Daniella Pletka
(Photo: Kevin Wick)
Does anyone take the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) seriously anymore? AEI’s Vice President for Foreign and Defense Policy studies Danielle Pletka has gone off the rails in her latest blog post Does Obama hate Israel? Initially it didn’t even occur to me she was serious. Aren’t they supposed to at least give the impression (unlike say, the Kristol’s Emergency Committee of Israel) of being somewhat reasonable? But, she’s not kidding!
Some months ago I was in a small confab with two senior foreign policy people and a rising senator. We got to talking about Israel, and one of those present began the tale of a recent meeting with Barack Obama. Now before I get to the punch line, I underscore that the person I’m citing is in every way a member of the establishment — not a bomb-thrower, not a blogger, not a tweeter. What struck him, he told us, was that the president “hates Israel.” I pushed back, because I didn’t really believe it. “He hates Netanyahu?” I asked. “No,” this greybeard replied. “He hates Israel.”
I’m sure each of us could find some unattributed quote to characterize pretty much anyone in DC, but here are the reasons I’m becoming more and more inclined to believe. Let’s review the bidding.
- His Israel/Jew-hating pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright
- His good pal, Israel hating Rashid Khalidi
- His unprecedented, stronger than the Palestinians’ own, settlement policy
- His “overheard” remarks on Netanyahu
- His references to Israel as “one of our closest allies”… because…Egypt? Iraq? Saudi? Huh?
- His reference to Israel’s concerns about Iran as “noise”
I don’t think Obama is a Muslim, I doubt he has plotted the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood, and reject all the nuttiness around the current White House. But a wise man once encouraged us not to shy away from a diagnosis when something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck. Let’s face it: Perhaps hate is too strong. But dislike strongly? I’ll buy that quack.
Funny.
She’s not only an Israel Firster – she’s a caricature of one.
I remember seeing an interview with her on some random half-serious political website some months back. It was supposed to be about foreign policy. She couldn’t stop talking about Israel and Iran.
She even slammed Bush(!) for being ‘weak’ on Israel. She’s totally nuts.
For her, endless wars are the answer, as long as Israel profits.
Again; some Israel Firsters at least try to hide it or be tactful(as much as one can be) about it. Not this lady. She’s nuts to the max.
Pletka is a warmonger from before the invasion of Iraq. She has been on Washington Journal pushing for a war with Iran.
I buy this quack as a fifth column Israeli-zio agent and traitor to the US.
Calling Sean McBride…add her to your list if she’s not already on it.
The Zionist cause attracts some of the most idiotic people on this planet.
It also attracts vile avaricious criminals for whom life is cheap.
Except theirs of course.
Very true. Pletka gave a speech earlie thsi year saying that the biggest threat of an Iranian nuke is not that they would use it, but that they wouldn’t – thus appearing to the world like a trustworthy and reasonable state.
So in otehr words, she would rather Iran use a nuke if they had one rather than not becasue not using it woudl make them look good.
Shingo…you are so unfair. She is an…
1. AEI Scholar!! and …
2. a long-time Senate Committee on Foreign Relation senior professional staff member for the Near East and South Asia, and…
3. the point person on Middle East, Pakistan, India and Afghanistan issues, and…
4. the vice president for foreign and defense policy studies at AEI, and…
5. Pletka writes on national security matters with a focus on Iran and weapons proliferation, the Middle East, Syria, Israel and the Arab Spring, and…
6. well, i seem to be running out of space.
Gee, those AEI people love long titles and descriptions, don’t they?
I gotta get me some of them titles…
Wow, Shingo. She’s the one who said that?
I guess that’s the problem with ignoring and/or dismissing the stupider statements. It causes, me at least, to miss the full breadth and texture of the patterns of deceit being strategically and relentlessly woven together to create the power narrative on Israel wrt to everything else.
Thanks.
ritzl, the link to her saying that is embedded in the article above, under her name. there is a video at the link.
Sorry. Missed it. Must read, not skim. Thanks.
Who cares how the man feels??? If his policies don’t reflect those feelings, they’re irrelevant. And his policy has been to smooch israel’s shiny hiney, no less than any of his predecessors. It’s Orwellian: it’s not enough that Obama obey Big Brother; he must LOVE Big Brother.
But a wise man once encouraged us not to shy away from a diagnosis when something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.
Netanyahu a wise man? Might as well call Obama a Muslim.
True, ECI is an explicitly hardline Zionist organization, so one expects it to bash anyone, especially Democrats, for not supporting Israel’s rightwing policies. But AEI also is a Zionist organization — a think tank, not an advocacy group like ECI. AEI is a Hawkish Republican think-tank and neocons have been prominent among its leadership for decades:
As a Republican-aligned think-tank, AEI is framing ways for Republicans to appeal to Zionist voters and donors in attacking the Democratic president.
What senior foreign policy person has a gray beard, is in every way a member of the establishment, and has views like this?
I’m not sure I’d call David Addington a foreign policy person, but he does have a gray beard, and is currently a vice president of the Heritage Foundation, so he might well find himself in a discussion group with Pletka, who is a vice president of AEI.
Michael Ledeen has a gray beard, and has in the past had a position at AEI (and currently holds a chair at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies), but who could say he isn’t a bomb-thrower? For that matter, who could say that about Addington?
There probably was no gray beard, she made it up…the only time zionist don’t lie is when they are talking or writing to each other, out of sight of the rest of us.
Danielle Pletka: Some months ago (February then?) two senior foreign policy people and a rising senator, … he told us, the president “hates Israel.”
Wow. And she was there? Got yourself a picture, Danielle?
“…His references to Israel as “one of our closest allies”…”
I was waiting for someone to try to jump on him for that.
