Why Iran is not and has never been Israel’s #1 enemy

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Mr. Netanyahu’s speech on March 3, 2015 will be marked as the day when an Israeli Prime Minister has pushed the chutzpah so far as to embarrass the President of the United States in front of the whole world. Many commentators and analysts will ponder on such hubris and its arrogance and pretention to make or break US foreign policy.

But why is the Prime Minister of Israel so adamant that Iran is the absolute existential threat to the Jewish people in the first place?

Why, when so many other threats loom all over the Middle East, would Iran be seen by Israel as the most fundamental one to be addressed?

This claim makes little sense when one considers some of the basic rules of geopolitics. It is fascinating how stubborn geopolitical facts can be.  One sure guiding principle is the well-known old saying: my enemy’s enemy is my friend – or at least is not my enemy.  Another one is: better the devil you know than the devil you don’t know. Equipped with those two simple rules, you can pretty much understand all the intricacies of geopolitics.

1. My enemy’s enemy is …

As is often the case, two nations which do not share a border tend to be in alliance with each other against the nation that is between them and that has a tendency to claim hegemony in the region. As a classical example, think of the Franco-Russian alliance in the decades that preceded World War I, which aimed at undermining Germany.

Another classical case is the age-old explicit or implicit alliance of Israel and Persia against Mesopotamia.  As it is well known from the scriptures, on the river of Babylon, the Israelites, enslaved, lamented the loss of their land in the hands of their worst enemy who had destroyed Solomon’s Temple. But shortly afterwards, Babylon itself was defeated by its enemy, the Empire of Persia, and the Persian ruler, Cyrus the Great, liberated the Jews and allowed them to return to the Promised Land and to rebuild their Temple in Jerusalem. And therefore, Israel’s enemy’s enemy became its most enduring friend throughout the ages.

If you think that this is ancient history and does not apply anymore, think again. In the 1980s, only a few years after an ideologically regressive Islamic revolution had taken over Iran and proclaimed the U.S. to be the “Great Satan”, the new Islamic Republic found in Israel an implicit ally in its fight against Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. The scandal of the Irangate when US weapons were smuggled to Iran through an Israeli secret channel is a testimony to the stubbornness of geopolitical facts in the region. At that time, it was recognized by Israeli leaders that between two seemingly hostile neighbors, the despot of Bagdad was a far much worse enemy than the ayatollah of Teheran. And therefore, Israel worst enemy’s enemy ended up being, if not a friend, at least not a foe.

Israel has been relentless in demanding action against Iraq throughout the 1990s, and Mearsheimer and Walt have analyzed the role of the Israel lobby in inspiring the US War against Iraq in 2003. Babylon has been crushed and is lying in its ruins. By crushing the devil we knew (Saddam) all kinds of thousands of other unpredictable and deadly devils have been unleashed throughout Mesopotamia… We should have learned a lesson but apparently not… Israel is still not satisfied. It is now pointing at Iran as the next mortal enemy.

How could today’s Iran, which, in the meantime, has become a much more sophisticated and complex society than it was in the 1980s at the height of its Islamist ideology, represent in any convincing ways an existential threat to Israel? Is it because Mesopotamia no longer exists? Isn’t it what Israel wanted? The historical nemesis has collapsed and is now devastated by chaos and anarchy, in the hands of the hordes of barbarians carrying the black flag of a so-called caliphate naming itself Islamic State. And therefore, as in a domino effect, in the absence of the enemy in the middle, the nation further away would seem to become automatically the next enemy in line…

2. Better the devil you know…

Why would the Israeli Prime Minister consider destabilizing a stable nation of 80 million people in the same manner Iraq has been destabilized and destroyed? And why claiming that the #1 threat is Iran when next door, a highly volatile and hyper-violent regime violates all moral and religious commandments and tortures and murders indiscriminately anyone who does not fit its criteria of Islamic “purity” – being Christians, Yezidis, Shi’a Muslims, or Sunni Muslim Women whose behaviors are deemed “indecent” – bringing indescribable mayhem between the Tigris and the Euphrates?

Why would the devil that Israel has known for a very long time be more threatening than the new unpredictable son-of-a-hell devil that just popped up out of nowhere?

The rhetoric professed by the mullahs in Teheran against the State of Israel is indeed a well-known old and tired devil. This rhetoric has been going on for years, for decades even, and is likely to be just that: words, words, words – with no intention to be acted upon. The clerics who rule Iran might be as reactionary and repressive as we imagine they are, their politics for the past 35 years has shown that they are far from being a bunch of lunatics, and that they are concerned about the wellbeing and social improvement of their society. In other words, they are people who have something to lose, and therefore they are people whom we can talk to – hence the round of negotiations on nuclear issues that the US government is engaged in, with indications that the current leadership of Iran might lean towards a compromise. And therefore, it would seem that, as far as devils go, Iran would have become a much more tamed and well behaved devil, one that can be dealt with diplomatically.

