Israel turns off power to hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in the dead of winter

Israel/Palestine
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Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians are cashed strapped this winter because Israel is withholding $240 million in tax revenue to the Palestinian Authority as punishment for joining the ICC. This is radical, though it’s not unusual and something we’ve come to expect. But turning off the electricity in the middle of winter as blizzards sweep across the Middle East is nothing short of sadistic. The Los Angeles Times reports Israel cut the power to more than 700,000 Palestinians in two of Palestine’s largest urban areas, Nablus and Jenin, for more than 45 minutes “and warned that more outages are coming if Palestinian officials don’t pay millions of dollars in outstanding debt.”

Citing Yiftah Ron-Tal, the director of Israel Electric Corp. (IEC), the Times reports:

“Customers who do not pay electric bills are disconnected; yet here we have an entire population that doesn’t pay while we continue to supply electricity,” he said. “The Palestinian Authority owes the IEC — meaning the paying consumers — nearly 2 billion Israeli shekels [about $500 million]. A year has passed since I said this last and nothing has changed. Starting today, we will begin restricting electricity.”

The irony here, of withholding the months of  tax revenue while demanding payment of a debt, on top of occupation policy preventing Palestinians from being self sufficient, is not lost on anyone. More from the Times:

“This is clearly collective punishment against the Palestinian people,” [Ghassan Shakaa, the mayor of Nablus and chairman of the board of the North Electricity Company, which supplies Nablus, Jenin] said. According to Shakaa, the IEC cut power shortly after notifying his company that it owed more than $10 million, and did not wait for an answer or for payment……

Rashid Fadda, who lives in Nablus and works as a technician for the local electric company, said the power cuts came as a surprise.

“We heard the Israeli company threatening to cut power supply to the West Bank but no one really thought it will happen,” he said. “My work depends on electricity and so when the power was cut off, we had to stop work.”

In more winter news, IMEMC reports settlers from the Gilo settlement have “opened its barrages, throwing all excess rain and melted snow water” flooding Aida Refugee camp near Bethlehem.

Hundreds of Palestinians flee as Israel opens dams into Gaza Valley Feb. 22, 2015 (Photo: Ma'an News)

Hundreds of Palestinians flee as Israel opens dams into Gaza Valley Feb. 22, 2015 (Photo: Ma’an News)

Plus, Israel opened dams near the border of Gaza on Sunday morning, flooding the valley causing hundreds of Palestinians to evacuate their homes. That happened last year too.  Are these kinds of punitive measures something Palestinians have come to expect from Israel every winter like clockwork?

Remember last year when Israel caged Palestinian children in outdoor holding pens during freezing winter storms?

138 Responses

  1. bintbiba
    February 24, 2015, 10:48 am

    Does ‘adding insult to injury’ begin to describe the vulgar infamy …… ?

    • Philemon
      February 24, 2015, 8:19 pm

      No.

      Of course not. It’s utter inhumanity with a top-dressing of sadism. And of course it’s collective punishment.

      No power company in the U.S. cuts off power to any customer like that. I know because I was once a starving graduate student. There’s some law or another, plus the fact that they don’t want the newspapers going on about how people froze to death due to their callous heartlessness, that makes them very lenient about overdue bills.

      So far as I was aware, there were also lengthy legal proceedings the power company had to engage in to evict you before they could cut off your power.

    • Cheyn-Stocks
      February 25, 2015, 5:39 pm

      – Palestine receives billions of dollars and free products – fuel and building materials. (from USA and EC)
      But Hamas instead of building schools and housing
      build tunnels for terrorism
      – Hamas uses for this money allocated for building housing and schools !
      – For the construction of tunnels Hamas uses child labor!
      – and Palestine do not pay taxes to Israel!
      and does not pay for electricity!
      Israel not should to supply the Palestinians with free electricity!
      – in any country will disable those who do not pay for electricity or gas!

      Russia cut off gas for Ukraine! – In the winter as well!

       all of this article – a lie!
       the sole purpose of this article is to slander and
      incitement of hatred towards Israel and the Jews!

      • weiss
        February 25, 2015, 9:48 pm

        Sadism is NOT a Jewish value.

        Do us Moderate Jews a favor and please stop because you are embarrassing ALL OF US ….

      • talknic
        February 25, 2015, 9:55 pm

        Cheyn-Stocks ” Palestine receives billions of dollars and free products – fuel and building materials. (from USA and EC)”

        Sources of your information please and to show that Israel actually allows the billions of dollars and materials to arrive …. thanks

        <em"But Hamas instead of building schools and housing
        build tunnels for terrorism"

        Can you show evidence of more than the one un-used concrete lined tunnel that came out near an IDF outpost and could easily have been built by the IDF itself

        For the construction of tunnels Hamas uses child labor!”

        Sources for your claims please…

        “– and Palestine do not pay taxes to Israel!”

        Why should they?

        “and does not pay for electricity!”

        International Law (GCs) tell us the Occupying Power is responsible for the shortfalls in necessities and to protect the occupied, not slaughter them and illegally settle their territory

        “Russia cut off gas for Ukraine! – In the winter as well!”

        Is your point that Israel as bad as Russia or two wrongs make a right?

        “the sole purpose of this article is to slander and
        incitement of hatred towards Israel and the Jews!”

        Go scream at those responsible, the Zionist Federation, Jewish Agency and consecutive Israeli Governments. The Palestinians have never asked to be partitioned, displaced, occupied or illegally settled.

      • oldgeezer
        February 25, 2015, 11:38 pm

        Stop occupying their land Cheyn.

        As the occupying power (which even the Israeli High Court of Justice recognizes) Israel is responsible for the health, welfare and economic opportunity for every individual in the West Bank and Gaza.

        Don’t want that responsibility? Implement the 2SS. Don’t want to do that then accept your responsibility and it’s costs. You will be called out at every opportunity for the failure to do so as it is legally required of you.

        On the other hand don’t worry too much. No thinking person thinks Israel will ever fulfill it’s legal requirements or act with an ounce of humanity.

        It’s funny to watch Israelis and ziionists destroy their own state. You coulda been a contender.

      • SHOTGUN285
        March 10, 2016, 3:28 pm

        So, they haven’t paid $500 million and their electricity gets turned off for 30 minutes as a warning. Oh the inhumanity. Nice of them to show the snow in the mountains, which is the only place it’s snowing in Israel, and that’s no where near Gaza or the West Bank, but that’s a minor detail. Just checked the weather there and it’s 63 degrees. Hardly a cruel winter cold spell. Or we could talk about how there are 1800 millionaires in Hamas alone that got rich from skimming foreign aid dollars and smuggling and stealing, rather than helping their own people so they wouldn’t have to live like this. But then, if they stopped letting them live in shit, then no one would feel sorry for the “people” and they’d stop giving them billions in aid dollars. In short this whole story is badly distorted and anti-semitic.

      • Annie Robbins
        March 10, 2016, 6:33 pm

        Nice of them to show the snow in the mountains, which is the only place it’s snowing in Israel,

        shotgun, you’re commenting on an article over a year old from winter 2015 and there was indeed a horrible cold spell in the region last year with many people tweeting photos of snow in jerusalem. freezing temperatures all around. this photo was taken in ramallah the same day — covered w/a blanket of snow.

    • Cheyn-Stocks
      February 25, 2015, 5:43 pm

      – And about the “caged Palestinian children in outdoor
      holding pens during freezing winter storms “-
      arrest terrorists (and teens – too!)
      not always possible to provide comfort to the terrorists …
      These teens are no long kept in the cold!
      – And none of these “children” is not frozen …

       all of this article – a lie!
       the sole purpose of this article is to slander and
      incitement of hatred towards Israel and the Jews

      • Bornajoo
        February 25, 2015, 7:08 pm

        “And none of these “children” is not frozen”

        Oops! They let another one out.

        Greetings CS. I can fully understand why you put the speech marks around the word “children”. I mean what a silly term, they are not real children like the Jewish Israeli ones and they just don’t deserve to be called children. Maybe try ‘animals’ or ‘cockroaches’. Those words might work better for you.

      • just
        February 25, 2015, 7:56 pm

        This happened in January, Cheyn-Stocks.

        “Salma died of hypothermia. The donor community which pledged 5.4 billion 4 Gaza stands accused link to theguardian.com … ”

        After you have a look here link to twitter.com, and determine the cause of death of this baby, perhaps you could read the linked Guardian article. From it’s intro:

        “Baby Salma died of hypothermia at just 40 days old. Her body was drenched with freezing rainwater. It was frozen “like ice-cream”. Gaza was hit by a severe winter storm called “Huda” in January. Salma was its youngest victim.”

        (Unlike Gunness, I blame Israel first.)

        PS~ are you any relation to this Cheyne- Stokes?

        “Cheyne-Stokes respiration
        n.
        An abnormal pattern of breathing characterized by a gradual increase in depth and sometimes in rate to a maximum depth, followed by a decrease resulting in apnea, usually seen in comatose individuals having diseased nervous centers of respiration.”
        (The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary)

        Salma probably breathed that way toward the end…

        You couldn’t be a relation to Dick Cheney, could you?