I was actually hoping they’d try to make more of it. Maybe Obama was as well. The attack would be a real ticket to nowhere.
Actually, the one they seem to have missed was when Obama said, if Romney wants to start another war, let him explain that to the American people.
What he was really doing, it pointing the finger at Bibbi.
Pletka’s a real hard-core nutter and hate-mistress.
link to rightweb.irc-online.org
Basically, the Bush administration didn’t go far enough.
Gawd help us all. This Iran b/s is now ratcheted up to a level that has me worried. What is going on to warrant such insanely risky, even outrageous, rhetoric?
This lobbyist’s words sound like incitement to me. This must be the first time in my life where a “you’re paranoid” invective would make me very happy:
link to youtube.com
It’s a part (@1.15) of this video:
‘How to Build U.S.-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout’ – in direct contradiction of the “preventing” thing in the title of this meeting:
link to youtube.com
just wow on that first video
Clawson’s schtick a few years ago was that an attack wouldn’t be so bad because Iran wouldn’t respond out of weakness.
The Last Resort: Consequences of Preventive Military Action against Iran; Patrick Clawson and Michael Eisenstadt (WINEP); June 2008
Summary: link to washingtoninstitute.org
Full (pdf) paper: link to washingtoninstitute.org
From the ES:
That quote is pretty oblique, but it is indicative of the thrust of the paper/contention – policy makers shouldn’t “worry” too much about retaliation (2008).
Now Clawson is saying Iran needs to be goaded into attacking to provide political cover for the “Attack Iran!” movement. Maybe I’m wrong, but this suggests a level of common sense rising up to counter the warmongering. The fact that Clawson went on public record with a false flag advocacy is also an indication of desperation. Progress of sorts?
Still, Clawson is lobbing snowballs down the proverbial snowy mountain slope with this stuff. As nuts as it must seem to normal people, it still presents risky sentiment. As long as it’s out there, there is a chance it may be adopted.
I also note that PBS’s favorite moderate, David Makovsky, was sitting right next to Clawson when he went on with this false flag “thinking”/shrillness. I don’t know what that means except that it’s unlikely Makovsky is a “moderate” in any meaningful sense.
Thanks for the link.
w/false flags…even if it’s not ‘out there’, there is a chance one may be adopted.
She is a dead ringer for the other war monger.
Livni.
as you know AEI is a front for Rightwing Nutballs
Reread John Adams and the only mention I can find of Jews is towards the end concerning the dedication of a New York Synagogue (concerning freedom of religion)…plenty of Blacks, Indians and even some Muslims from North Africa but no Jews…I wondered how in the hell Thomas Jefferson and Alexander Hamilton managed with no advice from all these learned Jews?
My grandfather somewhat removed, Wooding Sperry, fought with the Continental Army during the Revolution and my people are buried at Gettysburg with the 141st and 84th Pennsylvania Regiments and I am a combat officer with the US Army and the only advice I have for this woman from the AEI is to go f*ck herself and go to Israel and fight her own damn war because the rest of us could give a shit.
how do you know she’s jewish?
link to motherjones.com
thnx
The link is inconclusive. Pletka is vaguely Slavic, but the closest Polish word is plotka and Russian, pletnitsa, in Bulgarian there is pletka. The bearers of the last name Pletka seem to be American and I suspect that some original Slavic surname was simplified (do not try napletka as a search term! I am warning you). Ethymology is the same as Plotkin.
“how do you know she’s jewish?”
Because her first job after getting out of college happened to be in Jerusalem?
link to nndb.com
(I also happen to remember reading, though I can’t find a link, that she was connected to Australia’s Israel lobby before moving to the U.S. Maybe one of our Australian readers can fill us in.)
chuckcarlos,
Alexander Hamilton got plenty of advice from Jews, in fact his entire early education which was at a private Jewish school.
Not his entire early education, unless you count working for Beekman and Cruger(Jewish?). His having a Jewess tutor developed a life long reverence for Jews(Chernow). His mother taught him French amongst other things.
tokyobk says:
September 25, 2012 at 9:12 pm
chuckcarlos,
Alexander Hamilton got plenty of advice from Jews, in fact his entire early education which was at a private Jewish school.”>>>
Nope, Wiki mentions he went to a school ‘ that had a Jewish headmistress’. But there was no private Jewish school he was enrolled in. Due to lack of money and other complications, he had basically a catch as catch can education in St. Croix, some time at the school with the Jewish headmistress and also tutoring by a Presbyterian minister. He was prevented from attending the Anglican school cause he was illegitimate…his mother was French , his father Scottish and they were never married. In fact Hamilton went to work at age 11 because his father deserted the family. He came to the colonies at age 13 after some people in St Croix raised money to send him to school here. He attended Elizabethtown Academy in NJ headed by Francis Barber (Scot-Irish).
Wiki version…
Hamilton received “individual tutoring”[7] and classes in a school led by a Jewish headmistress.[12] Hamilton supplemented his education with a family library of thirty-four books,[13] including Greek and Roman classics.
Education
In the autumn of 1772, Hamilton arrived by way of Boston, Massachusetts, at Elizabethtown Academy, a grammar school in Elizabethtown, New Jersey. In 1773 he studied with Francis Barber at Elizabethtown in preparation for college work. He came under the influence of William Livingston, a leading intellectual and revolutionary, with whom he lived for a time at his Liberty Hall.[19] Hamilton applied to the College of New Jersey (now Princeton University), asking to be allowed to study at a quicker pace and complete his studies in a shorter time.[20] The college’s Board of Trustees refused his request.[6][20][21] Hamilton made a similar request to King’s College in New York City (now Columbia University), was accepted, and entered the college in late 1773 or early 1774.[
Hamilton’s bio….
link to ushistory.org
”Alexander was educated early by his mother and as well as a presbyterian clergyman on St. Croix. He was employed at the age of 11 as a clerk in a general store and was found to be quite exceptionable in his job as well as in his writing.’ ‘
A Jewish headmistress. In a synagogue. In Charleston, the capitol of Nevis.
