Wiesel lauds settlers for ‘strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem’ — and expelling Palestinians

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From Elisheva Goldberg’s Facebook page:

Remember when you read “Night” in middle school and you wondered how such agony could be turned into so much hope? With deep disappointment and sadness I’d like to bring your attention to an ad on Haaretz’s page 3, today. I’ll just remind you that Elad (the organ that placed this ad) Is systematically expelling Palestinians from their homes. Here’s what it says [in translation from the Hebrew]:

elad“As Sukkot begins, we are thrilled to bless the tens of new families joining us at this time in the Jewish settlement in the City of David. We salute the Zionist action in Jerusalem of those involved. Strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem is a challenge that we all face and with this act of settlement you are raising our stature. Together with you we will receive the pilgrims, the holiday visitors. We value and cherish you.”

Signed: ELI WIESEL, Chairman of Elad Public Council and (unbelievably) Nobel Laureate.

h/t Amit Gvaryahu

More on the ethnic cleansing of Silwan by Elad at +972.

The U.S. has given lip service to opposing Jewish settlements like this. I’d remind you that Elie Wiesel has been embraced at the White House as a signal of Obama’s support for Israel, accompanied Obama to Buchenwald. He has said that he is writing a book with Obama.

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  1. American
    October 10, 2014, 11:21 am

    I think by now Wiesel has proven himself to be a fraud and holocaust ‘opportunist.’
    Its a dirty gig but it no doubt pays well.

    • Krauss
      October 10, 2014, 3:16 pm

      Wiesel has long been a Jewish supremacist, just like Abe Foxman.

      That people haven’t caught them on that for so long is probably something that someone should write a book about, because this issue transcends the Jewish community. How people who pose as anti-racists in the U.S. can be ethnic supremacists abroad.

      The American race discussion hasn’t really understood that issue really well, which both Wiesel and Foxman show.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 10, 2014, 5:02 pm

      Normal Finkelstein had Irgun Elie’s number many years ago.

    • lysias
      October 10, 2014, 5:37 pm

      “Charlatan” is the word I have used for him for some time.

      • catporn
        October 11, 2014, 10:24 am

        Mine are much stronger and require physical contact.

    • MRW
      October 11, 2014, 3:07 am

      My friend, Elie Wiesel’s nephew, died last Sunday night in Romania. Now I can say what Elie’s family from Sighet (Romania, where Elie was born) told me to my face. Elie Wiesel was never at Auschwitz and he made up Night. “He’s all bullshit,” they said. They laughed at him, and at “the stupid Americans” for believing him.

      • eGuard
        October 11, 2014, 11:31 am

        There is a story that, before picking up his Nobel prize, a meeting with a fellow Auschwitz survivor was arranged. The fellow did not recognize Wiesel.

        (Last time I wrote this story here, with links, it was removed so I can not substantiate this)

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 11:35 am

        “Elie Wiesel was never at Auschwitz and he made up Night. “

        That is very interesting.

      • DoubleStandard
        October 11, 2014, 6:48 pm

        I’m pretty sure Holocaust denial is against the comment rules here, and this is an offspring of it.

      • MRW
        October 11, 2014, 11:43 pm

        @Mooser,

        Yeah, I alluded to it here nearly four years ago. I never expected my friend to go first. http://mondoweiss.net/2011/01/birthright-israel-calls-on-its-alumni-to-take-back-zionism.html

      • catporn
        October 12, 2014, 8:04 am

        It’s probably a moot point by now, he’s a chancer that’s benefitted enormously from the suffering of others, he’s not the first.

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 6:12 pm

        “Yeah, I alluded to it here nearly four years ago. I never expected my friend to go first.”

        I send my sympathy for your loss of a friend.

      • Kathleen
        October 13, 2014, 10:36 am

        Yikes….I believed him and yet was always saddened that he seemed completely unable to apply accountability across the board to any group of people.

    • Pixel
      October 17, 2014, 8:00 pm

      Wiesel will never be proven a fraud.

      Why not?

      Because he’s one of the people Oprah admires most in the world.

  2. Giles
    October 10, 2014, 11:28 am

    Wiesel has always been a transparent fraud, it seems to me. He so overacts his world weary saint who has seen it all act that I am shocked by how successfully he sells it

    • Stephen Shenfield
      October 12, 2014, 7:27 am

      Even if Wiesel were completely honest and even if he were neutral on the I-P conflict, I would still not understand why he should be so admired and celebrated merely for talking about the suffering of Jews, i.e., “his own” people. It is the most commonplace thing in the world to care about “one’s own” people. Tibetans, Scots, Greeks, Vietnamese, Ibo, and so ad infinitum — they all care about “their own.” Only those who care about people who are not “their own” and especially about people who are the victims and enemies of “their own” deserve any kudos or respect.

  3. Kathleen
    October 10, 2014, 11:29 am

    Always amazing when someone like Wiesel who devoted his life to holding racist murderers who committed genocide accountable… continues to expose his own racism. Sad

    • seafoid
      October 10, 2014, 11:33 am

      He must be carrying a lot of trauma around. He’s like a Bond villain at this stage.
      The Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde mix of deep concern for humanity and contempt for the rights of non Jews- he’s really messed up.

      • Kathleen
        October 10, 2014, 11:51 am

        Sad really. While I can only imagine how deeply disturbing it is to dig down into the depths of hell on earth the way he has and then to hold some accountable for committing such horrific crimes against Jews, Poles, Gypsies etc in mass.

        For Wiesel clear refusal to apply what he knows about hatred, racism, murder to the Palestinians situation sure looks like racism.

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 1:50 pm

        He’s a hypocrite as are all Jews who ask us to remember the Holocaust and who screamed anti-Semitism at anyone who pointed out that Protective Child Killing was deeply wrong.

      • lysias
        October 10, 2014, 5:38 pm

        He also long resisted admitting that the Gypsies were also victims of Nazi genocide.

      • bilal a
        October 10, 2014, 9:34 pm

        The Society of Jesus was the religious order with the largest number of prisoners in Dachau. There were 26 Jesuit priests in the camp, not counting Jesuit lay brothers and seminarians. Because they were so numerous, the Jesuits formed their own community and elected a superior, Fr. Leo DeConinck, SJ, of Belgium. After the war, Fr. DeConinck described his jailers and tormentors: “Never before Dachau had I seen real hatred: eyes aflame with wickedness, mouths twisted in anger at the mere sight of a priest. ”

        Elie Wiesel, who was a child when he was sent to Auschwitz, has said: “Not all victims [of the Nazis] were Jews, but all Jews were victims…. They were doomed not because of something they had done or proclaimed or acquired but because of who they were.” This statement is equally true of the Slavs and the Gypsies whom the Nazis had also marked for extermination. In time, if the Third Reich had triumphed, it might have become true for all Christians, since Hitler saw the Church as an implacable enemy.
        http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=472

    • John Douglas
      October 10, 2014, 1:14 pm

      I have to say I’m not amazed or disappointed in Wiesel because I am not surprised. I concluded for myself in the 1980s that he, with his drooping locks and basset hound eyes, was a fraud when he proclaimed that a silent, prayerful Carmelite convent near the sight of the Auschwitz horrors would be a “desecration” of the Jewish deaths that happened there.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      October 10, 2014, 5:06 pm

      ”Wiesel who devoted his life to holding racist murderers who committed genocide accountable…”

      I’m not sure this is an accurate description of Wiesel’s life.