      • Philemon
        February 25, 2015, 8:32 pm

        Now, Bornajoo, people like Cheyn-Stocks are at least psychologically interesting even if it saddens you try to imagine his or her mindset.

        He or she has just registered here to comment, in not so idiomatic English, that the article in question – or “all of this article”, as he or she puts it – is “a lie” with the “sole purpose” of inciting “hatred towards Israel and the Jews.” I especially like that last bit about “the Jews,” as though what Israel does reflects on everyone with any Jewish heritage, when anyone with any Jewish heritage in my personal experience doesn’t want anything to do with the place.

        The fact that Cheyn-Stocks defends Israel’s actions by claiming that others are worse, and then claims that it’s all a lie about Israel anyway suggests some cognitive dissonance.

        Many people don’t like to admit they’ve been duped. It makes them question their judgment, and that can be a painful process. Some people are up to wanting truth and honesty even if it reflects badly on their acuity, and some just want another comforting fantasy-world to reside in.

      • a blah chick
        February 25, 2015, 9:13 pm

        “- And about the “caged Palestinian children in outdoor holding pens during freezing winter storms “- arrest terrorists (and teens – too!) not always possible to provide comfort to the terrorists … These teens are no long kept in the cold! – And none of these “children” is not frozen”

        You are well on your way to becoming my new favorite commenter (hasbara division). I have not seen so much barely coherent cluelessness since my beloved Shuki stopped dropping in.

        I salute you.

      • Philemon
        February 25, 2015, 9:49 pm

        That should be “to try to” of course.

      • oldgeezer
        February 25, 2015, 11:34 pm

        Hi Cheyn

        I love it when racist zionists show their lack of humanity. You and your fellow travellers do more for the ultimate freedom of Palestinians than anyone else.

        Posts like yours destroy any sympathy for Israel and Israelis.

        People are tired of the facism, brutality and murders.

        Keep up the good work.

      • Kris
        February 26, 2015, 9:53 am

        @cheyn-stocks: “the sole purpose of this article is to slander and incitement of hatred towards Israel and the Jews.”

        It is antisemitic to link Israel and “the Jews.” Israel is a hateful country based on the racist ideology of Zionism. “The Jews” are people who practice Judaism, and some of them abhore Israel.

        The sole purpose of posts like yours is to promote antisemitism by conflating “The Jews” with their greatest enemy, Israel.

        I have seen patients doing “Cheyne-Stokes” breathing at the ends of their lives; distressing for their families as they watch them die. Why did you chose this as your screen name?

      • eljay
        February 26, 2015, 10:06 am

        || Cheyn-Stocks: … the sole purpose of this article is to slander and incitement of hatred towards Israel and the Jews … ||

        The sole purpose of your anti-Semitic comment is to conflate Israel with all Jews in order to ensure that all Jews are held responsible for the actions of Zio-supremacist Jews and the state of Israel. Why do you hate Jews so much?

  2. just
    February 24, 2015, 10:54 am

    Thanks for this really important and well- done article, Annie. The cruelty toward, and disregard for the lives of Occupied Palestinians continues unabated.

    Reposting here:

    Amira Hass:

    “Will the PA be forced to dissolve? The dangers of Palestinian recession

    The PA cannot guarantee its residents a fair economic subsistence, even under the occupation, due to Israel’s prohibitive policies, which in eight years have cost the authority tens of billions of shekels.

    Between the U.S. court decision against the PLO and the cut off of electrical power to the northern West Bank – the warped logic of the continuing existence of the Palestinian Authority, an entity that should have been temporary but became permanent, reached new heights on Monday.

    From the day of its founding two decades ago, the PA had responsibilities and duties, but was deprived of authority and resources. The Oslo Accords between an organization (the PLO) and a state (Israel) created this asymmetric reality: In it, the occupied bears legal and financial responsibility toward the occupier and its citizens, and it is punished if it rises up against the foreign ruler. The occupier is free to keep ruling and to harm the occupied.

    Monday was a day of bad economic news for Palestinian society. In the background lies an acute recession, added to five years of chronic economic stagnation. Israel continues to freeze the transfer of Palestinian taxes that it collects, so since January 170,000 public service workers have received only 60 percent of their salaries, which are insufficient to begin with.

    The results include a slowdown in commerce in the West Bank, belated payments to institutions and private businesses, and reduction of municipal projects, and therefore a further loss of revenue for the PA, workers who can’t even afford to commute to work, and mounting incidences of burglary.

    Compounding the economic recession and stagnation are the hundreds of millions of dollars that jurors in an American court this week ordered the PLO and PA to pay compensation to Israeli-American victims of Palestinian armed attacks; the danger that the Israel Electric Corporation will continue to cut off electricity intermittently; and the flooding in Palestinian neighborhoods in Hebron and the Gaza Strip due to recent storms. All this comes on top of the emotional and physical destruction in Gaza, whose reconstruction seems farther away than ever.”

    link to haaretz.com

    From the article:

    “This is an entity that has to function without 62 percent of its territory, without control of water resources and the electromagnetic spectrum, without any control at borders and over population registry and citizenship rights, without freedom of movement, and without any control over the fate of existing and potential revenues – from customs duties, exports, mining, fishing, expanding industry or agriculture.

    The World Bank has already determined that the Palestinians are losing billions of dollars annually because of Israeli control over Area C (there was a loss of $3.4 billion in 2011 alone), control that prevents growth and development. And that does not even include losses from Israel’s policy to strangulate manufacture and other productive activity in Gaza, by means of forbidding marketing and exports.

    If the PA could guarantee its residents a fair economic subsistence, even under Israeli occupation – it would be able to demand that they and the local and municipal councils pay their electricity bills. But the enormous debts to the IEC and the PA’s difficulties in meeting other payments, like to suppliers, hospitals and universities, are the direct and natural result of restrictions on the freedom of movement and development that Israel has forced upon the authority: The two million shekels the PA owes the IEC are dwarfed by the tens of billions that the Palestinian economy has lost just in the past eight years because of Israel’s restrictive and prohibitive policies.

    Is the dissolution of the PA a solution? A member of Islamic Jihad told Haaretz last week, “I detest the PA. Its existence is a disaster, but its dismantlement would be a greater disaster.””

    Compare and contrast with this from 2 days ago. Haaretz had this picture from Israel:

    link to haaretz.com

    • a blah chick
      February 24, 2015, 2:02 pm

      “Is the dissolution of the PA a solution? A member of Islamic Jihad told Haaretz last week, “I detest the PA. Its existence is a disaster, but its dismantlement would be a greater disaster.”

      For whom?

    • Annie Robbins
      February 24, 2015, 2:30 pm

      thanks just. amira hass is awesome. one of the best!

  3. pabelmont
    February 24, 2015, 11:17 am

    Someday the world will notice and take offense at Israel’s sticking its thumb in the world’s (the human rights world’s) eye in these manners. And then all hell will break loose.

    As it is, this is part of Israel’s 66-yerar pattern: to do something fairly dreadful and then look to see if USA or anyone else takes a serious, a real (not just words) action in response. so far there has been no such action. These feeble (mostly EU) recommendations toward recognition of the State of Palestine are little better than mere words. Amend: a little better.

  4. Palikari
    February 24, 2015, 11:20 am

    Pay the bill if you want power! It’s that easy, guys.

    • Kris
      February 24, 2015, 1:02 pm

      Palikari, do you even read the articles before you post your comments?

    • John O
      February 24, 2015, 1:10 pm

      Pay the bill if you want F35s. It’s that easy guys.

    • Kris
      February 24, 2015, 4:38 pm

      “Palikari,” why did you choose this name to represent yourself with? Just cynicism?

      I was interested to discover, just now, that a “palikar” is a Greek militiaman in the Greek war for independence against the Turks 1821–28.

      In the film “Palikari,” the “palikar” is Greek immigrant Louis Tikas, a union leader who was beaten and then shot in the back by the Colorado National Guard in the Ludlow Massacre in 1914 during the coal workers’ strike.

      “The coal miners in Colorado and other western states had been trying to join the UMWA for many years. They were bitterly opposed by the coal operators, led by the Colorado Fuel and Iron Company.

      “Upon striking, the miners and their families had been evicted from their company-owned houses and had set up a tent colony on public property. The massacre occurred in a carefully planned attack on the tent colony by Colorado militiamen, coal company guards, and thugs hired as private detectives and strike breakers. They shot and burned to death 18 striking miners and their families and one company man. Four women and 11 small children died holding each other under burning tents. Later investigations revealed that kerosine had intentionally been poured on the tents to set them ablaze. The miners had dug foxholes in the tents so the women and children could avoid the bullets that randomly were shot through the tent colony by company thugs. The women and children were found huddled together at the bottoms of their tents.

      “The Baldwin Felts Detective Agency had been brought in to suppress the Colorado miners. They brought with them an armored car mounted with a machine gun—the Death Special— that roamed the area spraying bullets. The day of the massacre, the miners were celebrating Greek Easter. At 10:00 AM the militia ringed the camp and began firing into the tents upon a signal from the commander, Lt. Karl E. Lindenfelter. Not one of the perpetrators of the slaughter were ever punished, but scores of miners and their leaders were arrested and black-balled from the coal industry.” link to umwa.org

      Just like the IDF and the Jewish “settlers” killing Palestinians with impunity, which you defend.

