Israel’s dancing soldiers

Here’s some image buffing we don’t see every day.  “Israeli soldiers are still finding time to party” with Palestinians is sweeping the press today. Allegedly the video was recorded on Monday at a Palestinian wedding in Hebron, the same day three Palestinians were gunned down in Qalandia refugee camp.

The “Gangnam Style” video aired on Israel’s Channel 2 News last night. The soldiers, members of the Givati Brigade, were later disciplined.

Washington Post, Hebron ‘Gangnam Style’ video the latest social media misstep for young Israeli troops:

While it was a seemingly innocent, even friendly gesture, a statement released by the Israeli army Thursday stated: “The IDF views this as a serious incident. The soldiers exposed themselves to unnecessary danger and were disciplined accordingly.”

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  1. ritzl says:

    …disciplined accordingly.

    Best to stick to shooting people dead then. Keep that record clean, eh young IDFers?

  2. Am I to understand Israeli soldiers were dancing with Palestinians?

    And for doing that they were punished by their superiors?

    Something about that makes me want to cry. A tiny chance for putative enemies learning to understand each other……….lost.

    This is sad….but somehow it is sadder than sad.

  3. Woody Tanaka says:

    “The soldiers, members of the Givati Brigade, were later disciplined.”

    Of course. When you treat the people who your state’s official ideology considers to be the “others” (or sub-human, die Untermenschen, etc.) then the biggest offense is treating them like actual human beings. It will make it harder when Tel Aviv orders the Givati Brigade to murder them.

    • I hope they’re sent to a re-education camp for behavior so outside normal conventions.

    • @Woody Tanaka

      I am very sorry, but the only offence here is your comment. We, the Israelis and the Israeli government, don’t “treat” the Palestinians as sub-human or Untermenchen (I wonder why you use German terms, but i can guess…). Also, no soldier receives orders to “murder” people, as you wrote. I don’t care if you like it or not – but the IDF is one of the moral armies in the world. The IDF is the only army in the ME that investigates any event, and jails its soldiers if necessary.

      About the dancing soldiers: Although I like very much the video shown that both young Israelis and Palestinians are the same as all young peoples in the world, the IDF sees it as serious incident only because there are fundamentalists among the Palestinians that can use such opportunity to kidnap soldiers. We don’t need more Gilad Shalit.

      • just says:

        ……” but the IDF is one of the moral armies in the world. The IDF is the only army in the ME that investigates any event, and jails its soldiers if necessary”

        lololololol. Can you please provide a credible link?

        • fnlevit says:

          Have you listen to colonel Kemp testimony in UN about IDF conduct of the Gaza operation. Listen carefully. Here is the link

          link to unwatch.org

        • Talkback says:

          “Testimony”? LOL! Kemp didn’t even visit Gaza!

          Where do you think he got his information from besides from the usual front end Hasbara organisations like Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs or UN-Watch?

        • amigo says:

          Kemp had no choice but to lie.He was himself a serial abuser both in Northern Ireland and Afghanistan.I wonder how much he was paid for his “opinion”.

          Below is testimony of IDF personnel.Who can know better.

          “Insight into a diseased mentality from a psychological review of the Israeli army’s violent behaviour in the way it conducts itself with the Palestinians, as reported in 2007 in Haaretz and in the Guardian/Observer. Excerpts:

          “… Yishai-Karin, in an interview with Haaretz, described how her research came out of her own experience as a soldier at an army base in Rafah in the Gaza Strip. She interviewed 18 ordinary soldiers and three officers whom she had served with in Gaza. The soldiers described how the violence was encouraged by some commanders. One soldier recalled: ‘After two months in Rafah, a [new] commanding officer arrived… So we do a first patrol with him. It’s 6am, Rafah is under curfew, there isn’t so much as a dog in the streets. Only a little boy of four playing in the sand. He is building a castle in his yard. He [the officer] suddenly starts running and we all run with him. He was from the combat engineers.

          ‘He grabbed the boy. I am a degenerate if I am not telling you the truth. He broke his hand here at the wrist, broke his leg here. And started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and left. We are all there, jaws dropping, looking at him in shock…

          ‘The next day I go out with him on another patrol, and the soldiers are already starting to do the same thing.”

          Yishai-Karin concluded that the main reason for the soldiers’ violence was a lack of training. She found that the soldiers did not know what was expected of them and therefore were free to develop their own way of behaviour. The longer a unit was left in the field, the more violent it became. The Israeli soldiers, she concluded, had a level of violence which is universal across all nations and cultures. If they are allowed to operate in difficult circumstances, such as in Gaza and the West Bank, without training and proper supervision, the violence is bound to come out.

          … The soldiers described dozens of incidents of extreme violence. One recalled an incident when a Palestinian was shot for no reason and left on the street. ‘We were in a weapons carrier when this guy, around 25, passed by in the street and, just like that, for no reason – he didn’t throw a stone, did nothing – bang, a bullet in the stomach, he shot him in the stomach and the guy is dying on the pavement and we keep going, apathetic. No one gave him a second look,’ he said.

          … The soldiers developed a mentality in which they would use physical violence to deter Palestinians from abusing them. One described beating women. ‘With women I have no problem. With women, one threw a clog at me and I kicked her here [pointing to the crotch], I broke everything there. She can’t have children. Next time she won’t throw clogs at me. When one of them [a woman] spat at me, I gave her the rifle butt in the face. She doesn’t have what to spit with any more.

          Shouldn,t you be preparing lectures for your pupils Prof, instead of defecating hasbara here at MW.

        • amigo says:

          “I am very sorry, but the only offence here is your comment. We, the Israelis and the Israeli government, don’t “treat” the Palestinians as sub-human or Untermenchen (I wonder why you use German terms, but i can guess…). Also, no soldier receives orders to “murder” people, as you wrote. I don’t care if you like it or not – but the IDF is one of the moral armies in the world.”MH

          Sure it is and pigs can fly.

          “Torture and Human Rights Violations in Israel and Palestine

          by Ludwig Watzal / May 27th, 2013

          Tradition of Torture in Israel

          Torture in Israel has a long tradition, dating back to the “Haifa Trials” in 1972.2 Western media outlets have only reported sporadically about this widespread phenomenon. The torturers are usually Shin Bet agents (Shin Bet=General Security Service GSS) who run special interrogation sections in some Israeli prisons. In June 1993, I attended the first conference on torture in Tel Aviv organized by “Physicians for Human Rights (PHR)” and the “Public Committee against Torture in Israel (PCATI)”. Neve Gordon, then general secretary of PHR and currently professor for Political Science at Ben-Gurion University in Beer-Sheva, declared at the final press conference that 25 to 30 per cent of the detainees were mistreated during interrogation. Stanley Cohen, then professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said that a “society that tolerates such practices, requires self-immunization. Although torture has become routine, the public is not informed, and they do not even want to know.”3 The publication of the report “On Torture” shows that Cohen’s statement 20 years ago still holds true.

          link to dissidentvoice.org

        • Eva Smagacz says:

          Same colonel Kemp who, in the article (since removed) in JPost spoke of IDF as “we”?!! He is often trotted out as an impartial source.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “Have you listen to colonel Kemp testimony”

          Oh, dear lord. It’s 2013. Are we STILL talking about Dore Gold’s whore, Richard Kemp??

