Israelis celebrating Sukkot beat Palestinians worshipers

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(Photo: Ma’an News Agency)

On Friday in Jerusalem on the Muslim day of prayer Israeli tourists celebrating the Jewish fall harvest, Sukkot, attacked Muslims congregating at al-Asqa Mosque for Friday prayers. A large mob beat a group of Palestinians, resulting in the detainment of five Palestinians. Ma’an News Agency reported on October 5, 2012:

The Al-Aqsa Foundation for the Islamic Waqf and Heritage said around 140 Israelis toured the mosque, sparking physical and verbal scuffles with Muslims praying at the compound.

Israeli police spokesman Mickey Rosenfeld said five Palestinian citizens of Israel were detained for attacking the group, who were on a security-escorted tour for the Jewish Sukkot festival.

The attack comes as the latest example of vigilante violence in which large groups of Israelis assault Palestinians in broad daylight. Earlier in the week on Tuesday Ma’an also reported that another group of Israeli tourist also attacked Palestinians. It is unknown at this time if the two actions were related.

Mob violence against Palestinians in Jerusalem first gained attention last April when tens of Israeli youth attempted to “lynch” three Palestinians, while shouting “Death to Arabs.” During the outburst an Israeli police officer along with dozens of witnesses stood by and did not interfere on behalf of the Palestinians.

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  1. seafoid says:

    Imagine how sick Israel will be in 2022

  2. eljay says:

    The Ma’an News Agency article doesn’t say anything about who threw the first punch or insult.

    – Edit –
    According to this article:

    “A group of Arab Israelis threatened a group of Jews and Christians visiting the Temple Mount,” Micky Rosenfeld said.

    “The five Arab Israelis are suspected of making threats against visitors and police. The Jew who was arrested refused to comply with police orders,” he added.

    This most recent incident follows another incident earlier this week:

    Israeli police arrested five people on Tuesday, two Israeli Jews and three Arabs, for disturbing the peace and attacking police at the compound where the Al-Aqsa mosque is located, police told AFP.

    The arrests came as a group of rightwing Israeli Jews visited the compound, known as the Temple Mount by Jews and the Haram al-Sharif by Muslims. It is the third holiest site in Islam and is revered as Judaism’s most sacred place.

    “Two Jews from a radical rightwing movement were arrested this morning while trying to disturb the peace on the plaza,” police spokeswoman Luba Samri said.

    “One of the two, Moshe Feiglin, had started to pray, and the second had lain down on the ground,” she added.

    Feiglin is a well-known Israeli rightwing activist who leads an extreme nationalist branch within the Likud party of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    “Three Arabs, a woman and two men, were also held for questioning,” Samri added, without specifying whether the three were Palestinians or Arab citizens of Israel.

    “The woman tried to stab a police officer with a knife,” Samri said, adding that police would “be firm with anyone seeking to create provocations during Sukkot,” the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles, which began on Sunday night.

  3. chinese box says:

    @Allison

    You’ve only been over there a couple of days and already so much to report….this really says it all about Israel.

    • mondonut says:

      chinese box says: You’ve only been over there a couple of days and already so much to report….this really says it all about Israel.
      =======================================
      So much to report or to invent?

      Where does the headline “Israelis celebrating Sukkot beat Palestinians worshipers” come from? Not the Ma’an News Agency or any other source. So either it was personally witnessed and she saw what nobody else did, or it is pure invention.

  4. Chu says:

    and I thought Sukkot was a happier festival of the high holidays.
    The more I watch Israel today the more it looks like a cult that
    went awry. I don’t think the state is capable of finding harmony
    in the Arab world. Eventually they will have to adapt or pack it up
    and relocate, but for now they seem like Jonestown with a larger
    population. Netanyahu as Jim Jones.

    • seafoid says:

      Sukkot is about remembering the time in the wilderness when the Jews were refugees like the people of Gaza but the connection is too far and the ideological blindness is too limiting.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        The Jews were never in the wilderness, never refugees, never slaves in Egypt. Those were myths. Stories. Fairy tales.

        • Mooser says:

          “Those were myths. Stories. Fairy tales.”

          Dude, that’s really harsh. And after all, Woody, if the Jews cannot find the wherewithal to redeem themselves from Zionism in their own myths, stories and yes, even fairy tales, where else can they look? How would you like your daughter to marry a foreign myth? Or mythter, for that matter?