      • Mooser
        February 24, 2015, 9:31 pm

        “Just like the IDF and the Jewish “settlers” killing Palestinians with impunity, which you defend.”

        Oh, I don’t know, the IDF has lots of repeating weapons, while ol’ Palikari seem to have a muzzle-loader. One feeble, inaccurate shot, a lot of smoke, and he high-tails out of site. I don’t think he has ever been able to manage more than one sentence, before beating a retreat.

      • CigarGod
        February 25, 2015, 8:57 am

        Human’s can justify/rationalize anything. Must be God’s plan.

      • Mayhem
        February 25, 2015, 5:49 pm

        @Kris, using ad hominems demonstrates the paucity of your arguments. This goes for the large majority of commenters at MW who love to abuse those who defend Israel by perverting their names (me included). Such derogatory tactics only cheapen the Palestinian cause and are no substitute for truth and open, honest discussion.

      • Kris
        February 25, 2015, 7:44 pm

        @Mayhem: “@Kris, using ad hominems demonstrates the paucity of your arguments.”

        What “arguments,” Mayhem? And what “ad hominems”?

        I asked “Palikari” why he chose that particular name, which seems incongruous in light of his comment history on mondoweiss. I explained the history of the name, and I said that the people who slaughtered the mine workers in 1914 acted with impunity, as do the IDF and Jewish “settlers” who kill Palestinians with impunity.

        This might be helpful:

        Informal Structure of ad Hominem:

        Person L says argument A.
        Person L’s circumstance or character is not satisfactory.
        Argument A is not a good argument. link to philosophy.lander.edu

        In pointing out that the IDF and Jewish “settlers” act with impunity and so did those who killed the Colorado miners, and pointing out that “Palakari” has a history here of defending Israeli impunity, I am not attacking “Palikari’s” character in order to discredit his arguments. I am pointing out how inappropriate his choice of screen name seems to be.

        I am asking why “Palikari” chose a screen name that doesn’t fit in with the image he presents here. It would be as if commenter “just” had chosen the screen name “Ghengas Khan” or “Pinochet.” It wouldn’t seem to fit, and I would wonder why she had picked it.

        I’d love to know what you’re identifying as ad hominems in my post, and also would love to know why you picked “Mayhem,” which means: “actions that hurt people and destroy things : a scene or situation that involves a lot of violence.” link to merriam-webster.com

    • jjs
      February 27, 2015, 1:37 am

      Absolutely! Try not paying your electric bill anywhere in Europe or America and see what happens. Do you think they’ll wait years until you consider doing the power company the favor of paying them? Do you think anyone will consider it cruel to cut off your power because you didn’t pay your bill? No, that’s what everyone expects and knows will inevitably happen when you don’t pay your bills. As usual, the delusional crowd here seems to believe that for some unfathomable reason the Palestinians are “different” and are therefore exempt from paying their bills. They’re not. You and I pay our bills. If we don’t, there are consequences, and we know what they are: no more power. There is no reason on earth whatsoever why the Palestinians should not pay their electricity bill, like everyone else on the planet.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 27, 2015, 12:10 pm

        There is no reason on earth whatsoever why the Palestinians should not pay their electricity bill, like everyone else on the planet.

        hmm, not really. utility companies are generally either controlled privately therefore it is a contractual agreement between 2 independent parties or else they are state controlled therefore it is a relationship between the polity and those that polity represents, in a democracy those people have a say in who represents them. in palestine the people have no choice but to purchase their electricity from the government who offers them no rights or representation and routinely oppresses, kills, and imprisons* them and also steals their land and resources. so no, this is definitely not like everyone else on the planet. not at all.

        *ie, routine in palestine: link to mondoweiss.net

        Aspiring chef shot dead by Israeli soldier
        Palestinian girl injured after being hit by settler vehicle in Silwan
        Palestinian injured after being rammed by an Israeli car in Hebron
        Israeli extremists attack shop in Hebron
        Four injured by live Israeli fire in Bethlehem
        Dancing children attacked by Israeli forces
        Israeli extremists open fire on Palestinian homes in Bethlehem
        Five Palestinians kidnapped in the West Bank
        Several Palestinians injured near Jenin; three children kidnapped in Jerusalem
        Settlers burn mosque near Bethlehem
        Christian center set on fire, vandalized in Jerusalem hate crime attack

  5. ckg
    February 24, 2015, 11:31 am

    Kershner at NYT predictably softens her headline: “With Palestinian Debt Rising, Israeli Utility Briefly Reduces Power to West Bank”. Compare to LA Times headline: “Israel cuts off electricity to thousands of West Bank Palestinians”.

  6. amigo
    February 24, 2015, 11:41 am

    Israel has no borders and those who run it have no limits to their cruelty .I hope to live to see the day “Zionists” are filing in a row out of Palestine with just their shirts on their backs and enough food for the walk to Israel –if it is still around.If not , well they can experience the life of a Palestinian on a diet and without heat and clean water and drink skunk juice and ponder their own actions until someone takes pity on them and takes them in ,(best of luck with that).

    Payback is a b—h.

    • Chu
      February 24, 2015, 12:18 pm

      At this point it would be better to see Israel dismantled or to return to the 1948 borders with serious reparations to the Palestinians/Arabs and/or whomever they’ve made a living hell to these last 60+ years. Even though their occupation is a rotting stench around the globe, the media manages to make it smell much more pleasant in the US.

  7. Herb Glatter
    February 24, 2015, 11:50 am

    1. There are NO Zionist dams in the area. AFP prodded by Camera has to revise their libel.
    link to israellycool.com
    2. Palestinians have continuously violated the cursed Oslo Accords including the latest stunt applying to the ICC. Would you expect Israelis to just shrug their shoulders?
    Abbas stopped in Stockholm to pick up a check for $211 million and Sweden will double this amount over time. where’s the money? going to pay convicted terrorists sitting in jail.
    link to israelhayom.com

    • Annie Robbins
      February 24, 2015, 1:00 pm

      link to en.wikipedia.org

      Other surface water

      In Gaza, the only source of surface water has been the Wadi Gaza. Since the early 1970s, Israel has built check dams,[16][17][18][19] and diverts part of its water for agricultural purposes within Israel prior to its arrival to Gaza.[20][21]

      and then they un-divert it in the worst of weather and flood the place.

      you can read more about it here: link to vinc.s.free.fr (pdf) by putting “dam” in the search function.

      • Herb Glatter
        February 24, 2015, 1:11 pm

        Daily Mail apologizes for errors. Will you? link to honestreporting.com

      • Annie Robbins
        February 24, 2015, 2:37 pm

        excuse me? i have no reason to apologize. read what your own link says:

        An earlier version of this article stated that Israel had opened river dams in the south of the country, causing flooding in the Gaza strip.

        i never wrote “river dams” and even in my supporting explanation up there it says nothing about river dams. did you even bother to open the links i provided you? i’m not here as your personal researcher. if you refute this showing NO evidence you’re even reading or responding to my source material you may have to just wait around til someone else is moderating to get your comment thru.

        maybe you’re unaware of what a wadi is. try google, educate yourself before making a fool of yourself. and there are even GRAPHS at my pdf link, if you choose to open it.

        p.s. “honest reporting” my arse.

      • DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 3:20 pm

        actually parsing the word dam into categories of dam such as ‘river dam’ and wadi and what was it, a ‘check’ dam? people can call anything anything they want. People call Hamas rockets fire-crackers when it suits their purpose and what some call rocks-others call boulders. the fact remains that there are no dams in the southern part of israel. there are retention basins but they were not disturbed. a wadi is a dry riverbed that floods during the rainy season. and that is what happened. israel had no more ‘control’ over this then the snow in the golan.

        so you never said a “river dam” but you said a “dam” and its pretty patently absurd despite your highly evolved debating skills. you should really just throw in the towel on this ‘dam’ thing. its weather. sderot was also flooded but nobody blamed that on anybody else.

      • hophmi
        February 24, 2015, 3:38 pm

        Just concede this one, Annie. This is a common claim the Palestinians make, and only the Palestinians make, and it’s always immediately debunked as nonsense. That’s why no one outside Ma’an and other Arab outlets have picked up this story, not even Al Jazeera.

        It rained. There was flooding in Israel too, right around the same place. link to ynetnews.com

        There is nothing in this report about Israel “opening” the check dams (not sure how you’d “open” a check dam in the first place, since it’s often a barrier of rock), and a number of references to how the area floods seasonally.

      • just
        February 24, 2015, 7:44 pm

        “Yousef Munayyer
        The “no dams” claim is demonstrably false. There are MANY dams in the negev area.”

        “Zoom into this bridge and see for yourself. How does water miraculously stop here?

        link to google.com …”

        “Maybe @Libby_weiss can explain why it seems water is stopped right here by Israel before flowing into Wadi Gaza link to pbs.twimg.com …”

        Munayyer has done the work to disprove Herb’s and Dabakr’s posts wrt “no dams”

        much more @ link to twitter.com

      • hophmi
        February 25, 2015, 12:29 pm

        The Shmika Stream is close to the northern part of Gaza. Habesor is close to the Southern end. The couple of blocks where people were evacuated in Gaza is near Habesor, and as I’ve already pointed out, there was flooding in Israel in the same place.

