Palestinian citizens slam Lieberman’s support for transfer

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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. Photo: AP

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman. Photo: AP

Israel’s Foreign Minister has doubled down on a plan to transfer Palestinian villages within Israel to a future Palestinian state.  But Palestinian leaders within Israel have firmly rejected the proposal, which could strip the Israeli citizenship hundreds of thousands of Palestinians hold.

Last week, Maariv published a report claiming that Israel had told U.S. officials that the transfer plan should be part of a future peace agreement with the Palestinian Authority. Four days later, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman raised the transfer plan again, which would swap Palestinian villages from an area known as the Triangle in exchange for Israel’s annexation of settlement blocs.

“It’s appropriate to talk about an issue that is not exactly politically correct,” Lieberman said in a speech that also included praise for Secretary of State John Kerry.  “I’m talking of course of the exchange of territory and populations. And if someone thinks that I’m talking about an exchange of territory and ‘the triangle’ and Wadi Ara – indeed, that’s what I am referring to.”  The proposal would redraw Israel’s border to get rid of 300,000 Palestinian citizens and, if the settlement blocs are annexed, boost Israel’s Jewish majority.

Lieberman also stressed support for the transfer plan when he came to the U.S., as Mondoweiss’ Allison Deger reported.  First proposed in 2004, the so-called “Lieberman Plan” has been raised during high-level negotiations between Israeli officials and the Palestinian Authority.

In the wake of Lieberman’s comments, Palestinian citizens have slammed any plans to strip their citizenship.  Ma’an News reports that the Monitoring Committee of Arabs in Israel came out in strong opposition to Lieberman’s comments.  Jamal Zahalka, a Balad party Knesset member, told the Jerusalem Post that Lieberman was putting a “question mark” on Palestinians’ citizenship in Israel.  And officials from the Palestinian city of Umm al-Fahm, which would be part of any transfer plan, called the proposal a “second Nakba.”

“We are the children of this land. We inherited it from our ancestors, and nobody can speak or negotiate on our behalf in any future agreement with the Palestinians,” the city said in a statement, according to Haaretz.  Polls of Palestinian Israelis have consistently showed majority opposition to any plan that would leave them as residents of the West Bank.

Interestingly, Israel’s Interior Minister–perhaps aware of the damage Lieberman’s proposal could do to Israel’s image–also criticized the transfer plan.  “An Israeli citizen is not an object and cannot be moved under a peace accord,” Gideon Sa’ar, the minister, said while visiting the Palestinian city of Sakhnin.  “The Arab citizens of Israel are citizens with equal rights, and their citizenship must not be hindered under any future peace deal.”

27 Responses

  1. yrn
    January 7, 2014, 5:26 pm

    “Lieberman also stressed support for the transfer plan”
    kane, where exactly is the transfer, sounds like there is a new technology you invented, that moves the earth, or is it your old spew propaganda.
    get a new slogan transfer is not on the air anymore.

    • Hostage
      January 8, 2014, 8:32 am

      where exactly is the transfer

      Territory that is already being lawfully occupied by Palestinian Israelis is being transfered to the Palestinian state in exchange for territory stolen by illegal Israeli settlement blocs. There is also the probability that a portion of the population of the triangle will simply transfer to other parts of Israel in the interest of preserving family unity and avoid being trapped on the wrong side of a new international border.

      • Naftush
        January 9, 2014, 8:09 am

        So you term the PA-state side of the new int’l border the wrong side. How telling.

        • Hostage
          January 9, 2014, 9:59 pm

          So you term the PA-state side of the new int’l border the wrong side. How telling.

          There’s nothing telling about it. If you’re interested in going to the Haram al-Sharif , then the PA side is the wrong side of border under the Lieberman proposal. See Lieberman: Jerusalem not negotiable link to ynetnews.com

          Besides that, the Palestinian Arabs of Israel are a community. You dickish Zionists don’t have any right to disrupt family and social relations between the members in the rest of the country by laying down a new international frontier around the triangle and cutting them off from the territory where they currently enjoy freedom of movement.

  2. Rusty Pipes
    January 7, 2014, 5:53 pm

    Where exactly is the triangle? I’ve heard about it for years, but i’ve never seen it on a map.

