As Obama visits Ramallah, Palestinians vent anger over US policy and political prisoners

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A Palestinian demonstrator holds up a poster against President Obama outside the Palestinian Authority’s compound as police block the road (Photo: Alex Kane/Mondoweiss)

Palestinian protesters in Ramallah vented their anger at Barack Obama today as about 200 demonstrators took to the streets to urge Obama to get out of Palestine. But the protest was relatively small, reflecting Palestinian disillusionment with the U.S. and with the moribund peace process. The action was well contained by Western-trained and financed Palestinian security forces as the president met with Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas.

“Oh Obama, out, out,” chanted the small group of Palestinian protesters in Arabic, as they headed from the center of Ramallah to as close to Abbas’ compound as they could get. They were met by rows and rows of Palestinian police officers, who successfully held back the protesters from advancing any closer to the Muqata, the Arabic name for the PA’s compound. Small scuffles broke out as the police pushed back the demonstrators, who yelled at the security forces in response.

The Palestinian protesters, who joined a demonstration that was called for by some of the Palestinian political factions, also chanted about their lack of free access to Jerusalem. Factions represented included Fatah, Hamas and the leftist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and were joined by Palestinian youth. Demonstrators also held up posters affirming their right to return, and one sign read: “I want to see my father’s village.” Another sign in English read: “USA is not a fair sponsor for any political process in the Middle East.”

“We need change,” said demonstrator Ibraheem Abdel Jawad, a young protester affiliated with the Palestinian Center for Peace and Democracy. “My message to Obama is: stop supporting Israel and stop the conflict.”

Palestinian Authority security forces put the area near the Muqata, the site of the authority’s offices, under tight security. As early as 9:00 am, two hours before Obama and Abbas were scheduled to meet, security forces patrolled outside the compound and asked for identification from anyone who was walking near it.

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Western-trained and armed PA security forces were out in full force today.
(Photo: Alex Kane/Mondoweiss)

Inside the heavily guarded compound, Obama met with Abbas, as well as PA Prime Minister Salam Fayyad, Foreign Affairs Minister Riyad al-Malki and other top PA officials, according to the Ma’an News Agency. Obama mentioned settlements at his press conference with Abbas for the first time on his trip to Israel/Palestine, but did not demand a halt to them. While he said settlements are an important issue to resolve, he emphasized that the PA and Israel should return to direct negotiations, a plan that Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu signaled support for yesterday. Obama also signaled support for “peaceful protests” in Palestinian villages during his press conference with Abbas–the same protests that are repressed by U.S.-made tear gas.

“We do not consider continued settlement activity to be constructive, to be appropriate, to be something that can advance the cause of peace,” said President Obama at the PA compound. He said that the occupation delivers “indignities” to Palestinians and that “Palestinians deserve a state of their own.” He also condemned rocket fire from Gaza, hours after at least two rockets landed in the south of Israel. The PA likewise condemned the rockets from Gaza.

And in his speech to Israeli youth this afternoon, he briefly condemned settler violence and said that “neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer.” Still, as the Palestine Center’s Yousef Munayyer said, his “speech suggests that President Obama will do little more than pay lip service to an outcome he refuses to put the muscle of his office behind.”

Abbas voiced strong opposition to illegal Israeli settlements as well at his appearance with Obama. “Everybody views settlements not only as a hurdle, but more than a hurdle to a two-state solution,” said the PA president. “We are asking for nothing outside the international legitimacy. It is the responsibility of the Israeli government to halt settlement activities so we can at least speak.”

The meeting with Obama came as a report in the New York Times revealed that Abbas was so desperate to return to negotiations that he was prepared to allow Netanyahu to pledge to him “secretly that he will stop settlement activities during the period of negotiations.” But any freeze in settlements in Israel would likely cause great consternation within Netanyahu’s coalition, which is dominated by supporters of expanding the illegal West Bank settlements. And Palestinians are largely fed up with a “peace process” that has delivered nothing but Israeli settlement expansion.

The issue of Palestinian prisoners was given a passing mention during Obama’s meeting with Abbas. But it is an issue that looms large for most Palestinians, unites Palestinian society and has galvanized popular protests. The demonstrators in Ramallah had the issue of Palestinian prisoners clearly on their minds, as chants about the prisoners were shouted and a poster of Marwan Barghouti, an imprisoned Palestinian leader, was held up high. 