      Seems to me he is, as Finkelstein has been saying for years, the ultimate Holocaust Industry Spokesman. He has made millions from packaging – not always truthfully – his own personal tragedy, touring the world giving highly paid speeches on the ‘uniqueness of the holocaust’ and, of course, promoting the idea that only Jews can ever be true victims. Wasn’t he one of the ones most vehemently opposed to including non Jewish victims in the Washington holocaust memorial museum? Hasn’t he also opposed any recognition of the Armenian genocide, though possibly, like many Zionists, he’s done an about turn on that since relations with Turkey went sour? Then, of course, there’s his enthusiastic support for any war crime, so long as it’s committed by Israel.

      He doesn’t seem to me like someone who holds racist murderers accountable. In fact, I’d say he’s more of a used car salesman, and a racist one at that.

  4. Kathleen
    October 10, 2014, 11:30 am

    The Cenk Uygar analysis of the Maher, Harris, Affleck confrontation is amazing…You tube. Listening again

    • seafoid
      October 10, 2014, 1:51 pm

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 2:01 pm

        It’s really excellent, Kathleen

      • adele
        October 10, 2014, 2:25 pm

        my brain seriously needed a detoxification, thanks for posting this!!

      • gracie fr
        October 10, 2014, 3:04 pm

        Well, what Bill Maher said is a perfect example of what I call liberal Islamophobia, which is to take up liberal themes, such as human rights, women’s rights, the rights of gays and lesbians, the right to free speech, and so on and makes a case of the so-called Muslim world, like it is one big monolith in which these rights are uniformly denied to people, and then proceeds to equate, in essence, the politics of ISIS with the politics of the 1.5 billion people who practice Islam.
        …..The narrative that gets constructed in the West and that Bill Maher and people like that are echoing is the clash of civilizations rhetoric, which was coined by Bernard Lewis and then popularized by Samuel Huntington.[It] is the idea that in the post-Cold War period, conflict would no longer be political, it will be cultural, and that there were seven or eight civilizations, each with their own uniqueness –the West and the Islamic world and so on–and that they are bound to conflict with each other….[during]the course of the Cold War, when it was clear that the secular nationalists, (Gamal Abdel Nasser in Egypt or Mohammad Mosaddegh in Iran), couldn’t be co-opted to serve the U.S.’s interests in the region, the key policy from 1958 on with the Eisenhower doctrine was to create an Islamic bulwark to act as a counter to secular nationalism…..In fact, the language that they used in the State Department is that they wanted the Saudi monarch to be an Islamic Pope and to use the legitimacy of being the guardians of Mecca and Medina to actually push people away from secularism. And Saudi Arabia had a very systematic program of Islamization, whether it was distributing Qurans for free, whether it was giving tons of petrodollars for setting up madrasas all over. Not just in the Middle East, but even in Pakistan they set up schools and colleges and send their preachers there and so forth. And the end result is the mujahideen, is al-Qaeda.

        http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12506

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 5:28 pm

        I despise warmongers who use the issue of Western gay lifestyles to demonise brown people so they can be dehumanized and attacked.

        Maher is an asshole. He knows nothing about same sex relationships in Asia.
        http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/

        Christian societies in fact have been amongst the most backward in accepting same sex relationships, as a trip to Alabama will prove. Even groovy US states like Vermont were very late coming to the party.

        And it wasn’t that long ago that Matthew Shepherd was beaten, tortured and left to die in Wyoming because he wasn’t straight. Who the fuck are Americans to lecture Muslims on homosexuality ? Is there only one way to express your sexuality ?

      • catporn
        October 11, 2014, 11:35 am

        @seafoid It’s funny to listen to their righteous proclamations of equality for the lgbt community in the West, as if it’s been centuries since any discrimination existed “Yes, pretty much since the ancient Athenians until now attitudes have been the same.. bar the odd incident here and there by a misguided minority”. Meanwhile off camera homophobia is rife.

      • seafoid
        October 11, 2014, 2:06 pm

        @Catporn

        And Fox using gay rights as a stick to beat brown people with- it’s incoherent
        How many Fox viewers would be happy with a gay child ?

      • catporn
        October 12, 2014, 7:51 am

        The whole paradigm is really confusing for your average Fox viewer, they’re desperate to use any weapon in their arsenal against the Muslims and Russians, who they’ve been taught to hate, and that includes the moral high ground, which Fox couldn’t find with a Lockheed U-2. Add to that the racist and homophobic sub text on the channel, the innate Christian belief in only Adam and Eve, never Adam and Steve, and the general intolerance of ‘different’. You end up with an audience cheering for gay equality abroad but detesting it at home.
        Maybe some where along the line they’ll start believing their own hype and some good will come of it.

    • Marnie
      October 11, 2014, 2:43 am

      That was exellent. Bill’s o’reilly and maher are accomplished liars and I can’t figure out why they are still given air time.

      • catporn
        October 12, 2014, 7:55 am

        Sadly they’ve got an enormous fan base.

    • MRW
      October 11, 2014, 3:48 am

      OT-ish, but related to this.

      To all who live in NYC, You might want to see this film. You have until October 14.

      I just listened to a BBC World Service (show: Weekend, Oct. 11) interview of Vanessa Lapa, an Israeli documentary filmmaker, who made The Decent One…but wait until you hear what she said! First the blurb from NYC’s Film Forum website:

      We can have but one desire as to what is said about us: These German officers, these German soldiers – they were decent.” – Heinrich Himmler. A recently discovered cache of hundreds of personal letters, diaries, and photographs belonging to the Nazi Gestapo chief seems to reveal a thoughtful, loving husband and devoted father to his daughter, Gudrun. The documents were hidden in Tel Aviv for decades and sold to the father of the Israeli documentary filmmaker, Vanessa Lapa. She has fashioned a fascinating case study: a portrait of the man responsible for some of the worst atrocities of the Second World War, who thought of himself in heroic terms. Psychologists, historians, and moralists have long debated how seemingly ordinary people can do monstrous things. The jaw-dropping discrepancies Lapa discovers between Himmler’s self-image and his historical role cast a new, piercing light on the human capacity for self-delusion.

      She is showing it across the US.

      In the interview (which we can’t access online from the US) with the BBC announcer and another British guy, she says that–and this is a rough paraphrase–considering all that Jews went through in the Holocaust, it is stunning to her that the Israelis would treat the Palestinians as they do. She was describing the reactions to her film before Berlin and Tel Aviv audiences, how it hit them in totally different ways. She said Israelis couldn’t see the similarities in themselves.

      Apparently the film is riveting. The British guy had seen it and described it effusively. But when Lapa said that it was imperative for Israelis to realize that what they were doing to the Palestinians is no different than what the ‘decent, loving Germans’ had done during WWII, the BBC announcer asked the other British guy to comment. Mr. British guy said, “I’m not going there!” Lapa said this is an essential conversation to have and that we must have it. She said that we cannot shove our history under the rug because it’s unpleasant. Mr. British guy said, “Well…I…I, I, I…don’t agree with many of the things you’re saying.” Clearly caught off guard and awkward moment, especially with hundreds of millions of BBC listeners are on the other end. Lapa was not being passionate; she was quiet and reflective.

      She kept it up saying that maybe she will be able to provoke a conversation in Los Angeles ‘because it must be had’ until the BBC announcer managed to get her to change the subject.

