Israel surveils and blackmails gay Palestinians to make them informants

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Israel has sold itself internationally as a gay Mecca. (Here, here, and here, for instance.) This freedom is regularly cited by advocates for Israel in the west, making stark comparisons to Muslim societies that repress gays. Well here’s a new spin on that claim: reports that Israeli intelligence pried into Palestinians’ phone calls and internet activity so as to identify and blackmail Palestinian gays and turn them into informants against other Palestinians.

Haaretz has a story up on 43 reservists in Israeli intelligence who are refusing to serve because of the “political persecution” of Palestinians. The reservists write that while surveillance of Israeli citizens is strictly limited, “the Palestinians are not afforded this protection.” They declare in a letter to the Israeli P.M.: “we refuse to take part in actions against Palestinians and refuse to continue serving as tools in deepening the military control over the Occupied Territories.”

An unsigned piece in the Guardian details testimonies from intelligence veterans and exposes practices reminiscent of totalitarian countries: “Any Palestinian is exposed to monitoring by the Israeli Big Brother.” Here are selections where the recovering spooks describe using Palestinians’ sexual practices to turn them into informants, or exploit the Palestinians’ need for medical care in Israel.

No boundaries were set for us, for both passive activities such as gathering intelligence, and for active initiatives that had an impact on people’s lives.

If anyone interests us, we’d collect information on his or her economic situation and mental state. Then we would plan how we can perform an operation around this individual, in order to turn them into a collaborator or something of the sort….

Any information that might enable extortion of an individual is considered relevant information. Whether said individual is of a certain sexual orientation, cheating on his wife, or in need of treatment in Israel or the West Bank – he is a target for blackmail.

Throughout the duration of my service no one in my unit ever asked, at least not out loud, if there is anything wrong with this well-oiled system – whether the transformation of any individual into a target is a legitimate act.

Notice the exploitation of gays and those needing life-or-death medical care:

The period during which I collected information on people who were accused of attacking Israelis, trying to attack Israelis, the desire to harm Israelis, thinking of attacking Israelis, in addition to collecting information on completely innocent people, whose only crime was that they interested the Israeli defence establishment for various reasons. Reasons they have no way of knowing. If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable. If you need emergency medical treatment in Israel, the West Bank or abroad – we searched for you. The state of Israel will allow you to die before we let you leave for treatment without giving information on your wanted cousin.

Any such case, in which you “fish out” an innocent person from whom information might be squeezed, or who could be recruited as a collaborator, was like striking gold for us and for Israel’s entire intelligence community. As such, Palestinians who are not related to or involved in fighting Israel are objectives…

We also talked about what is done with information on a target’s sexual preferences. Here, too, there was some would-be deliberation, but the message was that there is no problem with this issue. As an instructor I said that one should apply one’s own judgment and not always pass on such information.

Americans for Peace Now sent out the story today, and included translated statements from Hebrew media. One reservist makes a direct connection to the eastern European experience:

For D., [the decision to refuse] happened after he was released from the military when he saw the movie, “The Lives of Others,” about Stasi agents from communist East Germany, who eavesdrop on people and invade their personal lives. “I was horrified,” he said. “On the one hand, I identified with the victims, with the oppressed side, whose basic rights were denied. On the other hand, I suddenly understood that in my military service, I was on the side of the oppressor, that we are doing the exact same thing, only in a much more efficient manner.”…

For N. it happened during her military service, when she was present during a targeted killing operation, during which there was a mistake in the identification of the target. “I remember the picture on the screen. The suspect inside an orchard, an explosion, smoke and a mother running. The body was a small, of a child. We understood we screwed up. It was uncomfortable, but we needed to continue in our work.”

“The pilots are not responsible for the killing, because they are carrying out orders, and also those in Unit 8200 are not responsible, because they are only transferring information. So who is supposed to not sleep at night?”

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  1. seafoid
    September 12, 2014, 1:14 pm

    Blackmailing people who need urgent medical treatment is despicable. It’s another of the profoundly cruel costs of a dud Jewish state.
    Deir Yassin didn’t justify it and neither does this.