    • Walid
      January 8, 2014, 1:45 am

      About 40 km southeast of Haifa. The area containing Kafr Qara, Umm al-Fahm, Tayibe and Qalansawe was originally intended to be under Jordanian control in the 49 armistice but was retained by Israel for what it called its security concerns. In exchange, Israel gave up territory in the southern Hebron hills that was originally intended to be part of Israel. Map:

      link to arcgis.com

  3. yrn
    January 7, 2014, 5:59 pm

    Where exactly is the triangle?
    In Thailand it’s cold the “golden triangle”.

    • amigo
      January 8, 2014, 9:30 am

      “In Thailand it’s cold the “golden triangle”.”yrn

      yrnstein,did you mean to say,”It,s cold in the golden triangle”.

  4. talknic
    January 7, 2014, 7:16 pm

    I’m amazed Lieberman is not on trial in Israel for spouting the Nazi notion of getting rid of a particular portion of the state’s citizens. The man is evil

    • MahaneYehude1
      January 8, 2014, 1:38 am

      I’m amazed the Australian government members are not on trial in Australia for dropping asylum seekers to the sea. The government members are evil.

      • Talkback
        January 8, 2014, 3:06 pm

        Since when are Palestinians in Israel “asylum seekers”? Since your Antigentile Apartheid Junta considers those Palestinians who want to return as “infiltrators”?

      • talknic
        January 10, 2014, 3:00 am

        @ MahaneYehude1 “I’m amazed the Australian government members are not on trial in Australia for dropping asylum seekers to the sea. The government members are evil”

        I agree. Did you have a point tho? Because people seeking asylum in Australia are not citizens of Australia. Citizens of Israel are citizens of Israel, like Jewish citizens of Germany were citizens of Germany.

        Seems ziocaine messes with one’s ability to think things thru

  5. James Canning
    January 7, 2014, 7:45 pm

    Leaders of Muslims and Christians, and others, who used to be Palestinians. (?) Who oppose redrawing border of Israel to cut out areas where too many non-Jews live.

  6. eljay
    January 7, 2014, 7:45 pm

    “It’s appropriate to talk about an issue that is not exactly politically correct,” Lieberman said in a speech that also included praise for donkey-fellating Secretary of State John Kerry. “I’m talking of course of the mass murder of Palestinians – indeed, that’s what I am referring to.” The proposal would slaughter 300,000 Israeli Palestinians and boost Israel’s Jewish majority.

    “What?” exclaimed Lieberman, surprised by the stunned silence in the room. “It’s not like I’m talking about killing Jews, or even people. I’m talking about Arabs. What’s the matter with you people? What are you, some kind of anti-Semites or something? Have you forgotten to remember the Holocaust?!”

  7. eljay
    January 7, 2014, 7:58 pm

    Bibi and Avi: Profoundly hateful and immoral men; leaders of an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state; and champions of an ugly, immoral, unjust and supremacist ideology. All hail their victory. >:-(

  8. Hostage
    January 8, 2014, 3:57 am

    But Palestinian leaders within Israel have firmly rejected the proposal, which could strip the Israeli citizenship hundreds of thousands of Palestinians hold.

    The people with ties to communities in Nazareth or Jerusalem or those who want to have freedom of movement to the Holy sites would obviously relocate elsewhere in Israel to avoid having their citizenship revoked.

    This is simply an Israeli plan to use Palestinian territory as a swap for the land that was stolen by the illegal settlement blocs. It will either work to internally displace the inhabitants or deprive them of a nationality. It is a measure calculated to prevent a racial group or groups from participation in the political, social, economic and cultural life of the country and to further segregate the population of the region along ethnic lines.

  9. Citizen
    January 8, 2014, 4:20 am

    What could Lieberman mean, and more hard questions: Tough answers with Yossi Alpher on Jan 6, 2014:

    link to peacenow.org

  10. Mike_Konrad
    January 8, 2014, 4:45 am

    The people with ties to communities in Nazareth or Jerusalem or those who want to have freedom of movement to the Holy sites would obviously relocate elsewhere in Israel to avoid having their citizenship revoked.

    Not so! They could back date a requirement.

    For ex: Those who were citizens of Uhm al Fahm on Jan 2014 or later will be Palestinians.

    If you think it is easy for an Arab-Israeli to move, think again.

    Most Israelis cannot afford to live in Tel Aviv. Many Israelis will not rent to Arabs.

    So that is out of the question.

    Then that residency would have to have been established BEFORE the backdate, with official paperwork to prove it.

