At least four killed, dozens wounded, in Israeli shelling on Gaza

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Relatives of a Palestinian man killed in Israeli shelling console each other at a hospital morgue in Gaza City. (Photo: REUTERS/Mohammed Salem)

Israeli shelling on the Gaza Strip today has killed at least four people and injured between 30-40 people. Reports on Twitter say between 4 and 7 people have been killed so far.

From Maan News:

Israeli tank shells killed 4 Palestinians and wounded 30 in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, medics and witnesses said.

Ahmad al-Dardasawi, 18, and Muhammad Hararah, 17, were killed in Gaza City, and two unidentified men later died from injuries sustained in the attack.

At least 26 people were wounded in the shelling, with 10 said to be in a serious condition.

Several injuries came from Israeli shelling a mourning tent in the al-Shujaiyeh neighborhood near Gaza City.

Israel says the shelling was in response to an attack on a IDF jeep where four soldiers were injured by in an anti-tank missile. Haaretz reports that the military wing of the Popular Front For the Liberation of Palestine took responsibility for the attack. Ma’an quotes the the Popular Resistance Committees as saying the missile attack on Israel was a “revenge invoice” for the increase of Israeli attacks on Gaza as of late. These include the deaths earlier this week of a Ahmad Nabhani, who was shot dead approaching the Gaza wall on Monday, and Hamid Younis Abu Daqqa, a 13-year-old boy who was killed by Israeli machine gun fire during an incursion into Khan Younis on Thursday.

This is an unfolding story and we will try to update it as more confirmed information becomes available. For important background, see this post from Yousef Munayyer – Half the story: What @IDFSpokesperson leaves out about Gaza.

37 Responses

  1. pipistro
    November 10, 2012, 2:41 pm

    Provocation, reaction, disproportionate retaliation. Warning, it’s the same old trap, and now the Israeli warmongers are moving in a hurry. On the one hand, the PA circulated a draft resolution at UN in order to upgrade Palestine status as observer state, on the other hand, Hamas is getting recognition from all around the Arab world. Israel is scared. The (fake) issue of Iran nukes is cooling down a bit. Obama won the election. The risk, now, is the renewed search for a solution of the conflict, just while Israel hawks were on the way to ethnic-cleanse, little by little, the whole of the occupied territories. Warning! There’s another cast lead crime in sight.

    • Mondowise
      November 10, 2012, 4:58 pm

      boo hoo, izrael is scared….so they start murdering innocent CHILDREN, as always! just before today’s murder-mania they shot Hamid Younis Abu Daqqa in the chest (which takes precision aim and is thus deliberate/intentional murder). before Hamid….oh let’s see….HUNDREDS of innocent children bombed or gunned down in cold blood. and the blood letting by rage-crazed zionists continues…on and on and on.

      • pipistro
        November 10, 2012, 6:07 pm

        Anyway it’s deliberate. And it’s a crime.

        Protocol 1, additional to the Geneva Conventions, 1977, chapter III, art. 52, par. 1 e 3. “Civilian objects shall not be the object of attack or of reprisals. Civilian objects are all objects which are not military objectives as defined in paragraph 2 [...] “In case of doubt whether an object wich is normally dedicated to civilian purposes, such as a place of worship, a house or other dwelling or a school, is being used to make an effective contribution to military action, it shall be presumed no to be so used”.

        And we don’t need the Geneva Conventions to understand they deserve a new Nuremberg.

      • Annie Robbins
        November 11, 2012, 10:36 am

        pip, they’ve been bombing gaza throughout the night.

        Israel kills six in Gaza, threatens “escalation”

        link to english.al-akhbar.com

      • pipistro
        November 11, 2012, 10:55 am

        I fear escalation, unfortunately, is written in the facts.
        Upcoming Israeli election, update of the Palestine status at the UN, while a “Hamas State” is on its way. Some EU states might reconsider their attitude, then BDS etc.
        The “mad dog” is more and more a scared wild beast into a corner…

      • Miura
        November 11, 2012, 4:36 pm

        boo hoo, izrael is scared…so they start murdering innocent CHILDREN, as always!

        Reminds me of this George Carlin clip:

        We left a few women and children alive in Vietnam and we haven’t felt good about ourselves since.