President Obama was given a letter from Palestinian prisoners’ families urging him to intervene on the prisoner issue, and particularly on behalf of the hunger striker Samer Issawi, according to Ma’an. Issawi, who was released as part of the Gilad Shalit deal and re-arrested nine months later, has been on hunger strike for 232 days in protest of “his re-arrest and re-trial based on secret information,” according to the Palestinian prisoner rights’ organization Addameer.

At around noon, clashes between the Israeli army and about 100 Palestinian protesters in support of Issawi broke out near Ofer Prison, though Issawi was reportedly too sick to attend his scheduled military hearing there, which has been pushed back to April. ”The military court in Ofer has scheduled three further hearings for Samer Issawi in May, when Israeli intelligence will present secret information about Issawi’s case. Neither Issawi nor his lawyer are allowed at these hearings,” Ma’an reported earlier today.

At the clashes, flags representing the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), a leftist political faction, flew high. Issawi is a member of the DFLP.

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The Israeli army fired tear gas as protesters gathered in support of hunger striker Samer Issawi (Photo: Alex Kane/Mondoweiss)

Israeli soldiers on a hill launched tear gas round after tear gas round as young Palestinians threw rocks and burned tires. Rubber bullets were fired by the Israeli military, which injured several protesters. The clashes went on for several hours.

But the frequent clashes with the Israeli military are a part of life in Palestine that Obama did not speak about, or see. 

About Alex Kane

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  1. German Lefty says:

    “NOW with Alex Wagner” on the two-state solution:
    link to video.msnbc.msn.com

  2. Citizen says:

    Wouldn’t we all like to be the proverbial fly on the wall when Obama thinks about the plight of the Palestinians? Does he really think the daughters of Palestine are less worthy of empathy than the daughters of Israel, so much he never mentioned such an equation with his own daughters asleep in their beds? What does it mean for America that he makes his empathy public for Israeli kids, but not native Palestinian kids? What does this say about Obama? Same question re the death of that kid in Florida, where Obama publicly identified with the black kid, not the brown but not black young adult? And, remember the other episode, where Obama ended up having beer?

    • tokyobk says:

      “Talking to them, they weren’t that different from my daughters, they weren’t that different from your daughters or sons,” he said.
      “I honestly believe that if any Israeli parent sat down with these kids, they’d say, ‘I want these kids to succeed, I want them to prosper, I want them to have opportunities just like my kids do,’” he added to applause.

      • Cliff says:

        Comments in randomly chosen articles on Haartez, 972+, YNet and the resident Zionist trolls on Mondoweiss (I just Google, and then look for the newest articles on each website):

        Racist incitement by Israeli public figures doubled in 2012, study shows – Haaretz
        According to a new report from the Coalition Against Racism in Israel, there were 106 cases of high profile racist statements last year, compared with 59 such cases the year before.

        link to haaretz.com

        Comments exerpt:

        213
        simple solution is in the hands of the palestinians
        By commonsense 18 Mar 201305:54PM
        accept peace and these tensions which are the result of your decades-long terrorist menace will go away

        How long do you think Israeli public will stay
        By Dan 18 Mar 201303:53PM
        friendly to a people(palestinians) who year after year show their hatered toward Jewish People. Palestinians will get in return what they preach in schools and mosques….

        Four Israeli teens charged with attacking Arab worker on Tel Aviv promenade

        link to haaretz.com

        Comments excerpt:

        observation
        By potobac 13 Mar 201305:50AM
        He attacked them and his injuries were caused by their defending themselves.To claim otherwise is a blood libel.

        Palestinians greet Obama with popular resistance; army arrests dozens
        After several days of small-scale demonstrations ahead of Obama’s visit, Palestinians organized two larger events Wednesday morning as the American president landed at Ben-Gurion Airport.

        link to 972mag.com

        Comments excerpt:

        XYZ
        Wednesday
        March 20, 2013

        Yes, the best way to get someone important to like you is to curse him and carry out hostile demonstrations against him. When Pope John Paul II visited the mosques on the Temple Mount, the qadi there harangued him, demanding an apology for the crusades (the Pope could have demanded an apology for the Muslim conquest of the country which was under Christian rule 400 years earlier and for the Muslim conquest of Christian Constantinople lin 1453). A member of the Pope’s entourage stated that here was a chance for the Palestinians to make their case to a world-wide audience but they blew it. I see nothing has changed.