Wiki is a start, not a finish.
My real point is not about Hamilton’s education, nor his heritage. It’s the impression left here in that remark and sometimes that Jews are not part of the original, the norm, the standard. Somehow always interloping.
You see there was this America of the Revolution and the Civil war that we real Americans fought (without Jews of course, though of course it was with Jews — including the main financier of the Revolution — different story. And Jews fought loyally for the Union and Confederacy — also different story and one not so flattering to liberal Jewish sensibilities).
You know, there were Indians, and blacks even North Africans(? an ambassador from the Barbary Wars?), but we got along just fine without advice front he Jews until they started flooding our shores in the early 20th century. And even still, Americans, real Americans and you know what that means, are pure minded and have no agenda of their own about religion or the Middle East until they are advised (manipulated) by Jews.
Happens here all the time.
it doesn’t happen here ‘all the time’ bk and you know it. in fact i very rarely read comments here like that one from chuck carlos. albeit there may be many people who think like he does most educated people are aware jews have been in america since the beginning of european immigration and that is reflected in our comment section. “all the time” my a**.
speaking of the revolution
link to en.wikipedia.org
I have never read a single comment from American or Citizen, and their choice of names are not incidental, in which the presumption of American-ness was not inherently something distinct from Jewishness.
This is whether praising good Jews (who wander among the natural populace) or bad Jews, zionists, who use their stealth interventions for evil.
Moreover, a basic presumption of much of this board is that transnational loyalties, loyalties to “universal” religions, and to global institutions is a neutral good– only questioned by bigots, but loyalty to Jewishness is suspect arrogance at best and usually filthy Zionism
I don’t accuse you of this and in fact think your reason for not noticing that it indeed happens all the time here, is that you don’t have it in you to notice, an admirable quality.
In fact, I have seen you many times call people on the same thing, even in the above thread and often when someone points out Jewish Americans as being thought of as distinct. You have mentioned that no one really cares about such distinctions and again I am sure for you that is true.
tokyobk wrote,
The Jewish establishment itself has synonymized “the Jews” and Jewishness with Zionism — with a passionate loyalty to Israel and Jewish ethnic nationalism — and Zionists have been meddling in highly aggressive and destructive ways in American politics on behalf of the Israeli government for quite some time now.
Matters have escalated to the point where an Israeli prime minister is blatantly interfering in American politics with the objective of overthrowing the current American president and driving Americans into a disastrous war with Iran.
Isn’t this the core of problem you are circling around — Zionism — and its deliberate conflation in the public mind by the Jewish establishment with all Jews and Judaism?
What are you and others like you going to do about solving this problem? Before you can fix the problem you need to acknowledge that the problem exists.
i’m sorry bk. i too found carlos’s post offensive. sometimes it’s very frustrating for me sometimes wanting to discuss a topic and having the framing immediately focus on the ethnicity. it just happened actually,right here, top comment: link to mondoweiss.net
there’s a big difference for me between loyalty to jewishness (for example i have friends who are very loyal to their traditions one you can view in this video link to mondoweiss.net ) and loyalty to zionism or israel first. the latter just offends me terribly as an american national and i think that’s a natural reaction. i do think dual loyalty is normal, it’s the israel firsters (of which their are many) who really bother me. people such as clawsen (and it is completely irrelevant to me whether he is jewish or not) who cater to the lobby. i do not buy the theory they really think there’s no space between our 2 countries wrt security, not when they ALWAYS cater to what israel thinks is best. i’m sick of it and i resent it. and i also do not put less blame on people like cheney or mark ricks or any of the myraids of politicians who are not jewish who treat israel like it’s at the top of a mountain. zionism (as it exists, not in the ‘ideal’ imagination) is an ugly racist ethnic nationalism and it didn’t have to be that way, but it is. it’s completely unamerican in my concept of what america is supposed to represent.
I have never read a single comment from American or Citizen… in which the presumption of American-ness was not inherently something distinct from Jewishness.
perhaps that is because the topic of american-ness is often broached here in contrast to the israel firsters being discussed.like the topic of this thread surrounds a group of americans (AEI) who, while using the name ‘american’ in their title, continually focus on israel and israel’s security (often at the detriment of american security). so in that context whether they are jewish or not is irrelevant. to me they (AEI) are traitors. that is who is pushing our country to war, zionist traitors. they are a danger to american jews and they are a danger to the fabric of our country, a fabric made wonderful and beautiful because of our diversity. a fabric which would be much less rich if not for the contributions of the diverse american jewish community.
the reality is those traitors exist and they are in positions of power and influence. so what you’re experiencing is the pushback from that but also i think your own sensitivity could over exaggerating the circumstances.
btw, many american jews i know have never even been to israel and as far as i know have no intention of going there. they are as american as it comes. breathe. we can lick this thing if we stick together as a country.
tokyobk,
We have repeatedly seen Zionists attack and abuse Americans (including American presidents), Arabs, Christians, Europeans, Iranians, liberal Jews, Muslims, Palestinians, etc. in the name of “the Jews,” Israel, Jewish nationalism and Judaism.