    • Mayhem
      September 13, 2014, 10:37 am

      How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?
      Yes, it sounds rough but the alternative is rougher.

      • piotr
        September 13, 2014, 11:45 am

        Can you explain why allowing medical care without throwing in blackmail into bargain is “rougher” than without blackmail?

      • Edward Q
        September 13, 2014, 5:56 pm

        Israel occupies the West Bank and Gaza. It is responsible for the well being of the people there. I might add Palestinians are more heavily taxed then Jewish Israelis.

      • eljay
        September 13, 2014, 9:08 pm

        >> Mayhem: How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?

        If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable. If you need emergency medical treatment in Israel, the West Bank or abroad – we searched for you. The state of Israel will allow you to die before we let you leave for treatment without giving information on your wanted cousin.

        So…Israel’s “sworn enemies” aren’t the wanted people, or the people who know those wanted people, but the gay people who know the people who know the wanted people.

        That is seriously f*cked up.

        But, yeah, it’s probably worse in Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      • ckg
        September 13, 2014, 11:11 pm

        If a Gaza resident need medical treatment in Europe, they shouldn’t be subject to blackmail.

      • amigo
        September 14, 2014, 11:54 am

        “How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?
        Yes, it sounds rough but the alternative is rougher. – ” mayhem.

        You don,t get it, do you.

        If you don,t seek them out then you wont have to worry about the “Hippocratic Oath ” and taking care of those you occupy and appearing like the inhumane parasitic deviants you are .

        Your Nation state is about as vile as it gets.One more despicable policy follows another.

        And Israel claims it is a haven for Homosexuals.

        Have you people no shame.What do you use in the place of hearts.Some Israeli invented hi tech plastic blood pump.

        Where do all the broken hearts go??. Dumped on Private Palestinian land I suppose, preferably in their already limited water supply.

      • talknic
        September 15, 2014, 2:26 am

        @ Mayhem “How is Israel obligated to give their sworn enemy the top medical attention?”

        At a guess you’ve been shown the reason why before and I realize taking notice of information is not in your brief, so here for readers who’re actually interested …. “Israel, the Occupying Power” is obliged to make up shortfalls to essential services and goods according to the Geneva conventions, which DO apply, because the West Bank was sovereign to Jordan in 1967. Jordan was a UN Member state and a High Contracting Power in 1967 as was Egypt who occupied Gaza

        Thanks for the opportunity to show other readers …. any more stupid questions?

  2. ckg
    September 12, 2014, 1:25 pm

    Lady Gaga’s Tel Aviv concert will take place on September 13, 2014. Her Twitter ID is @ladygaga .

    • Palikari
      September 13, 2014, 8:02 am

      I don’t like her, but I’m glad she’s coming to Israel. #BDSFail

      • seafoid
        September 14, 2014, 10:25 am

        Surely BDS is insignificant Palikari? Why would you even bother mentioning it ?

  3. seafoid
    September 12, 2014, 1:28 pm

    “For D., happened after he was released from the military when he saw the movie, “The Lives of Others,” about Stasi agents from communist East Germany, who eavesdrop on people and invade their personal lives. “I was horrified,” he said. “On the one hand, I identified with the victims, with the oppressed side, whose basic rights were denied. On the other hand, I suddenly understood that in my military service, I was on the side of the oppressor, that we are doing the exact same thing, only in a much more efficient manner.”…”

    Couldn’t have happened at school while he was being brainwashed. And how many Israelis ever make the connections ?

    • AbigailOK
      September 14, 2014, 2:10 pm

      @seafoid My idea exactly. I read the whole piece last Friday in the Guardian and saw the several videos (there is much more than Weiss excerpted for unknown reasons for why not give it all and also the headline on Mondoweiss is strange: Not only gays are spied upon and extorted to being an informant).

      When I had read the pieces with these guys easily recognizable, their voices not even distorted by computers of something else, and then supposedly intelligence officers who come out of the army and then choose to go into intelligence (!!) and one even reading a piece in English (….for which audience???) without typos and reading the piece without any Israeli accent. I mean: Who are they trying to fool? Are they so desperate for their image?