        Although, in the case of Israel there is the “Shooting and Crying” genre to contend with also.

        As for railways, a video of then state of the art trains operating at the Jerusalem Railway Station in 1896 (in some parts of the world, 100+ year old locomotives are still hauling heavy loads incidentally) when Theodor Herzl was penning his fantasy of “spiriting away the penniless population” to lay the foundations of the “State of the Jews” (which is quaintly translated into English as the “Jewish State”).

    • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
      November 11, 2012, 9:14 am

      I’d like to see how one would measure generally or exemplify specifically a proportionate response by an attack by either side. “Disproportionate” is a term that’s been thrown around for years as an accusation, but I’d like to see how “proportionate” is defined widely enough so that most are in agreement about it. Is it a legal definition? Who wrote it? Who accepts it?

      • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
        November 11, 2012, 9:14 am

        oops double post

      • pipistro
        November 11, 2012, 9:40 am

        Some say doctrine of proportionality originated with the 1907 Hague Conventions. I’d look also at article 49, 50, 51 in the International Law Commission’s Draft about State Responsibility. [1] You can somewhat also refer to the 1977 Additional Protocols of the Geneva Conventions (e.g. article 57). [2] and generally about illegally causing unnecessary suffering for civilians. Moreover the principle is anyway known as customary international law.
        (Otherwise, should we say disproportionality is internationally legal?)

        [1] link to untreaty.un.org

        [2] link to icrc.org

      • Annie Robbins
        November 11, 2012, 10:22 am

        Some say doctrine of proportionality originated with the 1907 Hague Conventions

        not the way israel uses it, then ‘some’ would merely be trying to buttress/justify new ‘ethics’ trumped up at tel aviv university to justify israel’s war crimes..link to opendemocracy.net

        lots of supporting embeds at the link

        Lawfare in Gaza: legislative attack:

        The technologies of destruction

        Yotam Feldman, in research conducted for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz, has exposed an unprecedented level of involvement of international-law experts during the Gaza attack in advising military personnel on procedures, targets and operational alternatives (see Yotam Feldman & Uri Blau, “Consent and advise”, Ha’aretz, 5 February 2009). One of the officers in the international-law unit of the Israeli military put it to Feldman in this way: “our goal was not to fetter the army, but to give it the tools to win in a lawful manner.”

        Israeli military spokespeople also seemed to have been trained in explaining the operation with the language of international humanitarian law. They routinely used such legal terms as “distinction” (between civilians and combatants) and “proportionality” (between civilians killed and military objectives), thus describing targets as “legitimate” and civilian deaths as “unintended” or “collateral”.

        It also seemed as if the adjective “humanitarian” has become the default in the context of explaining the various aspects of the attack. To the familiar “humanitarian corridors” (in space) and “humanitarian ceasefires” (in time), were now added “humanitarian munitions” (of smaller kill-ratios), and a newly designated “minister of humanitarian affairs” operating from the “office for humanitarian co-ordination” in a military base near Tel Aviv. This figure – Isaac Herzog, Israel’s “Minister of Welfare and Social Services, the Diaspora, Society, and the Fight Against Antisemitism” – was in charge both of “humanitarian coordination” and of “explaining Israel’s reasons and legal position regarding the inflicted damage”.

        This appeal to international humanitarian law could easily be dismissed as cynical propaganda. Most human-rights groups have also correctly and usefully pointed out that IHL was either not properly observed in Gaza in the sense that it was used too permissively, or that legal directives didn’t make it from the military lawyers in their Tel Aviv headquarters to the pilots and the soldiers in the field. Both reactions, however, demonstrate faith in international law in a way that has become problematic in the age of lawfare, when to enter this arena of the law and talking in its name might itself be the problem.

        This can be illustrated by reference to Israel’s experience of its Lebanon campaign of July-August 2006. Israel realised then that it could not stop rocket-fire from Hizbollah and equivalent militias via the traditional military approach of “counterinsurgency”. The lesson is reflected in the contemporary Israeli military doctrine (as framed by the Institute for National Security Studies) that includes plans to punish rocket-fire with “a disproportionate strike at the heart of the enemy’s weak spot, in which efforts to hurt launch capability are secondary”.