      THE DECENT ONE
      12:30, 2:40, 4:50, 7:00, 9:15
      Through Tuesday, October 14
      209 West Houston St. west of 6th Ave.

  5. pabelmont
    October 10, 2014, 11:57 am

    Sukkot is, among other things, or so I believe, a sort of thanksgiving, a celebration of the harvest. The booths are temporary structures which may be and sometimes are set up in agricultural settings.

    The Jews of Israel have a great harvest to celebrate, in these dark times of hatred, a harvest of thorns.

    BTW, my late wife, who grew up in Ramallah, Palestine (Mandate), told me that at harvest time the Palestinian farmers used to set up temporary shelters in their fields partly to be closer to the work of harvesting (not so far to walk from home) and partly to discourage robbers. Her opinion was that this was a practice “from time immemorial” and that the Jewish custom (of booths) might have sprung from ancient customary agricultural practice.

    • amigo
      October 10, 2014, 12:05 pm

      “Her opinion was that this was a practice “from time immemorial “. Pabelmont.

      Maybe Joan Peters could give us her spin on the subject .The opposite to her input would be the truth.

  6. amigo
    October 10, 2014, 12:02 pm

    Unfortunately , it is not possible to revoke a Nobel prize .If it were we could start with Obama and the Weasel.

    I wonder how many innocent people died as a result of weasel,s hunt for Nazis.He is now supporting ethnic cleansing and State Terrorism.

    If people like him make public statements like this, just what is he saying behind closed , “Zionist “doors.

    When will old Abe Foxman chime in on someone praising the expelling of Palestinians.
    Are all hypocrites zionists or are all zionists hypocrites.

    • a blah chick
      October 10, 2014, 3:03 pm

      “I wonder how many innocent people died as a result of weasel,s hunt for Nazis.He is now supporting ethnic cleasing and State Terror.”

      He was a journalist affiliated with the Irgun back in the day, so he’s always supported ethnic cleansing.

  7. Kay24
    October 10, 2014, 12:09 pm

    Wiesel, is disappointing. Perhaps we did not read him right. He is deep down a strong zionist whose first priority is Israel, right or wrong. The world knows the settlers are ruthless, and even referred to as terrorist (activities) by the US State Department, so why are people like him ignoring the facts? Wiesel could have done the right thing and helped bring focus on the plight of the Palestinians, but made the wrong decision. He wants the illegal settlers get a legitimacy the world does not give.

  8. Patrick
    October 10, 2014, 12:44 pm

    It’s important to note that this is a recurring theme with Wiesel. On April 16 2010, published an open letter to Obama in the Washington Post urging Obama to back off putting any pressure on Israel, and claiming special Jewish privilege over Jerusalem, that is all of Jerusalem.

    Phil wrote about this at the time:
    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/wiesel-to-obama-laissez-les-bontemps-rouler-en-jerusalem

  9. Steve Macklevore
    October 10, 2014, 1:56 pm

    Wiesel is that most repulsive of all specimens; the pious bigot.

  10. eljay
    October 10, 2014, 2:04 pm

    Wiesel: I say “Never again!” Well, unless it’s good for the Jews, in which case I say “Again and again! But only when it’s ‘necessary’, and if you’re too weak to do the dirty work yourself” – that’s right, ‘liberal Zionists’, I’m talkin’ to you – “hold your nose and support your hardier co-collectivists.”

  11. ivri
    October 10, 2014, 2:45 pm

    It is of little surprise that Wiesel is deeply supportive of the Zionist project. Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust and even view it as a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel, don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendants) an dhow deeply it affects their thinking and attitudes. By its enormity It has transformed people completely and it is in Israel, as well as in pro-Israel attitudes in the US (and other European Jews destinations), where this finds its clearest and most acute expression. While Zionism began its journey before the Holocaust it was the latter that gave it a new dimension of conviction and the vitality and perseverance, which enabled it to overcome, again and again, apparent insurmountable difficulties.

    • eljay
      October 10, 2014, 6:26 pm

      >> ivreee: While Zionism began its journey before the Holocaust it was the latter that gave it a new dimension of conviction and the vitality and perseverance, which enabled it to overcome, again and again, apparent insurmountable difficulties.

      In other words, an act of gross injustice and immorality against Jews became justification for an act of gross injustice and immorality by Jews.

      Zio-supremacism tarnishes Jews, Judaism and the Holocaust…and Zio-supremacists love it.

    • Mooser
      October 10, 2014, 6:41 pm

      “Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust and even view it as a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel,”

      So the Government of Israel helped finance the film “Shoah” purely for artistic reasons?

    • just
      October 10, 2014, 8:18 pm

      “Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust”

      ivri, please do provide us with links to your “some people here” allegation.

      Do.

      • adele
        October 10, 2014, 10:27 pm

        Yes, Ivri, do show us your evidence.

        And then why don’t we discuss all the instances of abuse anti/non-zionist holocaust survivors have received for speaking out against the crimes of zionism endured by Palestinians.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 1:24 pm

        “Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust”

        Well, if your standard for “belittling the Holocaust” is not insisting on the exclusivity of Jewish suffering, you might be right, Ivri!

      • Giles
        October 11, 2014, 7:39 pm

        The Holocaust is consistently minimized. Nearly all references in mainstream media and by Jewish groups memorializing the victims are to the six million. The five million “others” (read as — less important) are pretty much left out all the time

    • American
      October 11, 2014, 12:30 am

      ” Some people here have so much accustomed to belittle the Holocaust and even view it as a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel, don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendant””..ivri

      Let me explain this to you.
      We don’t belittle the holocaust, we belittle those of you who constantly carry around the holocaust flag and use it as an excuse/demand for yourselves and Israel.
      Its also evidently somewhat of a culture difference ….in the gentile world its bad form, bad manners, and low class to spill your guts and your personal pain all over other people all the time. We dont see people like that as devastated by their loses, we see them as people who care more about making ‘a spectacle’ of their lose to draw attention and sympathy for themselves.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 1:26 pm

        “Its also evidently somewhat of a culture difference ….in the gentile world its bad form, bad manners, and low class to spill your guts and your personal pain all over other people all the time.”

        Hey, wait a minute, American, you are saying Gentiles are just like Zionists? Aren’t Zionists exhorted to put the needs of Zionism above their personal pain and sacrifice? Very confused.

    • amigo
      October 11, 2014, 9:05 am

      “don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendants) an dhow deeply it affects their thinking and attitudes. ” ivri

      So they thought oppressing /killing/stealing from and generally committing slow genocide on others would cure their pain.

      Ivri , you talk pure apologist tripe.Two wrongs never make a right.Never, not even for Jews who suffered because of the Holocaust.Who cares about the feelings of land thieves and colonialist oppressors.They ceded their right to concern.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 11:43 am

        Nobody can estimate the suffering Germany endured after the First World War. The newly-united nation was almost shattered, and was a revolutionary-versus-right mess for years.
        It affected them deeply.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 11:44 am

        We can all play that game, Ivri.

      • seafoid
        October 11, 2014, 11:51 am

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrpB-i4d_E

        I never thought you’d be a Zionist because Ziocaine is so passe.
        But today, if you think that I don’t know about depression and emotional pain,
        You’re insane, or you’re a fool who hasn’t paid attention to a word that I say.
        In a way, I can’t help but feel responsible, I always knew that you were insane
        With your pain, but I never thought you’d be a ziobot because Ziocaine is so passe, hey.