        • I am mythtified by your comment, Mythter Mooser. Are you saying you never played “Beat an Arab for Sukkot” when you were a kid?

    • HemiFaulk says:

      thanks for the laugh, got to get back to my eggs & grits now, its harvest time, gone get out here and plow a field

  5. seafoid says:

    The picture reminds me of a gangster movie. Ocean’s kippas.
    And I can smell the sweat of the protagonists.

  6. Sin Nombre says:

    See? In the other recent thread entitled “The Crisis of the Israel Lobby” (link to mondoweiss.net) I noted that the more I thought of it the less Zionism was the explanation of lots of what we see today with Israel and the more it had to do with some sort of … *jewish* “ideology”,world-view or conception.

    Likewise then we have what happened here: How does Zionism explain this? Where does Zionism ever say it cannot tolerate even a few non jews within its bounds so that when they are found praying, as here, they must be attacked?

    Like I said in that older thread whatever it is it might be *called* “Zionism” now, and might even be thought of as “Zionist” in inspiration by those committing these acts, but that just pushes back the question because they don’t seem explicable by original Zionism. Some *other* ideology/world-view/conception seems to me at play, very possibly grafted onto Zionism, but which wasn’t there in original Zionism at all.

    Maybe it’s not some “jewish” ideology/world-view/conception, I dunno, but at least to me it ain’t Zionism I don’t think.

    • seafoid says:

      Zionism was about Jewish nationalism. It was originally secular. The notion that the Jews are sui generis and God’s would have been laughed at by Herzl. Mystical claptrap that never did any good. The Israeli institutional treatment of the Holocaust survivors was based on this worldview.

      Somehow the religion got mixed up with militarism and kooked up Torah to the point where people like Feiglin insist that :

      link to haaretz.com

      “A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel.”

      • Mooser says:

        “Somehow the religion got mixed up with militarism…”

        “Somehow”? I would think necessity is the mother of theological invention, in many cases (ohh, I love typing “in many cases”) I mean, look at the Boers.
        And then there’s the whole absurdity and atrocity thing, too. Where else could they go? Did Jewish history (actual or as represented to itself) make it even more probable? Probably, maybe, but a conquering faith is hardly unknown in history, and one was produced on demand.

        • seafoid says:

          Yes, Mooser, but were your grandparents rabid rightwingers who believed that violence would solve everything? How did so many Jews turn to that way of thinking? And why? And who decided that this was to be the future?

        • piotr says:

          The invention of monotheism lead to God supporting only one side in a conflict, while pagans believed that some gods were supporting one side, some, another, as from crib notes: Aphrodite, Ares, Artemis, and Apollo back the Trojans; Hera, Athena, and Poseidon aid the Greeks. Zeus remains neutral.

        • Mooser says:

          Seafoid, that’s the big four questions! But I’ll tell you one thing, Seafoid; if it was affluence which brought all the pretensions of violence and pretensions of separatism and loyalty to Israel’s illegal projects to that portion of American Jews they affect, I am completely safe. Affluence will never spoil Mooser! And I might mention that age cannot wither, nor custom spoil, my infinite variety. I’m not kidding. Just ask anybody. I never cloy.

        • aiman says:

          That’s not an argument. If two groups of polytheists fought, each side would have its own gods on its side. That is no different from two monotheists fighting. Monotheism, if tied to tribalism, becomes a problem. Such a monotheism is similar to polytheism. Also you might look into how Mongols described the monotheist God.

      • seanmcbride says:

        seafoid,

        Regarding Moshe Feiglin’s ethnic and ethnic nationalist supremacism and racism, which pervades all of religious Zionism:

        A Jew is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Israel is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Israel.

        When is the last time you have seen a statement like this?

        A Swiss is by the nature of his creation a purer being. Similarly with the holiness of the land: The soil of Switzerland is essentially holier, the stones are holier because the land was destined by God to serve as the place of the Children of Switzerland.

        Maybe never?

        We need to understand what strain of Jewish culture is producing people like Moshe Feiglin and contemporary religious Zionism.

        Religious Zionism represents a much greater threat to Israel and Israelis than any outside party, including Iran.

      • Hostage says:

        Zionism was about Jewish nationalism. It was originally secular.