      I don’t trust this all the more since there is nothing new about whatever they say. Old wine in newly invented transparent bags full of sh*t to my idea.

      Refusing Palestinian people medical treatment happens daily and has for decades even when Palestinians do get a permit to travel for e.g. chemo treatment or radiation or else, at checkpoints, just because some soldier can. If they get permits at all. Israeli’s routinely play games with the lives of innocents.

      Same with women on labor many who died at checkpoints as a result of absence of medical care. Idem sick children. Already for years and years. Yet, all of this is being presented as intelligence officers outing something new? With no news? The news is: There is no news. Nothing new under the occupying sun, so to speak.

      Why don’t I ever read something which shows the real backgrounds for keeping the Palestinians under control and decimating them to the point of extinction at so many levels?

      It has nothing whatsoever to do with national security but everything with being in bed or at least on the payroll of the war and oil industries. Gaza has gas and the Israelis have recently made a multi- billion dollar deal with Jordan to sell Gaza’s gas. Yes, violation of international law but who cares? Israel does not like any law whatsoever. I sent this info to Annie Robbins who apparently did not find this important enough for Mondoweiss. I disagree.

  4. seafoid
    September 12, 2014, 2:41 pm

    What is most disturbing about this is the amorality and the fact that so many Israeli Jews are “just following orders”.

    • gamal
      September 12, 2014, 6:34 pm

      Pilger makes MW seem less cool than it could be, for years everyone has known.

      “The attack on Gaza was an attack on all of us. The siege of Gaza is a siege of all of us. The denial of justice to Palestinians is a symptom of much of humanity under siege and a warning that the threat of a new world war is growing by the day.

      When Nelson Mandela called the struggle of Palestine “the greatest moral issue of our time”, he spoke on behalf of true civilisation, not that which empires invent. In Latin America, the governments of Brazil, Chile, Venezuela, Bolivia, El Salvador, Peru and Ecuador have made their stand on Gaza. Each of these countries has known its own dark silence when immunity for mass murder was sponsored by the same godfather in Washington that answered the cries of children in Gaza with more ammunition to kill them.”

      http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/12/gaza-and-the-threat-of-world-war/

  5. Tuyzentfloot
    September 12, 2014, 2:41 pm

    I thought Israel had been routinely surveilling and blackmailing every Palestinian they could get a hand on for as long as anyone can remember. Stasi on steroids. Including the part where nobody could trust anyone else because they could be collaborator. Remember you need a permit for everything, and if you need something you can expect something to be demanded in return.

  6. Talkback
    September 12, 2014, 2:55 pm

    Imagine a country that would blackmail Jews for being Jews and let’s them die without treatment unless they betray their fellow Jews. Does it ring a bell?

  7. gracie fr
    September 12, 2014, 3:51 pm

    In the largest act of conscientious objection in Israel in more than a decade, more than 40 reservists and veterans of a prestigious army intelligence unit have declared that they refuse further military service because they reject being “tools” of Israeli control over the occupied territories.

    We declare that we refuse to take part in actions against Palestinians and refuse to continue serving as tools in deepening the military control over the occupied territories,” wrote reservists of Unit 8200, many of them still active reservists, which is believed to operate one of the largest listening bases in the world, in a letter to army chief of staff Lt. Gen Benny Gantz and published in Israeli media today.

    “There is no distinction between Palestinians who are and are not involved in violence,” they wrote. “Information that is collected harms innocent people. It is used for political persecution and to create divisions within Palestinian society by recruiting collaborators and driving parts of Palestinian society against itself. Intelligence allows for the continued control over millions of people through thorough and intrusive supervision and invasion of most areas of life.”