        Rsgengland
        Wednesday
        March 20, 2013

        This article uses every cliche’ in the non-violent [stones kill, but in your parlance they are ok] anti-Israel agenda and discourse.
        There is no comparison to the American Civil Rights Movement.
        American Blacks fought for political equality.
        Palestinians fight for the destruction of Israel.
        Please let the Palestinians cause lots of disruption during President Obama’s visit, so that he can see their true colors.

        The Trespasser
        Thursday
        March 21, 2013

        Palestinians has displayed their unconditional hatred towards USA more than once.

        Only an idiot would befried people who hate his country – and his race, by the way.

        Actually, I’ll just stop here.

  3. RE: “[T]he protest was relatively small, reflecting Palestinian disillusionment with the U.S. and with the moribund peace process. The action was well contained by Western-trained and financed Palestinian security forces . . .~ Alex Kane

    MY COMMENT: These “Western-trained and financed Palestinian security forces” are considered by some Palestinians to be collaborators with the Israel’s occupation.

    FROM WIKIPEDIA ["United States security assistance to the Palestinian National Authority"]

    . . . When the Israeli Air Force began their bombing campaign of Gaza in late December 2008, the NSF [the Palestinian National Security Forces] 3rd Special Battalion was disbursed throughout the West Bank to assist other PA security forces in maintaining order and preventing demonstrations from becoming uncontrollable. The USSC, Israel, and the PA regarded the results of this deployment to be successful because West Bank violence did not escalate during the month-long Israeli offensive.[64] Lt. Gen. Dayton suggested in his 2009 policy speech that the PA response during Operation Cast Lead prevented a third intifada by using “a measured and disciplined approach to the popular unrest” and by keeping demonstrators away from Israelis. In his words “the prospect of order trumped the prospect of chaos.”[57] Journalist Nathan Thrall characterized the same event as the most damaging to the Palestinian security forces’ reputation, as the harsh reaction to protests and to Hamas sympathizers made the PASF seem like collaborators with the Israeli operation. . .

    SOURCE – link to en.wikipedia.org

    • Avi_G. says:

      The PA is no different than any puppet regime appointed by any colonial power in the history of mankind. Think of the Vichy government during WWII.

      • W.Jones says:

        It’s different, but there’s similarities. One difference is that the Israeli gov’t sometimes opposes the PA, and has witheld funds to pressure it. It may be more comparable to some Indian tribes during the suppression of the Native Americans. The Natives were outgunned and were pushed into a whole range of policies, from some like the Sioux on one hand, to allies of the Confederates and British fighting the Union and colonists, respectively, to allies of Cortes (some of whom allied with Cortes due to the Aztecs’ ferocity).

        As a governing force of a suppressed native people, the PA is somewhere on this range I think- not a collaborationist, but not a complete opponent either (as it accepts the two state solution idea).

        Peace.

  4. Kathleen says:

    Two very different perspectives on Obama’s trip to Israel and Palestine
    Why Obama’s Israel Trip Is One Big Mistake
    Netanyahu insults the president, backed Romney, and hasn’t moved the peace process. No White House should reward behavior like that, not even from an ally.
    link to slate.com

    Obama’s Israel Speech: President Calls On Israel To Reverse ‘Undertow Of Isolation’
    link to huffingtonpost.com

    • seafoid says:

      “President Calls On Israel To Reverse ‘Undertow Of Isolation’’

      HuffPo will never go near the sad reality- Israeli society is engineered to deliver maximum resources for the settlers and the time to change course was 40 years ago. Even if by some miracle some transformative leader took over Israel, the rot goes far too deep for the situation to be retrieved in time. And expecting Israeli Jews or the Diaspora to fix the mess is deluded. Israeli policy is executed in millions of small actions caried out every day by millions of Israelis.

      Zionist storytelling says that this is the culmination of 2000 years of longing but the world doesn’t tolerate fairytales indefinitely.

    • chet says:

      M J Rosenberg’s (very) positive take on the Obama speech -

      Obama in Jerusalem: No Big Surprises But Mission Accomplished

      The second day of President Barack Obama’s visit to the Middle East is shaping up as very different from the first.

      Yesterday was a love-fest with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. During their joint press conference, each of the two leaders tried to outdo the other with jokes and witticisms demonstrating that they like each other and that Obama loves everything about Israel. Obama even spoke in Hebrew at several points. In short, yesterday was a party and Obama seemed to be having the time of his life.