        No Herzl always admitted that the priesthood would have a valuable function. He wrote:

        Shall we end by having a theocracy? No, indeed. Faith unites us, knowledge gives us freedom. We shall therefore prevent any theocratic tendencies from coming to the fore on the part of our priesthood. We shall keep our priests within the confines of their temples in the same way as we shall keep our professional army within the confines of their barracks. Army and priesthood shall receive honors high as their valuable functions deserve. But they must not interfere in the administration of the State which confers distinction upon them, else they will conjure up difficulties without and within.

        See the subsection on “Theocracy” in “The Jewish State”, link to gutenberg.org

        Unfortunately, the priests of Israel had long-since reserved the right to kill Gentiles who ventured into the sacred precincts of their Temples, i.e. See the “Greek Inscription, Found on Site of Temple Area, Forbidding Gentiles to Enter Within the Inner Temple Wall” in the Jewish Encyclopedia: link to jewishencyclopedia.com

        Discovered by Clermont-Ganneau in 1871. It reads:

        No Foreigner
        Is To Go Beyond The Balustrade
        And The Plaza Of The Temple Zone
        Whoever Is Caught Doing So
        Will Have Himself To Blame
        For His Death
        Which Will Follow

        There are also reliable published reports that the IDF rabbinate encouraged soldiers to cleanse the Holy Land of its non-Jewish population. So Herzl’s warnings have been ignored, but his movement was never strictly a secular one. He simply viewed the function of religious faith as a more limited one that he could harness to unite the people.

    • American says:

      “Some *other* ideology/world-view/conception seems to me at play, very possibly grafted onto Zionism, but which wasn’t there in original Zionism at all.”..Sin Nombre

      I think you may be right about some pre existing ideology within the Jewish tribe or within some sects of Judaism being grafted onto zionism. I have been reading thru this book lately about the emancipation of the Jews in Europe in the 1700 and 1800′s.
      link to books.google.com

      It contains the papers and government actions of European countries and responses from the Jewish leaders in those countries beginning with France, Germany, etc,etc.. on full citizenship rights for Jews.
      Reading thru it most governments are offering Jews total equality in rights—–in return for Jews assuming total “nationality” or national obligations and aacceptence of the laws of the countries they live in.
      In the Jewish leadership responses, some Jewish leaders accept this and some don’t.

      Starting with Jewish emancipation in France after their revolution the Feench leaders expressed the only doubt about Jewish citizenship and rights this way……

      “All deliberations on the obvious fact that the rights of citizens granted to the Jews appertain to the Jew’ qua individual’ and not to the Jews ‘qua nation’.
      Presumably it is the Jew qua member of the Jewish nation who bears all the egregious qualities that evoke the Frenchman’s fears.”

      In every nation that was emamcipating the Jews this was general theme….give up Jewish nationalism/tribalism and accept citizenship.
      So this Jewish nationalism, nation within a nation, the old canard, does in fact have a basis, else it would not have been the “major concern” in Jewish emamcipation for each country. The concern put forth was centered mostly on
      would Jews follow the laws of the nation instead of their religious laws and since emamcipation would allow Jews into government positions would their first duty be that of a ‘citizen’ to the nation and not to their Jewish tribe or nation within a nation?

      What you see in some Jewish responses to the governments (mostly by Rabbi leaders) is rejection of the requirement that Jews abide by national norms and laws on the grounds it would ”disolve the tribe and tribal unity”, they argue for citizenship but also maintaince of their separate laws and practices. And there is some tangeling of their religious laws with laws regarding commerce and marriages and so forth.

      Also in looking at the exact words and proposals from the various governments it seems to me to discredit the claim by some Jewish sectors that tribalism was forced on them by being victimized or excluded …because we can see that in various periods, countries and governments offer Jews full and equal rights but their tribalism and or leaders would not accept having to conform to the nations they lived in.

      The only thing you can conclude is that “the Jew ‘qua individual’ vr the Jews ‘qua nation” is the problem that keeps repeating itself concerning Jews and other nations.

      So yes, reading these official documents and debates and correspondence between governments and Jewish leaders thru the 1700′s on Jewish rights I think establishes that zionism existed among the Jewish communities, at least as expressed by some of their leaders, before it was called zionism. And whereever among Jews it existed then and does still exist today it appears to be the same blend of religious and cutural tribalism that zionism and the holocaust was able to turn into a real Jewish Nation and further elevate the idea of a world wide Jewish nationality.
      IOW, we now have the most extreme form of that tribalism in zionism and Israel.