    “Any such case, in which you ‘fish out’ an innocent person from whom information might be squeezed or who could be recruited as a collaborator was like striking gold for us”. Another reservist recounted how to boost morale, commanders of unit 8200 would play for the troops intercepted conversations of Palestinian couples arguing or of Palestinians having phone sex. ’’Sex talk was considered entertainment. Phone sex was always considered a hit.” the soldier recalled.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/former-members-of-israeli-army-intelligence-unit-condemn-their-own-coercion-techniques-9729240.html

    • seafoid
      September 12, 2014, 5:00 pm

      “In the largest act of conscientious objection in Israel in more than a decade, more than 40 ”

      There are 176,500 soldiers in the IDF and “more than 40 are conscientious objectors”. There are more transsexuals in the IDF than people of conscience. Total brainwash.

      • gracie fr
        September 13, 2014, 3:30 pm

        …..It’s the bulk number of 40 all at once which is considered remarkable (They were given a “dishonorable discharge” and made persona non grata). Refusniks and soldiers from Breaking the Silence denounce Israeli military actions in dribbles, one here one there. This is considered a large group from a “prestigious army intelligence unit” to boot…

      • AbigailOK
        September 14, 2014, 2:18 pm

        Right. It is total brainwash, Seafoid. And Gracie fr keeps pushing the blah button. The refuseniks did not get any dishonorable discharge. They disappeared into jails. Time and again. Time and again. Time and again. Nowadays refuseniks are pestered by being forced to wear army uniforms (kindergarten stuff, really, but psychopaths are actually stuck in earlier childhood with a violent, sadistic twist to their mental state) and clean toilets and things. Being harassed. Very honorably, of course. Goes without saying.

        The Bullshit Factor is very large with some.

  8. RobertB
    September 12, 2014, 4:48 pm

    The Israeli apartheid zionist sytemt=the nazi sytem!

    BTW, just ask ole Bill Clinton about his phone conversation with Monika Lewinsky… who recorded the calls…and who tried to blackmail him in order to have Jonathan Pollard released…?

  9. seafoid
    September 12, 2014, 5:59 pm

    Violence and injustice are not Jewish values

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.615476
    “Our power thankfully gives us the privilege and the obligation to ask, “Will you sweep away the innocent with the guilty?” (Genesis 18:23) The debate is certainly about the wellbeing of our soldiers and our citizens. But, it is also about what we have wrought in Gaza. Saying, “We’re heartbroken, but it’s Hamas’ fault” is a kanei ratzutz (a bent reed used as a sop to our conscience) if we could have defended ourselves without the carnage and/or if we could have avoided the situation all together.
    I also believe that the wellbeing of my children and society is best served by moving beyond endless cycles of violence. Hillel the Elder saw a skull floating in water and declared, “You were drowned because you drowned others. Those who drowned you will themselves be drowned” (Pirkei Avot 2:7). The big picture is that violence doesn’t serve our interests. Neither does injustice: “The sword comes into the world because of justice delayed and justice denied” (Pirkei Avot 5:11). “

    • Mooser
      September 12, 2014, 7:05 pm

      Seafoid, be patient. If the Palestinians are, God forbid, destroyed as any kind of a polity, there will be an national Israeli orgy of guilt, self-recrimination, finger-pointing, and Palestinian chic.

      • Talkback
        September 13, 2014, 3:09 am

        Not at all, Mooser.

        Palestinians will be declared as being “Amalektites in our generation” and a national holiday to celebrate the genocide will be implemented.

      • Mooser
        September 13, 2014, 11:08 am

        “Not at all, Mooser.”

        Oh, ye of little faith.
        I think my scenario is much more likely. I expect Palitemkin villages to be erected, with cultural exhibitions. All parts played by Israelis, of course. They will become part of the Birthright tours.

      • adele
        September 15, 2014, 11:53 am

        Mooser, you’re a psychic! :-)

        Bedouin Experiences in Israel courtesy of the ethnic cleansers:

        Sleeping in Bedouin Tents
        The ultimate Bedouin experience is, of course, sleeping in the famous Bedouin tents in the peaceful desert. This experience is becoming incredibly popular for groups visiting Israel, whilst the tents are also being used more and more for celebrations such as weddings, Bar Mitzvahs, and birthdays.