      The party ended in Ramallah. Maybe it was his view of the separation wall from his helicopter or maybe the fact that he was away from the Israelis but the face he presented at President Mahmoud Abbas’ welcoming ceremony was utterly different. He looked miserable. Was it because he just didn’t want to be there or because he is ashamed that his administration has decided to parrot the Israeli line on pretty much everything? No matter the reason, he seemed sad and his words were halting.

      He didn’t offer the Palestinians much of anything though, other than the stricken look on his face. Yet, there were signs that the times are changing. He repeatedly referred to a Palestinian state, using the strongest formulation for that concept, “State of Palestine.” (Of course, he knows that his administration stood with Israel against any UN recognition of such an entity last year.) Nonetheless, his references to Palestinian statehood were utterly unambiguous and clear.

      And, in words that must have shook Netanyahu, Obama referred to “the moral force of nonviolence” to resist the occupation. Coming out of left field, this was probably an indication that Obama read The New York Times magazine cover story on non-violent resistance in the West Bank by Ben Ehrenreich. Obama compared the Palestinian struggle to the civil rights movement in America, invoking his own daughters as beneficiaries of that struggle. This presidential encouragement of the one form of protest that Israeli officials fear most as threatening their hold on the West Bank was significant. It is easy to imagine Palestinian protesters now marching against the settlements, waving photos of Obama along with his words endorsing non-violent resistance’s “moral force.”

      On specifics, though, it was all boilerplate. Asked at his press conference about settlement expansion, Obama made clear that he opposed it but also that he did not accept the Palestinian view that it should halt during the course of negotiations. Obama, like Netanyahu, demands unconditional negotiations which, in reality, means that Palestinians be willing to negotiate while Israel gobbles up more of the land. Abbas made clear in response that he wasn’t having it.

      Upon returning to Jerusalem, Obama delivered his speech to Israeli students at the Jerusalem Convention Center. It was mostly standard stuff (lots of praise for Israel, Zionism, empathy over Jewish suffering, etc.) but also included repeated and emphatic calls for peace and the establishment of a Palestinian state. The most significant part came when Obama referred to the Palestinians’ right to justice, specifically referencing settler violence that goes unpunished.
      But the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and justice must also be recognized. Put yourself in their shoes – look at the world through their eyes. It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of her own, and lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements of her parents every single day. It is not just when settler violence against Palestinians goes unpunished. It is not right to prevent Palestinians from farming their lands; to restrict a student’s ability to move around the West Bank; or to displace Palestinian families from their home. Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer. Just as Israelis built a state in their homeland, Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.
      I don’t think any president previously has used the language of justice in discussing Palestinian rights, which is, of course, how Palestinians rightly see it.

      It is telling that this part of the speech was met with prolonged applause. In fact, every reference to Palestinian statehood was received with the kind of ovation both AIPAC and the United States Congress reserve for bashing Palestinians, not for discussing their rights. Although many will dismiss the Jerusalem speech as milquetoast, no one would say that had Obama delivered it in Washington, where only pro-Likud pieties are permitted. That might be considered ironic if we weren’t all accustomed to it by now.

      The lobby does not control the discourse in Israel. It does here. But that is no reason to downplay the significance of Obama’s unequivocal endorsement of a “State of Palestine” and justice for the Palestinian people as prerequisites for security for Israel.

      Obama accomplished what he had to. He reached over Netanyahu’s head and spoke directly to the Israeli people, explaining why peace is in their own best interest and why justice for the Palestinians cannot be denied. And he was cheered. Loudly.

      When negotiations begin, and I am optimistic that they will, the capital he earned today will be viewed as a smart investment indeed.

      • kalithea says:

        Oh Lord! THERE IS NO TWO-STATE SOLUTION! This whole exercise in Obamahope is based on a delusional quest. Whatever hopey words Obama used are based on a FALSE PREMISE. “When negotiations begin…” OY! You mean more endless talk, agaiiiiiiin??? I’m not Palestinian and I’m fed up with the talk! Based on what: Swiss cheese sandwiched between ETHNIC CLEANSING?

        Talk and negotiations represents more pain and suffering for Palestinians. Change means accepting REALITY, not clinging to the failed past. Reality is dictating where this is going, and not the evaporated two-state solution! The reality IS that there are close to ONE MILLION SETTLERS on Palestinian land and a crime of ETHNIC CLEANSING is taking place against millions of Palestinians! That’s the REALITY! That’s the point of departure for any progress and until all parties accept the facts, accept this reality and move toward justice, this is going nowhere but towards disaster!!! Obama-NOBAMA and his hopey-dopey, delusional message that is too little too late to make a difference!