So we are back to principle #1: if the real danger is more than ever located in Mesopotamia, then Iran is a de facto ally since it is fighting the same enemy…

3. Why Iran is not an existential threat to Israel nor to the West

Many indicators tell us that today’s Iranian society is far less hostile to the West than it was in the early years of the Islamic Republic. It could even been argued that some of the core values heralded by the West – human rights, women rights, freedom of expression, etc. – are shared by a growing number of Iranians and that the sentiment towards the West and the US is much more positive in Iran than it is in many of the Arab countries.

The social tapestry of Iran is complex and the level of dissidence in civil society has reached a critical mass, as attested by the amplitude of the green wave of 2009, the popular movement of defiance against the ruler of the time, Ahmadinejad. The number of digital activists and dissident bloggers are proof that a vibrant social and political underground is sharing and debating ideas, articles, books, films, promoting the values of openness and democracy, in the defense of human rights and women rights. In this regard, the Iranian society displays more gender equality in education and on the workplace than most other Muslim countries, in ways that might seem paradoxical. The Islamic Republic has made education compulsory for boys and girls equally and as a result, women have reached very high levels of education (60% of university students are women). Iranian women are increasingly working, in all professions including the most highly regarded, as lawyers and doctors – whereas in Saudi Arabia, afflicted by the regressive Wahhabist interpretation of Islam, which has inspired Al Qaeda and ISIS, women are not allowed to drive! Another indicator of the level of empowerment of women in Iran is their access and use of contraception, one of the highest in the Muslim world, correlated with their high level of education, which has allowed women to take charge of their reproductive choices, resulting in a low fertility rate of about 1.9 children per woman, comparable to the fertility rate in the US, and far lower than in Saudi (2.7 children per woman) or Iraq (4 children per woman).

The growing empowerment of women in Iran, as silent and invisible as it might be, is a profound factor of change that will eventually lead to the transformation of the Iranian society, as prophesized by Shirin Ebadi, an Iranian human rights lawyer and 2003 Nobel Peace laureate: “A victory for women paves the way for democracy in Iran.” And indeed, women played a critical role in the green wave of 2009 and are among the most active political bloggers and dissidents. It is only a matter of time before the Iranian society engages on the road to social and political reformations, under the pressures of societal forces that cannot be ignored much longer by the ruling class of clerics.

Why would this country, especially considering its current internal evolution, be coined a terrible menace to the equilibrium of the Middle East?

This has less to do with Iran than it has to do with the internal politics of Israel and the political maneuvers of Benyamin Netanyahu, only a few weeks before seeking a reelection.

All the laws of geopolitics and all the facts point at a fake argumentation on his part.

The devil we don’t know, which has been unleashed in the plains of Syria and Iraq under the name ISIS is a far greater threat to the stability of the Middle East than Iran, which on the contrary constitutes one of the most stable regime of the region and which is engaged in the struggle against ISIS on all battlefields.

Therefore it is completely ludicrous that the American Congress and the American people waste a precious time listening to the Israeli Prime Minister crying wolf when the real danger is elsewhere.

About Anne-Marie Codur

Anne-Marie Codur is an Academic advisor at the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict. She has expertise in citizen diplomacy, people-to-people peace initiatives, and civil resistance -- notably in the Middle East and Mediterranean region -- as well as in sustainable development policies and environmental economics.

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  1. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    March 3, 2015, 10:56 am

    ” It is only a matter of time before the Iranian society engages on the road to social and political reformations, under the pressures of societal forces that cannot be ignored much longer by the ruling class of clerics.”

    I suspect that, like a lot of Western commenters, you perhaps exaggerate the importance of ‘liberal’ elements in Iranian society – most Iranians are quite conservative and support the Islamic regime. If they did not, why did the last elections have a turn out of over 70%, a figure which puts many ‘Western democracies’ to shame?

    That said, I do agree that Iranian society will, if given the chance, very likely ‘liberalise’ itself of its own accord. What better way to prevent that, however, than putting Iran and ‘the West’ in a constant conflict, thus encouraging the government to be as defensive and conservative as possible? Most Iranians, secular or religous, are united by great patriotism, and with an external enemy heaping on yet more unjust sanctions, they will close ranks rather than allow outsiders to exploit any differences.

    Then there’s the fact that the very last thing Israel wants is a liberal, West-leaning but still independent Iran. It would be much harder to demonise such an Iran, or play the ”they’re so fanatical and irrationanal that we can’t deal with them’ line. Zionists are very much opposed to any reform in Iran.