I would suggest that that is the problem on which you most need to focus your mind concerning deteriorating Jewish relations with non-Jews all around the world.
another thing to drive home my point, pletka is VP of Foreign and Defense Policy studies at a think tank in our nation’s capitol. she is not someone’s racist wify like racheal adams. she does not work for a blantantly out group like the emergency committee for israel.
if this were any other ‘think tank’ focused on china or something, who would take it seriously if the VP of Foreign and Defense Policy studies took such a partisan stance during an election cycle to run an article about wondering if the prez ‘hates’? and they called themselves american? it’s too much. the only reason these people (and that goes for winep too) are taken seriously is the power of the lobby in DC. and the rest of us have to put up with these people regularly as pundits on npr, fox news, nbc, abc, cnn and on and on and on. a huge percentage of our pundits and journalists are lobby approved and fill up reams of columns in our msm fishraps and tv. why is that? why is it that the narrative the american public are subject too is heavily laden down on one radical rightwing narrative centered around israel’s security? there are hundreds of millions of american citizens whose FP interests are not represented because a permanent position has been carved out in the american discourse for…zionism. and that needs to stop. we are being brainwashed. this is not the country i was raised in and i resent it.
do you resent it? what do you think of this radical over representation of zionists in our national discourse? doesn’t it piss you off? and doesn’t it piss you off how many times these radical zionists speak under the pretense of representing american jews? as if you are all of one ilk or something? so do you also blame them for giving the impression you are all of one mind. because that is what they often do, intentionally.
tokyobk says:
I have never read a single comment from American or Citizen, and their choice of names are not incidental, in which the presumption of American-ness was not inherently something distinct from Jewishness.
This is whether praising good Jews (who wander among the natural populace) or bad Jews, zionists, who use their stealth interventions for evil.”>>>>>>>
Well, if that’s your opinion, you’re wrong, and you haven’t read everything I have said here.
As for good Jews and bad Jews, there are good Jews and bad Jews, good groups of Jews and bad groups of Jews…..you think Jews as individuals or in groups are any different, can’t be as good or bad as other kinds of people or groups?
I do say many zionist are bad Jews (bad people) and some of them are un-American (in our admittedly idealized ideas of what American means) and I stick by that.
I think you have it completely backwards. I am not going to think of or treat Jews on this subject or whatever as innately different from myself or any other people. My criticisms or praise would be the same for others as it is for Jewish individuals or groups of Jews if the topic here was about some other issue and people that had nothing to do with Jews. Some people object to this attitude but that’s my belief and position. If you treat people differently they will ‘be different’, which imo is the crux of the problem with zionism and Israel.
tokyobk says:
A Jewish headmistress. In a synagogue. In Charleston, the capitol of Nevis.
Wiki is a start, not a finish.
My real point is not about Hamilton’s education, nor his heritage. It’s the impression left here in that remark and sometimes that Jews are not part of the original, the norm, the standard. Somehow always interloping.”>>>
No, your point was to inject some link to Jewishness into a American founder like Hamilton.
Otherwise why mention such a minor and fleeting connection?
That is the ‘un normal’ thing that we see that some Jews (and Israel) do to try and establish some kind of claim that there is a historical Jewish basis and connection in the founding of the US.
When this done on such slim connections is it you who are “interloping” into American history…and it is obvious.
We see this done all the time by Israeli propagandist for the purpose of trying to make the founding of America based on some bedrock ‘Jewish values’, on religious Judaism OT and that they are the same values in the creation of Israel.
There is nothing wrong with recognizing Jews in early America or Jewish contributions, but the propagandist don’t stop at that…they invent, revise and distort by claiming nonsensical Jewish credit for America…again for the sake of trying to tie Israel and Jewishness to America.
Ask yourself why you felt it necessary to even mention Hamilton’s primary schooling or why some Jews and zionist feel the need to claim and insert Jews into American history in a larger way than was actually true.
It’s the same reason some Jewish supremacist and Israelis claim they invented the cherry tomato and everything else.
“And even still, Americans, real Americans and you know what that means, are pure minded and have no agenda of their own about religion or the Middle East until they are advised (manipulated) by Jews.”…tokyoba
And that too is bs…..evidently you filter out all the criticism and rants we do about the sorry mentality of a lot of Americans, not too mention our so called US leaders and whackos US religious fanatics…..because you are obsessed with only picking out things about Jews.
Maybe you need to go to some general political site, not focused on Israel, to see the full spectrum of all kinds of Americans ranting on other Americans they think are ruining the country one way or another.
@tokyobk
Let me see if I can further explain to you what I think you don’t see or understand about your complaint.
If you as a Jew wanted to talk about Jews in America and Jewish contributions you would be no different than Americans of Irish, or English or Scottish origins who write about and point out the contributions of their ancestral group to America.
IOW, it would be normal to do that.
“Even” if you wanted to brag or exaggerate Jewish involvement in America because you think you are a under acknowledged minority in the founding of America…that wouldn’t be a problem either…that is something normal to minorities in anything..trying to get their due recognition.
The problem is when some Jews, Jewish groups and Israelis take various statements or events and try to morph them into things Jewish being the foundation of the idea of America.
When they do this morphing and rewrite their own history,..then What they are doing is also rewriting our history, American history.
Much the same way zionist deny Palestine’s real history.
I could give you dozens of examples of this kind of rewriting and propaganda which is used mostly for Israel these days…that are totally distorted and untrue.
I’ll give you two examples of them.
“Ambassador Oren , who has written two bestseller history books, shared a generally unknown account of America’s connection to Israel beginning 400 years ago when the Pilgrim William Bradford set foot in Massachusetts and declared the new world ‘Zion.’ Many colonists called the land, the ‘New Israel’ and England, the ‘New Egypt.’ Hebrew was a required language at Princeton and other colleges, and in 1783 when independence was won, some American leaders, including Thomas Jefferson, wanted Moses as the national symbol — but the eagle won out.