        I can’t believe people who have more than half a brain are falling for it!

      • Citizen says:

        @ chet

        In his speech to the Israeli students he said:
        “I think about children like Osher Twito, who I met in Sderot – children, the same age as my own daughters, who went to bed at night fearful that a rocket would land in their bedroom simply because of who they are and where they live.
        “That’s why we have made it clear, time and again, that Israel cannot accept rocket attacks from Gaza … and that’s why Israel has a right to expect Hamas to renounce violence and recognize Israel’s right to exist.”
        (We’ve heard all this from Obama here in USA, but, as Rosenberg points out, we have not heard here what he told those Israeli students next:)

        Announcing he was going “off script” the US President described his meeting on Thursday with a group of young Palestinians who “weren’t that different from my daughters, they weren’t that different from your daughters or sons”.
        To whistles and applause he said:
        “I honestly believe if any Israeli parent sat down with those kids they would say I want these kids to succeed, I want them to have opportunities just like my kids do.”
        In the context of a rapidly evolving Arab world, in which dictators had been overthrown by popular uprisings, Israel could no longer seek peace with autocratic governments, Mr Obama said, noting that Arab states must also change.
        “The days when they could condemn Israel to distract their people from a lack of opportunity are over. Now is the time for the Arab world to take steps toward normalized relations with Israel.”

        • Kathleen says:

          To whistles and applause he said:
          “I honestly believe if any Israeli parent sat down with those kids they would say I want these kids to succeed, I want them to have opportunities just like my kids do.”

          Max Blumenthal could go around asking Israeli parents that question. I put my money on that most Israeli parents would not say anything of the kind. And we know what the violent, arrogant settlers would say.

      • seafoid says:

        It was an okay speech. He did mention Palestinian rights. Chemi Shalyev thought he dissed Netanyahu. But he didn’t bring a stick.
        That was the failure. He isn’t going to do anything.

        I wonder how much lower respect for America can go in the region.
        Hypocrisy doesn’t even begin to describe the problem.

      • kalithea says:

        Why the speech cannot be believed, because it’s totally delusional, patronizing to Palestinians, indulging crimes and must be condemned for its disingenuousness:

        “Of course, Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with anyone who is dedicated to its destruction.”

        First of all, Obama is off his rocker and totally disingenuous bringing up this hasbara meme. Secondly, it’s delusional to even imagine removing close to a million rabid settlers from the West Bank and creating a state out of evaporated land! Palestinians are not fools!

        An honest person would instead state: Can Palestinians be expected to negotiate while they’re being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED?

        “But the Palestinian people’s right to self-determination and justice must also be recognized. Put yourself in their shoes – look at the world through their eyes. It is not fair that a Palestinian child cannot grow up in a state of her own, and lives with the presence of a foreign army that controls the movements of her parents every single day. It is not just when settler violence against Palestinians goes unpunished. It is not right to prevent Palestinians from farming their lands; to restrict a student’s ability to move around the West Bank; or to displace Palestinian families from their home. Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer. Just as Israelis built a state in their homeland, Palestinians have a right to be a free people in their own land.”

        First he says: “Put yourself in their shoes…” – Is Obama encouraging an attitude of empathy and honesty in this speech? Let’s examine this question:

        1. It is not “fair”….(blah-blah) FAIR??? What if a Zionist child was in this predicament would he use the euphemism faiiiiiiiiiiiir??? Fair plays down the injustice.
        2. “It is not just…settler violence goes unpunished” That’s it? He should have stated that the Law in Israel is RACIST and unequal.
        3. “It is not right…to displace Palestinians from their home” First of all, call it by it’s real name; this is not “displacement”; it’s an overt campaign of ETHNIC CLEANSING. And again he uses a euphemism to downplay the seriousness of this crime: It is not right. It’s a crime in anyone’s rule of law book! And if it were happening to Zionists there would be hell to pay!
        4. “Neither occupation nor expulsion is the answer” It’s not expulsion; it’s ETHNIC CLEANSING!

        So by downplaying the truth and using euphemisms for what would be considered blatant crimes if they were happening against Jews, this is encouraging Zionist youth to put themselves in Palestinians’ shoes and this is a positive speech for Palestinians???