        • Djinn says:

          Have no desire to. Have SEEN how the IDF conducts itself with regards to Gaza. Unlike Kemp.

        • K Renner says:

          Ha, that website is all about accusing the UN of “anti Semitism” whenever the UN correctly states that Israel’s violated international law or the laws of war.

          The link is rubbish and the site is rubbish– and it’s pretty interesting to see how much Israelis hate the UN for the latter holding them to account, considering the role the UN played in helping officially establish the state in it’s allotted territory.

      • eljay says:

        >> … the IDF is one of the moral armies in the world.

        That statement devalues the word “moral”.

      • Inanna says:

        Dear, sweet, naive Mahane. Soldiers do receive orders to kill people. It’s what armies do. And the Israeli army does it really well when it comes to Palestinians. If Israel did think that Palestinians were not sub-human, then perhaps they would not discriminate against them, not evict them from their homes and steal their land, not put them behind checkpoints and occupy them at gunpoint, not blockade them and declare no-go zones where they take potshots and kill those trying to farm their land.

        But this will not last too much longer. Palestine’s children will return and they will have justice.

        • Inanna, thank you for your compliments. Indeed, I am sweet, but not naive at all. The difference between us is that you sit somewhere in the world and know things only from the web and exposed to propaganda. I am living in Jerusalem, work at Mahane Yehuda market in the middle of the city, know the Arab society from close relations and talk their language (Not like my bad English).

          I will not respond to the first part of your ugly comment, since RJL (below) already posted a comment that I think represent my opinion.

          I also, like you, want that Palestinians children will return and have justice. No problem at all. They only have to agree to live in their independent state which they will receive after agreement and Israeli withdrawal, recognize the fact that this tiny land is an homeland of both peoples, Jewish and Palestinians, and stop dreaming expel us from our land. I do expect that, after justice will be done to the Palestinian refugees, all other refugees and victims of this conflict will have justice too.

        • you …. know things only from the web and exposed to propaganda. I am living in Jerusalem

          and you have no idea who you are talking to, do you?

        • RoHa says:

          “I also, like you, want that Palestinians children will return and have justice. No problem at all. They only have to agree to live in their independent state”

          But “returning” means living in what is now Israel.

          “which they will receive after agreement and Israeli withdrawal,”

          But Israel will not agree and withdraw.

          “recognize the fact that this tiny land is an homeland of both peoples, Jewish and Palestinians,”

          The Palestinians were prepared to share it, but the Zionists chose to cut it up and make part of it a racist Jewish state.

          “and stop dreaming expel us from our land.”

          Almost none have that dream. They want Israelis to recognize that it is the land of the Palestinians as well, and stop expelling Palestinians.

        • @Annie, correct – I have no idea but I can guess: No one living in Israel and knows the truth will write such things like he wrote in his comment. The truth is that all of us, Jews and Palestinians, are victims of this long conflict. There are no white and black, good and bad – There are two peoples, two communities of human being, that struggle for peace in this land – the homeland of the Jewish people and the Palestinian people. By demonizing one part we contribute nothing to promote peace and justice in this land.

          Please, do correct me if I wrong.

        • @RoHa: Sorry, the “Zionists”, like me, don’t want to cut nothing, only to live in peace with the Palestinians and Arab countries. We don’t want to expel nor be expelled. The majority of the Jewish people here in Israel support peace agreement, independent Palestinian state and justice to ALL refugees. After peace agreement, Israel will withdraw as we did in the past.

          I remember, when I was teenager, the visit of Egyptian president, Muhamad Anwar Al-Sadat, to my city to bring peace. I can’t express the fillings and the emotions we experienced than. Than I learned a lot on my people.

          Peace and justice will come to Israel and Palestine. The future is us.

        • Citizen says:

          @ MahaneYehude1
          Do you agree that any Palestine state should have all the powers of any sovereign state, such as Israel?

          Do you agree all the settlements in the OT need to be withdrawn as they are illegal under international law, which forbids land acquisition by force of arms?

        • Djinn says:

          If you’re going to stick around dude you might want to skip to the end pages in your Hasbara play book. The whole “you don’t know what it’s like/only read things online” thing is amateur level and you’re playing with the big boys here (big boys who’ve not only seen life in Israel but UNLIKE you in the WB and Gaza as well)

        • @Citizen: The answers to your both questions are: Yes and Yes!!!!

          I agree that any Palestine state should have all the powers of any sovereign state, like all state that respect the international law.

          I agree all the settlements in the OT need to be withdrawn, and the houses will be given to Palestinian refugees.

          In “exchange” I want only one thing: PEACE. real peace.

          I think I wrote it clear without “but” and ‘but”. Tx.

        • seafoid says:

          Sah.

          The song is “Gangnam style” by Psy which mocks the stuck up attitudes of the rich residents of the Seoul suburb of Gangnam and it’s a super metaphor for the de – brainwashing of these Israeli soldiers even if just for a few minutes.

          It takes a lot of work in a hermetically sealed language like Hebrew to keep the dehumanisation of the Palestinians and parallel victim cult of Zionism going. Great to see some breakout.

        • Daniel Rich says:

          @

          Q: ‘…recognize the fact that this tiny land is an homeland of both peoples…’

          R: Back in the day others tried to convince the Poles that ‘Lebensraum’ meant that they had to share their land with the ‘Lebenraumers,’ but that didn’t sit so well. To grab someone’s home, property or land [and based upon what actually?] is an indefensible act, regardless whether the league of Nations/UN had given the ‘thumbs up’ or a deity had left some scribbles in the footnotes of history. To jump on your mighty horse and stampede over the moral high-grounds, is like having Alex Jones run through your peaceful protest: a lot of noise, but no results.

        • JustJessetr says:

          “…big boys…”.

          Ha! Big boys who preach democracy from the safety of their own couch, but cheer Hamas who haven’t bothered with a second election. The same Hamas who threatened to open the gates of Hell upon Israel. I’m still waiting upon elections and those legendary gates.

        • amigo says:

          “The majority of the Jewish people here in Israel support peace agreement, independent Palestinian state and justice to ALL refugees. “MW

          “As Haaretz’s Barak Ravid reports, the Palestinian state accepted by these right-wingers would be demilitarized–and the kicker is that Israel keeps all of the settlement blocs in this imagined deal. That means the settlements of Ma’ale Adumim and Ariel–two settlement “blocs” that are considered “consensus” settlements, or settlements that Israelis believe they will keep in a permanent peace agreement. Both Ma’ale Adumim and Ariel slice and dice the West Bank into pieces that take a viable Palestinian state off the table. And that’s just talking territory. Never mind the discussion about a demilitarized state.