“The ‘New Israel’ felt a kinship – a divinely ordained duty” towards the Jews and their homeland, said the historian. This was shown again and again by US presidents including Lincoln who “after restoring the union wanted to restore Israel” and Woodrow Wilson, who against the wishes of his advisers, gave his support to the Balfour Declaration. This declaration led the way to a UN resolution on November 29, 1947, calling for a Jewish homeland ( 63 years to the date of the evening’s Eizenstat lecture). Six months later in 1948 and eleven minutes after the UN declared Israel a State, President Harry Truman made America the first country to recognize the State of Israel, which is the only democratic government in the Middle East. ”
What Oren does here is try to say Israel and America were at birth connected 400 years ago because a Pilgrim used a old testament term and allegory to liken the Dutch “Serparatist” from the Church of England fleeing to America to Jews fleeing Egypt and therefore …..”“The ‘New Israel’ felt a kinship – a divinely ordained duty” towards the Jews and their homeland”.
That is such a wild distortion of even the Pilgram Bandford’s true attitude and belief it’s hysterical. Bandford was a manical Christian and hated “papist” and that’s the main thing that influenced him. And this is what he actually said about his goals and he never said anything about duty to Jews or to some vision of Israel. He was concerned only about his Christian community in the colonies. He likened his own community to an exodus but he had no special affinity for Jews or thought Jews figured in establishing America, he just use the OT bible tales to reference the Separatist own story, as he says ..”to dicerne somewhat of the same for my owne contente.” He even calls England ..” the first of nations whom the Lord adorned”…before it went dark with the Church of England.
His sole interest was his own christian community.
All his collected papers are at this link read them all if you like.
link to pilgrimhall.org
William Bradford : Signer of the Mayflower Compact
“I shall … begin with a combination made by them before they came ashore ; being the first foundation of their government in this place. Occasioned partly by the discontented and mutinous speeches that some of the strangers amongst them had let fall from them in the ship: That when they came ashore they would use their own liberty, for none had power to command them, the patent they had being for Virginia and not for New England… And partly that such an act by them done, this their condition considered, might be as firm as any patent, and in some respects more sure.
“The form was as followeth : IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland King, Defender of the Faith, etc. Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620.”
what names were given to things, from the creation. And though I cannot attaine to much herein, yet I am refreshed, to have seen some glimpse hereof; (as Moses saw the Land of canan afarr of). My aime and desire is, to see how the words, and phrases lye in the holy texte; and to dicerne somewhat of the same for my owne contente.”
It is well knowne iinto the godly and judicious, how ever since the first breaking out of the lighte of the gospell in our Honourable Nation of England, (which was the first of nations whom the Lord adorned ther with, affter that grosse darknes of popery which had covered and overspred the Christian worled,) what warrs and opposissions ever since, Satan hath raised, maintained, and continued against the Saincts, from time to time, in one sorte or other. Some times by bloody death and cruell torments; other whiles imprisonments, i banishments, and other hard usages; as being loath his king- dom should goe downe, the trueth prevaile, andj^e chiuches of God reverte to their anciente puritie,
1558-1603] THE PILGRIMS IN ENGLAND 29 The Lord hath brought forth our righteousnes; come, let us declare in Sion the work of the Lord our God. Jer: 51. 10. Let all flesh be still before the Lord; for he is raised up out of his holy place. Zach : 2. 13. In this case, these poore people may say (among the thousands of Israll), When the Lord brougt againe the captivite of Zion, we were like them that dreame. Psa : 126. 1. The Lord hath done greate things for us, wherof we rejoyce. v. 3. They that sow in teares, shall reap in joye. They wente weeping, and carried precious seede, hut they shall retume with joye, and bring their sheaves, v. 5, 6.
Are not those Jebusites overcome that have vexed the people of Israll so long, even holding Jerusalem till Davids days, and been as thorns in their sids, so many ages; and now begane to scorne that any David should meadle with them; they begane to fortifie their tower, as that of the old Babelonians; but those proud Anakimes are throwne downe, and their glory laid in the dust. The tiranous bishops are ejected, their courts dissolved, their cannons forceless, their servise casheired, their ceremonies uselese and despised; their plots for popery prevented, and all their superstitions discarded and returned to Roome from whence they came, and the monuments of idolatrie rooted out of the land. And the proud and profane suporters, and cruell defenders of these (as bloody papists and wicked athists, and their malignante consorts) marvelously over throwne.”
Then Oren uses the …”some American leaders, including Thomas Jefferson, wanted Moses as the national symbol” as if this implies some ‘special connection’ to Jews and Israel. Instead of just the fact that in those days most Christian people used bible names and symbols in a lot of references, without their bible Christianity having anything to do with Jews in their practical world or any thought of Jews except in OT writtings.
Here in fact is the real story of the US Seal. Somehow the zionist rewriters of American history left out that Jefferson also proposed a seal with….”the Saxon chiefs from whom we claim the honor of being descended”. And also a shield……” consisting of the traditional symbols of the six European nations which had settled North America.”…and the Jewish bibical Israel was not one of those nations.
link to monticello.org
Seal of the United States
The Second Continental Congress appointed a committee on July 4, 1776, the day the Declaration of Independence was adopted, to select a design for a United States seal. The original members were John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson. The committee submitted its recommendation on August 20, 1776, but Congress delayed its approval for 6 years, during which time it appointed two additional committees. The seal as proposed by Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson changed considerably in the intervening years.
Adams favored the figure of Hercules, contemplating images of Virtue and Sloth, but admitted this was “too complicated a group for a seal or medal, and it is not original.”[1]
Franklin produced a biblical scheme: “Moses standing on the Shore, extending his Hand over the Sea, thereby causing the same to overwhelm Pharaoh , England, who is sitting in an open Chariot.