        There are a large number of centers in Israel offering authentic Bedouin hospitality experiences
        http://www.touristisrael.com/bedouin-hospitality/455/

        **Cringe-worthy**

      • Mooser
        September 15, 2014, 12:27 pm

        “cringe-worthy”

        Apparently suffering from Ziocaine Syndrome interferes with a proper cringe-response capacity, so it’s hard for them to see it.

  10. JWalters
    September 12, 2014, 6:28 pm

    The American military also uses (or used) blackmail of gays. Here’s an interview with an ex-military wife who gives details.

  11. justicewillprevail
    September 12, 2014, 6:41 pm

    Interesting how these people eventually came to realise the Stasi-like nature of their surveillance and exploitation of other human beings. Even steeped in zionist ideology their revulsion at what passed for normal in their jobs as killers, jailers and humiliators came through in the end. Respect to them for coming out, given the febrile hysteria that prevails in israel. Like Breaking the Silence, they will be despised, attacked and then ignored, but it is a glimmer of hope amongst barbarism. One can only hope that others will listen, although given the herd mentality and the impunity they are granted by the US, it is unlikely. But it is evidence of all we have come to know about the bankruptcy of Israel and its stunningly brutal occupation. Note that Gaza was not considered any different to the West Bank, thus exposing the lie that israel does not occupy Gaza. Pretty weird to try and maintain that you are a democracy in any meaningful sense of the word once you read this stuff. A messianic military garrison state occupying and controlling millions of people without basic human rights has no justification to crow about ‘democracy’, ‘western’ values, or anything in fact. A failed state, propped up by a military regime masquerading as a civilian government. A junta, like its partner in crime against gaza.

  12. RoHa
    September 12, 2014, 8:40 pm

    Israelis use blackmail. Surprise surprise.

  13. Shingo
    September 13, 2014, 12:33 am

    There goes all that pinkwashing down the drain

  14. seafoid
    September 13, 2014, 12:39 am

    Mooser

    As Neil Postman, a true Mensch, once said

    “One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of crap”

    And this insight is very Zen when talking about Zionism. Or any other systematic thuggery.

    • Pretext
      September 14, 2014, 9:24 am

      You might say that it’s an arms race between those that struggle against the veneration of crap, and those who sell it. In the 30’s, mass media was pretty new and people were easily sold. Today it just requires a bit more sophistication.

      • AbigailOK
        September 14, 2014, 2:26 pm

        But uses the same foul tricks and underlying psychological workings. Goebbels c.s. revisited. Of course, in the name of national security.

        Until they will be sent off. And they will. That’s also the swing of the pendulum. History repeats itself. In different ways, but still. So some can cry foul over a peaceful and justifiable BDS like in South-Africa Apartheid era: same will happen here. Fascists never stay in power forever. Thank God.

  15. amigo
    September 13, 2014, 5:14 am

    The hasbarists jumped like flies on s–t when Hamas shot the collaborators in Gaza.

    This new information would have been useful to shut them up and put a stop to their fake concern for Palestinians.

    Israel never ceases to amaze me by they new lows they reach .

    It is truly a disgusting and vile nation.

    • Walker
      September 13, 2014, 5:39 pm

      Israel never ceases to amaze me by they new lows they reach .

      What’s really shocking is that although this behavior has been going on in a big way since 1967, and has obviously been well known and copiously reported upon by the Palestinians themselves, it doesn’t become validated as news until it’s announced by a bunch of Jewish ex-service men and women. This is not right.

      • amigo
        September 14, 2014, 9:10 am

        it doesn’t become validated as news until it’s announced by a bunch of Jewish ex-service men and women. This is not right. ” Walker.

        Agreed Walker, but Israel commits so many crimes and vile acts , it is hard to remember them all.

        This one is particularly notable as zionists have been active pointing to the recent execution by Hamas of collaborators .I wonder how many of those were created by Israel who then has the audacity to point to the crime they were a part and parcel of.

      • AbigailOK
        September 14, 2014, 2:28 pm

        @ Walker +1!

  16. Marnie
    September 13, 2014, 5:56 am

    From the curb right down into the sewer, or, just when I think the bar has been set at it’s lowest point…..

