against Iraq which are now beating the drums for a war against Iran.

    The most important question is this: how many black ops have Israelis run against Americans (including American presidents) since the creation of Israel (and even before it)? Best guess: many. Lord knows what Netanyahu and his cronies have cooked up for Barack Obama — we’ll know soon enough.

    • seanmcbride
      March 2, 2012, 12:39 pm

      edit: Mideast process > Mideast peace process.

      Added note: the same political forces may have been behind both Monicagate and the Rabin assassination, and with the same motive, obviously. There is enough hard evidence out there (Google it) to justify reasonable speculations about these issues. It is impossible to overstate the fanaticism and ruthlessness of Greater Israelists — we are talking about literal biblical zealotry.

    • dahoit
      March 2, 2012, 12:55 pm

      And how do we not know that the MSM has some info about his alleged place of birth,or some background info that if publicized would implode his reelection campaign?How else do we explain his hope and change abrogation?Blackmail is a very effective tool of criminals with the power to control our discourse.
      Trust;An extinct human value among the se(y)rial liars.

  8. seanmcbride
    March 2, 2012, 12:14 pm

    This is a repost:

    Ken Starr and the “Likud faction”

    Check this out:

    BEGIN ARTICLE
    AUTHOR Sidney Blumenthal
    TITLE Ken Starr’s media minions
    PUBLICATION Salon.com
    DATE May 6, 2003
    URL link to salon.com
    BEGIN QUOTE
    But far from closing shop, Starr’s office was expanding its work. The prosecutors’ sense of mastery after they broke the Monica Lewinsky story became an almost intoxicated belief in their own omnipotence. Swagger and supremacy were raised to ultimate virtues. Within the office, Jackie Bennett, Starr’s deputy, promulgated a cult of toughness. He and his closest allies called themselves the “Likud faction,” after the hard-line, right-wing Israeli political party, and dubbed others who did not always share their unbending fervor “commie wimps.” They posted a chart in the office with “Likud” written above their names at the top and “Commie Wimps” at the bottom, beneath which were listed those who had not attained their plateau. In staff conferences, the soft-spoken Starr made a point of stressing the word “toughness.” He would not be a “commie wimp.”
    END QUOTE
    END ARTICLE

  9. Donald
    March 2, 2012, 1:32 pm

    Meanwhile, there are a lot of bad things done by Israel which we know really happened. For instance, earlier today I posted a link to a Tablet magazine article outlining the Israeli/American connection to the Guatemalan genocide in the early 80′s–it’s topical because Rios Montt, the worst of the Guatemalan dictators, was recently indicted for genocide. I apologized in the other thread for going off-topic, but in this case that seems like a plus–

    link

    Possibly I’m being a little too snarky, but I don’t get the point of this post unless there is actual evidence. There are so many real things that we know beyond question that Israel is guilty of doing.

    • Citizen
      March 3, 2012, 11:33 am

      Donald, I sort of feel the same way. Clinton had a history of being the power abuser with females before he met Monica. She was one among many. Was she a plant? Clinton will likely never publish his real thoughts about how he felt and thought about Israel’s handling of him during the “peace process,” nor of whether or not he may have concluded later Monica was a plant to take advantage of his rooster side show. His only kid is married to a former white collar criminal’s son, who happen to be Jewish.

      • Izik
        March 3, 2012, 2:54 pm

        “Was she a plant?”

        Yes. Monica Lewinsky was a Mossad plant. And Linda Tripp is her operator. Are you guys aware of the sheer lunacy in these theories?

  10. W.Jones
    March 2, 2012, 1:39 pm

    What do you think of this claim?
    link to rense.com

    • Annie Robbins
      March 2, 2012, 2:22 pm

      i think if something was published in vanity fair it’s probably got some teeth.

      • Citizen
        March 3, 2012, 11:42 am

        It’s hard not to believe the likes of Hagee types and Bill Krystol types did not seek to put pressure on Clinton to go Bibi’s way by flinging around his sexual escapade with Monica, whether or not she was a set-up to do this.

  11. Fredblogs
    March 2, 2012, 1:48 pm

    This site is past the irony critical point. I can’t tell whether Mr. Weiss means this as a joke or if he genuinely believes that Monica Lewinsky was part of some conspiracy by the Jews. Are you being Stephen Colbert or Bill O’Reily with this?

    • Cliff
      March 2, 2012, 2:15 pm

      Conspiracy by the Jews?

      What the hell are you talking about?

    • Annie Robbins
      March 2, 2012, 2:20 pm

      by the jews? oh heaven’s no. where did phil ever imply that?