Jefferson’s ideas were similar to Franklin’s. But in addition to the emblem of Moses and Pharaoh, Jefferson proposed, on the reverse, “Hengist and Horsa, the Saxon chiefs from whom we claim the honor of being descended, and whose political principles and form of government we have assumed.”[3]
In addition to their individual submissions, the three members of the committee also asked the Philadelphia artist Pierre Eugene du Simitiere for a design. Du Simitiere responded with a shield consisting of the traditional symbols of the six European nations which had settled North America. The shield was surrounded by thirteen shields representing the states and flanked by the goddess of liberty and an American rifleman. It also bore the eye of Providence and the motto “E Pluribus Unum.”
The committee’s final proposal consisted of thirteen linked shields, each bearing the designation of a state and the motto “E Pluribus Unum”; the date MDCCLXXVI; and Providence’s eye within a triangle. On the reverse was the biblical scene and the motto “Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to god.” Congress, however, tabled the subject, and Jefferson’s direct role came to an end.
New committees took up the matter in 1780 and 1782. Suffice it to say that goddesses, shields, starts, Roman soldiers, Indian warriors, and mottoes came and went. The final result was principally the work of Charles Thomson, a member of the new committee, and William Barton, a Philadelphia lawyer with a knowledge of heraldry. Barton’s design was similar to du Simitiere’s: a central shield flanked by the maiden America and a knight in armor. For the reverse, he proposed a pyramid topped by the eye of God. The knight was replaced by a Continental officer, and then both figures were replaced by an eagle. Thomson is given credit for these simplifications and improvements.
Jefferson thus had nothing to do with the selection of the eagle. His committee, however, did contribute several elements which were incorporated into the seal: the eye of Providence, the date, the shield, and “E Pluribus Unum.”
Writing to his daughter in 1784, Franklin offers wry comments on the Society of the Cincinnati. He finds their newly-minted medals “tolerably done,” but notes that “all such things are criticis’d,” some faulting the Latin, the title, or the bald eagle. “For my own part,” he adds, “I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen as the Representative of our Country; he is a Bird of bad moral Character.” Franklin was in fact pleased that the eagle on the Cincinnati medals looked more like a turkey, since “the turk’y is in comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America.” Though “a little vain and silly,” the turkey remains “a Bird of Courage,” who would quickly attack any British grenadier “who should presume to invade the FarmYard with a red coat on.”[4] As for Jefferson, no such evidence of a strong preference towards either the turkey or the eagle has been found.”
Footnotes
↑ Adams to Abigail Adams, August 14, 1776, in Adams Family Correspondence (Cambridge, Mass.: Belknap, 1963-), 2:96; quoted in PTJ, 1:494.
↑ PTJ, 1:494.
↑ John Adams to Abigail Adams, August 14, 1776, in Adams Family Correspondence (Cambridge, Mass.: Belknap, 1963-), 2:96; quoted in PTJ, 1:495.
↑ Franklin to Sarah Bache, January 26, 1784, in Benjamin Franklin, Writings (New York: Library of America, 1987), 1087-1088. Transcription of letter available online from the Papers of Benjamin Franklin.
Further Sources
Patterson, Richard Sharpe and Richardson Dougall. The Eagle and the Shield: A History of the Great Seal of the United States. Washington, D.C.: Government Printing Office, 1976.
“Report on a Seal for the United States, with Related Papers,” in PTJ, 1:494-7.
United States Department of State. “Great Seal.” link to state.gov
You’re welcome for the history lesson. There are no doubt some Jews that aren’t US history buffs and fall for this stuff they hear from the likes of Oren. As I said Jews can and should take full credit where they are due, but zionist should never fuck with American history for their own agenda.
..His references to Israel as “one of our closest allies”… because…Egypt? Iraq? Saudi? Huh?
..His reference to Israel’s concerns about Iran as “noise”
When Obama made these statements I thought he was laying some landmines to tempt the right wing and Romney campaign to stroll out into that field. It looks like it has certainly provoked the extremes of the neocon movement. Come on Romney, take a closer look, listen to all of those neocon advisers you have hired, I am sure they have some good suggestions on a sure fire way to win that pro-Israel vote.
I really liked that ‘noise’ quote. It was a very public insult to Netanyahu and every Israeli would see it that way, but the sentence was crafted in such a way that that meaning could be denied if Obama was challenged. It was also provocative — perhaps Netanyahu will decide to double down on our election thereby antagonizing even more Americans against
NetanyahuRomney.I thought Khalidi was rather scholarly and moderate.
OK, I thought we were having a private conversation, but since Danielle is blabbing now…
Some months ago, I was in a small confab with Danielle Pletka, a senior foreign policy person, and a rising senator, who happened to have some ‘bath salts‘ which he’d found in his teenage son’s bedroom. He was showing us the little jar of crystals when suddenly Danielle’s hand shot out and grabbed the vial. Before any of us could react, she popped the cap, dumped the contents in her mouth, and swallowed. All of it. Apparently, she’s some big-time gonzo party chick — I had no idea.
Anyway, after we stopped laughing, we sat around for a while, doing shots of Jäger. I noticed Danielle’s face was really getting flushed. “Whoa,” she said, “starting to rush now…” She looked up from the whitepaper she’d been methodically tearing into tiny squares, and looked straight at me. That’s when I noticed her pupils were gigantic — the irises were completely gone — just the whites and the huge black pupils, staring. “When did your beard get so… gray,” she asked, her voice squeezed tight through clenched teeth. “Uh…” I began. I looked at the senator, who flashed me his trademark white grin, his blue eyes twinkling. “Tell Dani about your meeting with Oh-Bummer,” he coaxed. I caught his drift: let’s mess with her head! “What did that motherf****r say,” she hissed. “Oh, you know, not a whole lot. Just… how much he really hates Israel.” “I knew it!” she screeched, “That Jew-hating shvartze!” Her head was sort of wobbling atop her long neck, her adam’s-apple working up and down (why have I never noticed how mannishly bulgy that thing is, I wondered.) Danielle violently pushed back from the table, and lurched to her feet. “I gotta go blog this,” she muttered.