          “After peace agreement, Israel will withdraw as we did in the past. “MY

          Do share when you withdrew from any part of Palestine???.

          link to mondoweiss.net

          You are truly in self denial .It,s almost laughable were it not about such a tragic matter.

        • seafoid says:

          “There are no white and black, good and bad – There are two peoples, two communities of human being, that struggle for peace in this land ”

          There is a system and Jews run it. The system is evil.
          I hope that Jews are never ever treated the way Israel treats Palestinians.

        • eljay says:

          >> I agree that any Palestine state should have all the powers of any sovereign state, like all state that respect the international law.

          And even like those – including Israel – that don’t.

        • Elliot says:

          @ MahaneYehude…including a fully armed and trained army?

        • talknic says:

          MahaneYehude1 “I agree that any Palestine state should have all the powers of any sovereign state, like all state that respect the international law”

          Only the Israeli occupation and Israel’s lust for and illegal acquisition of Palestinian territory prevents it.

          “I agree all the settlements in the OT need to be withdrawn”

          Only Israel’s lust for Palestinian territory prevents it. Israel could withdraw starting immediately, there’s no legitimate reason stopping it from happening

          “In “exchange” I want only one thing: PEACE. real peace”

          Which comes first? Peace or withdrawal? Read the Egypt Israeli Peace Treaty carefully… 1st Israel must withdraw before peace is assumed. Israel could withdraw starting immediately, there’s no legitimate reason stopping it from happening

          BTW Israel ought have thought of these things before lusting after non-Israeli territory

        • talknic says:

          MahaneYehude ” am sweet, but not naive at all

          Let’s see shall we ..

          ” difference between us is that you sit somewhere in the world and know things only from the web and exposed to propaganda. I am living in Jerusalem, work at Mahane Yehuda market in the middle of the city”

          If your are not a Palestinian, UNSC res 476 says you are there illegally. You naively believe the Israeli Government

          ” They only have to agree to live in their independent state which they will receive after agreement and Israeli withdrawal”

          UNSC res 252 and EIGHT reminders say you’re naive

          “…recognize the fact that this tiny land is an homeland of both peoples, Jewish and Palestinians, and stop dreaming expel us from our land”

          Israel has been expelling non-Jews for non-Israeli territory for 65 years. It has its own territory yet lusts after more.

          “I do expect that, after justice will be done to the Palestinian refugees, all other refugees and victims of this conflict will have justice too”

          There are no Jewish refugees from this conflict. They have all taken citizenship elsewhere. No longer refugees. The other victims are the naive, who like you have believed Israeli propaganda

        • RoHa says:

          “Sorry, the “Zionists”, like me, don’t want to cut nothing, only to live in peace with the Palestinians and Arab countries.”

          The Zionists did cut Palestine into two pieces to make one piece a racist Jewish State. They planned to grab the rest when they could. They did expel, and are expelling, Palestinians. This has been going on since the 1920s, when Jews bought up farmland and drove off the tenant farmers. And now Palestinians are being driven our of their homes in Jerusalem. Bedouin are being driven out of their homes. That is the reality.

          And if the majority of Israeli Jews do not want this, why don’t they do something about it instead of supporting it?

          Maybe you want to live in peace with the Palestinians. If so, why not support the idea of a single, unified, state in Palestine, where all people have equal rights and equal citizenship? That would be closer to justice than maintaining the division that the Zionists created.

        • Djinn says:

          Please cite one post where anyone praised Hamas not holding elections. Just one, there’s a search function, shouldn’t be too hard. Or you know crawl back under your rock. Why *are* all you predictable bots posting here? I can’t think of anywhere I’d less like to spend my time than a blog which I actually believed was ill informed and/or bigoted. That you and your fellow travelers can’t seem to stay away suggests that you either A) know that is NOT the case or B) are certifiable.

        • @talknic: There are no Jewish refugees from this conflict?

          Do you know who is the owner of my grandparent’s house in Baghdad, Iraq? Do you know who is the owner of my wife’s parent’s house in Marakesh, Morocco? Do you know who is running the small business store of my wife’s grandparents in Casablanca (Dar Al-Baida), Morocco? Look, talknic, our grandparents and parents did not declare war on Iraq or Morocco, they didn’t commit any terror attack against civilians in these countries. They were forced to leave, and all their properties were stolen by the Arab countries governments only because they were Jews and have to be punished since state of Israel was born. I wonder why you all defend the Palestinians refugees, a consequence of war the Arabs declared on the new state of Israel, and no body mention the Arab countries Jewish refugees and their property? This disregard is racist by definition.

          Our land is our ancestral land and our land with or without UN resolutions!! This is not to say that the Palestinians have no roots here – They also have roots and have the right to return, live here and build their nation and independent country, alongside the state of Israel, living together in peace and dignity.

          In other time I will write you the difference between the Jewish refugees and the Palestinians refugees so you can understand why this conflict is complicated.

          You may say I am naive – OK, I am naive, but a naive that want only peace and stability in life. Please, join me.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Judah’s camp

          all of us, Jews and Palestinians, are victims of this long conflict.

          Nope. Zionist Jews are not the victims here. They are the perpetrators. Israel is a democracy … at least for those citizens who are Jewish. Therefore, if Jewish Israelis really wanted peace and justice, then they would have simply voted for politicians who support peace and justice.

          the homeland of the Jewish people and the Palestinian people.

          Palestine (= Gaza + Israel + West Bank) is the homeland of the Palestinian people. Palestinians can have any religion.
          Jews are not a people but a religious group. Religious groups don’t have a homeland. If a French citizen who was born in France and has always lived in France chose to convert to Judaism, then would his homeland suddenly change? Would France not be his homeland anymore?
          German Jews belong to the German people. Their homeland is Germany.
          US Jews belong to the (US-)American people. Their homeland is the USA.
          Australian Jews belong to the Australian people. Their homeland is Australia.

        • Citizen says:

          @ MahaneYehude1
          So, you’re saying you don’t agree with the Likud regime’s stance? That stance requires a Palestinian rump state sans the customary military defense over its land, air, and sea, and it requires Israel keeping many big settlements in the OT.

        • @German Lefty:

          For someone who “made in GDR” I don’t have to explain why the Jews need homeland and shelter.

          Gruβ aus Jerusalem.

        • jon s says:

          German Lefty,
          -As in all conflicts, there are innocent victims on both sides. It may be convenient for you, and others , to see it in black-and-white: one side the innocent victims, the other side the perpetrators, just like the extremists over here.
          -Israel/ Palestine is the homeland of both the Palestinian people and the Jewish people.
          -Jews are not (only) a religious group. They (we) are also a people. Think of this: There’s no such thing as a Christian – atheist or a Moslem – atheist. By definition, if you consider yourself a Christian, you can’t be an atheist, they are mutually exclusive categories. However, you can be a Jewish – atheist . How is that? Because Judaism is not confined to the religion, there’s a Jewish people, not only a Jewish religion.

        • German Lefty says:

          For someone who “made in GDR” I don’t have to explain why the Jews need homeland and shelter.