        Oh please! No Zionist subjected to what is happening to Palestinians would tolerate this bullshet speech!

        “Sometimes, the greatest miracle is recognizing that the world can change. After all, that is a lesson that the world learned from the Jewish people.”

        Really??? And what lesson did the world learn from a people who occupied someone else’s land and cleansed them through acts of violence and are still cleansing them from their land and systematically killing them?

        Obama delusional hopey-dopey-changey claptrap at its finest.

    • jimmy says:

      you know kathleen…I’ve said twice on here that obama was being played for a fool…on mondoweiss..by the lobby….

      one didnt even get posted…the other today was up for a while but has since been removed..

      and I even have a monthly contribute going…

      wth ehhh

  5. Avi_G. says:

    As a so-called peace broker in this impasse, the United States has as much clout as Palau.

    • W.Jones says:

      Avi, why do you say “so called”? By guaranteeing one cultural group’s military domination, hasn’t it broken peace?

    • Kathleen says:

      Avi that is so funny. But last time I checked Palau was not giving any country 3 billion a year cash and then several million more in kind. If the U.S. threatened to pull that rug out from underneath Israel they might take notice.

  6. Citizen says:

    Fox News has it right. link to csmonitor.com

    Obama has made his choice for his last term: Palestinians are the expendables, the chopped liver, no question about it. No return to Cairo, no real listening to what’s left of the Arab Spring. Obama’s all about his golf game, the rest of his comfy life. Obama’s the latest version of Uncle Tom–the Chabbos Goy.

  7. Citizen says:

    Chris Matthews is praising the fresh Obama-Bibi connection, and suggests, directly, that Obama should free Pollard because he’s been in prison longer than Nelson Mandela. Nice to know the altar boy equates a greedy, traitorous spy with a freedom fighter. What a self-righteous, lying prick!

    • jimmy says:

      Citizen…dont know why you torture yourself by watching any of those garbage cable opinion channels…

      what kind of …bonus…do you think matthews gets in his next paychek for that comment…..you can bet there will be something

      the last stuff I use to watch was C-span washington report….

      seen israeli ambassador to the US get railed by callers…

      then in a few years they went all neo-con….have not watched them since

    • Kathleen says:

      going to watch that one for myself. Release Pollard… Wonder who is greasing Matthews wheels? Why would he say such a thing?

      Tonight on the BBC they were repeating the Obama played tough with Israel hooey

      • Citizen says:

        I read today that Obama told Israeli TV, I guess within the last week, that he had no present plans to release Pollard. At his speech to the Israeli students, he was heckled by someone yelling to release Pollard. Obama just responded that he wouldn’t feel at home if he didn’t get at least one heckler–I don’t think he actually could hear what the heckler shouted.

    • kalithea says:

      Excellent observation. Mandela-Pollard: That’s one sick analogy. Zionist media! God help us all – they’re savaging the truth!

  8. Citizen says:

    Obama said today in Israel that it would be the easiest political thing to do in America to just support Israel. He also said to object to Israel’s right to exist is to object to the planets and sky above, so Israel “You are not alone.”

    “I can promise you this, political leader’s will not resist without push from the masses.”
    On MSNBC:

    Obama was not tremendous in substance. The whole trip was about the US next congressional elections, not peace in the middle east. Matthew Duss said Obama did call out settlements as not helpful towards peace, which, he said, harmed US national security. It’s all smoke and mirrors towards 2014 elections. Halting settlements is the key. Palestinians want a state, regardless of peace. Obama says, get a state by direct dialog, but it has not happened in 20 years. Kerry will look for a way back to direct negotiations, which might not be the best path, especially in view of Arab Spring.

    Obama said we can only have direct negotiations if we already have no conditions, so it’s stupid, to have end of the settlements as a pre-condition. Obama said the bare minimum he had to say in favor of Palestinians–he did not support the Palestinian UN bid for state, or end of settlements.

    • kalithea says:

      “Obama said we can only have direct negotiations if we already have no conditions, so it’s stupid, to have end of the settlements as a pre-condition.”

      I’ve been stating repeatedly that you can’t negotiate with someone who is robbing you blind as you talk…but I just realized that that’s the wrong approach, because ObamaNobama has downgraded the severity of settlement expansion. It’s just stealing land right; it’s not like Zionists are KILLING people while they negotiate, which they do, but always seem to come up with a “security” excuse for doing so.