True story.
lol! go uzi!
Now that was funny.
There is a question why a number of women, a few quite young, but more often rather motherly, or even grandmotherly do emit the most blood curdling notes in the history of soprano singing: Hojotoho! Hojotoho! Heiaha! link to youtube.com
The other day, Tzipi Hotovely led 9 Likud MKs to declare the support for an attack on Iran, if any. O Leader! Lead us and a valiant thousand will follow! Hojotoho! (do not try it at home, the final “ho” is so high that some glassware can break). Authorities agree that the chief purpose is to imbue men with battle madness, so they indeed battle, and Valkyries can collect the most valiant souls to the Hall of the Fallen (Valhalla) to make the Wotan’s army on the day of Gottdaemerung. So this is Wotan-first rather then Israel-first.
RE: “Aren’t they [AEI] supposed to at least give the impression (unlike say, the Kristol’s Emergency Committee of Israel) of being somewhat reasonable?” ~ Annie Robbins
MY COMMENT: On the surface, at least. But it’s amazing what you find when you scratch through the relatively staid veneer!
SEE: “George Soros’s Right-Wing Twin”, by Philip Weiss, New York Magazine, 7/24/05
Multibillionaire commodities king Bruce Kovner is the patron saint of the neoconservatives, the new Lincoln Center’s crucial Medici, owner of a vast Fifth Avenue mansion—and the most powerful New Yorker you’ve never heard of.
ENTIRE ARTICLE – link to nymag.com
Kovner doesn’t have a gray beard, does he?
RE: “Kovner doesn’t have a gray beard, does he?” ~ lysias
REPLY: No, he’s more like a “blow-dried” version of
Richard Perle.
• Bruce+Kovner Google images - link to google.com
• “Bruce Kovner: capitalist pig of the month”, By Louis Proyect, The Unrepentant Marxist, 6/15/08
LINK – link to louisproyect.wordpress.com
P.S. • “Be Like Buffet: New Yorkers Visit 10th Highest Earning Hedge Fund Manager; Call on Him to Support Tax for Millionaires and Wall Street” ~ Community Voices Heard, 4/14/12
ENTIRE ARTICLE (WITH PHOTOS) – link to cvhaction.org
Wow this woman is beyond idiotic! Just my quick summary:
1) Of course a “necessary mention” of Reverend Jeremiah Wright??? They do realize Jeremiah Wright has no line of communication to the corporate, military industrial complex, Zionist lobby shill that Obama is today, right?! But I guess just showing Jeremiah Wright saying “God damn America”, is enough to “frighten” the right wingers!
2) Professor Rashid Khalidi is a highly respected academic and historian, and Pletka throwing a cheap attempted “insult” at him (for daring to not be, I guess, “in love with the ‘idea of Israel’” as some right wingers are saying Obama supposedly isn’t! i.e. “in love with” apartheid, colonization, racism, a bigoted mini-theocracy teaching “goyim” are unhuman according to Ovadia Yosef, etc etc etc). But I’m assuming Pletka also throws this same attempted attack at a whole wide array of academics, among them Jews and Israelis such as Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, Avi Shlaim, and basically all the new historians.
3) How exactly is Obama being “stronger” against illegal Zionist settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories then the Palestinians themselves???!! The Obama administration VETOED the most recent UN Security Council attempt to once again reiterated that the Zionist settlements on illegally occupied Palestinian land are once again (as always) against international law. But yet from this Peltka states the Obama regime is supposedly “vigorously opposing the settlements”!! This is roughly the equivalent of the people who seriously try to claim Obama’s regime is out to “destroy Israel” even as he (Obama) gets up and “happily” declares all the increasing in US military “aid” to the Zionists link to wrmea.org
4) Obama’s comments with Sarkozy are just evidence that many Western leaders are getting tired of having a foreign entity dictate their nation’s policies via unregistered agents of a foreign power (i.e. AIPAC in America, and the Zionist lobbies around Europe). Especially when that foreign power dictates things harmful to Western and American geopolitical interests themselves link to youtube.com
5) See the video I posted immediately above in the end of #4! The US derives NO “benefit” of any kind whatsoever from the Zionist entity. Which makes it one of the most ridiculous cases of a ridiculous ONE-SIDED “relationship” where Israel takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, takes, etc ad nauseum and America is used by Israel (to quote Jim Traficant) as a “cheap whore”. If one wanted to discuss actual US geopolitical “interests” (imperialists as they likely are) they are FAR better served in this one region (in the Middle East) by three nations that are already US allies: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey (others like Kuwait, the UAE, etc could also be listed). As for the main three I brought up; Saudi Arabia and Qatar both have OIL and gas, and a history of housing US military bases in the region (that remain openly right outside Doha, Qatar till this day) and Turkey is a Muslim majority NATO member with US and NATO air bases located on Turkish soil itself as well. That may likely explain why the Zionists freaked out so much after the Israeli massacring of the Mavi Marmara Gaza Freedom Flotilla as they knew how important Turkey was to Israel and that Turkey was (and is) so important to the US and Obama (at this current time). Heck, if the US government ditched the AIPAC lobby (that they serve) they could even broker a rapprochement in Iranian-US relations; that independent sources say Iran had been trying to do for years, while the neocons ignored and tried to push for war (and we know who the neocons serve, AIPAC cough cough!).