      • American
        October 11, 2014, 5:09 pm

        ” Hey, wait a minute, American, you are saying Gentiles are just like Zionists? Aren’t Zionists exhorted to put the needs of Zionism above their personal pain and sacrifice? Very confused ”’………Mooser

        No. I’m saying the Ivir ‘culture’—you can call it the zionist or the H-culture —is the total opposite of most gentile culture when it comes to how they talk or actually dont talk about pain, loses, their own devastation. His harping on his or descendents Jewish trauma, loses etc. particularly because he isnt even one of the ‘real victims’ looks like a whiny selfish sympathy ploy to us, and actually disrespectful to the actual victims, not a real and deep pain. Other people dont hang their deepest personal pains and traumas out on a clothes line every day to attract attention or sympathy to themselves.

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 12:25 pm

        ” Other people dont hang their deepest personal pains and traumas out on a clothes line every day to attract attention or sympathy to themselves.”

        Gosh, you are right, American. I was so busy kvetching I never noticed how stoic and uncomplaining my Gentile neighbors are.

        BTW, what is “H-culture”?

    • Annie Robbins
      October 11, 2014, 12:05 pm

      a cynical “bargaining chip“ to advance the interests of Israel, don`t understand how deeply it affects those that went through it (and their descendants) an dhow deeply it affects their thinking and attitudes.

      i can’t think of anyone off hand, living today, who has used the holocaust (or his association with it) to advance the interests of Israel more than wiesel. and he is not alone by any means.

      ivri i’m not sure who you are quoting wrt “bargaining chip“, those are your words..but the holocaust is continually used as a ‘chip at play’ to support zionism or the israeli state. you can’t throw it out there, or wiesel or whomever, then shirk responsibility for how it’s used, cynically or otherwise.

      wiesel wouldn’t even be famous if not for his association with the holocaust, and he is used as some kind of standard bearer, even trips to the WH to school obama. he’s using his fame to promote the ethnic cleansing of palestine, so him and his fame are fair game. he’s a brand and the brand goes with him where ever he goes. in this way he cements the holocaust to the ongoing nakba. that’s not cynical, it’s just reality.

      if you don’t like the holocaust used to promote the racist settler movement and ethnic cleansing of palestine, write wiesel and urge him to retire and get out of public life.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 12:09 pm

        Annie, Zionism has never declared its borders with regard to quote-marrks.

  12. JLewisDickerson
    October 10, 2014, 4:20 pm

    RE: “Wiesel lauds settlers for ‘strengthening the Jewish presence in Jerusalem’ — and expelling Palestinians”

    MY COMMENT: Don’t give poor Elie Wiesel such a hard time. He probably just did it for the money, and he’s been desperate for funds* since took a beating on his investments with Bernie Madoff. So blame it all on Madoff.

    * SEE: “Elie Wiesel, Moral Mercenary”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 2/09/10

    [EXCERPTS] Did you know morality is for sale? No? Well, as far as Elie Wiesel is concerned it is. If the Palestinians had $500,000 THEY might find moral favor in Elie’s eyes as well. You see, since Bernie Madoff blew Wiesel’s foundation assets, I guess he’s found a need to sell his scruples to the highest bidder. Last year that would’ve been John Hagee, before whose Christians United for Israel conference Wiesel pronounced the anti-Semite and homophobe his “dear pastor”:

    For delivering one speech to Hagee’s congregation, Wiesel received a check for $500,000 toward his foundation, according to Marita Styrsky, the wife of Christians United for Israel Eastern Regional Director Victor Styrsky (Christians United is Hagee’s lobbying arm)

    . . . And the next time you hear of some good deed performed by the Elie Wiesel Foundation remember it’s probably funded by a man who said that Hitler was half-Jewish and doing the work of the Lord, John Hagee.

    SOURCE – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2010/02/09/elie-wiesel-moral-mercenary/

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 10, 2014, 4:48 pm

      P.S. RE: “. . . he’s been desperate for funds* since took a beating on his investments with Bernie Madoff.”

      SHOULD HAVE BEEN: . . . he’s been desperate for funds* since he took a beating on his investments with Bernie Madoff.

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 10, 2014, 5:09 pm

      P.P.S. It’s gotten so that when I see Elie “moral mercenary” Wiesel’s photo I want to hurl!

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 6:46 pm

        It takes a lot of practice

      • JLewisDickerson
        October 10, 2014, 8:02 pm

        That type of hurling might help if I was younger, and if the defending goalie would wear an Elie Wiesel mask, Unfortunately, at my advanced, Hurrycane®-dependent age, I’m reduced to just puking out my guts into a nearby, hopefully clean, slop bucket).
        Of course, sometimes a person, whether déclassé or not, is forced to make do.
        Life is not always hardly ever fair.

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 11:26 pm

        “Life is hardly ever fair”

        As Christopher Isherwood observed, ” Life is not so bad if you have plenty of luck, a good physique and not too much imagination “!!

      • JLewisDickerson
        October 11, 2014, 2:26 am

        Ah yes, that “gap year” he spent in Berlin during the early 30s! Long strolls along the leafy Berlin Strasse! That randy Weimar hospitality! The cabarets! The Institute for Sexual Research! Long, afternoon tête-à-têtes with W.H. Auden! Nocturnal high jinks and more with Don Bachardy!

        Christopher and His Kind, 2011 NR 90 minutes
        This intimate adaptation of acclaimed novelist Christopher Isherwood’s memoir conjures the young explorer’s 1931 arrival, with poet W.H. Auden, on Berlin’s decadent cabaret scene, along with the hearts he gained and lost in that anything-goes era.
        Netflix streaming – http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/70178688

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 10, 2014, 5:32 pm

      In summation, Bernie Madoff steals from Elie Wiesel, who steals from the Palestinians. NICE!

    • lysias
      October 10, 2014, 5:42 pm

      Why did Wiesel invest with Madoff in the first place, if it wasn’t because he wanted too-good-to-be-true (or at least too-good-to-be-on-the-up-and-up) returns?

      • JLewisDickerson
        October 10, 2014, 8:57 pm

        RE: “Why did Wiesel invest with Madoff in the first place” ~ lysias

        ALAN DERSHOWITZ (HYPOTHETICALLY) SEZ: He was only suckered into too-good-to-be-true (or at least too-good-to-be-on-the-up-and-up) returns because he so loved the world that he wanted to outdo even Sheldon Adelson in maximizing his selfless Tikkun Olam (thereby totally and completely repairing the world by “securing” the rest of Palestine for the exclusive use of Jews from Brooklyn, Miami, Los Angeles, etc.).