          Well, I am not a Zionist. Therefore, you will have to explain your thoughts to me.

        • just says:

          Sounds like your ancestral lands are in N. Africa and Iraq. Might be time to leave Israel to the indigenous people that you took it from.

          You might also tell your brethren to stop killing, harassing, incarcerating, stealing resources and land, and tearing the very livelihoods from the Palestinians.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “For someone who “made in GDR” I don’t have to explain why the Jews need homeland and shelter.”

          And nothing in your supposed “need” justifies or excuses the zionists’ crimes in Palestine and the theft of Palestinian lands.

        • Woody Tanaka says:

          “-Israel/ Palestine is the homeland of both the Palestinian people and the Jewish people.”

          When the Jews running that land permit anyone of Palestinian descent to settle anywhere between the Jordan and the Med, and all have equal rights and the vote, then maybe your self-congratulatory phrase might mean something. Absent that, it’s nothing but lame rhetoric by the heirs of a horde of European Jews who stole someone else’s land; rhetoric designed to do nothing but cover up that vile crime.

        • K Renner says:

          “Do you know who is the owner of my grandparent’s house in Baghdad, Iraq? Do you know who is the owner of my wife’s parent’s house in Marakesh, Morocco? Do you know who is running the small business store of my wife’s grandparents in Casablanca (Dar Al-Baida), Morocco? Look, talknic, our grandparents and parents did not declare war on Iraq or Morocco, they didn’t commit any terror attack against civilians in these countries. ”

          You know, while that is one of the only Zionist propaganda pieces that has truth to it- that Jews in Arab nations left said nations for Israel in Palestine– there is also the fact that was left out in that many Jews were encouraged or co-erced into moving to Israel (and subsequently being treated worse for not being Ashkenazim) by the then-government of the state.

        • Elliot says:

          @jon s.
          “-Israel/ Palestine is the homeland of both the Palestinian people and the Jewish people.”

          You omit the Palestinians’ rights as the native inhabitants of Palestine. It is not just their homeland, it is their ancestral home. On the Jewish side, many secular, or nominally religious Zionist Jews support Israel’s claims to sovereignty not because they subscribe to the “homeland” argument but because they feel the need for an insurance policy against anti-semitism. An internationally recognized Jewish state (+ army) in Uganda would give them the same guarantee.
          So the term “homeland” is not relevant to assessing either side’s position.
          More realistic is to talk about Israeli Jews need for security vs. legitmate Palestinian claims. That would necessarily entail the end of the settlements and the Greater Israel project. It would also require Israeli Jews to listen to Palestinian demands.
          Much better to choose instead to frame Israel/Palestine as equal claims to a “homeland.”

        • eljay says:

          >> Israel/ Palestine is the homeland of both the Palestinian people and the Jewish people.

          The geographic region of Palestine is the homeland of the people who were and are from that region. It is not the homeland of Jews – or anyone else – with no tangible connection to it (i.e., born there, living there, ex-pat from there, up to n-generations removed from there).

          >> Jews are not (only) a religious group. They (we) are also a people. Think of this: There’s no such thing as a Christian – atheist or a Moslem – atheist. … However, you can be a Jewish – atheist . How is that? Because Judaism is not confined to the religion, there’s a Jewish people, not only a Jewish religion.

          Zio-supremacists keep saying that Jews are not just a religion, they are a people, but then they fail to explain why the “Jewish people” can’t be Christian or Muslim or Buddhist, in the way that the Canadian and American and Italian and German people can be.

          They also fail to explain why a person cannot emigrate to “Jewish State” and bureaucratically become Jewish, while a person who immigrates:
          - to Canada bureaucratically becomes Canadian;
          - to American bureaucratically becomes American;
          - to Italy bureaucratically becomes Italian; and
          - to Germany bureaucratically becomes German.

        • RoHa says:

          “They also have roots and have the right to return, live here”

          So you are happy with the Right of Return, which means that Palestinians driven out of what is now Israel can return to what is now Israel and live there?

          ” and build their nation and independent country, alongside the state of Israel, living together in peace and dignity. ”

          Why an independent country? Why not a single unified state in all Palestine, in which all residents have equal rights and live together in peace and dignity?

        • RoHa says:

          “I don’t have to explain why the Jews need homeland and shelter. ”

          Perhaps you can explain to me why Australia is not the homeland of Australian Jews?

          I keep asking this, but no-one answers.

          Some Australian Jews are immigrants, but the rest were born here. They grew up here and went to school here. Their homes and businesses are here. They have never lived anywhere else. They are integrated into Australian society. Two Governors-General (Isaacs, 1931, and Cowen, 1977) were Jews. Monash, regarded as Australia’s greatest military commander, is commemorated on the $100 bill.

          How can you claim that they do not belong here, along with the rest of us Australian?

        • RoHa says:

          “Jews are not (only) a religious group. They (we) are also a people.”

          What do you mean by “a people”? What set of characteristics is sufficient to make a group a “people”? What set of characteristics is necessary to make a group a “people”?

          I keep asking these questions, but the answers I get (when I get any at all) are mostly evasions.

        • @Citizen: Correct! Israelis, like other democratic nations, have a range of opinions, from fundamentalists that want “all Eretz Israel” till fundamentalists that want “all Palestine”. In the middle you find the majority of the Israelis, from left to right. I personally, although I am a Zionist, love my country and my homeland, are near the left side of the map. As a person who know the Arabs, live with them, speak their language fluently, I believe we can live together in peace. So, I don’t oppose Palestinian state with full sovereignty as you wrote in your comment. About big settlements and other security issues, let’s leave them to the politicians. I believe, if both sides have will for peace, any issue can be solved. From my side I only pray for peace, real peace, and reconciliation. Hope you too.

          Best Regards

        • talknic says:

          MahaneYehude1 “Do you know who is the owner of my grandparent’s house in Baghdad, Iraq? etc”

          Irrelevant to the non-refugee status of folk who’ve taken up citizenship in a country other than that of return.

          “Look, talknic, our grandparents and parents did not declare war on Iraq or Morocco, they didn’t commit any terror attack against civilians in these countries. “

          a) Neither did Palestinian civilians declare war on Israel. No Arab state has either. B) It is NORMAL to inter or expel possible fifth columnists during a war. (and release or allow them return at the end of hostilities)

          “I wonder why you all defend the Palestinians refugees, a consequence of war the Arabs declared on the new state of Israel”

          A) ALL refugees have a RoR B) Can you cite this alleged declaration of war on Israel? Because the Israeli Govt tells us they invaded “Palestine” link to mfa.gov.il The UNSC resolutions on the Question of Palestine call for “peace in Palestine”, not Israel and there are no UNSC r5eslutions condemning the Arab states for attacking Israel.

          “and no body mention the Arab countries Jewish refugees and their property? This disregard is racist by definition.”

          A) They’re no longer refugees by definition. B) We’re not a race, by definition

          “Our land is our ancestral land and our land with or without UN resolutions!!”