      • seanmcbride says:

        American,

        This was one of your most thoughtful comments ever.

        The money quote:

        The only thing you can conclude is that “the Jew ‘qua individual’ vr the Jews ‘qua nation” is the problem that keeps repeating itself concerning Jews and other nations.

        Judaism was a PROACTIVE messianic ethnic nationalist movement and ideology from the start and at the root. That ideology has been the source of a great deal of friction and tension with “the nations” for thousands of years. Contemporary Zionism is the organic and natural expression of that ideology.

        This book (766 pages) definitely looks reading:

        book; AUTHOR1 Paul Mendes-Flohr AUTHOR2 Jehuda Reinharz TITLE The Jew in the Modern World: A Documentary History PUBLISHER Oxford University Press DATE 1995 AMAZON link to amazon.com

        Here is the Kindle edition:

        link to amazon.com

        Enlightenment Jewish thinkers made some important efforts to analyze and solve these problems, but the contemporary Jewish establishment overall seems to be sliding back into the dark ages.

        • American says:

          @ sean

          Yes well worth reading. The most valuable part to me was being able to read the actual papers, words and proposals of the countries that offered Jews full citizenship and the Jewish leaders responses back in the 1700′s.

          Gives a whole new perspective on the part Jewish tribalism has played in Jewish history even before zionism. From 1700 to now you could say the more things change the more they stay the same.

        • American says:

          @ sean

          “Enlightenment Jewish thinkers”

          Were represented in the ones whose responses were recorded in the book as accepting of the citizenship requirments.
          But it also put a lie to the claim by some hasbarist that the “Enlightment” was some kind of enlightment that fostered the notion of nationalism for Jews…it’s plain as can be in the words of both the Jews and governments recorded that the idea of a nation for Jews didn’t come out of the Enlightment period…except as a rejection of the requirements in being offered national citizenships where they lived.

        • wes says:

          The kindle link says not available.any other way?

        • seanmcbride says:

          Hmm… I had no problem accessing the Kindle edition…

      • Sin Nombre says:

        AMERICAN wrote:

        “I think you may be right about some pre existing ideology within the Jewish tribe or within some sects of Judaism being grafted onto zionism.”

        Well of course when looking for what pre-existing ideology/idea(s)/world-view/self-conception might explain it it’s awful hard to ignore the jewish claim to being “chosen” people by God. Especially given the literalness, seriousness and concreteness with which they take the seemingly related idea that God has “given” them a certain chunk of real estate too.

        But I don’t know enough about that “choseness” concept, I don’t think. I’ve often heard it said it’s actually the imposition of a duty, but then have seen it claimed that that itself can be shown to have been a blatant bit of rabbinically-originated, in-tribe misdirection of gentiles. Along the lines of … it being perfectly okay per the Torah to walk by a drowning gentile, unless doing so would rile up other gentiles against the tribe.

        I just dunno enough about that facet of things.

      • chinese box says:

        @American,

        I agree with Sean, fascinating post…

        The irony is that classical anti-semitism disappeared after WWII, making Israel unnecessary before it was even officially recognized as a state. The amazing success of American Jews stoked fears of total assimilation qua individual. Hence the need for the ADL, AIPAC to manufacture a lot of non-existent threats in order to keep hidden the fact of Israel’s superfluity, and slow or prevent the inevitable assimilation process in America.

      • seanmcbride says:

        American,

        You might want to check out this book in your investigations into the ideological roots of Zionism:

        BEGIN BOOK
        AUTHOR Stephen Sharot
        TITLE Messianism, Mysticism and Magic
        SUBTITLE A Sociological Analysis of Jewish Religious Movements
        PUBLISHER University of North Carolina Press
        DATE 1987
        SUMMARY In this first sociological analysis of millenarian and mystical movements from the Middle Ages to the present, Sharot deals primarily with the Jewish masses. He describes religious currents in which hope focused on either a messiah who would bring redemption or on the means by which the individual could achieve mystical cleaving to God. Also discussed are Sabbatianism, Hasidism, Reform Judaism, revolutionary socialism, Zionism, and the relationship between religion and magic.
        AMAZON link to amazon.com
        END BOOK

      • Danaa says:

        America, yes, great citation, summary and commentary. To add: I remember studying the history of enlightenment in school in Israel. Though my memory is a bit vague on this now, the impression left behind of the “Haskala” was of something “good” but somehow a two-edged sword, because it brought the dangers of assimilation with it. Since mine was a secular state school, ghettos were not exactly held to high value but these were always presented as something that happened “to” The Jews, and when the element of choice to self-segregate was brought up (as it had to be – by historical necessity) it was often excused. I think this is why it was difficult to do justice to the Jewish history in Europe within the secular education system. The concept of maintaining a deliberate “otherness’ before zionism came to be as an actual possibility was indeed problematic. It had to somehow be justified through dedication to a religion, bolstered by the “irrational” anti-semitism of the goys, yet here we were without any religious faith, and the persecution element was just shaken up. Obviously, the religious schools had much less trouble here since they could extohl the “choseness’ aspect by alluding to the covenant without emabarrasment or excuses. For the religious, adding the need of sticking together to counter external persecution would just be icing on the cake, whereas for us, the secular, it was the entire cake, with religion as icing. Didn’t quite work – I can tell you that.

        Interestingly, your comment adds another layer to the debates about Atzmon. I believe it was the Jew ‘qua nation” that GA was seeking to reintroduce as the defining element of his definition of “Jewish-ness”.

        Also, Sin’s comment about “grafting” another element to zionism is interesting. makes me think of the jewish body politic as a plant where the grafting didn’t quite take. Hence the hysterical element we see around us in the zionist responses to all critiques. hence the need for perpetual Hasbara. Since I have this peculiar sense of human history as tied with linguistic developments (ie, in musical-thematic way), I find the similarity (as in rhyming) beween “Haskala” and “Hasbara” intriguing. As if the not-quite whole-hearted acceptance of the former ushered in the latter . The graft that didn’t quite take, producing a hybrid that does not thrive on its own without further, continuous manipulations.

    • ToivoS says:

      This is too much hokum. I really do not see that much difference between the racism that has grown to maturity under Zionist colonization as under British in Kenya, French in Algeria or Dutch descendents in S. Africa. Simply living as the colonial over-seer leads to racial supremacist world view. What are called some essence of Judaism are little more than idiosyncrasies of orthodox religious practices turned into a racist theology.

      • Danaa says:

        ToivoS – see American’s citation above, Sin Nombre’s comment and my response. I realize there is a temptation to simplify that whole “zionism” movement to just another strand of western colonialism. But it really isn’t that simple. For the same reasons that conflating Judaism (elements thereof) with racism bolstered by religious traditions are a vast over-simplification. Were it only that simple, we wouldn’t need the voluminous commentary on this blog and others like it. Were it that simple, there would be no need to put Atzmon in herem. I.e., the response to a book like he wrote would be more like “Dah” rather than “Gevalt!”.

        • MHughes976 says:

          It isn’t ‘just another’ ideology supporting a colonial or apartheid structure since its origins, development, detailed workings at this moment, atmosphere and mentality – and above all its moral defences – are so distinctive. This is not to say that it is any more justified than they are or that it had an originally good form that has been perverted. (I see from this morning’s Independent that the British Government is now exposed to huge compensation claims for torture in 1950s Kenya. We all have our sins.)

  7. radii says:

    israel – the thug state

  8. mondonut says:

    Following the conclusion of Friday prayers at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, hundreds of Arabs threw stones at security guards in the area. Police charged through the Mughrabi Gate in the Old City and fired stun grenades to disperse the angry mob.

    Unconfirmed Palestinian reports suggested that several people were lightly injured.

    Police officials, having restored calm, said that they would arrest some of the stone throwers in the coming days

    link to timesofisrael.com

    • Mndwss says:

      Will they arrest any of the Policemen that fiered stun grenades on occupied territory ?

      Was any of the occupiers stunned by the rocks.

      Did any of the rocks explode and stun the occupiers?

    • giladg says:

      Allison puts her own spin on it …”A large mob beat a group of Palestinians”.
      Another distortion.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      Times of Israel??? LOL. That’s like citing the KKK newletter for information on the Civil Rights movement.

      • mondonut says:

        Woody Tanaka says: Times of Israel??? LOL. That’s like citing the KKK newletter for information on the Civil Rights movement.
        ===============================

        Should I assume by that comment you are denying the event happened?