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 11, 2014, 6:11 am

      P.S. SEE: “Can Jewish Liberals Transcend the Wiesel Doctrine? Countering the Israel Lobby’s Dominance”, by Alan Nasser, Counterpunch, 5/29/12

      [EXCERPTS]

      “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant.” ~ Elie Wiesel, From the “Kingdom of Memory: Reminiscences”
      “My loyalty to my people, to our people, and to Israel comes first and prevents me from saying anything critical of Israel outside Israel… As a Jew I see my role as a melitz yosher, a defender of Israel: I defend even her mistakes… I must identify with whatever Israel does – even with her errors.” ~ Elie Wiesel, “Against Silence”

      In the end, whether Israel’s penchant for serial atrocities encounters an effective obstacle will hinge on two types of resistance, elicited not from the fictitious “international community”, but from the active opponents of Israel’s ongoing projects, and from the withdrawal of moral and financial support for the ongoing reproduction of Israel as an apartheid Zionist State.
      Among the first type of response are the increasingly visible efforts, which gained momentum in the wake of the May 2010 flotilla murders, to promote sanctions, boycott and divestiture. . .
      . . . The second kind of response includes refusals to any longer make excuses for Israeli abominations, willingness finally to speak out in public protest, and the cessation of financial support for the rogue State. An especially powerful development would be the readiness of American Jews to announce loud and clear that Israel does not speak for them, to distance themselves from the agenda of the politically powerful Israel lobby, and to cross over into solidarity with the Palestinian people. None of this, I will suggest below, is as far-fetched as it might have seemed fifteen years ago.
      Among the key habits of thought, feeling and action that must be defeated is what we might call the Wiesel Doctrine, as expressed in the second passage at the head of this article, which pledges to “defend even [Israel’s] mistakes… [to] identify with whatever Israel does – even with her errors.” The Doctrine saturates the political consciousness of too many older (an important qualifier) liberal American Jews. These are the Jews most likely to contribute to AIPAC and for whom their perception of a given Senate, House or presidential candidate’s friendliness to Israeli policy is sufficient to determine support.
      . . . As Beinart observes, “As secular Jews drift away from America’s Zionist institutions, their orthodox counterparts will likely step into the breach.” Thus, the distance between largely secular American Jews and the Zionist establishment is likely to widen. But this will weaken the political power of the Israel lobby – inextricably linked, of course, to the Jewish establishment – only if American Jews as a whole are prepared to announce unambiguously their antipathy to their… representatives. The political and moral responsibility this places on American Jewish liberals cannot be overestimated. . .
      . . . [Peter] Bienart sees that as an American Jew he bears a special responsibility to act on the words, hypocritically penned by Elie Wiesel, cited at the head of this article: “We must always take sides…. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere.” I say he’s right.

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/29/countering-the-israel-lobbys-dominance/

    • JLewisDickerson
      October 11, 2014, 7:02 am

      P.P.S.
      ■ FROM ELIE WIESEL (letter published in the Washington Post back in April of 2010):

      [EXCERPTS] . . . For me, the Jew that I am, Jerusalem is above politics. . .
      . . . It is important to remember: had Jordan not Joined Egypt and Syria in the 1967 war against Israel, the old city of Jerusalem would still be Arab.
      Clearly, while Jews were ready to die for Jerusalem they would not kill for Jerusalem.
      Today, for the first time in history Jews, Christlans and Muslims all may freely worship at their shrines. And, contrary to certain media reports, Jews, Christians and Muslims ARE allowed to build their homes anywhere in the city. . .

      SOURCE – http://www.politico.com/static/PPM41_elie_wiesel_ad.html

      ■ ALSO SEE: Open letter to Elie Wiesel from activists from the Sheikh Jarrah movement in response to the letter Wiesel published in the Washington Post, by Philip Weiss, Mondoweiss.net, April 22, 2010

      More than a hundred activists from the Sheikh Jarrah movement in Jerusalem published an open letter to Elie Wiesel in response to the letter Wiesel published last week in the Washington Post:

      Dear Mr. Wiesel,

      We write to you from Jerusalem to convey our frustration, even outrage, at your recently published letter on Jerusalem. We are Jewish Jerusalemites – residents by choice of a battered city, a city used and abused, ransacked time and again first by foreign conquerors and now by its own politicians. We cannot recognize our city in the sentimental abstraction you call by its name.
      Our Jerusalem is concrete, its hills covered with limestone houses and pine trees; its streets lined with synagogues, mosques and churches. Your Jerusalem is an ideal, an object of prayers and a bearer of the collective memory of a people whose members actually bear many individual memories. Our Jerusalem is populated with people, young and old, women and men, who wish their city to be a symbol of dignity – not of hubris, inequality and discrimination. You speak of the celestial Jerusalem; we live in the earthly one.
      For more than a generation now the earthly city we call home has been crumbling under the weight of its own idealization. Your letter troubles us, not simply because it is replete with factual errors and false representations, but because it upholds an attachment to some other-worldly city which purports to supersede the interests of those who live in the this-worldly one. For every Jew, you say, a visit to Jerusalem is a homecoming, yet it is our commitment that makes your homecoming possible. We prefer the hardship of realizing citizenship in this city to the convenience of merely yearning for it.
      Indeed, your claim that Jerusalem is above politics is doubly outrageous. First, because contemporary Jerusalem was created by a political decision and politics alone keeps it formally unified. The tortuous municipal boundaries of today’s Jerusalem were drawn by Israeli generals and politicians shortly after the 1967 war. Feigning to unify an ancient city, they created an unwieldy behemoth, encircling dozens of Palestinian villages which were never part of Jerusalem. Stretching from the outskirts of Ramallah in the north to the edge of Bethlehem in the south, the Jerusalem the Israeli government foolishly concocted is larger than Paris. Its historical core, the nexus of memories and religious significance often called “the Holy Basin”, comprises a mere one percent of its area. Now they call this artificial fabrication ‘Jerusalem’ in order to obviate any approaching chance for peace.
      Second, your attempt to keep Jerusalem above politics means divesting us of a future. For being above politics is being devoid of the power to shape the reality of one’s life. As true Jerusalemites, we cannot stand by and watch our beloved city, parts of which are utterly neglected, being used as a springboard for crafty politicians and sentimental populists who claim Jerusalem is above politics and negotiation. All the while, they franticly “Judaize” Eastern Jerusalem in order to transform its geopolitics beyond recognition.
      We invite you to our city to view with your own eyes the catastrophic effects of the frenzy of construction. You will witness that, contrary to some media reports, Arabs are not allowed to build their homes anywhere in Jerusalem. You [will] see the gross inequality in allocation of municipal resources and services between east and west. We will take you to Sheikh Jarrah, where Palestinian families are being evicted from their homes to make room for a new Jewish neighborhood, and to Silwan, where dozens of houses face demolition because of the Jerusalem Municipality’s refusal to issue building permits to Palestinians.
      We, the people of Jerusalem, can no longer be sacrificed for the fantasies of those who love our city from afar. This-worldly Jerusalem must be shared by the people of the two nations residing in it. Only a shared city will live up to the prophet’s vision: “Zion shall be redeemed with justice”. As we chant weekly in our vigils in Sheikh Jarrah: “Nothing can be holy in an occupied city!”

      Respectfully,

      Just Jerusalem (Sheikh Jarrah) Activists

      SOURCE – http://mondoweiss.net/2010/04/wiesel-should-stop-offering-celestial-prescriptions-for-a-city-he-doesnt-live-in

      • pjdude
        October 11, 2014, 12:58 pm

        well if i remember my history correctly jews were in jerusalem during Saladin’s reign. and he allowed christian pilgrims access to their holy sites. so no mister the holocaust gives jews the right to genecide no is not the first time all people of abrahim faiths could worship in jerusalem

  13. lonely rico
    October 10, 2014, 4:43 pm

    Slightly off topic,
    see very fine moving Counterpunch article by RAOUF J. HALABY –

    In A Certain Place, A Long, Long Time Ago
    Link http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/10/in-a-certain-place-a-long-long-time-ago/

    • just
      October 10, 2014, 6:29 pm

      Never off topic, imho.

      lonely rico, I cannot thank you enough for bringing that breathtakingly beautiful and visceral piece to me.