          Our historical ancestral land was relegated to being of historical interest only, as of the moment Israel was “proclaimed as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947,”

          ” OK, I am naive, but a naive that want only peace and stability in life. Please, join me.”

          Believing Israeli propaganda has never bought peace and stability

        • miriam6 says:

          just

          Sounds like your ancestral lands are in N. Africa and Iraq. Might be time to leave Israel to the indigenous people that you took it from.

          You have some nerve

          A few Iraqi Jews have wished to return to Iraq for a visit , but guess what?

          They are afraid of the violence there

          And guess what?

          WHY is there such violence there?

          Because of YOUR country America

          Which destroyed any hope of peace in Iraq due to its invasion and destruction of Iraq in 2003

          You have some nerve advocating that a man who was BORN in Israel go and live in a country YOUR selfish cowardly nation made UNSAFE

          What’s more, North African is unstable and threatened by Islamist insurgents/ terrorists and do you know why?

          Again, because of AMERICA and NATO which destabilised North Africa when it bombed and unseated Ghaddaffi.

          Like I said, you have some nerve…

        • jon s says:

          Incidentally, even if Judaism is “only” a religion – it’s a religion which designates a special significance to the land of Israel.

        • jon s says:

          German Lefty,
          I noticed that I didn’t reply to one of your points:
          According to your example, if a French citizen converts to Judaism, he thereby indicates his willingness to share Jewish values and culture, including the connection to the land of Israel.

        • jon s says:

          Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the connection is certainly ” tangible”.
          Jews can’t also be Christians or Moslems because of the religious element in Judaism.
          A person who emigrates to Israel “bureaucratically becomes” an Israeli.

        • @RoHa: Indeed, why not a single unified state? why Canada and USA are separated? Why not single unified state in North America?

          Both of us know that your question is not naive and both of us know exactly who are the people asking this kind of question. Although you are nice man (or woman?), I have to disappoint you and apology in advance: Israel is and will stay the Jewish state for ever!! Shalom.

        • @German Lefty: you are not Zionist but you declare that you are anti-Zionist. So, to be anti-Zionist you must know what is Zionism. Learn, German Lefty, learn. Gruss.

        • German Lefty says:

          it’s a religion which designates a special significance to the land of Israel.
          The same applies to Christianity and Islam. Look, the Bible is not a land register. Religion and state are two different things.
          The Palestinians are the indigenous people of this land. European Jews invaded Palestine, carried out ethnic cleansing, founded a Jewish supremacist state, and “encouraged” (e.g. by money or scaremongering) other foreign Jews to immigrate to that new state.
          If Israel were the homeland of the Jews, then Jews would have been the indigenous people and ethnic cleansing would not have been “necessary” for the founding of a Jewish state.

        • German Lefty says:

          A person who emigrates to Israel “bureaucratically becomes” an Israeli.
          Yes, but not Jewish. That’s the problem.

        • German Lefty says:

          According to your example, if a French citizen converts to Judaism, he thereby indicates his willingness to share Jewish values and culture, including the connection to the land of Israel.
          Willingness to share the connection to the land of Israel – that’s very general and vague phrasing. Doesn’t sound like homeland at all.

        • eljay says:

          >> Incidentally, even if Judaism is “only” a religion – it’s a religion which designates a special significance to the land of Israel.

          You don’t get to steal and colonize land in Palestine – or anywhere else – simply because your religion tells you it’s yours to steal and colonize.

          >> Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the connection is certainly ” tangible”.

          Holy books, prayer, yearning, wistfulness and nostalgia do not constitute tangible connections to anything. They sure as shit don’t give Jews a right to use terrorism and ethnic cleansing to create an oppressive, colonialist, expansionst and supremacist state in Palestine.

          >> Jews can’t also be Christians or Moslems because of the religious element in Judaism.

          So much for your assertion that ” … Judaism is not confined to the religion, there’s a Jewish people, not only a Jewish religion.”

          >> A person who emigrates to Israel “bureaucratically becomes” an Israeli.

          Which is fine if Israel is the nation-state of the Israeli people. But Zio-supremacists claim that Israel is actually “Jewish State” – the nation-state of “the Jewish people”. If “the Jewish people” are like other people and they have a nation-state like other nation-states, immigrants to “Jewish State” should become Jewish. Making them non-Jewish Israelis – with different and less rights than Jewish Israelis – amounts to Jewish supremacism in Israel.

        • talknic says:

          jon s “Israel is the historic homeland of the Jewish people and the connection is certainly ” tangible”.”

          Irrelevant as of the moment Israel was recognized as it asked to be recognized

          ” as an independent republic within frontiers approved by the General Assembly of the United Nations in its Resolution of November 29, 1947, and that a provisional government has been charged to assume the rights and duties of government for preserving law and order within the boundaries of Israel, for defending the state against external aggression, and for discharging the obligations of Israel to the other nations of the world in accordance with international law. The Act of Independence will become effective at one minute after six o’clock on the evening of 14 May 1948, Washington time.” link to trumanlibrary.org

          “Jews can’t also be Christians or Moslems because of the religious element in Judaism”

          Bullsh*t. Being born of a Jewish mother is biological. A biological Jew can be any religion they choose.

          “A person who emigrates to Israel “bureaucratically becomes” an Israeli.”

          Amazing! Ditto anyone who immigrates to any country “bureaucratically becomes” a citizen of that country.

      • seafoid says:

        Oh dear. We eat hasbara for breakfast. It’s lovely with labneh.

        • @seafoid: Instead of calling me Hasbara, please read my comments carefully. The comments are written by a regular Israeli citizen that want peace and justice for both peoples here, the victims of this conflict. By demonizing one part you are only put an obstacle for peace and reconciliation.

          By the way, labaneh (not labneh) – Bon appetite!!!

        • seafoid says:

          MahaneYehude1

          I served my hasbara apprenticeship 13 years ago. I know all the memes.
          I had one of your fellow travelers tell me repeatedly YESHA would go as soon as the Palestinians were ready for peace. I have studied your country in depth. I have watched so many videos.

          link to pdxjustice.org

          link to csis.org

          link to youtube.com

          I have visited Israel many times. I love the bagels on Jaffa Road.
          Take your dung somewhere else. Israel is not going to make it.

        • Elliot says:

          Mahaneh Yehuda – to paraphrase Annie, you should really check who you are talking to before you start patronizing them. Your audience may make you eat you words with or without labaneh, salat chatzlim or chareef.
          For instance, what say you to an Israeli, such as myself, who knows the Mahaneh Yehuda market inside out.
          You are actually materially less qualified than the Mondoweiss commenters to see I/P reality clearly. We don’t have walls or racist laws to distort our vision of Palestinians.
          And we also see you.

        • @seafoid:

          OK, you know all the memes, but I don’t know. I repeat again and again: I am a regular Israeli citizen, a potato seller from Mahane yehuda market in Jerusalem that, like the majority of my people, want peace and justice to both nations here. I don’t understand something simple: An Israeli couldn’t express his feelings? All 7 million Israelis wake up in the morning and go to work in Hasbara? It is all Hasbara? No human beings? no emotions?