  2. Kay24
    March 3, 2015, 11:39 am

    Bibi very deviously is turning the American people against Iran. Lists a whole lot of negatives on Iran, pitting Americans against Iranians, the leadership, and brainwashing American people, into going against any agreement with Iran. He has been projecting the entire time, so far, how dishonest they are, how dangerous they are, how many Americans they have killed, it’s all about what Iran has done to the Americans….no talk about Israel killing the women and children in Gaza yet, or the illegal settlements. He even accuses Iran of attacking it’s neighbor, but wait, isn’t it Israel who keep doing it?
    Fareez Zakaria said it best….Netanyahu has been predicting Iran will be dangerous and will get a nuclear weapon for the last 25 years, and still today is not near it.

    Yep, the same old shitty war monger.

    • eljay
      March 3, 2015, 11:51 am

      || Kay24: Yep, the same old shitty war monger. ||

      And the donkey fellators are loving it:

      “We must all stand together to stop Iran’s march of conquest, subjugation and terror,” Mr. Netanyahu told the lawmakers, who responded with repeated standing ovations.

  3. JLewisDickerson
    March 3, 2015, 11:47 am

    RE: “Mr. Netanyahu’s speech on March 3, 2015 will be marked as the day when an Israeli Prime Minister has pushed the chutzpah so far as to embarrass the President of the United States in front of the whole world. Many commentators and analysts will ponder on such hubris and its arrogance and pretention to make or break US foreign policy.” ~ Anne-Marie Codur

    NORMAN POLLACK PONDERS THE PSYCHOPATHOLOGY:
    “Israel and the Palestinians; The Psychopathology of Revenge”, by Normamn Pollack, CounterPunch.org, March 02, 2015

    [EXCERPT] In my earlier article I referred in passing to Israel’s having rendered Gaza “the Bergen-Belsen of the Arab world,” a very harsh statement, but one on further reflection I believe is justified. How explain not only the merciless killing but also the indifference to it on the part of Israelis? Initially, as I over time became more critical of Israel, I ascribed the behavior to the psychodynamics of introjection: the gut-wrenching, anguished, unspeakably cruel experience of the Holocaust, a process of dehumanization which left the individual in a state of extreme ego-loss powerless to resist both the degraded image of the self and the external penetration of the total context of repression into the psyche, notably, the value system of the oppressor, the jailer, the Nazi. This grounding down of the human personality cannot but leave its scars, as though in struggling for a return to wholeness some of the internal poisons remain. One should not blame the victims for the brutal crimes practiced on them. They are entitled to understanding, at the very least, and actually a good deal more. But the historical experience etched into the mindset of the survivors and passed on to future generations could, and I think did, take on a perverse course, at first, largely unconscious, but then hardened into place as the group-memory of genocide remained in force and the experience of renewed persecution either persisted or threatened.

    At this point, clearly not explainable by some form of psychological determinism, but nevertheless, by a natural drive for self-protection, victims find within themselves transformative powers, as in the resolve, “Never again,” to liberate themselves from societal- and self-captivity to become strong, if need be, by overcompensating from previous weakness, with the result of adopting for themselves the mindset that had been responsible for holding them down. The toughness of the Israeli is legendary, a toughness, however, drained of the humanistic, life-giving impulses that had heretofore characterized Judaism and its embrace of the stranger, its inceptive radicalism and call for transcendent brotherhood, its respect for the arts—all thought softness today and ill-fitted for present reality. Sartre once described the anti-Semite (which we can enlarge to include the authoritarian personality) as one attracted to the durability of stone.

    This is where, I’m afraid, we’re at: the prostitution of “Never again” into a solipsistic credo of what might best be called, defensive aggression, which turns out to be not defensive at all. Gaza is like a laboratory of cruelty, different from the gas chamber in quantity more than in quality, a possibility actualized only because of or through the debasement of religious teachings preceded by the breakdown of personality structure and value system under the weight of the Holocaust. Can the spell be broken, the historical- psychological continuity of suffering-transformed-into-revenge likewise broken? I fear that introjection has become a runaway process, that at this point revenge has eliminated an initially passive response to psychological impoverishment, so that the presumed emancipation from the past, the conversion from weakness into strength, takes the hideous form of recapitulating that past under Israel’s own auspices as reproducing the Nazi experience in the modern era: Bergen-Belsen qua Gaza, an assertion of might, a warning to all enemies, real and imagined, and proof-positive of the requisite hardness worthy to being taken as America’s staunchest ally. . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/02/the-psychopathology-of-revenge/

    • JLewisDickerson
      March 3, 2015, 11:52 am

      P.S. ALSO SEE: “Israel’s Defense Chief OK’s Hundreds of Israeli Deaths”, By Ira Chernus, CommonDreams.org, 11/11/11

      [EXCERPTS] “If we take out the Iranian nuke facilities, sure, they’ll strike back at us,” Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said yesterday. “But if every American stays in their home when the Iranian rockets start falling, well, it will be uncomfortable. It won’t be a picnic. But we won’t have 220,000 Americans killed. Not even 22,000. So let’s stop the fear-mongering. We’ve got vital interests to protect.” . . ,

      No, of course Panetta didn’t say that. It would be unimaginable. But Israel’s Defense Minister Ehud Barak did say much the same thing in a radio interview just the other day. . .