    Failure to re-register your car, your car insurance will be get you in trouble.

    Supposedly, Israeli bureaucracy is a nightmare. Even Jews complain about it.

    Israel license requirements are insane

    Someone aged at least 16 years and 9 months may receive a Type B driver’s license. After receiving both a medical and eye checkup, an applicant can take a 30 question multiple-choice test, of which they must answer at least 26. Before taking the actual driving test, they must receive at least 28 lessons at a certified driving school. After passing the internal driving school test, the instructor will arrange the test, which will be taken in the driving school’s vehicle. If someone fails either the written or driving test, they must wait at least two weeks before retaking the driving test, and one day before retaking the written test. Once the driving test has been passed, the licensing authority will issue a temporary license together with a payment voucher. Once the fee has been paid, the actual license will be sent in the mail.

    For the first three months, the new licensee must be accompanied by someone aged over 24, who has had a license for at least 5 years, or someone over 30, who has had a license for over 3 years. In addition, during the first two years, the new driver must hang a sign reading “New Driver” (Hebrew: נהג חדש‎, Nahag Hadash) in black letters on a yellow background. Anyone failing to comply with these requirements is subject to be fined and tried in traffic court for driving without a license. If a new driver violates a traffic law, one may be required to retake the written and driving test.

    Israel is not an Apartheid state.

    What Israeli really is is a Kafkaesque bureaucratic nightmare. It falls on both Jew and Arab, equitably. The difference is that Israel sets up assistance for Jews. The Arabs are on their own.

    It is a nightmare. Do not kid yourself.

    • NickJOCW
      January 8, 2014, 9:53 am

      Mike, Back in February 1971 it was snowing heavily in Jerusalem. I had a meeting with Teddy Kollek at the King David and was late due largely to the number of accidents and abandoned cars on the roads. When I apologized for my tardiness he told me Israelis were rarely good drivers, the problem was cars were so expensive by the time people could afford to buy one they were too old to learn to drive!

    • Hostage
      January 8, 2014, 11:14 am

      It is a nightmare. Do not kid yourself.

      I didn’t say getting internally displaced wasn’t a nightmare. I’m just explaining that some of these people have said they will try to move in with family members or friends rather than be de-nationalized, e.g.:

      Israeli Arabs: We don’t want to be part of Palestinian state: Residents of predominantly Arab ‘Triangle’ see Lieberman land swap plan as unrealistic, say most would move to stay in Israel: ‘The population won’t agree to give up their citizenship’
      link to ynetnews.com

      Lieberman: Arabs who want to remain Israeli are suddenly ‘lovers of Zion’:
      ..
      The Israeli Arabs whose communities would be transferred to a newly formed Palestinian state under Lieberman’s scheme say that they want to remain in Israel, and with some speculating that residents of those areas would move in order to do so. link to ynetnews.com

  11. just
    January 8, 2014, 6:33 am

    How in the world does this barbarian hold onto power? He advocates this extreme form of delegitimization, theft of personhood and heritage, and real history . Is this not a form of genocide?

    Oh, yeah. It’s Israel– business as usual.

  12. amigo
    January 8, 2014, 9:36 am

    Mahane is as usual conspicuous by his lack of presence.

    When the going gets tough, the mahane clan get,s going.

    • MahaneYehude1
      January 8, 2014, 2:14 pm

      @Amigo:

      I can’t believe you miss me here!!!

      • amigo
        January 9, 2014, 8:47 am

        clan mahane, as you showed up, how about condemning Lie-bermans ethnic cleansing plans and while you are at it, condemn Israel blaming the Palestinians for the “Price tag attacks” that you refer to as vandalism.

        You are a fraud Mahane and the more you post here, the clearer it becomes.

        • MahaneYehude1
          January 11, 2014, 12:33 am

          @Amigo:

          how about condemning Lie-bermans ethnic cleansing plans

          When you describe his plan correctly, I will write my opinion about it.

          You are a fraud Mahane and the more you post here, the clearer it becomes.

          It is a compliment that shows me that my post relevant. The wave of personal attacks I received in the last day, is a proof that the truth is not comfortable to you. It encourages me. Thank you, friend.

      • talknic
        January 10, 2014, 4:30 pm

        @MahaneYehude1 Uh? Who said anything about missing you? Your ego is as big as the holes in your wholly holey old Hasbara

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