      It’s splendid in every way. I’m still wiping the grateful tears from my eyes– they don’t seem to want to stop yet.

      (will share this)

      • bintbiba
        October 10, 2014, 10:54 pm

        Wonderful … thanks Rico .
        Just, my Teyta Jameela used to start her story of Loulia bint il ghoulia with
        “Kaan ya makaan….” (Once upon a time -and place…). You have evoked myriad memories and pictures of 75 or so years ago!

      • seafoid
        October 10, 2014, 11:35 pm

        That is a fantastic piece. A real keeper. Wallahi.

      • just
        October 10, 2014, 11:56 pm

        bintbiba– I finally feel your glorious smile again. Thank you for sharing your precious remembrances.

        seafoid– you said it straight and true!

      • seafoid
        October 11, 2014, 12:35 am

        I think this song goes with the writing

        “The other night you said you might try to kill that thing I love
        It is too strong for you”

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMciTryNZ0

        And they have spent the last3 generations trying to kill the thing the Palestinians love but they’ll never succeed. Palestinian energy is ultimately stronger than Zionist trauma.

        Qahwe dayman

    • adele
      October 12, 2014, 3:47 pm

      breathtakingly beautiful. Deeply grateful, Rico, you shared this with us.

      Souad Massi singing “Raoui (Storyteller)” is a perfect accompaniment.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 12, 2014, 5:35 pm

      fantastic lonely rico, thank you. and to adele for the beautiful souad massi..

  14. Boomer
    October 10, 2014, 6:33 pm

    Obama is writing a book with him? This reminds me of Sarah Palin asking, “how’s that hope-y, change-y thing working out for you?” I have to admit, not so well.

  15. RoHa
    October 10, 2014, 7:31 pm

    “Remember when you read “Night” in middle school”

    Never read it. Not going to.

  16. yonah fredman
    October 11, 2014, 4:16 am

    Wiesel has always been a right winger regarding Israel and its borders. In fact a large percentage of Jewish people who care enough about Israel to visit there or to live there support the right wing position, so it is not a shock that this particular Jew with his particular life experience 14 or 15 in 1944 in Hungary turns out to be someone who supports the idea of Jewish sovereignty over as much of Jerusalem as possible.

    My life experience is quite different than the life experience of someone exposed to the raw ferocity of the camps. This does not mean that I must value his judgment over my own. I agree that his concern is not with the Palestinians, that does not make him a racist, in my book, that makes him someone who has primary concerns and secondary concerns and his primary concerns are not for the other but for his nation and its essence.

    one might argue regarding the nation of Israel, as in am yisroel, and what its essence is or ought to be. mark ellis has one concept and elie wiesel a different concept. and they are both humans with unique perspectives.

    my judgment: the boundaries of june 4, 1967 are approximately the path towards a peaceful future for the two peoples if things work out well. currently things are not working out well. this adds up to a tangled ball of yarn and i study it and discern no path to disentanglement.

    wiesel was not a nazi hunter and to read his name misspelled like the name of a lowly animal makes me wince (hate?) and does not help if the aim is communication.

    It is a “shame” that the foremost survivor does not share my political views, but so it goes.

    currently israel needs to encourage hamas fatah reconciliation in order to “pacify” gaza and the right wing Israeli politicians need to disrespect that reconciliation to gain favor with the hard core right wing in israel.

    judaism is a very richly textured text and religion, but most Jews who live in America live in a secular milieu and so the text and the religion will lose out in a few generations and dwindle away.

    to me stretching my imagination to think like someone looking for a market for my product: the most logical means for the survival of judaism in America would be searching for converts among the religious christians, pulling them away from christianity and towards the Torah. there are tens of millions of religious christians who are potential customers.

    currently instead of proposing means of survival of the American Jewish culture or of Judaism in America, there is a clinging to Israel, because it is very real and very Jewish. those who have given up totally on the Jewish thing, who leslie fiedler would refer to as ex-Jews, do not add enough to the issue, merely illuminate what the post Jewish (post zionist) reality will look like.

    • Shmuel
      October 11, 2014, 4:50 am

      I agree that his concern is not with the Palestinians, that does not make him a racist, in my book, that makes him someone who has primary concerns and secondary concerns and his primary concerns are not for the other but for his nation and its essence.

      Meir Kahane used to say the same thing about himself (“I don’t hate Arabs; I love Jews”), as do American white supremacists and European nativists.

      to read his name misspelled like the name of a lowly animal makes me wince

      Me too. Dehumanisation is dangerous.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 11:51 am

        “To read his name misspelled like the name of a lowly animal makes me wince”

        Do a little nature study, Yonah, get out of Brooklyn. A weasel (Mustela) happens to be a pretty sophisticated animal.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 12:22 pm

        “my judgment: the boundaries of june 4, 1967 are approximately the path towards a peaceful future for the two peoples if things work out well. currently things are not working out well. this adds up to a tangled ball of yarn and i study it and discern no path to disentanglement. “

        Yonah, your advice will turn the entire I-P mess (that “tangled ball of yarn” OGMAFB) into a process like splitting up a gold mine!

        “and i study it and discern no path to disentanglement.”

        Yes, for Israel to ameliorate any facet of its intransigence would be a betrayal of the Jewish people! Why there’s not a single thing Israel can do that doesn’t lead straight to the ovens!

      • RoHa
        October 11, 2014, 9:52 pm

        I think it is an insult to all ferrets, stoats, and weasels.

        (Psssst! Mooser, do you know the difference between a stoat and a weasel?

        A weasel is weasily wecognized, and a stoat is stotally diffewent.)

      • just
        October 11, 2014, 10:31 pm

        LOLOLOL Roha!

    • seafoid
      October 11, 2014, 9:14 am

      “It is a “shame” that the foremost survivor does not share my political views, but so it goes. – ”

      Hardly surprising. It could have been anyone so he’s more than likely to be closer to the popular mindset and you are smarter and more thoughtful than that .
      It’s a pity there are so few people like you in Israel.

    • amigo
      October 11, 2014, 9:50 am

      “wiesel was not a nazi hunter and to read his name misspelled like the name of a lowly animal makes me wince (hate?) and does not help if the aim is communication.” yf

      He supports the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.He does not deserve respect anymore than those like you who apologise for this monster.

      No one is dehumanising him.He needs no help there.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 11:53 am

        “No one is dehumanising him.He needs no help there.”

        All of a sudden, everybody is a dachshund!

    • eljay
      October 11, 2014, 10:13 am

      >> y.f.: judaism is a very richly textured text and religion, but most Jews who live in America live in a secular milieu and so the text and the religion will lose out in a few generations and dwindle away.

      There’s nothing wrong with a religion dwindling away on its own (as opposed to it being coerced out of existence).

      >> currently instead of proposing means of survival of the American Jewish culture or of Judaism in America, there is a clinging to Israel, because it is very real and very Jewish.

      It sounds like American Jewish culture and Judaism in America have already found a “very real and very Jewish” means of survival.

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 12:28 pm

        “There’s nothing wrong with a religion dwindling away on its own (as opposed to it being coerced out of existence).”