      . . . An essential motive of Zionism from its beginning was a fierce desire to end the centuries of Jewish weakness, to show the world that Jews would no longer be pushed around, that they’d fight back and prove themselves tougher than their enemies. There was more to Zionism than that. But the “pride through strength” piece came to dominate the whole project. Hence the massive Israeli military machine with its nuclear arsenal.
      But you can’t prove that you’re stronger than your enemies unless you’ve also got enemies — or at least believe you’ve got enemies — to fight against. So there has to be a myth of Israel’s insecurity, fueled by an image of vicious anti-semites lurking somewhere out there, for Zionism to work. Since the 1979 Iranian revolution, Iran has gradually risen to the top of Israel oh-so-necessary enemies list. Iranophobia is rampant in Israel, as one Israeli scholar writes, because “Israel needs an existential threat.”
      Anyone who has grown up in Israel, or in the U.S. Jewish community (as I did), and paid attention knows all this. . .

      ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/11/11-2

      P.P.S. ALSO SEE – “Iranophobia: The Panic of the Hegemons”, by Ira Chernus, Tikkun Magazine, November/December 2010
      LINK – http://www.tikkun.org/nextgen/iranophobia-the-panic-of-the-hegemons-3

      • JLewisDickerson
        March 3, 2015, 12:46 pm

        P.P.P.S. RE: “An essential motive of Zionism from its beginning was a fierce desire to end the centuries of Jewish weakness, to show the world that Jews would no longer be pushed around, that they’d fight back and prove themselves tougher than their enemies.” ~ Chernus (from above)

        A TWEET FROM JOSHUA HOLLAND REGARDING NETANYAHU’S SPEECH TO CONGRESS:

        Joshua Holland
        [email protected]
        “We, the Jewish people, can defend ourselves,” says the guy [Netanyahu] pandering to a Congress that gives him $3b/yr for his military.
        11:49 AM – 3 Mar 2015

        SOURCE – https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/572800966875082752

    • pabelmont
      March 3, 2015, 12:25 pm

      Thanks, beautiful analysis.

  4. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 11:52 am

    “As expected, Netanyahu made a reference to the Jewish feast of Purim, which begins on Wednesday evening. The holiday commemorates the attempt by Haman, the Persian viceroy “to destroy the Jewish people”, in Netanyahu’s telling, until he was vanquished by the wily Jewish Queen Esther.
    Netanyahu says:

    “Today the Jewish people face the threat from another persian potentate to destroy us.””

    He should be sedated and put in a secure psychiatric facility. As should all Zionists.
    Just get the trauma out of them and start over.

    If they got their war against Iran who would take over as public enemy #1? Pakistan ?

    https://twitter.com/edwardgluceEdward Luce @EdwardGLuce
    · 27m 27 minutes ago
    Not much nuance here. Hard to paint the world in a more Manichaean light than Bibi is doing.

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 11:56 am

      He was projecting a lot. Talking about Iran’s badness, most of which Israel is guilty of.

  5. Kay24
    March 3, 2015, 11:52 am

    He has got Elie Wiesel for special effects, mentioning the Holocaust and “never again” being mentioned, as if to link Iran with the nazis. Crafy. He is now saying Israel can stand alone but that (sucker) America will stand with Israel. I hope his people are buying this, because I don’t.

    Did anyone count the standing O’s? I think he is delusional and pretending he is the POTUS, giving his SOTU address, same kind of wording, pointing to the guest in the gallery, and blessing the US at the end. Poor Beebs, he can only dream of being President of the US.

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 11:53 am

      BBC reports there were 24 standing O’s. Aw, poor guy did not get more.

      • In2u
        March 3, 2015, 12:58 pm

        Not everybody gave standing O’s, not everybody clapped, among those that did most were standing lazily merely to be seen. Clapping wasn’t energetic at all merely moving the hands. I guess pleasing the master has become tiresome.

        Most devoted were the ones in first row.

    • yonah fredman
      March 3, 2015, 11:57 am

      Kay24- Jewish boys do not grow up dreaming of being President of the US. There has never been a Jewish president. Jewish boys dream of being Secretary of State or they dream of being rich enough to tell the president what to do if he wants campaign contributions.