        Again, this claim about the dams is an old propaganda chestnut. link to jta.org

        The Daily Mail has apologized for reprinting this old nonsense:

        “An earlier version of this article stated that Israel had opened river dams in the south of the country, causing flooding in the Gaza strip. In fact, there are no dams in southern Israel and the flooding was caused by rain and drainage issues. We are happy to clarify this.”

        link to dailymail.co.uk

        Can’t get much more definitive than that. But you guys routinely fall for this stuff.

    • just
      February 24, 2015, 1:52 pm

      Where is the money that Israel has (illegally) kept from the PA, Herb?

      Where is the Palestinians’ potable water that Israel has been stealing? Why does Israel only dump dirty water/sewage on Gazans?

      Why did Israel bomb the power plant in Gaza during their summer massacre?

      Why hasn’t Israel paid for all of the targeted and deliberate destruction, death, and disabilities that its terrorism has wrought on Gaza, the West Bank and Jerusalem?

      Why?

      • just
        February 24, 2015, 2:21 pm

        via Max B:

        “48Refugee

        Israel isn’t just flooding Gaza, it’s flooding homes with untreated sewage, despite freezing weather & rain storms”

        link to twitter.com

        and

        link to twitter.com

        and

        “Yousef Munayyer

        Water “into Gaza from the Naqab decreased as result of Israeli dams that would otherwise flow into the Gaza Strip.””

        link to web.macam.ac.il

        link to twitter.com

    • amigo
      February 24, 2015, 2:07 pm

      “AFP prodded by Camera”.Herb Glatter.

      Would that be the C.A.M.E.R.A. ==of accuracy for Middle East Reporting fame.

      Nuff said.

      • DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 5:11 pm

        you can think what you want about camera but it is perceived no differently then alJazeera, ma’an, or even the Guardian. At least when the subject is the i/p. alJazeera had a small window where they could have gone in the either direction at the dawn of the so-called ‘arab-spring’ but easily slid back into the muck of ;’advocacy’ journalism. All their most credible journalists either quit in disgust or were pushed out for not towing the Qatari’s line. Its recent ‘expose’ on ‘secret’ mossad cables is so stupid and asinine to anyone familiar with even the basics of either mossad and/or South africa policy that its laughable. these cables were supposedly sent during a period when relations between SA and Israel reached its lowest point ever (and still there). The SAS are notoriously corrupt and inefficient ( S. Africans opinions, not mine) and have very little ability to collate intelligence that wasn’t somehow specifically leaked or given to them with th purpose of seeding a story. And besides that-AJ know that mossad and Israel will never confirm or deny any ‘story’ like this as they would not grant it the credibility in the first place. but there is absolutely no reason to even pretend that massed would have been sharing intelligence secrets with the SAS during the period when Durban and the courting of PLO figures was taking place.
        So again-think what you will about CAMERA as an advocate but don;t kid yourself that AJ, Guardian, EI, and even MW-when it is publishing actual news stories-is an advocacy site and one can not expect to find any balance here either.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 24, 2015, 6:39 pm

        you can think what you want about camera but it is perceived no differently then alJazeera, ma’an, or even the Guardian. – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

        lol, by whom? you wish! besides, camera is not “media” they are a hasbara gotcha outfit. what story have they broken, ever? besides “bwah, that’s not true!”

      • Mooser
        February 24, 2015, 9:36 pm

        Whoa, ol’ “DAbakr” is a real “CAMERA” fan. Never seen him open up like that at that length before. He loves him some CAMERA.

        Ah the resident Zionist fact-checkers. And the depth of their sources!

      • RoHa
        February 24, 2015, 11:06 pm

        “for not towing the Qatari’s line.

        “For not TOEING the Qatari’s line”, dammit.

      • DaBakr
        February 25, 2015, 1:47 pm

        @rh

        it bad enough that Mac’s new OS has a new spelling correction program that mutilates innocent sentences but as I said before-if your criticizing minor auto-correct spelling mistakes as a last resort……

        and yes-I understand the meaning of what the “line” is in the colloquialism and why is isn’t “towed”. tnx

      • RoHa
        February 25, 2015, 6:12 pm

        “criticizing minor auto-correct spelling mistakes as a last resort”

        My ire was misdirected. I apologize. That blasted auto-correct creates more errors than drunkenness and illiteracy combined. (Or so I suspect. I haven’t tried typing while illiterate.)

        Not a last resort, though.

      • Kris
        February 28, 2015, 11:49 am

        @DaBakr: “you can think what you want about camera but it is perceived no differently then alJazeera, ma’an, or even the Guardian. At least when the subject is the i/p.”

        This is so funny! Thanks, DaBakr.

        Sort of like, ” you can think what you want about Vaccination Liberation but it is perceived no differently than the Journal of The American Medical Association , the New England Journal of Medicine, or even The Lancet. At least when the subject is immunology.”

    • a blah chick
      February 24, 2015, 2:07 pm

      You mean the people sitting in jail because Israel re-arrested them in clear violation of the agreements they entered into during the last prisoner exchange?

      Tide’s starting to turn, Herb, but hang in there!

    • a blah chick
      February 24, 2015, 2:24 pm

      Herb, the people who comment here are very well-informed, some have or are living in the Middle East. So, the usual crap hasbara talking points are not going to fly here.

      You need to bring your A-game.

      • Annie Robbins
        February 24, 2015, 2:44 pm

        You need to bring your A-game.

        lol, i’m afraid this is herb’s “a-game”. #clueless

    • amigo
      February 24, 2015, 2:31 pm

      “1. There are NO Zionist dams in the area.” HG

      Maybe not but there are sure more than enough dam ZIONISTS in the area.

      2. Palestinians have continuously violated the cursed Oslo Accords including the latest stunt applying to the ICC. -HG

      Well , in case you missed it , Nuttyahoo killed the Oslo Accords.

      “This video should have been banned for broadcast to minors. This video should have been shown in every home in Israel, then sent to Washington and Ramallah. Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel. Channel 10 presented: The real (and deceitful ) face of Binyamin Netanyahu. Broadcast on Friday night on “This Week with Miki Rosenthal,” it was filmed secretly in 2001, during a visit by Citizen Netanyahu to the home of a bereaved family in the settlement of Ofra, and astoundingly, it has not created a stir. ” Haaretz.

      link to haaretz.com

      Try to keep up Herb, you owe it to Israel.

      • DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 3:23 pm

        @amg

        interesting that you admitted that “maybe not” on the dam issue. all else-as usual-opinion opinion opinion.

    • amigo
      February 24, 2015, 2:51 pm

      Herbie, Herbie ,Herbie,

      israelhayom is the zionist rag owned by sheldon adelson and distributed free.

      So far you have given us camera , now israelhayom.What,s next ,, Joan Peters.

      • just
        February 24, 2015, 2:55 pm

        +1!

      • Herb Glatter
        February 25, 2015, 1:07 pm

        Article retracted, 25/2/2015.

        Editor’s note: An earlier version of this page hosted an article which stated that Israel had, without warning, opened a number of dams, which had resulted in a part of Gaza being flooded.

        This was false.

        In southern Israel, there are no dams of the type which can be opened.

        We apologise for this error.

        Al Jazeera depends on objective reporting and strives to correct all errors of fact. We are committed to accountability and transparency.

        We encourage our audience and others to identify and report our mistakes.

        Source: Al Jazeera and agencies
        link to aljazeera.com

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      February 24, 2015, 3:15 pm

      What in god’s name is a ”Zionist dam”? Is its name Herzl, and does it sing ”HaTikvah”?

      Maybe Israelycool will have the answers I seek?

      • gamal
        February 24, 2015, 6:20 pm

        “What in god’s name is a ”Zionist dam”? one you cant blame on the Jews.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 24, 2015, 6:36 pm

      herb, your tag team showed up.

      dabakr, go moan to wikipedia. this is what they are called, i didn’t invent the term nor was my source written as some publicity stunt after last winters flooding.

      there are retention basins but they were not disturbed. a wadi is a dry riverbed that floods during the rainy season. and that is what happened. israel had no more ‘control’ over this then the snow in the golan.

      really. they have no control unless they want the water, then they have plenty of control. yes, it’s weather, and no, it is not like the snow in the golan.

      • justicewillprevail
        February 24, 2015, 7:35 pm

        It gets worse. Israel originally dammed two streams which supplied the wetland area of Wadi Gaza. That dried up the area’s water source and the fertile land. They then use their power to flood the area and force people out of their homes when it suits them. They have done this already in 2013. Just another entry in the catalogue of small-minded heartlessness beloved by Israel.
        link to maannews.com
        And now hasbara central is trying to torpedo the story about Yahoo lying at the UN by using their refutation of this story (what river, what dams, blah blah) to undermine the source of the story (Al Jazeera). Oh what a tangled web we weave, eh Israel?

      • Herb Glatter
        February 25, 2015, 1:41 pm

        AlJazeera apologized for printing this false story. Now will you apologize???????????