      But what Obama and no one is asking is: How can you negotiate with someone that is ETHNICALLY CLEANSING PEOPLE FROM THEIR HOMES AND OFF THEIR LAND while you speak??? Obama like Zionists use “settlement expansion” as a cover for ETHNIC CLEANSING.

      Therefore from now on everyone must insist that if Zionists insist that freezing of settlement expansion shouldn’t be a condition for negotiations then the reply should be that you cannot negotiate with someone committing ETHNIC CLEANSING which the entire world recognizes as a crime against humanity.

      Would Obama negotiate with someone who is ethnically cleansing Americans? Would any leader in the free world negotiate with someone who continues to ethnically cleanse people off their land? As grave as settlement expansion is as it has been downgraded from a war crime to a punishment against failaure to submit to negotiations, it’s become a cover for ETHNIC CLEANSING.

      Obama said it was “not right” to “displace” Palestinians! NOT RIGHT? What’s that, a euphemism for criminally unjust? And what is displace? A euphemism for ethnic cleansing? And what about his “demographic threat” comment? Obama is but the devil’s advocate who speaks the Zionists racist’ language!

  9. kalithea says:

    REALITY:

    1. There are close to a million rabid, crazy settlers expanding their rotten roots on Palestinian land.
    2. Palestinians are being ETHNICALLY CLEANSED into disconnected; unfeasible spaces.
    3. Settlement expansion is a euphemism for ETHNIC CLEANSING. The global community is “tolerating” settlement expansion. But can it explain away ETHNIC CLEANSING?
    4. Zionists are masters of illusion. What was to be a Palestinian State has “practically” evaporated…poof!; Zionists planned this since 67 (although it was in their blackened hearts since Zionism was born); and the “peace” process was the vehicle that made their dream come true and yet they’re still able to make the world believe that a Palestinian state is there for the taking.
    5. There is no peace-plan; there is no two-state; there is no viable Palestinian State left and the plan is for Zionists to have it all.

    THE BIGGER PICTURE (according to it’s evolution pre and post 9/11)

    The U.S. and Israel are redrawing and reorganizing the map in the Middle East. Syria is being destroyed, literally. The Syrian civil war is a proxy war for what is in REALITY a hostile invasion of Syria by the U.S./Israel/Nato/ and Qatar/Saudi Arabia only the first three can never admit to their citizens that this is the gameplan. AQ is being manipulated with operatives on the ground to destroy Syria on behalf of these parties, destabilize Lebanon and to return Iraq to friendly Sunni rule by bringing down the Malaki government that has gravitated towards Iran. Oh, and when Iraq kicked the American forces out of Iraq, the U.S. had no choice but to surge in Afghanistan, again with AQ as an excuse, to maintain at least one heavily armed border with Iran.

    But on with Syria: No other party knows the Syrian terrain like Israelis who have executed several missions inside Syria over the years and who have operatives that can pass for an Arab anyday and who know where every munitions and chemical plant is located. No one can seriously believe, that Assad was responsible for the recent chemical attack. The only reason the U.S. finally admitted Assad didn’t do it is because the job was perhaps somewhat bumbled by AQ and the Russians were ready to pounce on the investigation and they would have discovered the truth and then maybe suspected a false flag collaboration or manipulation.

    Assad is a reluctant adversary caught between a rock and a hardplace whose country is being invaded and savaged by all the above-mentioned parties that are heavily invested in this war with Turkey and Jordan as staging grounds and to “limit” the casualties and make it look like they care about the Syrian population and AQ as the manipulated pitbull that pushes Assad’s buttons.

    Syrian civilians of all stripes are expendable in this war because only the endgame is supreme. The U.S. and Israel have the most to gain in this invasion and diminishing, destabilizing and neutralizing Iran is the BIG PRIZE with its limitless supply of oil and gas. The sanctions against Iran are the prelude to the end; the spears prodding, piercing and weakening the beast in preparation for the final kill. But Iran will be a hard “kill”; and it’ll be the wild card in the whole plan especially if China and Russia decide to back Iran. No doubt there’s a contingency plan for that scenario.

    But the plan is that in the end, the result will be a bunch of weakened neutral states with puppet leaders and corrupt monarchs who will control the Shia with an iron fist and the U.S. and Israel will exert the greatest power of all manipulating these fragmented states with the Saudis as feudal lords of this dominion. And as for the Dome of the Rock, it’ll be just another international tourist attraction in the “Holy” Land disneyworld, open for all but with the heaviest security on the planet no doubt.