        “Following Friday prayers, hundreds of Arab worshipers hurl stones; none hurt; police disperse crowd using stun grenades.”

        link to jpost.com

    • bilal a says:

      The radicals are trying claim the Mosque as Jewish territory, hence the stone throwing:

      Tensions flared this week at the site after police arrested Israeli ultranationalists who tried to hold prayers at the compound revered by Jews as well as Muslims. REUTER

      link to trust.org

      Maybe the Zionists will start having wine tasting festivals in the Mosques compound, about time for another intifada I suppose.

    • ColinWright says:

      mondonut says: “Following the conclusion of Friday prayers at the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, hundreds of Arabs threw stones at security guards in the area…”

      Nothing to do with 140 Jewish thugs having first invaded al Aqsa and attacked Muslim worshipers while enjoying the protection of the Israeli police, of course. Right, donut?

      • mondonut says:

        ColinWright says: Nothing to do with 140 Jewish thugs having first invaded al Aqsa and attacked Muslim worshipers while enjoying the protection of the Israeli police, of course. Right, donut?
        =================================
        Nothing at all, unless you have something to back your claim – but of course, you do not. BTW, they were not thugs, they were not invading and they did not attack Muslim worshipers.

  9. bilal a says:

    In many Mosques in Morocco , you can see a low wooden bar at the entrance. These were there to prevent the French from entering with their horses into the Mosques. In Malaysia, the national Mosque central prayer hall is barred to non-Muslims, though they may view it. Like the Vatican dress policy, Muslims and non-Muslims not appropriately dressed wear a long tunic provided at the entrance .

    Friday is prayer day, Christians and Jews, or Muslims, entering the mosque in shorts, sleaveless tees, regardless of gender, break the sancity of the prayer hall on Jummah congregational prayer day. At the wailing wall, Rabbis request women to wear shawls in order to visit.

    Like Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Muslims, object to modesty violations in such a place. Most likely , visitors barged into the prayer hall , to demonstrate that they could, without the permission of Muslims, behaving inappropriately, and perhaps dressed immodestly, inciting verbal objections.

    But Israelis in groups of 100 or more, escorted by armed IDF soldiers, to them you dont make verbal objections.

  10. Jeff Klein says:

    That photo — and this story — should be reproduced and circulated far and wide among Jewish Americans, who are overwhelmingly secular and Liberal, with the simple question:

    Are these your people?

    • seafoid says:

      Considering only 27% of American Jews believe in G-d maybe the thugs are the equivalent of surrogate Jewish mothers for those in Erez America.

  11. Hamishe_Sabz says:

    Arabs riot on Temple Mount
    Because throwing stones isn’t a desecration of a holy place – but Jews peacefully walking around it is.

    • seafoid says:

      “Arabs riot on Temple Mount”

      Were they Bahraini or Omani ?
      Is Temple Mount anywhere near the Haram ash Sharif?

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “but Jews peacefully walking around it is.”

      The Jews on Al-Haram Al-Sharif are not there peacefully. They are there to extend their theft of Palestine to the Muslim holy areas. Stay off of their Sanctuary.

      • seafoid says:

        “Jews walking around peacefully”, backed up by 20 armed Israeli soldiers

        • mondonut says:

          seafoid says: “Jews walking around peacefully”, backed up by 20 armed Israeli soldiers
          =========================
          Why is the world would Jews walking around peacefully require an armed escort?

        • Dutch says:

          Because they’re a bunch of cowards, buddy. They don’t dare provoke others without their armed companions. By the way, what would happen if a large group of orthodox Muslims peacefully enters the Wailing Wall area, just to sniff up the atmosphere? No props, I assume?

        • gamal says:

          how about the about 10,000 who were evicted to make way for the plaza, could they return to the sites of their property, or would that interfere with Jews worshiping a bit of Roman masonry.

        • seafoid says:

          I dunno Mondonut. I see jews at airports in europe all the time and no sign of any soldiers. Maybe they follow the law.

        • mondonut says:

          seafoid says: I dunno Mondonut. I see jews at airports in europe all the time and no sign of any soldiers. Maybe they follow the law.
          ======================
          Is anyone at those airports throwing stones at the Jews that you see? Do they have any need of special protection or is EVERYONE following the law? Any riots in those airports after Friday afternoon prayers? Is anyone in those airports denying that Jewish people have the right to be there?