      • DaBakr
        February 25, 2015, 2:00 pm

        @an

        sure. had this happened during a time of drought-and suddenly a basin was opened up and flooded a wadi- there might be a reason to arch and eyebrow. but your arguing that Israel has control of severe weather. its childlike. if the Hamas could also blame the severe cold on israel-it would. Oh right, they already did.

        My personal theory now is that the 1000s of Hamas rockets fired last summer caused lots of holes that connected all the 1000s of tunnels together so when it rained the water ran back thru the tunnels into Gaza and it was all the master plan of the Zionist IDF who always ‘knew’ about the tunnels and the coming rains. I wonder if AJ would run with this ‘story’

  8. HarryLaw
    February 24, 2015, 12:00 pm

    PLO/PA found responsible for terrorist acts in Israel, will the US try and extradite Palestinian leaders including Abbas, put them on trial and execute them? I would not put it past the Israelis to try. On the other hand the Israelis use the courts very effectively, the Palestinians even though they have all the law on their side are very reluctant to pursue legal options. With Israels de facto annexation of area C [62% of West Bank] that fried ‘chicken solution’ as advocated by David Bar-illan Director of Communication and policy planning in Netanyahu’s office, is coming along fine, then when the Palestinians are in bantustans surrounded by settlements, cut off the electricity, flood their homes and kill them whenever they get the chance.

  9. American
    February 24, 2015, 12:38 pm

    Versus….

    US court orders Palestinians to pay Israeli attack victims more than $218M

    link to america.aljazeera.com

    A U.S. jury on Monday ordered the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the Palestinian Authority (PA) to pay more than $218 million for providing material support used in shootings and bombings in the Jerusalem area more than a decade ago.
    The verdict in Manhattan federal court added a new dimension to
    the long-running Middle East conflict, as American victims sought to use U.S. courts to seek damages under the Anti-Terrorism Act.
    Jurors found in favor of 10 American families suing over six attacks attributed to Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and Hamas. Victims and their families had requested more than $350 million over shootings and bombings from 2002 to 2004 that killed 33 people and injured over 450.

    “Because the U.S. does not recognize Palestine as a state, the PLO and PA do not have immunity under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act (FSIA), which prevents lawsuits against foreign countries in American courts. Alleged crimes committed against American citizens by the Israeli military, including the death of U.S. activist Rachel Corrie, are therefore not admissible in U.S. courts.”>>>

    Its always the money, always. ….a insatiable herd of locust on the land.

    • a blah chick
      February 24, 2015, 2:12 pm

      So, who’s gonna foot this bill? PA doesn’t have any money.

      • DaBakr
        February 24, 2015, 6:35 pm

        @abc

        it will be years of appeals first and then-if upheld-another long stretch to having reward reduced and then more years before collected.

    • just
      February 24, 2015, 2:39 pm

      More info from Charlotte Silver’s article in EI:

      “The jury awarded the plaintiffs $218.5 million of the original one billion dollars sought in damages. Damages awarded in cases filed under the the Anti-Terrorism Act are automatically tripled, bringing the total amount owed by the Palestinian political bodies to $655.5 million.”
      – See more at: link to mondoweiss.net

    • hophmi
      February 24, 2015, 3:26 pm

      Yes, the $218 million verdict, which will never be collected, is all about the money. You got it American. The families of dead Jewish victims of terrorism – they just care about the money. LOL.

    • DaBakr
      February 24, 2015, 6:33 pm

      @am

      right, “its always the money…” except when its not, as it is not in this case. after over 25yrs-it was hardly about the money

      • Mooser
        February 24, 2015, 9:49 pm

        “except when its not, as it is not in this case. after over 25yrs-it was hardly about the money”

        Sure, the money gets less important as time goes by. If that’s the case, why not drop the suit?

      • DaBakr
        February 25, 2015, 2:08 pm

        @ms
        “why not drop the case”

        i don;t want to point out how idiotic this comment is but really-why shouldn’t the dozen or so US families drop a suit they have been pursuing for decades because YOU inexplicably seem to favor appeasing the PLO which has consistently lied about not funding the militants that committed the specific acts of murder? And its not like the billion of dollars that gets shoveled into Abbas’s pockets goes to help regular, non-militant Palestinians anyway.

        the victims families don’t need the money. it will almost surely be donated. you often speak before you know what your talking about. maybe you should stick to jokes.

      • talknic
        February 26, 2015, 5:01 am

        DaBakr “And its not like the billion of dollars that gets shoveled into Abbas’s pockets goes to help regular, non-militant Palestinians anyway”

        An accusation without evidence … why am I not amazed? Oh I’m sure you have some, other than more accusations, which without evidence, aren’t evidence … I’ll wait ….

  10. hophmi
    February 24, 2015, 3:25 pm

    “Plus, Israel opened dams near the border of Gaza on Sunday morning, flooding the valley causing hundreds of Palestinians to evacuate their homes. ”

    Are we still repeating this discredited nonsense about the dams? Here’s a good activity: Find the dams Israel supposedly opened to cause all of this flooding.

    I’ll save you the trouble: there are no dams in southern Israel. This nonsense about dams is an old lie that is repeated by Palestinian authorities every time there is flooding in the Strip. The Strip is on the water. When there’s a lot of rain, there can be flooding, just like every other place on Earth that is near water. Want to bet the 40 homes (which is what, a couple of square blocks?) that were evacuated are right near the coast?

    Contrary to what you may have heard, the Jews do not control the weather.

    • hophmi
      February 25, 2015, 12:21 pm

      Put through.

      • just
        February 25, 2015, 5:17 pm

        Are you being imperious and rude again, hophmi? Are these folks any relation to you?

        link to mondoweiss.net

    • Bornajoo
      February 25, 2015, 4:19 pm

      “Contrary to what you may have heard, the Jews do not control the weather.”

      Why do you say JEWS when the whole discussion is about ISRAEL?? it’s you zionists who keep conflating the two completely separate terms because it suits your purpose to drag all Jews into your sick conspiracy and to create the false impression of anti semitism. STOP DOING THIS!!

      and nobody made that stupid claim

      • Bornajoo
        February 25, 2015, 5:08 pm

        “Are we still repeating this discredited nonsense about the dams? Here’s a good activity: Find the dams Israel supposedly opened to cause all of this flooding.”

        Hallelujah praise the Lord!! A miracle, oh Lord a miracle!!

        A calamity for the Palestinians that Israel DIDN’T ACTUALLY COMMIT!

        Maybe there is something up there after all!

    • just
      February 25, 2015, 5:23 pm

      80 families.

      Of course you would try to diminish the suffering, hophmi.

      +1 x 2, Bornajoo!

    • talknic
      February 26, 2015, 4:49 am

      @ hophmi “I’ll save you the trouble: there are no dams in southern Israel.”

      Strange

      31°21’39.79″N 34°22’33.18″E
      31°22’53.12″N 34°23’33.70″E
      31°21’56.23″N 34°27’36.04″E
      31°22’44.44″N 34°29’3.88″E
      31°29’54.97″N 34°30’59.68″E
      31°31’6.30″N 34°33’55.33″E

      “Contrary to what you may have heard, the Jews do not control the weather “

      True. Two points tho. 1) The post you’re answering to says “Israel” not ‘Jews’ . Why is it necessary for you to conflate the two?

      2) Israel controls the resources necessary to build infrastructure to handle storm and flood waters in Gaza.

  11. Bornajoo
    February 24, 2015, 4:56 pm

    @Annie
    “p.s. “honest reporting” my arse”.

    Hey Annie how come you used the British version of ‘arse’? That’s the first time I’ve seen an American use that version. Americans usually use the “ass” version which is the old word we use for a donkey and not our bottoms

    Nice one Annie.

    ‘ israel’ and ‘sadistic’ seem to belong together

    • Annie Robbins
      February 24, 2015, 6:34 pm

      i use arse when i don’t want to get caught swearing!

      • gamal
        February 24, 2015, 6:49 pm

        “arse” is a well composted and utterly wicked Anglo-Saxon word, like ****, there is no more excitingly transgressive word,

        “i use arse when i don’t want to get caught swearing!”

        You sound like the Queen of Bethnal Green, I suppose you plunder when you dont want to get caught stealing, will you have another jellied eel martini, ma’aam.

      • Mooser
        February 24, 2015, 9:52 pm

        “i use arse when i don’t want to get caught swearing! “

        That is a good idea. I will try it.

      • Bornajoo
        February 25, 2015, 3:14 am

        “i use arse when i don’t want to get caught swearing”

        Ah ha! Clever strategy. Reading some of this stuff makes me want to swear like crazy.

      • John O
        February 25, 2015, 3:26 am

        You really did make me laugh out loud just now!

      • Philemon
        February 25, 2015, 9:42 pm

        John O, come and join us. We have cookies and a sense of humor!

      • Annie Robbins
        February 27, 2015, 9:22 pm

        i’d love another jellied eel martini gamal. you mixing?

    • RoHa
      February 24, 2015, 10:46 pm

      Americans don’t like to write naughty words, but they think that British or Australian versions aren’t really naughty. (After all, we write them all the time, and they even get published on MW.)

      Americans were quite happy to advertise “Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me”, even though “shag” is a very naughty word in Britain. (And you can have fun buying carpets and pipe tobacco.) I doubt that an American equivalent (if there is one) would have been allowed.