        Mark my words, and mark them well! (Sorry, always wanted to say that.) When there is a visible, and viable alternative for non-Zionist and generally non-bigoted Jewish fellowship in America, we’ll see who the hell is “dwindling away”!

        There’s no “dwindling” there’s a ferocious hunger for something different, something that doesn’t require being dumb or hypocritical or bigoted. Or both.

      • eljay
        October 11, 2014, 8:42 pm

        >> Mooser: There’s no “dwindling” there’s a ferocious hunger for something different …

        I sincerely hope the hungry are able to find that “something different” and satisfy their hunger.

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 12:32 pm

        “I sincerely hope the hungry are able to find that “something different” and satisfy their hunger.”

        It’s on the way. There’s a big ritual which has to be played out first. They must be “pulled from the Church, still in the attitude of Prayer”.
        And then they go and start their own.

    • Mooser
      October 11, 2014, 12:05 pm

      “wiesel was not a nazi hunter and to read his name misspelled like the name of a lowly animal makes me wince (hate?) and does not help if the aim is communication.”

      Perfect Yonah! I defy anybody to parse it. And BTW, Yonah,, hows about giving “Weasel” the upper-case “W” it should have?

      “most logical means for the survival of judaism in America would be searching for converts among the religious christians, pulling them away from christianity and towards the Torah”

      This is your brain after drinking too much schmaltz liquor.

      But I get it, Yonah, you are pretty much fed up with the American Jews that already exist. They’re worthless. The answer, of course, is to get some good old Christian Jews signed on?
      But I guess they’ll be better than “ex-Jews” huh?

      • Mooser
        October 11, 2014, 12:17 pm

        You know, I gotta wonder. Is there a single Jew, anywhere, who lives up to Zionism’s expectations? I don’t think there is.
        After all, Zionism cannot fail, but people, being imperfect, can fail Zionism. That must be what is happening.
        It pains me to say it, but I must ask: Are we Jews worthy of Zionism?

      • eljay
        October 11, 2014, 1:10 pm

        >> Mooser: Are we Jews worthy of Zionism?

        IMO, the world needs less Jewish Zionists and more Jewish Moose(r)s. :-)

      • RoHa
        October 11, 2014, 9:56 pm

        Wrong, eljay.

        The world needs fewer Jewish Zionists and more Jewish Moosers.

      • eljay
        October 11, 2014, 11:43 pm

        >> RoHa: Wrong, eljay.
        >> The world needs fewer Jewish Zionists …

        I stand – actually, I sit – both humbled and corrected. :-)

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 12:35 pm

        “The world needs fewer Jewish Zionists and more Jewish Moosers. “

        It’s funny, many people say I don’t really look Moosish

    • RoHa
      October 11, 2014, 9:58 pm

      “that makes him someone who has primary concerns and secondary concerns and his primary concerns are not for the other but for his nation and its essence. ”

      – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/strengthening-expelling-palestinians/comment-page-1#comment-715377

      • RoHa
        October 12, 2014, 1:34 am

        And here I accidently hit “Post” before I had finished. When do we get the edit function?

    • RoHa
      October 11, 2014, 10:05 pm

      “that makes him someone who has primary concerns and secondary concerns and his primary concerns are not for the other but for his nation and its essence.”

      My primary concerns are for my wife, son, and cat. I care for them far more than I care for the neighbours. But I would not support my son if he tried to steal the neighbour’s pot plants.

      (And what the hell is the “essence” of Wiesel’s “nation”? Theft? Lying?)

      • RoHa
        October 12, 2014, 1:35 am

        Or, for that matter, the neighbours’ pot plants.

      • yonah fredman
        October 12, 2014, 12:27 pm

        I suppose it is unfair and counter productive for me to try to justify Wiesel’s positions when I disagree with him. (Unfair to Wiesel and counterproductive to me, to the singular focus that I should be maintaining regarding discovering and then asserting my own position.)

        Nonetheless, let me comment regarding essences of Judaism: Judaism survived the long exile from bar kochba to ben gurion. can something survive so long without its essence? meaning, if sovereignty over jerusalem did not empty judaism of its essence during the period when Jerusalem was ruled by others, how can sovereignty be considered an essence?

        (of course, my zionism has a large focus on refugee zionism or survivalist zionism, as in: the lack of a jewish army, which the lack of sovereignty over any territory implies, is certainly a logical source for blame regarding the various periods of oppression and ultimately slaughter. but the survival element of zionism requires some territory somewhere, but does not require all of jerusalem or indeed any of jerusalem. but the question is not regarding survival zionism but regarding something other than survival as in essences.)

        Jerusalem as a focus of yearning is certainly an important part of Judaism, but as Pinsker asserted: the genius of post bar kochba Judaism was its mobility and ability to survive out of a suitcase or in this case with a set of books and practices as the homeland rather than the specific land of Jerusalem and its surrounding territory.

        I think that the need for Jerusalem was 1. focusing on the territory around jerusalem was an essential element in the success of zionism. that is sufficient passion regarding territory could not be achieved regarding nonIsrael territory and the focus of zionism on the territory referred to as zion, was an essential element in gathering sufficient support for a return to a territory that would have significance beyond mere refuge. and 2. in the aftermath of the abyss, there is a need for something positive beyond mere refuge, something that can constitute a rebirth; and a refuge in alaska (to pick michael chabon’s alternate history) could not measure up sufficiently to the return to Zion which constituted more than a refuge but also a rebirth. Once we are focused on rebirth, there is a need for Jerusalem, and quite conceivably the rebirth implied by Jerusalem requires not just pre 67 jerusalem, but also the kotel in Jerusalem, and maybe also the temple mount in jerusalem and also the neighborhood of silwan in Jerusalem.

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 12:41 pm

        Another extended mutter from Yonah. A prize-winning extended mutter! I bet he didn’t even know what he was saying as he wrote it. What a freakin’ mess, from every point of view.

        Check out his archive, there’s ream’s and reams of this stuff.

      • Mooser
        October 12, 2014, 4:00 pm

        “I suppose it is unfair and counter productive for me to try to justify Wiesel’s positions when I disagree with him.”

        Yonah, you got a bad case intellectual dyslexia, you do know that, right?

  17. MRW
    October 11, 2014, 4:36 am

    Tweet

    Guardian: British MPs likely to recognise #Palestine as a state in symbolic vote. http://t.co/WUiKH1Pvnn pic.twitter.com/r727SK06LL

    — Jon Donnison (@JonDonnison) October 10, 2014

    • Kay24
      October 11, 2014, 8:10 am

      Even though it will be symbolic the arrogant ones will not like it. They have big ego’s, and want the world to adore them even if it means twisting their arms.
      I hope this comes through for the Palestinians, even if it is symbolic. Sweden showed the way, and it is up to others to follow.

  18. bryan
    October 11, 2014, 8:14 am

    Weasel word – is defined by Merriam-Webster as ” a word used in order to avoid being clear or direct”, as in ““Reorganization” is just a weasel word that the company is using to say that jobs are being eliminated” or “Framing dispossession and expulsion in the the language of universal justice and human rights are simply Wiesel words”.