        • seafoid says:

          Mondo

          I haven’t seen any Jews claim ownership of the quiet prayer areas at any airport I’ve been at so maybe that’s connected.

  12. Kathleen says:

    Israeli violence committed against Palestinians “normalized” not even talked about in our MSM. Except a bit on Up with Chris Hayes.

  13. Mooser says:

    “Jewish Americans, who are overwhelmingly secular and Liberal…”

    Aw, thanks! After the tumult of this thread, to end with that comforting thought is comforting. Except, ouch “circulated far and wide… with the simple question”?
    Are you, sir, proposing to cause a schism (excuse the Yiddish) in the American Jewish Church? Must it really come to that?

    • Jeff Klein says:

      Schism in the . . . community, yes and necessary. Americans of Jewish descent have to decide: with the people in that photo or not. And saying NO doesn’t mean throwing grandma under the bus either. She would have been just as repelled.

    • libra says:

      Mooser: schism (excuse the Yiddish)

      No apologies necessary, Mooser. Admittedly with that “sch…” it does look Yiddish or at least of Germanic origin. But I’m sure Professor Ellis will be delighted to know that like the word “prophet” it is of Greek origin and entered the English language via a circuitous route that bypassed Germany entirely.

      late 14c., scisme, “dissention within the church,” from O.Fr. cisme “a cleft, split,” from L.L. schisma, from Gk. skhisma (gen. skhismatos) “division, cleft,” from stem of skhizein “to split”

      From Etymology Online

      • Jeff Klein says:

        Mooser, you are a hoot. I wish I could have thought of some appropriately ironic response to your citation of “schism” as a Yiddishism. Give it a shot, please. (No offense, libra!)

        Actually, the real Greek element in Hebrew/Yiddish is worth considering, if you happen to find yourself sitting in a synagogue, opposite the bema and maybe reading from one of those books of the Pentateuch . . .

        • Mooser says:

          So Jeff, you figure we will see Synagogues opening up with “a non-Zionist congregation” on their letter-boards. Temples which will thunder against Zionism and all its works from the pulpit? That will have nothing to do with Israel, or even call for it to be shunned or dismantled?
          I don’t think we’ve got what it takes to do that. A schism allows outsiders to look right into the heart of a religious community.

  14. piotr says:

    Exile is a never ending experience of bitterness and humiliation. You can make billions and still – are you a master of your own destiny? Can you beat up anyone?

    This is why Jews need their own country. As the forebears 3000 years ago were kicking ass, exterminating Amelek, slaughtering good goats and driving bad goats to the desert, now their descendants can re-enact their pre-mediaeval traditions.

    • ColinWright says:

      piotr says: “…This is why Jews need their own country. As the forebears 3000 years ago were kicking ass, exterminating Amelek, slaughtering good goats and driving bad goats to the desert, now their descendants can re-enact their pre-mediaeval traditions.”

      Why would the Palestinians want to do these things now?

  15. ColinWright says:

    “Israelis celebrating Sukkot beat Palestinians worshipers”

    One of the great things about Mondoweiss is that one learns all these neat things about Jewish tradition. All I knew about Sukkot until now was that it had something to do with a wooden structure and palm leaves.

  16. Sorry for the purely technical point. The incident cited and linked to occurred last august and not last april.

  17. bobsmith says:

    “Israelis celebrating Sukkot beat Palestinians worshipers” sounds almost like a new custom (“we shake lulavs” or “we eat chalah”).

  18. Bubba says:

    Guess that’s what happens when you have to much of that wine under the tent at Sukkot. Me and boys from SA (South Alabama) need to load up the ole’ pickemup truck with bricks, baseball bats and beer (made from winter wheat) and go join the party. Yahoo!!!

    • HemiFaulk says:

      you got the map to get from Palestine to north Birmingham₦

      • Bubba says:

        We’re goin’ the utter way, want to join us? We need another good right-hander. We have enough B cubed (brick, bats and beer). Good ole American know how–we know how to take and keep other peoples land and make it look legal. We even have the people in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California believing the Mexicans are the illegal ones (what a PR trick that one was). And the Native Americans, we gave them the Casinos. Maybe that is what you do with that little Palestinian problem; give them the Casino concession. BTW, Birmingham is not in SA (Mobile and South).