      • Philemon
        February 25, 2015, 9:10 pm

        Roha, in U.S. America, it’s not only carpet and tobacco, it’s an early 70’s hairstyle… and a beach dance!

        The beach dance is still going strong, at least across the Eastern Seaboard yacht clubs, so far as I am aware.

  12. amigo
    February 24, 2015, 6:24 pm

    “Americans usually use the “ass” version which is the old word we use for a donkey and not our bottoms ” Bornajoo.

    The last time I sat my butt on a donkey , he kicked me off and made me feel like a real ass.

    Greetings from across the pond.

  13. Kay24
    February 24, 2015, 9:46 pm

    Reading the article and the comments here, it is becoming obvious that the Zionists are behaving more and more like the nazis of today. They have been sadistic and brutal in their treatment of a people, helpless and under their powers. I have heard this been said many times, from many people around the world.

  14. Boomer
    February 25, 2015, 7:35 am

    The U.S. supports and enables this. Our leaders continue to shower Israel with money and weapons, they protect it from action by the UN, they threaten Palestinians who have the audacity to hope for change and justice by appealing to the ICC, they continually praise Israel when it kills with bombs, or with cold and hunger.

    • Kay24
      February 25, 2015, 8:48 am

      No sooner the precision bombs are sent into the civilians homes, you will find US leaders, including the President, defending the massacres. You keep hearing ad nauseam the words “Israel has the right to defend itself”, but no one explains, or questions, what they are defending themselves from, when the women and children and killed and injured. Strange that a well armed, powerful occupier, has to keep defending itself from unarmed occupied civilians.
      We are always supporting a brutal occupier, and defending it and its war crimes at the UN,
      we arm them, and keep the love flowing. What the Israelis are doing, by cutting off electricity and risking the lives of women and children, who may die from the miserable cold, is inhumane,
      and sadistic. The hallmarks of zionism.

  15. just
    February 25, 2015, 9:41 am

    “Requests from the government to deduct the Palestinian debt from the tax money the government collects on the PA’s behalf had received a positive response in the past, but this time the government refused. Nor did the PA do enough to pay its debts, in part because of its inefficient collection of electricity bills from Palestinian customers.

    But cutting off the electricity to Palestinian cities cannot be addressed as if it were a pure business issue between debtor and creditor. The PA and parts of East Jerusalem are totally dependent on Israeli power, and cutting off a city means, among other things, directly harming essential services like hospitals, bakeries and manufacturing plants. In a situation where some 500 million shekels in tax revenues that the PA is entitled to has been frozen by Israel as punishment for the PA’s taking steps toward potentially bringing Israel to The Hague on war crimes charges, and when Israel is not prepared to supply water to the new Palestinian city of Rawabi, the electricity cutoff is perceived as another diplomatic punishment, rather than a means to collect a debt.

    The defense minister, the coordinator of government activity in the territories, and the national security adviser had all opposed the cutoff, understanding the diplomatic and humanitarian implications of such a step. But such recognition without taking action won’t resolve the problem. On the contrary; government indifference allows the Electric Corp. to conduct an independent policy with regard to the PA, one whose results are liable to be paid by Israelis and Palestinians alike.

    The government must find a reasonable solution to the PA’s arrears, hand over the frozen tax revenues so it can fulfill at least some of its obligations to the Electric Corp., and examine the possibility of restructuring the debts. Responsibility for maintaining normal life in the territories rests with Israel, as the sovereign, not with the Electric Corp.”

    link to haaretz.com

    Collective punishment is the hallmark of this Occupier. It is also a war crime.

    Is it really too much to ask Bensouda to hurry up, and to do the right thing? The Palestinians have waited way too long for justice. Goodness knows, she has plenty of evidence, documentation and testimony available to her.

    • CigarGod
      February 25, 2015, 9:43 am

      Is something a crime, if no one is every punished?

      • just
        February 25, 2015, 10:17 am

        Yes.

      • CigarGod
        February 25, 2015, 8:41 pm

        …because everything is written in our notebooks.

  16. just
    February 25, 2015, 11:59 am

    They just did it again!

    “Israel cutting power to parts of West Bank, for second time this week”

    link to haaretz.com

  17. steve48
    February 25, 2015, 2:07 pm

    As per the article, let’s say I provide you with electricity and also owe you $250. I’m not paying you because you never pay your electric bill, and now owe me $500 for past electric bills. A year goes by and you show no intention to pay me the $500 you owe, or any part of it. You apparently think I should keep my side of the bargain, while you are not obligated to keep your side of it. Every day the debt increases. So I shut off your power for 45 minutes as a warning that I’m not going to keep on giving you free power forever at my expense. Nobody dies because the power goes out for 45 minutes, that’s not even long enough for your house to cool off, assuming that you heat with electricity.

    Also, go here and look at the temps in Ramallah during this month of February. The high yesterday was 60 F, the low was 47F. The power was shut off briefly during the day, not at night. But they show you a picture of snow to give the false idea that everybody is freezing to death. This whole article is deceptive propaganda.

    link to accuweather.com

    • just
      February 25, 2015, 5:11 pm

      Let’s say another country occupied you, stole your land and resources, kidnapped and killed your neighbors and family simply because they felt like it, and they intercepted your paycheck and stole your identity causing you to lose your house, your car and all of your savings.

      Let’s say that nobody will take you seriously and see what grievous harm that others have done to you, and you end up on the street, under a bridge that floods every so often because the rich folks don’t want their swimming pools to overflow. Often, raw sewage comes floating by.

      Now the forces of the state are harassing you because you no longer ‘belong’…

      pffffffffft! You’re talking about a perfect world, not about reality under violent and illegal Israeli OCCUPATION. welcome to Mondoweiss!

    • Kris
      February 25, 2015, 8:38 pm

      Let’s say that every time Israel demonstrates its boundless capacity for pointless cruelty, hatred towards Israel increases worldwide, putting non-Israeli Jews at risk since Israel claims to act on behalf of ALL Jews.

      Let’s say that it is Israel that owes the huge debt to the Palestinians, not the other way round, given all that Israel has stolen from them over 70+ years.

      And let’s say that Israel, which has never repaid a penny of billions of dollars of loans from the U.S. (because our corrupt Congress always converts the loans into “grants”), may be underestimating the Christian community’s tolerance for hypocrisy; even Christian Zionists may see the parallel here:

      Parable of the Unforgiving Debtor, Matthew 18:21-35

      23 “Therefore, the Kingdom of Heaven can be compared to a king who decided to bring his accounts up to date with servants who had borrowed money from him. 24 In the process, one of his debtors was brought in who owed him millions of dollars.[c] 25 He couldn’t pay, so his master ordered that he be sold—along with his wife, his children, and everything he owned—to pay the debt.

      26 “But the man fell down before his master and begged him, ‘Please, be patient with me, and I will pay it all.’ 27 Then his master was filled with pity for him, and he released him and forgave his debt.

      28 “But when the man left the king, he went to a fellow servant who owed him a few thousand dollars.[d] He grabbed him by the throat and demanded instant payment.

      29 “His fellow servant fell down before him and begged for a little more time. ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay it,’ he pleaded. 30 But his creditor wouldn’t wait. He had the man arrested and put in prison until the debt could be paid in full.

      31 “When some of the other servants saw this, they were very upset. They went to the king and told him everything that had happened. 32 Then the king called in the man he had forgiven and said, ‘You evil servant! I forgave you that tremendous debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Shouldn’t you have mercy on your fellow servant, just as I had mercy on you?’ 34 Then the angry king sent the man to prison to be tortured until he had paid his entire debt.

      35 “That’s what my heavenly Father will do to you if you refuse to forgive your brothers and sisters[e] from your heart.”

    • a blah chick
      February 25, 2015, 8:55 pm

      Ho, boy, another “they ain’t freezing’ !” response.

      Picture this, buddy, your worst enemy has control for your thermostat.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 26, 2015, 3:11 am

      You apparently think I should keep my side of the bargain, while you are not obligated to keep your side of it. Every day the debt increases.

      what bargain? i don’t recall a bargain. israel is a thief. they have stolen the land , the resources, the water (and then sell water back to palestinians, deny palestinians access to their agricultural land, let settlers farm on it and then sell the produce to palestinians!!!) ). where’s the paycheck, the rent for using their land for decades? Every day israel’s debt to palestinians increases.

      500 mil for electricity? what about the trillions israel owes palestinians? . nix that because there is no price you can put on it. this little debt for the electricity is nothing, nothing compared to what israel owes palestine in “the bargain”.

      you want to throw around the concept of “keep my side of the bargain”? that’s like a torturer demanding the prisoners keep their side of a bargain. never mind the prisoner would say anything while you’re torturing them.

      just gag me w/a spoon steve. in any normal system palestiniand would not be forced to purchase their electricity from israel. they would have their own power plants (just like the kind israel blew up in gaza last summer) palestinians are a captured market. they have no choice but to purchase what is theirs already by right. and israel demolishes any opportunity for them to be self sufficient. they demolish EU efforts (in the hundreds of millions) too. wonder why? because the occupation is a money maker for israel. israel has never sustained itslef independently . they live on handouts and what portion of every penny gifted to palestine goes thru israel? every cent. it’s gross. even the alleged reconstruction of gaza (when ever that happens, if ever) is designed so that most of the profit goes to israel. so they slaughter people and demolish whole neighborhoods and profit off of global handouts for the reconstruction. billions!