        The chief of northern command, Gadi Eisenkot, explains what this means: “we will wield disproportionate power against every village from which shots are fired on Israel, and cause immense damage and destruction… This is not a suggestion. This is a plan that has already been authorised” (see Amos Harel, “IDF plans to use disproportionate force in next war”, Ha’aretz, 5 October 2008). In other words: the breach of international law’s principle of “proportionality” is used here as a military threat. It is this clear violation of the law that the Israeli military’s international-law experts try to legalise.

      • marc b.
        November 11, 2012, 11:18 am

        annie, the issue of proportionality is an important legal question, but i think it’s often a diversion in the case of israeli conduct. although israel is often able to flip the narrative in the press, more often than not (i believe i read recently that 80-plus% of strikes/military initiatives) are instigated by the IDF/IAF. in other words, the israelis are the aggressors, not responding defensively.

      • seafoid
        November 11, 2012, 2:49 pm

        Israel is trying to rewrite international law in Gaza but it’s like the US use of drones. Fine when you get away with it but sooner or later the tables will be turned and Americans or Jews will be the ones in the firing line. International law is the best protector of human rights.

  2. amigo
    November 10, 2012, 5:32 pm

    Israel is getting desperate for a diversion.

    Israel cannot exist in a peaceful surrounding.

    Israel needs war to cover the vile occupation and illegal expansion.

    Hence it continues it,s criminal attacks on Palestinians to provoke a response.

    The Zionist enterprise ranks up there with the worst of the criminal nations , past present.

  3. seafoid
    November 10, 2012, 6:18 pm

    Ha’aretz report that an Israeli army vehicle was hit by an anti tank missile. Is this BS ?

    • dimadok
      November 10, 2012, 10:11 pm

      4 IDF soldiers wounded, two of them critically. That’s no BS to you.

      • seafoid
        November 11, 2012, 1:23 pm

        It’s appalling that Jewish soldiers get hurt for what they are doing to Gaza. The diet is for the Gazans themselves and the white phosphorous is fired in a spirit of love and charity.

    • thankgodimatheist
      November 11, 2012, 4:34 am

      “Ha’aretz report that an Israeli army vehicle was hit by an anti tank missile. Is this BS ?”
      Saw a couple of posts (by Palestinians) on Facebook today talking about the anti-tank Kornet missile that some Palestinian resistance groups are in possession now.

  4. Kathleen
    November 10, 2012, 8:20 pm

    Enough. We know Rachel Maddow will not be covering this story.

    • Citizen
      November 11, 2012, 11:23 am

      Fox is covering it, and, as is their way of couching a news blurb anytime there’s an I-P flair up, Israel is (merely) reacting to Palestinian aggression.

  5. talknic
    November 11, 2012, 3:02 am

    Lemme get this right. Someone from Gaza strikes the Occupying Military. Instead of immediately calling in air support, the IDF waits until after the militants have laid down their arms, dispersed, gone home to their families

  6. mcohen
    November 11, 2012, 3:57 am

    its too late baby its too late…..firing rockets ,attacks in the sinai,what next-the egyptians are worried so why not stir things up

    this article was written in july

    Transport Minister Yisrael Katz and China’s Minister of Transport Li Shenglin signed the memorandum of understanding in Beijing.

    by Rhonda Spivak, July 11, 2012

    The biggest piece of news that emerged from Israel this past week (July 3) is one you may have heard nothing about–but it is a game changer in terms of elevating Israel’s economic/strategic position in the Middle East.

    For decades, Egypt has been able to potentially isolate Israeli and strangle trade to the Israeli posts of Ashdod and Haifa by threatening to/ and or closing the Suez Canal to marine traffic.

    But this is about to change. Last week, as reported in the Globes, Israel and China signed historic cooperation agreements to build the Eilat railway, linking the port of Eilat to the ports of Ashdod and Haifa. This will enable cargo boats to dock at Eilat, bypass the Suez Canal altogether and then the cargo will travel by high speed rail to the port of Ashdod, or Haifa–this route will be far faster than the same boat having to reach the Mediterranean through the Suez canal. Once cargo reaches Ashdod or Haifa it can travel from there onwards to the European mainland.