          After you posting here several thousands comments, If you continue calling me Hasbara, I will call you Di-aya (دعاية). The only Di-aya here are the HS videos you sent me. Enjoy them on your sofa. I will continue my efforts to achieve peace with my humble powers.

        • JustJessetr says:

          That’s terrific. You visited a bunch of times. You ate bagels. You watched a bunch of videos. I suppose some of your best friends are Jewish just like Roger Waters.

          Until you live as the Israeli you’ll never understand the Israeli. And that goes the same for the Palestinian. Eating a couple of meals and surfing the ‘net won’t do it. Even grad school won’t do it with all your “memes”.

          Israel will more than make it. It has made it already and keeps getting better. It’s too bad it’s being led by an utter nutcase, but eventually he’ll be gone.

        • @Elliot: Please, read the rest of my comments to know better who am I. I don’t know where you see racism in my comments. If you think I am less qualified person, you have the privilege to ignore my comments. No body force you to read and reply them.

        • German Lefty says:

          @ Judah’s camp

          The comments are written by a regular Israeli citizen that want peace and justice for both peoples here, the victims of this conflict.

          That’s not true! Regular Israelis do NOT want peace and justice. As Yair Lapid said, “Israelis want peace and security and Palestinians want peace and justice — these are two very different things, and this is the real gap we have to close.” So, Lapid acknowledged that Israelis* are NOT interested in justice. Yes, they want peace. But they only want peace on terms that are fundamentally unjust to Palestinians, e.g. denying Palestinian refugees the right to return to Israel, denying Palestinian Israelis equal rights within Israel.
          link to mondoweiss.net

          * Of course, when Lapid says “Israelis”, he only means Jewish Israelis. That’s because Zionists don’t view Palestinian citizens of Israel as Israelis. Palestinian Israelis are unwanted citizens because their very existence poses a “demographic threat” to the “Jewish State of Israel”.

          Israel’s unwanted citizens: link to youtube.com

          Racist incitement by Israeli public figures doubled in 2012: link to haaretz.com

          From another Haaretz article:
          The major portion of the chief rabbi’s strength (and potential damage …) derives from the fact that the chief rabbi is the head of an entire legal system that is forced upon the country’s citizens, imposing on them its customs and rituals. This legal system is the exclusive arbiter of who is a Jew and, even more importantly, who is not a Jew. In other words, this is the system that decides who belongs to the people and who does not. It also determines who is married and who is divorced, which woman is an agunah [barred by religious law from remarrying] and which child is a mamzer [born of an adulterous or incestuous union], who may marry and who may not, and who may marry whom, and on and on and on. This is a system that, amazingly, was explicitly freed from the obligation of loyalty to the state’s laws. [...]
          The man who is now our honorable education minister [stated]: “The home must not be sold to an Arab, particularly because of the prohibition known as lo tehonem [interpreted traditionally to mean, "Do not give them a hold on the land"]. To sell a home to an Arab, particularly in light of the struggle that is going on these days, is considered forbidden.”

          link to haaretz.com

          Poll: Where do Israeli Jews stand on Palestinian rights?
          link to haaretz.com

          By demonizing one part you are only put an obstacle for peace and reconciliation.

          Oh, really? Would you have applied the same logic to Nazi Germany and its Jewish victims? Or to slaveholders and their slaves? Or to a rapist and his victim?
          There’s the proverb “A fault confessed is half redressed.” As long as Zionists refuse to admit that they are in fact the perpetrators and that the Palestinians are the victims, peace and reconciliation cannot happen.

        • jon s says:

          Elliot, I was wondering whether your mouth was watering when you wrote that. It looks like you’re in need of an emergency delivery from the shuk.
          Incidentally, what’s your opinion of the gentrification going on there in recent years?

        • Elliot says:

          @Mahane Yehude – No body force you to read and reply them.
          I know, you are just a simple potato seller in the market who just happens to know better than everybody else. You are here to teach us how to correctly pronounce Arabic, to tell us that Palestinians are not mistreated in your racist, Israeli system and on and on. You are so much more knowledgeable about Arabic than Arabs and know so much more about Palestinian life than the Palestinians on this site and others who have studied for years.
          But, I should stop calling you out on this because you are just a simple potato seller.

        • @Elliot: Exactly, a simple potato seller that want peace.

          See you say same thing to all Israeli haters: ” You are so much more knowledgeable about Arabic than Arabs and know so much more about Palestinian life than the Palestinians “.

        • talknic says:

          MahaneYehude1 ” I am a regular Israeli citizen, a potato seller from Mahane yehuda market in Jerusalem…”

          You’re an illegal settler… want peace, go live in Israel.

      • Woody Tanaka says:

        “I am very sorry, but the only offence here is your comment.”

        Nope. It’s your damned ideology, your damned state and the evil way you people have stolen the land of another that is offensive.

        “We, the Israelis and the Israeli government, don’t “treat” the Palestinians as sub-human or Untermenchen”

        Yes, you do. All the time. Even the state, flag and symbol of your state do that, let alone your policies and laws. Half of the people whose lives your Apartheid government controls don’t even get the vote.

        “(I wonder why you use German terms, but i can guess…)”

        Mostly because those among the zionist eternal-victims are fond of pretending that a call for Palestinian human rights is a call for a Holocaust. Look around here, and they often sprinkle terms such as “Judenrein” around. Which is ironical, since it is the israelis who have instituted a ethno-religious apartheid state. But what’s good for the goose…

        “Also, no soldier receives orders to “murder” people, ”

        Then I guess all those dead Palestinian civilians are just faking being dead. Right.

        “IDF is one of the moral armies in the world. ”

        Horseshit. They are the product of an immoral, racist system enforcing an immoral, racist ideology against the native population in their own land. They are the KKK with modern weaponry.

        “opportunity to kidnap soldiers.”

        Soldiers aren’t kidnapped. They become POWs.

        “We don’t need more Gilad Shalit.”

        I would love to see a million more Gilad Shalits. Maybe then the israelis will pull all of their people back behind the green line.

      • amigo says:

        ” The IDF is the only army in the ME that investigates any event, and jails its soldiers if necessary.”MY

        Geez, we got a right one here guys.

        • Citizen says:

          @ amigo
          As if that statement isn’t so totally de facto false. 99.9% of the time when the IDF investigates an event, it gives the IDF operators a clean bill of health. This has been the subject of much past discussion on this web site. IDF PR is not justice.

      • elephantine says:

        I’m sorry but the words ‘moral’ and ‘army’ put together is the most absurd word combination ever and an oxymoron…

        An army is not a single moral entity. Armies are made up of people and people are not all moral. Power corrupts, it is simply human nature. Some people will be corrupted or let the power go to their heads easier than others. Some people may think they’re acting in a moral way but the line between what is moral and what is not can often be quite blurry. Without a completely objective view, it’s easy for people to believe they are acting morally when they are in fact not. Especially when they are placed in high stress situations where they fear for their lives, see others lose theirs and are obviously affected, both emotionally and psychologically, which everyone reacts to differently. And it happens all the time.