    • talknic
      February 26, 2015, 3:59 am

      @ steve48 “let’s say I provide you with electricity and also owe you $250. “

      Are you an occupying Power who with holds taxes collected on behalf of the occupied?

      Read GC IV especially Article 55

      “Nobody dies because the power goes out for 45 minutes”

      Tell it to a hospital, doctor’s surgery… what happens to people hooked up to life saving devices when electricity is suddenly not available? Are generators allowed in by Israel? If they do, is the fuel to run a generator available? What happens to essential services, security? Ever been trapped in an elevator with a heart attack victim triggered by the elevator suddenly stopping. I have. It isn’t very pretty in the dark listening to their life gurgle away as you try CPR kneeling in their urine, surrounded by the smell of their evacuated bowels and the terrified wailing of children, mothers and panicked people beating on the walls and screaming (that was in the peaceful surrounds in Australia)

      • Bornajoo
        February 26, 2015, 4:16 am

        ” Ever been trapped in an elevator with a heart attack victim triggered by the elevator suddenly stopping. I have. It isn’t very pretty in the dark listening to their life gurgle away as you try CPR kneeling in their urine, surrounded by the smell of their evacuated bowels and the terrified wailing of children, mothers and panicked people beating on the walls and screaming (that was in the peaceful surrounds in Australia)”

        Jeepers! What an absolutely awful experience Talknic. That sounded like a horrible nightmare. And yet these are the kinds of experiences that the Palestinians have to put up with regularly amongst all the other horrors inflicted on them by the rogue merciless state of Israel. Being crushed (even to death) in a checkpoint not fit for cattle is just one example of their daily hell.

        These rabid zionists are only able to feel empathy when something happens to them. They feel nothing when others suffer, especially when it’s they who cause that suffering. That’s why they can mow the lawn in Gaza and kill thousands with an ice cold heart. And that’s why people like Steve48 can write these pathetic I’ll thought sourceless comments which expose their true inner nature.

      • Walid
        February 26, 2015, 4:27 am

        Talknic, that elevator incident has to be one of the most horrifying stories I’ve heard in my life.

      • talknic
        February 26, 2015, 6:14 am

        @ Walid….. Far worse was realizing I was amongst millions of Jewish folk who have been subjected to Zionist brainwashing, the stench of which has permeated our communities, driving people to bizarre depths of denial, blindness and unwavering belief in the complete bullsh*t of the Hasbara.

        Realizing the Jewish Agency, Zionist Federation and our Jewish homeland state lied its way into the UN and the hearts of well meaning people. Realizing the deep pockets of the Zionist Federation, Bank Leumi, JNF et al were dug and lined by ordinary folk conned into taking loans so they could sweat and toil while Zionist leaders didn’t even bother to go live in the Jewish People’s Historical Homeland when they could have.

        Relief from that nightmare comes thru dissing the pathetic justifications offered by Israel’s ghastly propagandists

      • Bornajoo
        February 26, 2015, 6:43 am

        “@ Walid….. Far worse was realizing I was amongst millions of Jewish folk who have been subjected to Zionist brainwashing, the stench of which has permeated our communities, driving people to bizarre depths of denial, blindness and unwavering belief in the complete bullsh*t of the Hasbara.

        Realizing the Jewish Agency, Zionist Federation and our Jewish homeland state lied its way into the UN and the hearts of well meaning people. Realizing the deep pockets of the Zionist Federation, Bank Leumi, JNF et al were dug and lined by ordinary folk conned into taking loans so they could sweat and toil while Zionist leaders didn’t even bother to go live in the Jewish People’s Historical Homeland when they could have.

        Relief from that nightmare comes thru dissing the pathetic justifications offered by Israel’s ghastly propagandists”

        Thank you for your amazing contributions Talknic. I have learned so much from you.

        I also fully understand your use of the word “relief”

      • Walid
        February 26, 2015, 7:20 am

        Talknic, I second Bornajoo in thanking you for the explanation of where you’re coming from. it makes your insightful posts that much more meaningful and I hope it rubs off the hasbarists here.

      • Kay24
        February 26, 2015, 8:55 am

        What a horrible experience. One that you will never forget. How sad and frustrating for those trying to help this poor person. How unfortunate that the elevator was stuck at that time, and it was impossible to get the help the victim needed badly. You never know what the days holds for you, when you wake up in the morning.

    • eljay
      February 26, 2015, 7:21 am

      || steve48: … So I shut off your power for 45 minutes as a warning that I’m not going to keep on giving you free power forever at my expense. … ||

      I agree that as soon as Israel…
      – ends its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction, torture and murder;
      – withdraws to within its / Partition borders; and
      – permits the Palestinians to develop their own natural resources and build their own infrastructure to deliver their own electricity to their own citizens,
      …it should stop giving Palestinians free power.

      • talknic
        February 28, 2015, 12:45 am

        @ eljay
        I agree that as soon as Israel…
        – ends its 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) “

        Always best to back your assertions

        3rd Jun 1948 in the Knesset

        Report to the Provisional Government of Israel by Prime Minister and Minister of Defence Ben-Gurion 3 Jun 1948
        “The entire expanse of the State of Israel allocated to us under the terms of the UN resolution is in our hands, and we have conquered several important districts outside those boundaries“.

        and;

        “To the greatest possible extent, we will remain constantly on the offensive, which will not be confined to the borders of the Jewish State“.

        Sorry about the Antisemitic source… :-)

  18. crone
    February 25, 2015, 7:24 pm

    OT…

    Juan Cole has a few thoughts that will warm your heart wrt upcoming Israeli elections:

    Top 5 Reasons Palestinian-Israelis Could shape the Israeli Election

    link to juancole.com

    Back on topic: Mondoweiss’ articles appear to be hitting some hasbara nerves lately… some new names in comment section… new raw recruits? Welcome to Mondoweiss. Suggest you do your homework before tapping on your keyboard though. The Regulars here know their stuff.

  19. talknic
    February 25, 2015, 9:59 pm

    Hi Annie — Seems Al Jazeera et al have admitted an error re the dams being opened by Israel and withdrawn or apologized.

    Say, does the Israeli press ever apologize or withdraw allegations when they prove to be wrong?

    • Kris
      February 25, 2015, 11:01 pm

      There are good photos, as well as a similar retraction, here: link to dailymail.co.uk

      • just
        February 26, 2015, 6:50 am

        I’ve seen precious little compassion for the Palestinians of Occupied Gaza or the Palestinians of the Occupied West Bank or those Palestinians from Occupied East Jerusalem or the Palestinians in “Israel” from the people that comment on most sites…

        It’s simply disgusting. The ziotroops have been deployed.

        (I’m hoping that karma is not another illusion)

      • Bornajoo
        February 26, 2015, 6:57 am

        “(I’m hoping that karma is not another illusion)”

        Just, if there was ever one cosmic law that should be real it’s karma. Like you I just hope it’s somehow true so that these evil psychos get what they deserve in the end. I really do hope that that the bastards don’t always win. Anyway, I suppose we’re allowed to have the illusion…..

      • seafoid
        February 26, 2015, 7:22 am

        I don’t think it’ll be karma as much as disgust.

        Johan Cruyff
        link to theguardian.com

        “It’s like everything in football – and life. You need to look, you need to think, you need to move, you need to find space, you need to help others. It’s very simple in the end.”

        Zionism is doomed . And Cruyff could NEVER have been a Zionist.

  20. MHughes976
    February 26, 2015, 4:45 am

    One of the first things that led me, shamefully late, to see something of the enormity of what goes on in Gaza was an article in the Economist, maybe 8 years ago, noting that there was a certain number of deaths every month in Gaza because the system set up by Israel involved unpredictable power cuts. The number was perhaps a dozen. I’m sorry I didn’t keep better record of what I read then – it may have been a one-sided story or I may now be misremembering it. But it struck me as an example of routine cruelty and contempt.

  21. talknic
    February 26, 2015, 6:43 am

    Instead of offering aid and relief for people in the grip of a natural disaster in territories Israel is supposed to be protecting as the Occupying Power, Israel takes away. What kind of ghastly evil mindset has taken hold of it?

    • CigarGod
      February 26, 2015, 8:24 am

      Great/awful story, Talknic.
      Surely, it shaped you…as similar horrifying experiences shape the lives of the oppressed.
      I’ll never forget your story, my friend…it has added a new shape to me.

  22. Kay24
    February 26, 2015, 8:39 am

    An artist called Banksy brings focus to the plight of Palestinians in new documentary:

    “Banksy strikes again: British street artist highlights Gaza destruction in new doco
    ‘If we wash our hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless we side with the powerful – we don’t remain neutral,’ mini-documentary says.”

    link to haaretz.com

  23. assaf.d
    February 27, 2015, 7:32 am

    I am from israel ,What nonsense
    Nothing to do with tax money that Israel holds,
    It is related to that the Palestinian Authority has not paid the electric bill for some years!!!
    And have a debt of over $ 500 million, which is threatening to the stability of the Israel Electric Corporation,
    Israel Electric Corporation supplied them electricity for years even though they do not pay,
    This is a business, not a political issue
    In addition the power cuts are for two three hours a day not all the today. I’ve been sick of all the lies of the Palestinians make Israel look bad people all the time

    If you were not paying the electric bill for three months here in Philadelphia
    They cut off your electricity and send the debt for collection and destroying your Credit History
    So Israel Electric Corporation waited 5 years and still continued to supply electricity.