    This means that if ever the Egyptian government in the future tried to block Israeli access to the Suez Canal, the Israeli economy will not miss a beat.

    • piotr
      November 11, 2012, 9:57 am

      Wow! Jews could not build a railroad, but luckily, they will get aid from a more civilized country? (Americans are very bad at passenger railroads, what passes as “express train” looks marvelous, shakes terribly and runs rather slowly, but I though that freight railroad are OK. Thanks Almighty for the Chinese. Actually, the Chinese were building the first transcontinental railroads in USA.)

      • Citizen
        November 11, 2012, 11:27 am

        Well, the chinese coolies built from the west, the irish coolies from the east, to build the first US transcontinental railroad.

      • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
        November 11, 2012, 2:26 pm

        Why mention “Jews”?

      • seafoid
        November 11, 2012, 4:38 pm

        Apparently Israel has 2 chief rabbis so there must some Jews living there.

      • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
        November 12, 2012, 10:12 pm

        “Jews can’t build a railway”? That doesn’t sound right. I wish Pitor would explain that.

    • amigo
      November 11, 2012, 10:14 am

      “But this is about to change. Last week, as reported in the Globes, Israel and China signed historic cooperation agreements to build the Eilat railway, linking the port of Eilat to the ports of Ashdod and Haifa. “mcohen

      So Israel is unable to build it,s own Railways.

      So they are now cavorting with one of the Worlds leading Human Rights abusers.

      But on mature reflection, it sounds like a perfect match.

      • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
        November 11, 2012, 2:29 pm

        Israel is “unable to build it’s own railways”? Why do you think so and why do you think it’s important?

      • piotr
        November 13, 2012, 11:33 pm

        I was snarky. Of course, Israel has railroads built by the Turks who did not need any connection to Eilat, and building new railroad indeed requires some engineering expertise that Israel could not develop (damn those Turks!). The usual upbeat story from Israel is about some marvelous inventions that other countries receive with gratitude like cellphones, drones, drip irrigation or skunk water. This story was about buying. Chinese will sell a railroad to transport goods from China. (By the way, why send cargo by high speed rail? 20 mile per hour trains are much more energy efficient etc. Learn from Americans!)

        As far as external threats are concerned, the chief threats I have read about are (a) the Persians, (b) Persian proxies, (c) delegitimizers. Suddenly, we read about solving a threat that we never read about! Before Ha’aretz introduced its paywall, I read commentaries about what is needed from the new Chief of Staff. Apparently, skills comparable to Alexander of Macedon. Israels dreams of new Gaugamela. Currently, IDF is a glorified escort service for the settlers, but the country dreams of something larger.

        But what with the delegitimizers, or other threats that no one dares to mention?

    • seafoid
      November 11, 2012, 1:25 pm

      “This means that if ever the Egyptian government in the future tried to block Israeli access to the Suez Canal, the Israeli economy will not miss a beat.”

      Assuming the railway is never bombed…

      • ParkSlopeSingleGuy
        November 11, 2012, 2:26 pm

        Do you expect it to be bombed?

      • seafoid
        November 11, 2012, 4:39 pm

        I think Israel will lose the last war, yes.

  7. amigo
    November 11, 2012, 8:29 am

    Mathew,

    Amen

  8. giladg
    November 11, 2012, 10:04 am

    When you refrain from reporting on violent action initiated by Palestinians in Gaza, you are well on the road to insure that you become irrelevant.

    • Cliff
      November 11, 2012, 3:34 pm

      The violence in Gaza is reported on and in the bigger picture/history of the conflict it is a DROP in the bucket.

      Whereas Israel’s violence is a friggin’ tsunami. We have the statistics and the daily reports.

      You have nothing but religious fanaticism and sophistry.

      And hopefully now with the comment policy upgraded, Phil Weiss and Adam Horowitz will keep to their promise and only permit you to spew forth the latter.

    • seafoid
      November 11, 2012, 4:41 pm

      What is the latest score now gilad? 2500 to 4 or something. How can everything be a Palestinian provocation? Who is running the siege ?

      Is Israel supposed to be a regular country that has its soldiers targeted for no reason?

      Do you think we all came down in the last shower?

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