    • lysias
      March 2, 2012, 2:27 pm

      There was no need for Monica Lewinsky to be in on the plot for Israel to have used knowledge of her affair with Clinton to try to derail Clinton. We know from the Starr Report itself that Clinton told Monica that some foreign embassy was listening in on their telephone conversations.

      • seanmcbride
        March 2, 2012, 3:25 pm

        Exactly — often the people at or near the center of these kinds of ops have no idea about what is going — they are being manipulated and exploited from outside. I doubt that Monica Lewinsky was a witting member of any conspiracy — just an opportunity and tool that was exploited in a conspiratorial fashion.

    • Citizen
      March 3, 2012, 11:46 am

      It does not matter. Who with any sense of history doubts Israel Firsters here would use anything to pressure POTUS to rubber-stamp any Israeli regime’s desires? I don’t think Obama is vulnerable as Clinton was to adultery.

  12. American
    March 2, 2012, 3:22 pm

    Whether Monica was part of a conspiracy is iffy to me.
    What isn’t iffy is that the Israelis did have access to WH phone calls.
    It would be just like a sleeze ball like Netanyahu to have been holding onto that scandel nugget to use at some point and just like a sicko fanatic like Falwell to urge him to release it and start a public storm against Clinton.

  13. Eva Smagacz
    March 3, 2012, 8:14 am

    One also need to bear in mind that Linda Tripp has been advised to collect evidence of Clinton – Lewinsky affair by Lucianne Goldberg, who never hid her strong pro-Zionist loyalties, and helped her to take her story to Michael Isikoff (same one that recently postulated that Gingrich received millions from Sheldon Adelson because “he likes casinos and doesn’t like unions”).

    While that does not prove that conspirators made Clinton fall for Lewinsky, it shows that they ruthlessly, and in coordinated fashion, used what they found to damage him.

  14. Citizen
    March 3, 2012, 11:59 am

    Whatever, Monica is not talking these days: link to zimbio.com

  15. Charon
    March 3, 2012, 7:12 pm

    Ahem,

    According to Ms. Lewinsky, she and the President had a lengthy conversation that day. He told her that he suspected that a foreign embassy (he did not specify which one) was tapping his telephones

    This if from the actual Starr report:

    link to washingtonpost.com

    The Bibi connection to Monicagate is not fringe. What foreign embassy do you think he was talking about?

    Whether Lewinsky was a plant or not (‘honey trap’) is irrelevant. A British investigative journalist named Kevin Dowling claimed that he had sources in Tel Aviv tell him that Mossad obtained over 30 conversations between Lewinsky and Clinton by bugging her apartment phone. The sources also claimed that Pollard’s ‘inside man’ was still inside at the time and partially responsible. Theodore Olson, one of Pollard’s attorneys, was a close friend and colleague of Kenneth Starr even. Pollard just a couple years prior had received Israeli citizenship and not long after Monicagate Israel finally admit responsibility for his spying and Bibi himself began to lobby for his release.

    During a WH press conference, a reporter even asked Mike McCurry “Is it true that the White House is bugged by a foreign country?” because rumor had it there was not only a mole in the WH itself (and it was well known Clinton had an investigation for such a mole) but the security company in charge of billing services for the phones in not only the Watergate, but also secure locations in the WH, was an Israeli security company that also had the ability to tap into the phones there. The phone system was replaced not long afterwards after suspicious that a backdoor had been exploited.

    If this is a conspiracy, file it under conspiracy fact. Not theory. There is far too much evidence, circumstantial and otherwise, not to point a finger at the lobby, Israel, Netenyahu, or all of the above. Too many dots are connected. Oslo was huge, a PM of Israel was assassinated over it. Bibi claimed to have stopped the Oslo accords by making the Jordan valley a security zone. Sharon had to create a new party to disband Gaza settlements (ironically considering it was Sharon) because Likud doesn’t recognize peace. And Bibi is the master of lies and deception (if you’re a sucker for it of course). We all know it. Him and Clinton did not get along at all, and Clinton’s comments from just a few months ago saying that he was the obstacle is just further proof of bad blood.

  16. seanmcbride
    March 3, 2012, 11:26 pm

    I count at least eight Likudniks close to the op: Jackie Bennett, Jonah Goldberg, Kenn Starr, Lucianne Goldberg, Matt Drudge, Richard Porter, Theodore Olson and William Kristol.