      • amigo
        March 3, 2015, 1:41 pm

        “Jewish boys dream of being Secretary of State or they dream of being rich enough to tell the president what to do if he wants campaign contributions.” yf

        Gee , I wonder if the usual zio apologists will condemn Yonah,s antisemitic remarks about the goals of Jewish boys .Perhaps they are still in the midst of a standing ovation for their fearless leader who is willing to shed The blood of “American ” boys “to ensure the safety of Jewish boys.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 2:06 pm

        “Jewish boys dream of being Secretary of State or they dream of being rich enough to tell the president what to do if he wants campaign contributions”

        And believe you me, this is something Yonah knows all about! No matter what, he will never leave his little Jewish boys behind!

        Anyway, don’t believe Yonah. I don’t know what kind of Jewish boys he hangs out with, but every boychik I know has ambitions of being a Torah scholar, and marrying the butcher’s daughter.

      • yonah fredman
        March 3, 2015, 2:13 pm

        Note to self: never give mooser an excuse to spit some spitballs. He does it without an excuse. but give him an excuse, and expect him to act like his spitball self.

      • yonah fredman
        March 3, 2015, 2:22 pm

        Note to self: never give mooser an excuse to spit some spitballs. He does it without an excuse. But give him an excuse, and what do you expect when you play games next to a khaleriya dreck.

      • eljay
        March 3, 2015, 2:34 pm

        || y.f.: Kay24- Jewish boys do not grow up dreaming of being President of the US. ||

        Interesting: Kay24 didn’t say anything about “Jewish boys”. Her comment was about the Israeli-born, MIT- and Harvard-educated leader of Israel.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 4:23 pm

        “But give him an excuse, and what do you expect when you play games next to a khaleriya dreck.”

        Well, then, stop playing games.
        And you better watch your mouth Yonah. I’m type J+ and +15, too. You need me a hell of a lot more than I need you for the Jewish Eugenics project.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 5:46 pm

        Note to Yonah: Yo, old friend, is spitting what you really want to bring up?

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 8:40 pm

        YF, it seems your efforts to take a sentence about a (arrogant) leader of a nation pretending to be an ally, and turning it to a reference to ALL Jews, in this case being boys, has been noted and ridiculed. I think the others here have nicely responded to your pretense of being victimized again.

      • amigo
        March 4, 2015, 6:13 am

        Yonah, note to his-self.

        “Why is everybody always picking on me.”

        Check your archives yonah.

    • eljay
      March 3, 2015, 11:59 am

      || Kay24: Did anyone count the standing O’s? I think he is delusional and pretending he is the POTUS … ||

      He may be delusional, but he did get 24 standing ovations. His delusions are less troubling than the fact that American (and other) politicians are so desperate to make obeisance to him, to Zio-supremacism and to an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and religion-supremacist “Jewish State”.

  6. yonah fredman
    March 3, 2015, 11:54 am

    Iran 2015 is not as bad as Iran 1979. Iran 2015 is not as an immediate a trouble maker as ISIS 2015.

    But Iran with a nuke is a threat to Israel. Iran supports Hezbollah. I support Israel making “peace” or cease-fire with Hezbollah (and Hamas), but do not pretend that Iran is not a player in the immediate battle that Israel is arrayed with against Hezbollah (and Hamas). [Because Gaza was occupied for so long and is still besieged, Hamas’s struggle against Israel is of a different nature than Hezbollah’s threat against Israel.]

    I have not studied the evidence, but I assume that Iran was connected to the terrorist attacks in 1994 against the Jewish center in Buenos Aires. If this is true, Iran is not only an enemy of Israel’s, it is an enemy to any Jew anywhere who walks into a Jewish community center.

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 4:25 pm

      “But Iran with a nuke is a threat to Israel.”

      That’s Israel’s problem. Go make nice to Iran, maybe Israel can cut a deal. Otherwise…. (cue Tom Leher)

      “I have not studied the evidence, but I assume”

      Yup, that’s our Yonah!

      ” it is an enemy to any Jew anywhere who walks into a Jewish community center.”

      Okay! I got my maximum dose of the best medicine, right there. Any more and I think I’ll OD!

      • RockyMissouri
        March 4, 2015, 10:29 am

        Israel with a nuke is a hazard TO ALL…!!

    • DaBakr
      March 3, 2015, 6:20 pm

      @yf

      what makes you think Iran circa 2015 is “not as bad” as it was in 1979? I would submit it is far worse. Power in ’79 was not solidified and there was real hope that the revolution could bring democratic change to the formerly Shah run show. Then the ‘Islamic’ hammer came down and especially after Khomeini’s death. The only way Iran might be considered ‘better’ is that more women and more peoples from the rural areas have been given access to education which may or may not lead to an eventual weakening of the mullah’s iron-fisted grip on power. The problem has never been with the Iranian people who despite Iranian gov’t propaganda seem to have real affection for the US and its people. Iranian jour lists are not free to write anything that isn’t rabidly anti-Zionist so it is too difficult to tell exactly how anti-Israel average Iranians are.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 10:10 pm

        Dabakr, I’m not really sure you want to go on and on about Iran’s sorry state, considering the recent history of the place. As I remember, things were trending our way in Iran until the US meddled.