        Armies that are involved in any sort of conflict need to dehumanize their opponents in order to be able to fight and kill. This inevitably blurs the lines. Wars are dirty and armies have nothing to do with morality, nor are they moral. They are not automatically immoral but they are certainly not moral either. Not the US army, not the Israeli army, not the British Army – not any army. It is an absurd and obscene concept. I’m not denying there may be some moral individuals but you can’t qualify an army as moral. Armies kill.

        I’m sorry to break it to you but one has to be either delusional or blind to believe there can be anything moral about an army engaged in maintaining an occupation, stealing people’s land and having control over every aspect of their lives – and not just temporarily, but for decades and decades. I mean, please – how can anyone even still say anything about morality. There’s no question that ongoing occupation, ethnic cleansing, dispossession aren’t compatible with morality!

      • German Lefty says:

        the IDF is one of the moral armies in the world.

        Yeah, right!
        link to imeu.net
        link to mondoweiss.net

      • Basilio says:

        Mahanae, you stated that the Palestinians are not treated as sub-human. Then are you saying they’re treated as equals? What evidence do you have that the Palestinians under Israeli control are treated fairly and well? Based on what human rights reports. If you have such reports, I’d be happy to read them.

      • German Lefty says:

        We, the Israelis and the Israeli government, don’t “treat” the Palestinians as sub-human or Untermenschen

        Yeah, right!
        Listen to what an Israeli soldier at a checkpoint near Ramallah said:
        link to youtube.com
        He referred to the Palestinians in Ramallah as animals that are caged. And that’s what you consider the most moral army in the world.
        In case the link doesn’t work properly, the statements are at 1:09:40.

  4. Obsidian says:

    The greatest danger is losing their weapons and the next greatest danger is a kidnapping.

    Both these jokers need to cool their heels in the brig.

    • just says:

      You’re kidding, right?

      Goodness gracious– you want to punish them for being “good” humans?

      • Obsidian says:

        No. I want to punish them for being poor soldiers.

        • Elliot says:

          Israelis bearing weapons hang out with ARMED Palestinians all the time. There are negotiations, coordinations, goodwill meetings and so on. You just don’t trust the judgement of the grunts, who apparently did very well all on their own. How are you going to get them to murder innocent Palestinians if they have a human connection with them.

        • Obsidian says:

          @Eliot

          You can also ask the question, ‘How are you going to get them to murder innocent Israelis if they have a human connection with them?’

        • amigo says:

          “No. I want to punish them for being poor soldiers.” oblivious

          Why, all members of the Occupation Nations offensive forces are poor soldiers.

          Gee, they ran away from Hezbollah in Lebanon 2.

        • Obsidian says:

          @amigo

          Yes, and in their panic they trampled to death 700 Hezbollah troops.

        • Ellen says:

          Obsidian, from a soldiering/war-ing point of view you are absolutely right. But what happened is that these young men forget the soldier part and allowed the human side to prevail. They connected with other young people on a universal human level. Rules of continued conflict do not allow for that. They will be punished for being human.

        • Elliot says:

          @Obsidian,
          In a a reverse reality your reverse question would apply:
          1. Armed Palestinians controlling a Jewish area.
          2. The Palestinians authorities disciplined their soldiers.
          Since it’s the Jews occupying and killing the Palestinians and the Jews forbidding human interaction, your question does not apply.
          However, it does invite the question of who is really interested in maintaining the violence.
          Shabbat shalom.

        • Citizen says:

          @ Obsidian
          Yeah, they were only innocently winning hearts and minds. Poor soldiers indeed. I guess Israel needs even more crass, stupid, vulgar, ignorant Israeli diplomats.

        • K Renner says:

          250-500 at most, and primarily due to air strikes and artillery.
          That’s why so many of the dead were civilians.

          It’s also worth remembering that the “professional” IDF lost 121 soldiers in direct combat– not bad for an irregular group like Hezbollah.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “The greatest danger is losing their weapons and the next greatest danger is a kidnapping.”

      The first wouldn’t be a “danger” but a very good thing. The second is a category error. Soldiers are taken as POWs. They are not kidnapped.

    • Pamela Olson says:

      The idea of Palestinians celebrating a wedding suddenly kidnapping armed soldiers is much more ludicrous than the idea of Palestinians welcoming someone who comes in peace. You don’t seem to know Palestinians very well. I think the soldiers have a better idea of the terrain than you do.

      The danger here was not to the soldiers, but to the ideology they have been carefully inculcated with.

      Though the act of welcoming these Israeli soldiers — in uniform and armed, no less — in a place like Hebron, where soldiers are the scourge of their lives, requires a generosity of spirit that I will always find incredibly humbling. I saw it over and over again when I was in Palestine.

      The spectacular stories you hear of kidnappings and lynchings are very much a rare outside exception (and they don’t happen in a vacuum). Compared to what Israeli soldiers do to Palestinians on a daily basis, what Palestinians do to Israeli soldiers amounts to barely a margin of error.

      • seafoid says:

        Palestinians have kindness in abundance. That comes from knowing who they are. Israel is a mess by comparison.

      • ritzl says:

        Great comment, Pam.

        Palestinian behavior like this is unimaginable, or would be if we didn’t see it so often. Very humbling indeed.

        As others here have said, exposure to that generosity and depth of spirit must be so deeply affecting that it is what the IDF ptb are so deathly afraid of.

    • Obsidian says:
      The greatest danger is losing their weapons and the next greatest danger is a kidnapping.
      Both these jokers need to cool their heels in the brig.

      The greatest danger is twitchy fingers or a faulty safety switch on those weapons …one false move and it would be the Palestinians who suffer the consequences (dead or wounded).

      At least one of these soldiers will probably join Breaking the Silence.

  5. Vacy says:

    Dancing together will have more chance at making peace than the peace process farce.

  6. RJL says:

    No Woody, you got it wrong. It’s your beloved Palestinian leadership, and a large number unfortunately of their ordinary people, who consider Jews to be the untermenschen. By the way, you ain’t no mensch. I agree with the opinion earlier that the dancing is actually a ray of hope in this miserable conflict. And that perhaps with all the ugly tumult/violence/carnage begot from one arab to another in the Middle East, maybe us “terrible” zioJews, us unliberal, unwashed, unsympathetic, colonialists, imperialists, capitalists (let’s throw in a few unrepentant communists for fun) dirty Jews might just be a whole lot better than much of the crazy arab world. Who knows, maybe some of those Hebron Palestinians understand something along those lines. And no, the IDF soldiers for the most part do NOT hate the arabs. Some of them, even those posted to Hebron, ARE Israeli arabs. Like Osama, from 4 years ago. Yep, there was an Osama I met guarding the Jewish community there. Go tank, Tanaka.

    • lyn117 says:

      “unwashed … dirty Jews” are “better” than the “arab world”

      Aside from revealing your racism, “cleansing” was the term used by Ben Gurion and his cronies for getting rid of the Arabs from what’s now Israel. In that sense, the “zioJews” are very clean.