    • Annie Robbins
      February 27, 2015, 11:12 am

      And have a debt of over $ 500 million, which is threatening to the stability of the Israel Electric Corporation….This is a business, not a political issue …

      i doubt that link to en.wikipedia.org

      “The State of Israel owns approximately 99.85% of the Company.”

      Israel thru the occupation of palestine forces palestinians to be dependent on israel for their utilities. they routinely demolish independent initiative of palestinians to control their own destiny and their own resources for decades now. were you aware they steal all palestinian water and riparian rights and then force palestinians to purchase their own water thru the states water company Mekorot?

      this is a forced captive market that sustains israel, an apartheid country that has never existed without stealing palestine’s natural resources. this “economic advantage” of having 1/2 the people, who have no say in the government and no benefit from that government be forced into dependence by that same government which subsists off the fruits of labor, resources and land of a captive people is what you are defending here.

      and then to turn around and claim palestine is “threatening to the stability of the Israel”? woe is me the colonizer being threatened by the victims of that colonization.

      it’s all political. even the little slaughtered children feed the beast of colonization.

      • tree
        February 27, 2015, 5:03 pm

        And have a debt of over $ 500 million, which is threatening to the stability of the Israel Electric Corporation

        LOL. If you really are an Israeli then you are completely in the dark, pun intended, about the circumstances surrounding the Israeli government owned Israel Electric Company.

        It is currently in the red by over 73 billion NIS (73 billion NIS as of August of 2014 and continuing to grow).

        The debt owed by the PA is less than 2% of IEC’s total debt. The IEC’s stability is not being caused by that 2%, which has now been paid out of Palestinian tax revenues. It is threatened by the other 98% of its debt, which has nothing to do with the Palestinians.

        Here’s an article from 2012 on the IEC’s problems.

        link to haaretz.com

        Things haven’t improved since then.Here’s the JPost from August 2014 on the small portion of the IEC debt owed by the PA.

        link to jpost.com

    • talknic
      February 28, 2015, 1:10 am

      @ assaf.d “I am from israel”

      Where in Israel? Remembering that Israeli sovereignty has never included any territories it has acquired by war or any other illegal means since May 15th 1948 00:01 (ME time) link to wp.me

      “It is related to that the Palestinian Authority has not paid the electric bill for some years!!!”

      “Israel, the Occupying Power” has made it impossible for the Palestinians to generate their own electricity. Under the Laws of War, “Israel, the Occupying Power” is responsible for the shortfall in essentials. Art 55

      But hey, lets be fair. Your assertion is if the Palestinians do not honour their agreement
      And have a debt of over $ 500 million, which is threatening to the stability of the Israel Electric Corporation”

      Israel has not honoured its agreement to adhere to International Law, the UN Charter and the Conventions it has ratified and Israel has started (the preemptor starts its wars) numerous wars. The UNSC has issued hundreds of UNSC resolutions affording Israel the opportunity to adhere to the binding Laws those resolutions emphasize. Israel has failed for more than half a century to live up to its obligations. “Israel, the Occupying Power” has destroyed Palestine’s ability to care for its people.

      Israel has illegally acquired by war more than half of what remained of Palestine after Israel became a state with it’s own proclaimed borders (ibid).

      The compensation Israel owes the Palestinians is astronomical, far in excess of what it has ever been able to afford.

      “In addition the power cuts are for two three hours a day not all the today.

      Tell that to a hospital and essential services. Say … does Israel allow generators and the fuel to run them?

      “If you were not paying the electric bill for three months here in Philadelphia
      They cut off your electricity and send the debt for collection and destroying your Credit History”

      Understandable…. So, Israel is in breach of International Law and the UN Charter for 67 years….

      “So Israel Electric Corporation waited 5 years and still continued to supply electricity”

      The UN have been waiting for Israel to comply with its legal obligations for 67 years and it has generously afforded hundreds of opportunities for Israel to comply, and still Israel is a UN Member. Must be biased …. in favour of Israel.

  24. assaf.d
    February 27, 2015, 7:35 am

    Sorry I was wrong it is a $ 250 million
    debt not $500 million

  25. assaf.d
    February 27, 2015, 7:36 am
    • Annie Robbins
      February 27, 2015, 10:59 am

      assaf, speaking of entrepreneurial start ups have you checked out PIVOT link to mondoweiss.net ? they’ve got a kickstarter too (here: link to kickstarter.com ) and have reached half there goal! i fail to see how this is related to the topic at hand tho.

  26. Hezakiah
    February 27, 2015, 3:18 pm

    So if a supplier of something doesn’t get paid by the company buying their product for resale and their supply is cut off for non payment,it’s the supplyer’s fault,not the store selling the product that you can’t buy some? Yeah,that’s how the imaginary world works ,but not reality. Their power was out a whole 45 minutes,huh? That’s just brutal since the last storm we lost power here in the Philly area,we were without power for a whole 7 hours and that was nothing too.Boo freaking hoo. While you [….] whine for people that are traeted like garabge by the ones they elected and kept being show case victims, let’s see what you say about right here in America where the power company shuts the juice off whenever they want and DON’T turn it back on 45 minutes later as a “warning ” Local
    Vietnam Vet Dies Of Hypothermia After Heat Shut Off To Home…..link to detroit.cbslocal.com

    • Annie Robbins
      February 27, 2015, 9:32 pm

      Their power was out a whole 45 minutes,huh?

      maybe you missed this:

      “…warned that more outages are coming if Palestinian officials don’t pay millions of dollars in outstanding debt.”

      Citing Yiftah Ron-Tal, the director of Israel Electric Corp. (IEC), the Times reports:

      “…….Starting today, we will begin restricting electricity.”

      luckily the news of this collective punishment spread and spread fast. the next thing we hear is israel decided to apply the tax revenue owed to palestine toward the israeli government’s electric monopoly, funny how that works.

    • talknic
      February 28, 2015, 9:54 am

      @ Hezakiah “Their power was out a whole 45 minutes,huh? That’s just brutal since the last storm we lost power here in the Philly area,we were without power for a whole 7 hours and that was nothing too”

      WOW!!! A storm huh. Was the storm on purpose or by an Occupying Power who is supposed to make up the shortfall in of essentials in occupied territories it is supposed to protect?

      As you’re obviously an honest straight shootin’ guy Hezakiah, I’m sure you’ll answer my inquiries honestly … right? (providing Annie sees its fit to publish your replies. Maybe she can ‘bleep’ out anything in-appropriate )

      1) Many flattened apartment blocks, homes without walls or a roof in the Philly area?

      2) Much damage from the last time the occupying power invaded?

      3) Are there some 65,000 homeless living under canvas, a sheet of iron, cardboard link to theguardian.com ?

      4) Many places like this in Philly http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h–/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/11/1407779444888/gaza-city-home-destructio-005.jpg ??

      5) Are 70% of homes uninhabitable in Philly?

      “While you [….] whine for people that are traeted like garabge by the ones they elected”

      They elected the Israeli Government? WOW!! It’s Israel who prevents adequate rebuilding materials entering Gaza. (don’t bother with the Hamas should stop building tunnels schtick pal, there’s only photos of one concrete lined tunnel. It was never used and it could have even been built by the IDF judging from where it ended! Or was it started?)

      “let’s see what you say about right here in America where the power company shuts the juice off whenever they want and DON’T turn it back on 45 minutes later as a “warning ” Local
      Vietnam Vet Dies Of Hypothermia After Heat Shut Off To Home”

      Here’s what I say … US war veterans are “traeted like garabge” by the US and only a sick and twisted scumbag would hold this poor fellows death up in order to justify Israel’s atrocities.

  27. RustyShackleford
    March 3, 2015, 11:25 am

    I can’t wait for the day Israel withdraws from the West Bank and the PA has to fend for itself. Sure Israel is withholding tax refunds, but it’s about equal if not less than the aid Israel and the U.S. give to the West Bank and the P.A. anyway (and a drop in the bucket compared to global humanitarian assistance the Palestinians get). It would be most fair to give them their tax dollars back, but it’s not like the West Bank really had a real economy in the first place- taxes on salaries that are based on international welfare that goes into a bloated and certainly inefficient public sector (public jobs to do what exactly?) . It’s a screwy system and doesn’t make provide long term development for a region that’s trying to be an independent state one day.

    Anyway, this is yet another amateurish and editorialized blog post that passes as journalism these days. Anti-Israel propaganda and activism is just as anti-intellectual these days as the radical pro-Israel propaganda and activism. Not much better than these comment sections, eh?
    With snarky quips and snipes and name calling interspersed into an article overloaded with block quotes, how am I supposed to take it seriously on an academic or journalistic level? Yawn…

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