      • DaBakr
        March 4, 2015, 5:31 pm

        @msr
        “not sure ….about Iran’s sorry state…” lol. of course your “sure”. You are one of the biggest proponents of telling Jews to ‘get over it’ yet you want to keep carping about 1953. Read up on the ‘overthrow’ before you speak. It was mostly instigated by the British Oil lobby (big surprise) who asked the US [CIA] for backing and assistance and would not have happened were there not a significant group of (anti-communist and/or socialist) Iranians that also wanted Mossedegh to be cast out. You want to keep carping about cold-war era FP go ahead but it has very little to do with Irans position vis-a-vis Israel 2015.

        Its always a bit humorous when lefties trot out the same old tired tropes and complaints about what the big bad US did post ww2 in various areas like Me and SAmerica. Such a nabob of negativity. No love for the cold war era US at all? Also funny how Iranian people suspiciously had no real public animus towards the US during the Shah era. I guess they were ‘re-educated’ to understand who the ‘great satan’ really was

        * who’s “way” were things “trending” before the US “meddled”? Israel was-=for the most part, poor and socialist in ’53 and if there was large oil refinery most likely would have nationalized it.

    • pjdude
      March 5, 2015, 1:31 am

      look if a muslim country was going to give nukes to terrorists pakistan would have done already. a nuclear Iran isn’t a threat to Israel it just ceases to be a country Israel can threaten which in their eyes is the same thing.

  7. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 12:13 pm

    https://twitter.com/elgindy_

    Leader of the country with the Middle East’s only nuclear arsenal just referred to threat of a “nuclearized Middle East”.

    https://twitter.com/edwardgluce
    Edward Luce @EdwardGLuce
    · 21m 21 minutes ago
    “Bibi leaves Obama no choice but to respond. He has accused US president of trying to empower anti-Semites with nucl weapons. #unbelievable”

    More like #fuckinginsane

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 12:23 pm

      First he praised Obama for ALL the help, some he said, people may never know….then he buried him, strongly disagreeing with his policy, and implying it is the biggest mistake. Again, it sounds like he prefers WAR, because he does not come up with any other alternative.

      He is cunning, arrogant, ungrateful, and has openly shown he distrusts what Obama and the other countries are trying to do. Again, it is a sky is falling speech, which is typical Netanyahu.
      He has been crying wolf for 25 years, when it came to Iran.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 12:29 pm

        http://blogs.ft.com/the-world/liveblogs/2015-03-03/

        CNN is quoting a White House Official as slamming down Mr Netanyahu’s speech switfly and firmly:

        All style and no substance. Not one new idea.

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 12:42 pm

        Well initially there were words that said the WH says it is only rhetoric, across the screen.
        It certainly was a lot of hot air, exaggerations and projections.

      • Walid
        March 3, 2015, 1:53 pm

        The style of a snake oil salesman, seafoid.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 3:28 pm

        I think it’s worse than that, Walid. The King of the Jews translated mainstream hebrew discourse into English in DC and it is basically nonsense .

  8. lysias
    March 3, 2015, 12:18 pm

    If the enemy of our enemy is also our enemy, as I understand Netanyahu said, doesn’t that mean that all our friends and supposed friends, including Israel, are also our enemies?

    • DaBakr
      March 3, 2015, 6:23 pm

      and the Saudis, in one of the most unusual op-ed’s have excoriated Obama and praised Netanyahu for having the courage to stand up to the “worlds greatest sponsor of terrorism”…
      Al Aribiya. A lot of other Arab-Sunni new outlets gave cautious support to Bibis speech as well putting the lie to how this issue is not sectarian in the Islamic world.

      • Kay24
        March 3, 2015, 9:59 pm

        Ah those Saudis. Most of the murderers on 9/11 were from that wonderful nation, and yet the bombs fell over Afghanistan. The mere fact that they are in bed with Israel, and praise Netanyahu, simply shows how fickle they are. After all, they are under the illusion that Israel is their friend now, and different from Iran the nation that makes them feel envious and insecure. If they think Israel has their best interests at heart, we all know how incredibly stupid the idea is.

      • DaBakr
        March 4, 2015, 5:44 pm

        @ky
        the point isn;t wether SA will ever be actual ‘friends’ with israel which it very likely won’t. The point is this issue has completely focused on Netanyahu as if there are no other important and significant US allies and regional powers that share Israels view of this so-called deal. Why does the supposedly ‘Zionist controlled ‘ msn not report on how many of the US sunni allies agree with netanyahu w/o acting as if he is their ‘friend’. Only neurotically rabid anti-Zionists would frame the whole issue of a nuclear ME in terms of Israel vs. the world. I don;t suppose you have considered that KSA has enough money to fund its own nuclear bomb and there are others who might want a bomb as well.