    • adele
      September 15, 2014, 11:58 am

      One of Israel’s many talents is that it continuously outdoes itself in its acts of depravity. The bar level is at -10 and plunging lower by the day.

  17. Kay24
    September 13, 2014, 6:49 am

    Look at the company they like to keep. Israel and Belarus infamous for human rights violations, sign visa agreement. Finding a friend among the condemned.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.615538

    • Palikari
      September 13, 2014, 8:04 am

      Great! All Belarus citizens are welcome in Israel. More money to Israel, and great moments of joy for them.

      • Shingo
        September 13, 2014, 8:42 pm

        All Belarus citizens are welcome in Israel.

        Especially if they are right wing fascists, in which case, they will fit right in.

      • Mayhem
        September 13, 2014, 11:14 pm

        According to Shingo left wing fascists are fine.

      • Shingo
        September 13, 2014, 11:57 pm

        According to Shingo left wing fascists are fine.

        Are you drinking while blogging again Mayhem? I said no such thing, especially given that a left wing fascists is about a nonsensical and a right wing communist.

      • amigo
        September 14, 2014, 9:01 am

        “Great! All Belarus citizens are welcome in Israel. More money to Israel, and great moments of joy for them. ” palikari

        How long will it take to do 9 million conversions???.

        Or did you have in mind another group of sub humans to do the bidding of Jewish Israeli supremacists.

      • Mooser
        September 14, 2014, 10:56 am

        This is awful! Don’t you guys recognize the symptoms of Jewish PTSD?

  18. michelle
    September 13, 2014, 9:13 am

    .
    the winners of the limbo
    it’s a three way tie
    America
    Israel
    North Korea
    .
    G-d Bless every & all
    .

  19. eGuard
    September 13, 2014, 6:14 pm

    Let’s ask professor Katherine Franke. She dealt with pinkwashing before (while dealing secretly with Zionists).

    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/benjamin-doherty/pro-bds-columbia-profs-gathering-anti-bds-j-street-and-zionist-lgbt-groups

  20. Mayhem
    September 13, 2014, 9:23 pm

    While MW pettifoggs Israel deals with existential threats.
    While Israel resorts to rough tactics to fight an enemy, that enemy practises truly brutal methods with gays by persecuting them relentlessly.
    The Israeli objectors have been appropriately condemned by Israeli Defence Minister Ya’alon at
    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Israeli-conscientious-objectors-letter-draws-condemnation-from-politicos-ex-army-men-375234.
    Labor Party chairman and opposition chief Isaac Herzog put it aptly:
    “I’m not saying that mistakes aren’t made. There may have been [as mentioned in the letter], and Israel’s military history is replete with them. But there are ways to lodge protests and to bring these issues to the attention of the relevant authorities. I also think that there are ways to bring about change whenever one has a sense that an injustice has been committed, but not by encouraging the refusal of orders or launching a global media campaign that is damaging, the price for which will be paid by us, the citizens of Israel.”
    And so we see it, the obsessed delegitimizers like MW drooling at this fresh opportunity to slander Israel, which they continue to do to the neglect of the bigger picture.

    • Shingo
      September 13, 2014, 11:03 pm

      While MW pettifoggs Israel deals with existential threats.

      Yawn. Israel’s idea of an existential threat is the prospect of a settler breaking a fingernail while building an illegal settlement on stolen land. Whether it be outing gays or killing babies, there is nothing you Zio supremacists won’t justify to protect your apartheid europia.

      And as for relentless persecuting Israel doesn’t discriminate between gays Palestinians and non gay.

      The Israeli objectors have been appropriately condemned by Israeli Defence Minister Ya’alon

      Ya’alon, who has a habit of shooting off his mouth and crawling back into his hole, is no longer taken seriously by anyone.
      Ya’alon apologizes to US for inflammatory comments
      http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.613586

      Labor Party chairman and opposition chief Isaac Herzog put it aptly:

      Aplty but completely dishonestly. These policies are not mistakes, they are deliberate and intentional.