6) As for Obama’s administration MAYBE “pouring” some VERY LIMITED “cold water” on the AIPAC and neocon push for an illegal US attack against Iran; this is one small positive sign coming out of the Obama administration on foreign policy issues. And even that has been again very limited, and basically just amounts to because Obama is not following the AIPAC script 100% to the letter, he is attacked by the Zionist propagandists (“Israeli-firsters” cough cough!) that “roam” around US politics as supposedly having “abandoned Israel” blah blah blah (of course again as Obama does nothing but up aid for the insane Zionist regime). Another good point to mention is that a large amount of Americans have woken up and are saying “NO MORE wars for Israel”.
I think Pletka is right about Obama. At least, I hope she is. She only mistaken in two things. The first is her belief that Obama is alone. The second is her assessment of what is driving this contempt for Israel, which is the actions of herself, AIPAC and the rest of the Zionist lobby.
Former US Senator from South Dakota James Abourezk in 2006:
” I can also tell you that very few members of Congress—at least when I served there—have any affection for Israel or for its Lobby. What they have is contempt, but it is silenced by fear of being found out exactly how they feel. I’ve heard too many cloakroom conversations in which members of the Senate will voice their bitter feelings about how they’re pushed around by the Lobby to think otherwise. In private one hears the dislike of Israel and the tactics of the Lobby, but not one of them is willing to risk the Lobby’s animosity by making their feelings public.”
Obama has given more money and more assistance to Israel than any other President. So you have to ask the question, what would the world be like if Obama LOVED Israel? How much money would we give Israel then? Would the Israeli Prime Minister have an automatic seat as a US Cabinet member. Would the Star of David become the 51st on the American flag. Would criticism of Israel be regarded as treason for American citizens, subject to the death penalty.
I only hope Obama, and our legislators continue hating Israel, the way the American politicians and the American people came to hate fascism and apartheid. Its the only light at the end of the tunnel.
There is some neurotic theme here, not invented or restricted to Pletka.
Do you really love me? Or you just sleep with me because I give you money? I feel like a stupid trick. Say that you love me! But do you really, really mean it? Say that you really, really mean it! But you say that to the other ones too! I feel humiliated! One of allies! Just one!? You stupid whorish jerk!
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Dictionary research:
gigolo [ˈʒɪgəˌləʊ]
n pl -los
1. a man who is kept by a woman, esp an older woman
2. a man who is paid to dance with or escort women
[from French, back formation from gigolette girl for hire as a dancing partner, prostitute, from giguer to dance, from gigue a fiddle; compare gigot, gigue, jig]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
ThesaurusLegend: Synonyms Related Words Antonyms
Noun 1. gigolo – a man who has sex with and is supported by a woman
debauchee, libertine, rounder – a dissolute person; usually a man who is morally unrestrained
lounge lizard, lizard – a man who idles about in the lounges of hotels and bars in search of women who would support him
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I feel that we are ruled by lounge lizards. But I try not to be neurotic about it.
OT, there’s a “Grant” who’s one of the disputants on RT television’s CrossTalk show today, which is just winding up on my computer. I assume this is Grant Smith, especially since he has a lot to say about the Israeli nuclear program.
The 11:30 Eastern time showing of the show has just concluded. It should be repeated at 1:30, 3:30, and 5:30, if I correctly understand RT’s scheduling.
Be sure to check out Danielle Pletka’s Right Web profile here:
link to rightweb.irc-online.org
Here is her Twitter feed:
link to twitter.com
Additions and corrections welcome for this:
# Danielle Pletka: key categories
1. accused anti-neocons of being antisemites
2. accused Barack Obama of hating Israel
3. AEI member (American Enterprise Institute)
4. Ahmed Chalabi supporter
5. anti-Muslim activist
6. Barack Obama opponent
7. born 1963
8. born in Australia
9. CIA opponent
10. Clash of Civilizations ringleader
11. CPD member (Committee on the Present Danger)
12. David Frum supporter
13. Frederick Kagan associate at AEI
14. Global War on Terror ringleader
15. Insight Magazine staff writer
16. Iran War ringleader
17. Iraq War ringleader
18. Israel lobby leader
19. Israeli op
20. Jesse Helms adviser
21. Jew
22. Jewish activist
23. Jewish hawk
24. Jewish lobby leader
25. Jewish nationalist
26. Jewish neoconservative
27. Jewish Zionist
28. Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced Studies MA
29. Los Angeles Times editorial assistant
30. neoconservative
31. NGO Watch affiliate
32. PNAC member (Project for the New American Century)
33. pro-Israel activist
34. pro-Israel militant
35. Reuters editorial assistant
36. Richard Perle supporter
37. Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff member
38. Smith College BA
39. State Department opponent
40. Stephen Rademaker wife
41. Syria War ringleader
42. torture ringleader
43. Zionist
Another take/view on Danielle Pletka
# Danielle Pletka: profile (likes and dislikes)
1. AEI+ (American Enterprise Institute)
2. Ahmed Chalabi+
3. Barack Obama-
4. CIA-
5. Clash of Civilizations+
6. CPD+ (Committee on the Present Danger)
7. David Frum+
8. Frederick Kagan+
9. Global War on Terror+
10. Iran War+
11. Iran-
12. Iraq War+
13. Islam-
14. Islamophobia+
15. Israel lobby+
16. Israel+
17. Jesse Helms+
18. Jewish nationalism+
19. John Bolton+
20. Judaism+
21. Likud+
22. neoconservatives+
23. NGO Watch+
24. PNAC+ (Project for the New American Century)
25. Richard Perle+
26. State Department-
27. Syria War+
28. torture+
29. Zionism+
Anyone that defends Ahmed Chalabi after all that’s come out now is either, a) monumentally stupid, or, b) monumentally stupid.
“But a wise man once encouraged us not to shy away from a diagnosis when something looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck.”
And if the duck’s inside the twenty…well.