  9. amigo
    March 3, 2015, 12:26 pm

    If Israel can defend itself as nietanyahu claims , then let them prove it and attack Iran on their own.But don,t come crying to mommy when you are getting your war mongering butt kicked.

    This man is veritably off his rocker.

    We now await Obama,s response to this 30 minute fest of insults to the American President and those who elected him.You should realise that Obama speaks for more Jews than nietanyahu does.

    • Kay24
      March 3, 2015, 12:36 pm

      He was transparently devious, when he said that Israel can defend itself (and we know that with their weapons, they can, despite playing victim), he followed it up with the statement that he KNOWS the US and Congress will always be with them. Ah, such cunning. Even if he starts bombing Iran, we will be sucked into that disaster, Congress will see to that.

      I think President Obama and the WH must be steaming mad, because he criticized the intended deal that many still don’t know about, and schooled Obama about what he should be doing.
      Some chutzpah coming from a PM of a itty bitty alien nation, who invited himself, to the halls of Congress, and lectured the President of this large nation., dictating how our policies must be worked on. The king of illegal settlements, and the butcher of Gaza, in action today.

      • amigo
        March 3, 2015, 12:52 pm

        “Some chutzpah coming from a PM of a itty bitty alien nation, who invited himself, to the halls of Congress, and lectured the President of this large nation., dictating how our policies must be worked on.” Kay 24

        Not only that but he was telling the whole P5 how they should act.It is time someone told this tin pot soon to fail nation , sans borders where to get off.

        Sour grapes because he was not invited to be part of the negotiations.It is obvious this man does not want any deal.He wants Americans to spill their blood for his illegal war mongering criminal zionist entity.It is high time to rid the world of zionism which is the greatest threat to world security.

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 2:13 pm

        “Even if he starts bombing Iran, we will be sucked into that disaster, Congress will see to that.”

        Maybe Congress will declare war (remember that? It’s in the Constitution. Remember that?)
        and Obama will veto the declaration!

  10. Chu
    March 3, 2015, 12:26 pm

    When I heard him mention Purim and Ester, it’s clear he sees the US as a proxy for Israel’s military problems.

    Do you think that the media will every connect the rally to war for Iran with the Iraq war? Netanyahu was the doing the selling, but last time it was to Congress in 2002.

    Read the Transparent Cabal to understand the agents of war, are the same as today.
    Clean Break Strategy> Became PNAC > which became American policy in 2002.

  11. pabelmont
    March 3, 2015, 12:58 pm

    For 25 years N’u has been saying (more or less correctly) that Israel/AIPAC/neocons can push the USA around & that it desires to push the USA into war. And that worked with Iraw, to our (and Iraq’s) very great cost. Saddam was unpleasant but his Iraq was fairly stable (except when attacking Iran or after being invited by USA to attack Q8).

    Today’s Iraq is very unstable (as are Syria and Libya), and the USA’s unwise war-making (and overthrow of stable dictators) has created ISIS and has made things, I’d say, much less stable today than in 1990. (Not every Arab Spring was destined to succeed in a peaceable fashion. Pity about Egypt.)

    OK. And now Israel wants another war (or at least unbounded punitive sanctions against Iran). BUT THIS TIME USA is allied with several other important “powers” in a negotiation, so that Israel is opposing a whole coalition, not just a reluctant Obama. He wants Congress to pressure Obama to throw over that whole coalition. And Congress is such a lot of know-nothing hot-heads these days that they may even try to do it.

    So Obama has 2 years to complete the Iran business and sell the outcome to the Congress. Or to the senate if a treaty will need to be ratified.

    Watch this space.

  12. Sycamores
    March 3, 2015, 1:02 pm

    Marwan Bishara sums up Netanyahu speech in a tweet

    speech made to attract applause; watch how he flips pages- one liner pages !!

    it not just Iran nuclear technology that Netanyahu is scared of, its also Iran ability to use social media to send tweets.

    much of what Netanyahu blames Iran for- subjugation, human rights violations and the murder of 1,000’s is what Israel does regularly to the Palestinians.

  13. amigo
    March 3, 2015, 1:25 pm

    He accused Iran of “Gobbling up 4 nations”.

    Hellloooo.

    • seafoid
      March 3, 2015, 2:21 pm

      Syria (Alawi), iraq (shia), Lebanon (shia -hezb) and afghanistan.

      • amigo
        March 3, 2015, 2:40 pm

        seafoid , I was referring the chutzpah coming from the leader of a nation that is gobbling up Palestine , and gobbled up the Syrian heights.