    • ziusudra
      September 14, 2014, 5:55 am

      Greetings Mayhem,
      …I’m not saying that mistakes aren’t made…..

      said the slave owner to the slaves……..
      I will once again talk to my overseer……
      ziusudra

    • justicewillprevail
      September 14, 2014, 10:30 am

      Ha ha, yes behaving like the Stasi, overseeing and spying on a captive population who you deny rights to – why that’s just a minor detail which only ‘pettifogging’ and nitpicking whiners would even notice. Old Eastern European regimes, despots and dictators everywhere, oppressive, repressive governments – only pettifoggers would dream of criticising these fine examples of democracy and human rights. Focus on the big picture, which is … us, it’s always about us zionists, so poor and downtrodden in our luxury condos and subsidised housing, armed to the teeth and given free money by the US taxpayer – don’t you know how oppressed we are?

    • talknic
      September 17, 2014, 7:11 pm

      @ Mayhem “.. Israel deals with existential threats”

      Uh huh. Like the Palestinians being willing to forgo 78% of their rightful territory for peace with Israel.

      An amazingly generous offer so existentially threatening, that Israel ignored it in preference for illegally acquiring more and more non-Israeli territory, building more illegal settlements, endangered more of its citizens by assisting them to illegally settle in non-Israeli territories under Israeli occupation in breach BTW of a Geneva Convention adopted to protect ALL civilians including those of an “Occupying Power” from the almost certain violent consequences of occupying another people and their territory.

      What kind of a stupid, mindnumbingly idiotic govt does that to its own people? Furthermore what kind of a stupid mindnumbingly idiotic person supports such a stupid mindnumbingly idiotic idea?

      ” …. Israel resorts to rough tactics to fight an enemy, that enemy practises truly brutal methods with gays by persecuting them relentlessly”

      Ah, so Israel is killing innocent civilians to protect gays in Gaza, building a separation barrier on non-Israeli territory to protect gays in the West Bank … amazing. No gays ever killed as collateral by Israel’s hi tech US funded weaponry Mayhem? Israel has special pinpoint accurate gay averting munitions, right? And of course Israel doesn’t blackmail Palestinian gays … right?

      “And so we see it, the obsessed delegitimizers like MW…”

      Drawing attention to Israel delegitimizing itself is not delegitimization by MW. When someone in the family says the car has a flat tyre endangering the family, they don’t cause the flat tyre you stupid stupid person.

      Go whine to the Zionist Federation who’re responsible for this mess. It was after all their stupid idea to bank on having have a separate Jewish state, forgoing the right as Israeli Jews to live anywhere in the Jewish People’s Historic homeland, a right our Jewish fellows had under Article 7 of the LoN Mandate for Palestine

  21. OlegR
    September 14, 2014, 3:35 pm

    You kinda missing the point Israel is a gay friendly country while PA and Arab society isn’t.
    And our intelligence agencies use these faults in our enemies society to gather information.
    It’s not pretty but neither is the regular practice of intelligence agencies of blackmailing people with extramarital affairs.

    • Shingo
      September 14, 2014, 6:03 pm

      You kinda missing the point Israel is a gay friendly country while PA and Arab society isn’t.

      That claim is clearly debunked by this report. Being gay friendly surely includes the respect for the privacy of gay people, which has to include not outing them against their wishes.

      And our intelligence agencies use these faults in our enemies society to gather information.

      It’s called blackmail Oleg and it’s a violation of human rights.

      • Mooser
        September 14, 2014, 7:38 pm

        “It’s called blackmail Oleg and it’s a violation of human rights.”

        Shingo, when someone gets used to Zionism blackmailing them because they are Jewish, it’s very hard for them to recognize blackmail when it is done to anybody else. They think it is just normal life.

  22. Marco
    September 14, 2014, 5:08 pm

    Philip, I believe Mondoweiss should cover the NY Times excreble reporting on this story.

    Look at Isabel Kershner’s story today, which is buried down the page on their website: “Israeli Military Threatens to Discipline Veterans Involved in Protest Over Intelligence Activities”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/15/world/middleeast/israeli-military-threatens-to-discipline-veterans-involved-in-protest-over-intelligence-activities.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHeadline&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

    From the headline on down, the story completely downplays what the IDF veterans were protesting. There’s zero mention of the Israeli military blackmailing Palestinian gays and the gravely ill. Instead, much of the article consists of Israeli’s being quoted denouncing the protesting soldiers.