    Until then, Palestinians will be held in LIMBO and Zionists will pull out all the stops to sustain the illusion of a Palestinian State. Only once the master plan is achieved and Palestinian resistance has provided Zionists with successive justification to rob every last inch of their land, will the Palestinian PROBLEM be addressed and decided for them, and they’re going to cook up a good one, probably with the collaboration of those they helped put in power in the puppet states! Let’s just say the Saudis will be indebted in a major way if they pull this off, but will they? Perhaps, only because they can count on the dumb masses to be distracted with superficial matter.

    So, Palestinians are being phased out of the equation. Obama is a game player. The die was cast before Bush. OBL was right; it was a takeover, and he was the first piece to be moved and then re moved. But he definitely served a purpose until his larger-than-life status that was moving AQ toward the purist Islamic goal became too…inconvenient. The 9/11 angle was the excuse for his demise and a whole lot more.

  10. MK_Ultra says:

    I can just picture Obama telling himself that the Palestinians adore him and are coming out in droves just to see his majestic face.

    As for the “Western trained and paid for PA force” – didya ever? They’re even wearing the same monkey-shit colored uniforms as the ISreali Death Forces. Despicable, disgusting and daunting. Shame on lapdog Abbas and his cadre of sold out, servile poodles.

  11. German Lefty says:

    Who was the heckler and what did he really say? A must read.
    link to electronicintifada.net

    • Citizen says:

      I wonder what Obama actually knows about Rachel Corrie and her parents’ crusade?
      He didn’t step in for the young Turkish American killed on the Gaza Flottila boat either. Yet he does speak out publicly on individual cases periodically–he did to support Rice as SOD candidate, and to identify with the black kid killed in the fight with the latino-white kid down in Florida. And he ended up having a beer on the WH lawn with that cop after he smeared him, if memory serves.

      • German Lefty says:

        I wonder what Obama actually knows about Rachel Corrie and her parents’ crusade?

        I am sure that he is familiar with her story. But from the video of the speech I would assume that the problem was that Obama didn’t understand the heckler at all. So, he probably didn’t even hear the name “Rachel Corrie”. Otherwise, I think he wouldn’t have reacted that way. I, for one, couldn’t hear the name. The only thing I could figure out was that the heckler didn’t speak English, German, or French.

      • LeaNder says:

        and to identify with the black kid killed in the fight with the latino-white kid down in Florida.

        The “latino-white” was 28 at the time, he is 29 now, I wouldn’t call that a kid. The juvenile he shot had just turned 17. He did not identify with the boy, but with the grief of the parents.

        The Trayvon Martin case got more news in 2012 the US then even the presidential election. So maybe it was no wonder he responded. Do we get news on the dead in Palestine?

        I happen to belong to the people that believe that the case should have gotten news, since there is a peculiar home-security-angle to it. Once you allow a nation to freely vent their anger against a collective scapegoat they can freely add their own respective “others”. And they do, so much the German history taught me.

        • Citizen says:

          While introducing his pick for the new head of the World Bank, President Obama commented on the Trayvon Martin case. And he made it personal.

          “I can only imagine what these parents are going through,” he said, “and when I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And you know, I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this.”

          He added later: “You know, if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon.”

  12. talknic says:

    @ kalithea “Zionists planned this since 67 “

    link to wp.me per Deuteronomy 20:15 — long before ’67

  13. IL1948 says:

    Abbas Wants peace like my dentist wants an end to tooth disease.

    Israel already froze construction for nearly a year as a concession and received no measurable level of compromise in return.

    • Israel already froze construction for nearly a year

      no they didn’t. they built a flurry of foundations prior to the so called ‘freeze’ and then ‘froze’ all ‘new’ construction but allowed construction on all previously laid foundations. the building during the ‘freeze’ was documented, it went on uninterrupted. you can check the archives here during the so called ‘freeze’ (especially kate’s list and today in palestine) and see for yourself.

    • gamal says:

      “received no measurable level of compromise in return.”

      So if I dont use the car i stole on Tuesday (except to go in to town for fags), what does the cars rightful owner owe me, the moral calculus is a, despite its complexity, vital tool.

    • Djinn says:

      As Annie says that is complete bullshit. I was in the West Bank during that “freeze” and there was construction going on in settlements everywhere. I took lots of photos to show people back home who were fond of this lie. It was a boil not a freeze.