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 3:30 pm

        Amigo

        For the bots the sort of allies Iran has are unattainable.
        Maybe it’s because the Ashkenazis came from Poland. The Union of borscht eaters doesn’t have any other branches in the Levant.

  14. seafoid
    March 3, 2015, 2:23 pm

    Israel’s #1 enemy is trauma. It is like a brain parasite that exposes the country to massive risk.

    • Chu
      March 3, 2015, 3:23 pm

      I’d say reality is Israel’s enemy. Here’s a graphic on Palestine’s destruction, all the while Israel masquerades as the greater victim to the Congress today. http://visualizingpalestine.org/visuals/a-policy-of-displacement

    • Mooser
      March 3, 2015, 4:29 pm

      Seafoid If I smelled a entire free country I could steal for myself, I’d develop trauma so damn fast it’d make your head spin, if that’s what it took to get it.

      Why don’t we see what can be explained by greed and self interest before we go for the fancy stuff?

      • seafoid
        March 3, 2015, 4:35 pm

        Maybe the Israeli elite, Mooser, but Yossi Israeli is sick

      • Mooser
        March 3, 2015, 5:51 pm

        “Maybe the Israeli elite, Mooser, but Yossi Israeli is sick”

        Why sure, I can understand that, everybody has to play their part! TU, you know.

        “They are sick, they are sick,
        They are sick, sick sick,
        Psychologically, they’re sick!”

  15. tidings
    March 4, 2015, 1:26 pm

    One of Israel’s exports is fear. They manufacture and test it in East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza and distribute it to the USA through a huge network of lobbyists, media, speakers, college campuses and, of course, the United States Congress. They have developed international versions of fear and know just how to infiltrate the American psyche–Jewish, not-Jewish and Christian fundamentalists. This particular variety of fear has gone viral, and has become self-renewing and self-amplifying, washing all the brains in its path.

  16. MHughes976
    March 7, 2015, 5:10 pm

    You could say that the Book of Esther calls for a Jewish-Iranian alliance against the Amalekites. Not sure that’s such a good model for the present day, though.

    • Walid
      March 7, 2015, 5:52 pm

      “You could say that the Book of Esther calls for a Jewish-Iranian alliance against the Amalekites. Not sure that’s such a good model for the present day, though” (MHughes)

      MHughes, drop the Book of Esther it’s a fable that spooks children and that helps Netanyahu spread false rumours to make people hate Iran. What happened in history was the Babylonian captivity of the Jews, not the Persian captivity of the Jews. Babylon is in southern Iraq, not in Iran and the ones that carted the Jews off to Babylon were the Chaldeans, not the Persians. The Jews were actually set free by the Persian Cyrus the Great when he conquered the Chaldeans. Jews should be thankful to the Persians, the Bible says so:

      Isaiah 45:1-3 (KJV)

      1. Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

      2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

      3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel.”

  17. MHughes976
    March 8, 2015, 5:46 pm

    Esther must have been very important to the Hasmoneans, since a Greek version, much improved in piety. was delivered to Alexandria in around 115 BCE. This must have been quite an event and would surely have been come to the personal, supervisory attention of John, priest and king – that very important figure in making the Jerusalem Temple absolutely dominant in the religious life of Palestine. I presume he was, among other things, reminding people that he could well consider an alliance with the Parthians, whose dynasty probably claimed descent from King Ahasuerus, against whatever Amalekites might have been around. And a of course to encourage wives to dress nicely and obey their husbands.

    • Walid
      March 8, 2015, 5:56 pm

      MHughes, between the Hasmoneans, Greeks, Alexandrians, Amalekites and the descendants of Ahasuerus, where do the Persians come into this story?The whole thing is a mistake by the transcribers of “Esther” that erroneously described the captors as Persians , which plays perfectly into the Zionists’ hands.

    • lysias
      March 8, 2015, 6:13 pm

      Since the Hasmoneans were busy purging Hellenizers among the Jews and other populations in Palestine, I imagine they would have welcomed a story about a threat to Jews being eliminated.

      • MHughes976
        March 12, 2015, 5:00 pm

        I suppose that everyone knew that there had been a period of Persian rule and that by 115 the Parthian dynasty, claiming descent from the old royal house of Persia, was gaining territory and power. The portrait of the Persian King and people is quite positive in Esther as it had been in Isaiah. There’s a hint that Parthian royal blood is somewhat Jewish. Presumably Ahasuerus and Esther had children and many descendants – who else would they be?

      • lysias
        March 12, 2015, 5:33 pm

        By 115 B.C., Hasmonean Palestine had already been an ally of the Roman Republic for half a century. I’m not sure it would have been interested in seeking an alliance with the Parthians, especially as doing so would almost certainly have antagonized Rome.

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