  23. italian ex-pat
    September 14, 2014, 9:25 pm

    Hi, I’m new here in the comment section, although a long time reader of MW.

    I read the NYT article by J Rudoren yesterday with some surprise, it’s more the kind of article one expects to find in The Guardian, where it had in fact already appeared. Of course, today’s follow-up by Kirshner is basically a whitewashing of the charges made by the 43 “renegades”, who are accused by Minister Ya’alon of making up lies for personal “political gains” – perhaps he could elaborate as to what those gains might be.

    What really gets me is how he and others espress disgust with soldiers who refuse to obey order’

  24. italian ex-pat
    September 14, 2014, 9:32 pm

    Sorry, my tablet is playing games with me. I was saying that what gets me is how they insist that soldiers must obey orders no matter how repugnant – wasn’t that the defense of the Nazis at Nuremberg?

  25. talknic
    September 15, 2014, 2:38 am

    Israel purposefully chose to occupy the Palestinians and their territory. Israel is a UN Member State. UN Member states are obliged to the UN Charter in its entirety, no exceptions

    UN Charter Chapt XI Article 73

    Members of the United Nations which have or assume responsibilities for the administration of territories whose peoples have not yet attained a full measure of self-government recognize the principle that the interests of the inhabitants of these territories are paramount, and accept as a sacred trust the obligation to promote to the utmost, within the system of international peace and security established by the present Charter, the well-being of the inhabitants of these territories, and, to this end:

    to ensure, with due respect for the culture of the peoples concerned, their political, economic, social, and educational advancement, their just treatment, and their protection against abuses;
    to develop self-government, to take due account of the political aspirations of the peoples, and to assist them in the progressive development of their free political institutions, according to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and their varying stages of advancement;
    to further international peace and security;
    to promote constructive measures of development, to encourage research, and to co-operate with one another and, when and where appropriate, with specialized international bodies with a view to the practical achievement of the social, economic, and scientific purposes set forth in this Article; and
    to transmit regularly to the Secretary-General for information purposes, subject to such limitation as security and constitutional considerations may require, statistical and other information of a technical nature relating to economic, social, and educational conditions in the territories for which they are respectively responsible other than those territories to which Chapters XII and XIII apply.

    Article 74

    Members of the United Nations also agree that their policy in respect of the territories to which this Chapter applies, no less than in respect of their metropolitan areas, must be based on the general principle of good-neighbourliness, due account being taken of the interests and well-being of the rest of the world, in social, economic, and commercial matters.

    Israel fails on every point

  26. Kathleen
    September 16, 2014, 10:23 am

    On Monday evening Rachel Maddow had retired Colonel Andrew Bacevich on her program to discuss IS in Iraq. Bacevich pointed out that the environment in the region would not change with military attacks. He brought up the Israel Palestine conflict (which has been out of view in the MSM again). Worth the watch and listen

  27. unverified__5ilf90kd
    September 16, 2014, 11:32 pm

    And remember that NSA has been giving “all” of its telephone calls and internet data with all identifiers to Israel for many years and this info goes to the boys at unit 8200. Snowden has already made this very clear. We should be be very angry.

    • American
      September 17, 2014, 10:14 am

      Exactly. Aided by the US.
      NSA giving Israel all the info they collect unfiltered is one way Isr uses that info–to identify and target Palestine and others.

      Israel’s N.S.A. Scandal

      By JAMES BAMFORD SEPT. 16, 201

      How Israel uses the info given to them by the US’s NSA

      http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/opinion/israels-nsa-scandal.html?_r=0

      This is a good example of why I keep saying BWTTGASO–Burn Washington to the Ground and Start Over.
      American gov is so infected by Israel and its agents there is no way to get them out except a wholesale upheaval.

      Until them what we need to ask about ever policy involving Israel is Who Authorized it? Give us the names.

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