  17. seanmcbride
    March 4, 2012, 12:19 am

    Greater Israelists (Likudniks, neoconservatives, Christian Zionists) have exploited many events and policies to distract attention from, obstruct and derail the Mideast peace process, including:

    1. 9/11
    2. 9/11 anthrax attacks
    3. Afghanistan War
    4. Afpak War
    5. Ariel Sharon stroke
    6. Clash of Civilizations
    7. Global War on Terror
    8. Iran War agitation
    9. Iraq War
    10. Islamophobia
    11. Libya War
    12. Monicagate
    13. October Surprise
    14. Yitzhak Rabin assassination

    The name of the game with most of these items has been to keep Americans enraged at and committing violence against Muslims and Arabs while keeping the Mideast peace process perpetually on the back burner.

    Which of these events and policies, going beyond exploitation, have they been behind and engineered? Certainly some of them and perhaps most or all of them.

    Of course the Mideast peace process itself has probably been a scam from day one — there was never the slightest intention by the Israeli government under either Likud or Labor to achieve a real peace agreement or to permit the creation of an independent Palestinian state anywhere within the borders of Greater Israel.

    The current Likud op in play: whip up hysteria about Iran, drive up oil prices, damage the American economy and make Obama unelectable this coming November. Probably other ops will be brought into play if this one doesn’t work.

    Americans have been taken to the cleaners by these ops, which just keep on coming.

    • Charon
      March 4, 2012, 7:03 pm

      And it works, they’re going to keep coming. There was already a movement in the West to equate Islam with terrorism. 9/11 provided such significant momentum to this that even some non-bigots turned into bigots. Temporarily at least. Bibi himself ignorantly said that 9/11 was good for and would generate sympathy for Israel. His entire comment is disgusting when you think about it. He selfishly said it was ‘good’ before calling it a tragedy. What kind of person does that? Him of course. The two wars the ensued further distracted public opinion from I/P. The Sharon government even tried to exploit this by claiming that Al Qaeda was working with Hamas and was in Gaza. Nevermind Gaza’s tiny size or the fact that Israel probably knows whenever the citizens there use the bathroom. Western news reported this, but they failed to report the Mossad sayinam arrested in Gaza pretending to be Al Qaeda within weeks of Sharon’s claims. This is well-sourced btw, even BBC picked it up:

      link to news.bbc.co.uk

      I would also add the Second Intifada along with Arafat’s isolated compound and subsequent death to that list.

      I do believe in part the Iran thing intends to sabotage Obama in an election year, but it also comes at a time when Palestine has given international attention to statehood, the death of the peace process and 2SS, the unity government, the criticism of Likud/Bibi/Zionism, etc. Just another thing to distract our minds.

      Israel has existed for 64 years. They have occupied territory that does not belong to them from day one. They have committed ethnic cleansing and genocide, and have used terrorism since before they even existed. For the past 45 years they have occupied ever more territory and irrationally so in defiance to international law.

      For 22 years they occupied Southern Lebanon. For 15 years they occupied the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt. That particular peace agreement was what led to the basis of peace with the Palestinians culminating with the Oslo Accords over a decade later. But that was nearly 20 years ago. During this time we have seen not only the above distractions, but consistently failing negotiations with mediators such as the Zionist Dennis Ross involved taking the Israeli side neverminding that this is a conflict of interest. We have seen more settlement activity than the prior 25 years had seen. We have seen endless military conflicts, terrorism, and warfare. Mostly from the Israeli side. Even when it is allegedly the Palestinians. I would like to think we are nearing the end of the road, but I’m sure others thought the same thing 20 years ago…

  18. seanmcbride
    March 5, 2012, 9:16 pm

    Benjamin Netanyahu threatened to “burn Washington” in 1998

    (It seems to have been a threat directly aimed at Bill Clinton and in defiance of the Mideast peace process. Any relevance to Monicagate?)

    BEGIN ARTICLE
    TITLE Netanyahu Denies Pullback Agreement
    SUBTITLE Israeli Leader Scuttles Reports Of Progress As Albright, Arafat Talk
    DATE May 19, 1998
    PUBLICATION Chicago Tribune
    URL link to articles.chicagotribune.com
    BEGIN QUOTE

    Despite reports of a breakthrough in Mideast peacemaking, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that he had not agreed to the central U.S. proposal to break a 14-month stalemate….

    Netanyahu spoke after returning from meetings with U.S. negotiators in Washington. Arguing that he could accept only a 9 percent pullback without endangering Israel’s security, Netanyahu garnered unequivocal support from Republicans in Congress and some American Jewish groups ready to chide President Clinton for pressuring Israel to take unnecessary risks for peace.

    Netanyahu felt confident enough about his position during his five-day U.S. tour to threaten privately to aides that he would “burn” Washington if Clinton tries to lay blame for failure of the talks on Netanyahu’s government, analysts said.

    END QUOTE
    END ARTICLE

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