  19. Boomer
    October 11, 2014, 9:56 am

    This morning I heard the conclusion of a discussion on BBC World Service that featured Tim Judah (the Economist, NY Review of Books) and a female Arab reporter. I can’t quote her exact words, but she commented about how strange it seemed to her that the Jews of Israel, having experienced what they did in Europe, would treat the Palestinians as they do. Judah simply said he didn’t want to talk about it. That seems common reaction among people who support what Israel is doing. Some, like Wiesel, loudly support those actions, others are simply refuse to engage, or to acknowledge that there is an issue. I’m not sure which type is more frustrating.

    • Annie Robbins
      October 11, 2014, 12:15 pm

      Judah simply said he didn’t want to talk about it. That seems common reaction among people who support what Israel is doing.

      maybe he was just looking out for his career. it could be more a case of cowardice than agreement or support for israel.

      • Boomer
        October 11, 2014, 1:24 pm

        Annie, you may be right, maybe he was simply looking out for his career, or avoiding conflict with his friends and family. Those are common motivations too. I don’t know what his actual views are. Still, silence in such a situation is tacit approval.

    • MRW
      October 11, 2014, 11:32 pm

      Boomer, I wrote about this story, too, above: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/strengthening-expelling-palestinians#comment-715239

      I didn’t know that ‘The British guy’ was Tim Judah. But it wasn’t a “female Arab reporter.” It was the Israeli filmmaker Vanessa Lapa. She was promoting her new film, The Decent One.

      It was a remarkable exchange, wasn’t it.

    • lysias
      October 12, 2014, 3:53 pm

      I remember Judah wrote a lot about the Serbs and the Balkans at the time of the Kosovo War. I don’t remember what stand he took, but it would surprise me if he did not support the Kosovo War.

  20. Bornajoo
    October 11, 2014, 10:38 am

    Weisel’s thought processes appear deeply affected by his childhood trauma. There is some similarity in the argument about capital punishment. Where one is able to think rationally it may be concluded that capital punishment is not an appropriate form of punishment in modern society. However if one has suffered the trauma of having a close member of the family murdered then you often see a change in that previous attitude and a sudden demand for capital punishment for the perpetrator

    Therefore in the case of Weisel he is probably not the right person to hold such a powerful and influential position.

    What is needed is rational thinking because rational thinking would simply not allow or tolerate the ongoing brutal repression and complete dehumanisation of a whole society of people. This is why we can’t rely on israel to end the occupation and stop what they are doing. On a macro level they are a nation built on trauma and fear which is promoted by its own government. The abuser cannot be asked to not only heal themselves but also look after and take responsibility for others too. We have seen the results so far. They need help in understanding their own actions and outside forces need to step in and take over the care of the Palestinians. Boycotts and other countries following Sweden and recognising Palestine as a state will speed up the process. I’m in London and hoping that the UK follows Sweden in the upcoming vote

    Finally israel should recognise the massive trauma they are inflicting on the Palestinians, especially young Palestinian children. What chance do they have of being able to grow up thinking rationally?

    The idea that Obama is writing a book with Weisel is simply abhorrent

    • seafoid
      October 11, 2014, 11:25 am

      Weisel has zero spirituality if he can talk about Palestinians the way he does. He’s just iterating trauma. So much emotional poison. Israel says the Nazis won.
      Gaza says the Nazis didn’t win. Noor el ain.

      Zionism is just one big dose of emotional poison. Incapable of empathy. No idea where they are going. Emotionally distorted. Twisted reality. Virtually nobody’s thinking.
      Very hard to relate to if you don’t get the indoctrination.

      We really need to look at Zionism in a trauma framework.

  21. Mooser
    October 11, 2014, 11:58 am

    “We really need to look at Zionism in a trauma framework”

    I agree, Seafoid. When the Jewish people (such as it is) were so traumatized they could no longer answer the question ‘Is it good for the Jews’ in any rational way, “Jewish leaders” appear to tell us what’s good for us.

  22. seafoid
    October 11, 2014, 12:30 pm

    We should also look at it in a rational framework and imagine what a rational Zionism would look like.

    • Mooser
      October 12, 2014, 12:47 pm

      “We should also look at it in a rational framework and imagine what a rational Zionism would look like.”

      A “rational Zionism”? A rational ethno-supremacist state? Based on that most rational, and minutely-described and defined appellation “the Jews”? Okay!

      If you can find the slightest rationality in that, my hat, shirt, and pants are off to you.

  23. Bornajoo
    October 11, 2014, 3:48 pm

    In a rational framework the Zionists would realise that they have disenfranchised a completely innocent group of people and should be doing everything in their power to make amends for that original injustice. They would understand that in order to gain their state they had to literally steal it from another. If they really wanted to be rational and just, then the Palestinians would have been living side by side in peace and prosperity a long time ago. But Israel, due to its past trauma is incapable of providing that to the Palestinians. As in most developed societies, if a parent is caught abusing a child then (as here in the UK) the Social Services step in. The first thing that they do is take that child away from the abusing parent or guardian and they immediately provide support and care for the abused and often traumatised child. They then also provide care for the abusive guardian and more often than not they realise that this guardian was also the victim of abuse in his or her childhood hence the cycle of abuse.

    Israel should never have been entrusted with the care of the Palestinians. This is the same as allowing the abusive guardian to continue to look after the child even after the guardian has been flagrantly abusing that child openly and continually for what seems like an eternity. The problem here is that there is no system in place to correct this national injustice, especially when they are giving full and unwavering support of the most powerful democratic state on planet earth. The lunatics have taken over the asylum. We need a UN resolution to act as the social services to step in and take over the care of these poor people before each and everyone is traumatised beyond repair.

    • bintbiba
      October 11, 2014, 7:00 pm

      ‘bornajoo ‘, your wise and empathetic words are greatly appreciated.
      Maybe one day…

      • bintbiba
        October 11, 2014, 7:01 pm

        Correction: ‘Bornajoo’.

    • MRW
      October 12, 2014, 5:05 am

      Smart comment.

    • Mooser
      October 12, 2014, 12:49 pm

      “In a rational framework the Zionists would realise that they have disenfranchised a completely innocent group of people …”

      Yes, that was the plan, and given the parlous state of Palestinian political power, it really was quite rational.

      • Horizontal
        October 12, 2014, 1:37 pm

        @ Mooser ~

        I think a better word than “rational” in this instance is “calculated.” Palestinian political power was compromised by both the British and the Zionists at every turn. To use that as justification for not allowing the Palestinians to exercise their self-determination is ridiculous.

  24. just
    October 12, 2014, 8:31 am

    These are Wiesel’s valued and cherished ‘settlers’?

    “SALFIT (Ma’an) — A large group of Israeli settlers on Saturday morning violently beat a young Palestinian woman while she was picking olives from trees in an orchard in the village of Yasuf in the Salfit district in the central West Bank, a Palestinian official said.

    The assault is the third such attack on Palestinian olive pickers in three days, creating concern about unchecked settler violence as the olive harvest kicks off across the West Bank.

    Ghassan Daghlas, a Palestinian Authority official who monitors settlement-related activities in the northern West Bank, told Ma’an that 25-year-old Alaa Fathi Atiyani and her children were picking olives in a field in the al-Masamic area outside of Yasuf village at the time of the alleged assault.”

    More on all of the criminals here:
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=732483

  25. Horizontal
    October 12, 2014, 1:31 pm

    People like Wiesel make be sick, as do all who seem content inflicting suffering on others while raising their own suffering to “noble” levels.

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