    • seafoid says:

      Drop the “israeli arab” classifications, habibi. Then work on your memes. Come back when you have done your homework.

    • Elliot says:

      @rjl
      “It’s your beloved Palestinian leadership, and a large number unfortunately of their ordinary people, who consider Jews to be the untermenschen”

      You should post a reference for a statement that reads like racist slander.

    • Woody Tanaka says:

      “It’s your beloved Palestinian leadership, and a large number unfortunately of their ordinary people, who consider Jews to be the untermenschen.”

      Nope. They just don’t want their children murdered, their land stolen and their people ethnically cleansed by you people.

      “By the way, you ain’t no mensch.”

      Coming from the likes of you, that’s a compliment.

      “I agree with the opinion earlier that the dancing is actually a ray of hope in this miserable conflict.”

      Yup, and isn’t it ironic that this simply act of humanity is being squashed by the Jewish side. Tells you quite a bit about how the conflict consists of israeli jackboots crushing Palestinian skulls and nothing else.

      “And that perhaps… might just be a whole lot better than much of the crazy arab world.”

      So much anti-Arab bigotry in so few words. I guess that vile concoction is what you, as a “mensch,” spew. Thank the Gods I’m not one.

      “Who knows, maybe some of those Hebron Palestinians understand something along those lines.”

      LOL. No, more likely the Hebron Palestinians understand that the presence of israelis in their town means random curfews designed to destroy their livelihood, the slow theft of their city, random killings by settler Jews and idf terrorists and getting garbage dumped on them for no reason other than the fact that they’re not Jews. THAT is what they understand about you people.

      “And no, the IDF soldiers for the most part do NOT hate the arabs. ”

      They are enforcing an ideology, zionism, that consists of nothing other than hatred of Arabs. Their personal feelings are irrelevant in light of that.

    • talknic says:

      @ RJL Odd that you have ‘a’rab instead of Arab. Why? link to wp.me

  7. W.Jones says:

    If they did that more often their problems would be solved.

  8. miriam6 says:

    It’s a rather touching , funny video if it’s real

    Shame the soldiers’ IDF superiors couldn’t have viewed the incident with a sense of humour and irony

    • libra says:

      There can be no irony behind the Iron Wall, Miriam.

      • miriam6 says:

        There can be no irony behind the Iron Wall, Miriam.

        In the first place the iron wall as you call it – was put there to stop nihilistic Palestinian suicide bombers from continuing their massacre of Israeli civilians

        The safety of Israeli civilians might be a joke to you, but NOT to all the Israeli civilians who are ALIVE today because of it

        The irony being that on the one hand they launch vitriol at the soldiers

        Something is off. Dominating situation….as if almost poking fun. Just not sure

        How soldiers can be said to be dominating ANYONE whilst dancing I have no idea..

        I hope they’re sent to a re-education camp for behavior so outside normal conventions.

        So – in other words, as usual ;

        Israelis ;

        Dammed if they do dance with Palestinians/ dammed if they don’t.

        PS ; Perhaps the soldiers were off their faces on Ecstasy and / or ‘legal highs’ and the wedding/party goers too…

  9. Elliot says:

    Reminiscent of the WW1 accounts of bored German and British troops carousing at Christmas. Same outcome as here. The high command put the kibosh on it. The working class on both sides had more in common with each other than they shared with their own brass. Dangerous stuff.

    • Citizen says:

      @ Elliot
      Good point.

      • Walid says:

        It also happened during Lebanon’s civil war at the demarcation line between the Muslim and Christian opponents when they stopped for the games of the “Mondial”. I remember reading how the Muslims brought the TVs while the Christians ran electricity wires to the line for both to watch the games together. After the games, they went back to shooting at each other. Crazy world or crazy people.

  10. just says:

    wiki:

    “The Christmas truce was a series of widespread, unofficial ceasefires that took place along the Western Front around Christmas 1914, during World War I. Through the week leading up to Christmas, parties of German and British soldiers began to exchange seasonal greetings and songs between their trenches; on occasion, the tension was reduced to the point that individuals would walk across to talk to their opposite numbers bearing gifts. On Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, many soldiers from both sides – as well as, to a lesser degree, from French units – independently ventured into “no man’s land”, where they mingled, exchanging food and souvenirs. As well as joint burial ceremonies, several meetings ended in carol-singing. Troops from both sides were also friendly enough to play games of football with one another.[1]

    The truce is seen as a symbolic moment of peace and humanity amidst one of the most violent events of modern history. It was not ubiquitous; in some regions of the front, fighting continued throughout the day, while in others, little more than an arrangement to recover bodies was made. The following year, a few units again arranged ceasefires with their opponents over Christmas, but the truces were not nearly as widespread as in 1914; this was, in part, due to strongly worded orders from the high commands of both sides prohibiting such fraternisation. In 1916, after the unprecedentedly bloody battles of the Somme and Verdun, and the beginning of widespread poison gas use, soldiers on both sides increasingly viewed the other side as less than human, and no more Christmas truces were sought.”

    Sad and beautiful. I don’t think that they were “bored”, I think they were tired of the killing, and lonely and homesick and heartsick.

  11. joer says:

    I got a kick out of the video also, but something didn’t seem quite right about it. Maybe it was the gun or that the soldier seemed a little stiff. And the Palestinians seemed too happy that he was dancing with them. Was it a case of people reaching out to people or was it bored teenagers with a lot of power crashing a party? This comment on the video by a former IDF soldier may add a different perspective on the video:
    link to thedailybeast.com

    • a blah chick says:

      Thank you for that link to the Daily Beast because that was the same reaction that I had. Yeah, it looks cute but it is still the dominant group holding sway over the oppressed ones. Those soldiers didn’t think twice about whether they would be welcomed, they took it for granted that they could join in and no one would say no.

      Because no one there can say no.

    • Kathleen says:

      Something is off. Dominating situation….as if almost poking fun. Just not sure

      • joer says:

        Judging from the exagerated enthusiasm of the Palestinians and the awkwardness of the soldiers, my opinion is that when the soldiers came in the club the Palestinians dealt with it by being extra gregarious to put the soldiers off their gaurd a little-and the soldiers got swept up in the moment. The sad fact is that because of the underlying relationship of the people involved, if someone made a wrong move the whole thing could have ended tragically.

    • Citizen says:

      @ joer
      Yeah, I noticed that too. It all seemed awkward, rather than spontaneous, cherry picked, maybe edited happenstance. Where did the video clip come from?

  12. Terry Weber says:

    The reason the Israeli Occupying Soldiers were disciplined was to maintain and keep the Israelis scared of all Palestinians all the time.

  13. Taxi says:

    It’s amazing what a coupla hits of Ecstasy can do to a racist mindset.

  14. fnlevit says:

    So you don’t clear my replies to your cronies. You are really afraid of me, aren’t you. Just to have a person like me commenting may ruin your cozy blog. So you just halow some conveniently chosen weak oponents to get your show running in a respectable manner.