  19. subconscious says:

    RT clip & photos of police at the compound:
    link to youtube.com
    link to rt.com

  20. wes says:

    allison

    evidently you reported on the wrong incident-this was what really happened

    link to timesofisrael.com

    • ColinWright says:

      wes says: “allison

      evidently you reported on the wrong incident-this was what really happened

      link to timesofisrael.com”

      I’m sorry. I’m confused here. First you referred to ‘what really happened’ — and then you linked to Times of Israel.

  21. subconscious says:

    Speaking of the neighborly settlers & police:
    link to 972mag.com
    link to 972mag.com

  22. ColinWright says:

    In the picture, why do so many have their heads bowed?

  23. ColinWright says:

    Good ol’ Jodi…The NYT headlines their article on this as “New Clashes at Site in Jerusalem Holy to Both Muslims and Jews.”

    Notice the subtle transition to the notion that Al Aqsa is a ‘site holy to both Muslims and Jews’ that’s been going on of late. Why, pretty soon Ariel Sharon’s walkabout will seem like it was a pretty reasonable thing to do.

    Interestingly, the headline becomes decidedly less partisan with the insertion of only one letter. ‘Clashes at sites…’ would be a vast improvment.

    …or not, depending on whether your priority is reporting or propaganda.

    • MHughes976 says:

      There was something in Haaretz the other day about the ‘Temple Mount Faithful’ movement – there are apparently about ten organisations with similar names whose ultimate purpose is to reestablish the Jewish Temple. The report claimed that these groups are ‘moving into the mainstream’ and that many rabbis are withdrawing the traditional prohibition on setting foot, for fear that your foot may touch the Holy of Holies, in the Temple area. Elsewhere I saw Palestinian claims that Israeli archaeology in the area is intended to undermine the Mosque and cause its collapse.
      The dispute looks like sputtering on for a bit. I doubt if anyone’s ready just now for a massive religious confrontation. But the time must come when a Jewish State can no longer tolerate its principal monument’s being non-Jewish.

      • piotr says:

        ” But the time must come when a Jewish State can no longer tolerate its principal monument’s being non-Jewish.”

        Why? Because “Jewishness without the Temple” is incomplete? Calamity! No animal sacrifices, no Sanhedrin taking over the government (perhaps as a superior body like theologian’s councils in Iran). Sometimes “complete Jew” sounds like a “complete idiot”: not every completion is a positive thing.

        • MHughes976 says:

          I think that the full reestablishment of the Temple rituals is a long way off – no one’s really ready for it, not even remotely. Who would be High Priest? Who would be King? So for a long time at least we are talking pinpricks and minor provocations.
          I’m sure that there are other ways of being complete in Jewish faith. But the fact remains that this is a Jewish state and that the Temple site is more important as a monument than all the stables of Solomon and inscriptions of David piled up together.

        • ColinWright says:

          MHughes says: ” But the fact remains that this is a Jewish state and that the Temple site is more important as a monument than all the stables of Solomon and inscriptions of David piled up together.”

          Yes, but you see meantime most of the erstwhile Jews have converted to Islam, and now they’d rather have a mosque there — as I believe they’ve made clear.

          So that’s that, isn’t it?

      • ColinWright says:

        MHughes976 says: “The dispute looks like sputtering on for a bit. I doubt if anyone’s ready just now for a massive religious confrontation. But the time must come when a Jewish State can no longer tolerate its principal monument’s being non-Jewish.”

        Well, on the bright side, it’ll make it clearer what we’re looking at when Israel drops all these egalitarian, tolerant, democratic pretenses and just comes out of the closet.

        In fact, I’d say a ‘Zonist lib’ movement is called for. Get in touch with your inner Zionist. Find a victim and physically humiliate him. Take somebody’s property. Stone a child.

        Celebrate your inner Zionist! Discover who you really were all along.

  24. mcohen says:

    Colin
    Allison,story is straight out of a pal hasbie 101
    At least my link has an element of truth in it
    Do you understand now

    • Mooser says:

      The funny part is, if Hopmi and the rest had even the slightest understanding of how the internet works, they would cut off their hands rather than post here. But, no, they generate their own hits, and lots more hits in response. How can you ban people who so unselfishly drive up the one salient indicator of web sucess?

      Oh look at the “a pal hasbie 101″

      Palestinian Hasbara? Talk about projection!