Hatred of Israel was reported motive for CA attack, but US press politely ignores the story

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One of the San Bernardino killers hated Israel. Israeli newspapers and foreign papers are making much more of this story than the mainstream US press.  The Jerusalem Post has the story:

The father of one of the San Bernardino killers told an Italian newspaper on Sunday that his son, Sayed Rizan Farook, had an obsessive hatred of Israel that underscored his Islamic radicalism and allegiance to the ideals of Islamic State….

The senior Farook, in an interview with Italian newspaper La Stampa, … confirmed that his son spoke of Islamic State (noting, “Who doesn’t these days?”) and “prescribed to the ideals outlined by IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” which included hating Israel.

“‘Be patient,'” he tried to tell his son. “In two years, Israel won’t exist anymore. Geopolitics is changing in Russia, China and America too.”

“Nobody wants the Jews. What use is it to fight? We have tried it and we lost. Israel does not fight with weapons, but rather with politics.'”

[The original in Italian is translated: “Nobody wants the Jews there.”]

Why isn’t this story getting more attention in the U.S.? Because it leads to the inevitable statement, “America is being attacked because of its support for Israel.” That interpretation can get a reporter fired. And so the accounting of the damage this hatred causes in the United States is never done.

That link was denied after the 9/11 attacks. Osama bin Laden himself said that Palestine was an important motivation for him. Mickey Kaus said the press was downplaying this truth because it might hurt the US-Israel relationship:

It’s obvious–that Israel is partly the issue–yet a lot of effort seems to go into appearing to deny it, or into obscuring it, or at least into not saying it plainly. More than aversion to cliché seems to motivate these contortions. And this motive seems obvious too–it is the fear that admitting the truth might lead to an attempted appeasement of radical Islamic terrorists through abandonment of our ally. Yet, as far as I can see, nobody anywhere near the political mainstream, aside from Robert Novak, is talking about abandoning or weakening the US-Israeli alliance.

Later the 911 Commission also downplayed the motivation, though it did acknowledge it. JTA, 2004:

[The report] shows that several of the hijackers, as well as Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, were motivated in part by hatred of Israel and anger over the support it receives from the United States…

“In his interactions with other students,” the leader of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, “voiced virulently anti-Semitic and anti-American opinions, ranging from condemnations of what he described as a global Jewish movement centered in New York City that supposedly controlle! d the financial world and the media, to polemics against governments o f the Arab world,” the report says.

Bear in mind that Robert Kennedy was killed in Los Angeles 47 years ago while campaigning for the Democratic nomination for the presidency also in some measure because a crazed killer did not like American support for Israel. Associated Press, 1989, based on a David Frost interview of the killer:

Sirhan Sirhan, in his first television interview, said he felt betrayed by Senator Robert F. Kennedy’s support for Israel in the 1967 Arab-Israeli war and said he killed Mr. Kennedy out of concern for the Palestinians.

Again: We never get an accounting of the damage the special relationship causes. All these killers are unhinged, but they are focused on a real issue.

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  1. traintosiberia
    December 7, 2015, 3:27 pm

    Sirhan was from a Palestinian Christian family . His role in the assassination of Robert Kennedy is shrouded in the myriad workings of Dulles’s CIA despite Dulles being out of office .
    He denied though he never said he loved Robert as Oswald clearly had said about his postive feelings to and loving the president Kennedy .

    These two killers in CA had arguments with a messianic Jews who maintained Islamophobic rants on Facebbok . I wonder if it broke the back of the camels.

  2. ivri
    December 7, 2015, 3:32 pm

    Well, just because one person used Israel as a cause cannot make much difference – not in principle (the US cannot be frightened to change policy due to a terror incident) – but mainly because of the many other fronts that the US itself is involved in wars and conflicts that also involve Muslims.

    • bryan
      December 8, 2015, 2:56 am

      Ivri – three points you might like to address (assuming you do think about these things):

      (1) America is indeed involved on many fronts in what is often seen as a conflict with Muslims: but I suspect Israel, at the very least, features in many of the reasons for this. The Muslim “malaise” is very much a reaction to the legacy of colonialism in MENA, first by the Ottomans, British, French, Italians – but now with the sole remaining participant being Israel, backed to the hilt by the US. The defence of Israel has inevitably required the generation of a good-deal of contempt against Muslims, verging on Islamophobia, mostly promulgated by Israel and its supporters. Neo-conservatism, which in order to establish American supremacy in the region, sought to fragment and disrupt the Middle East, had huge overlaps with aggressive Zionism: merely look at the major propogandists for the Project for the New American Century, and the agitators for war with Iran and against the recent agreement.

      (2) Obsessive hatred of Israel is doubtless as silly as obsessive love of Israel but many people have these feelings. (“I hate the wall-paper in the lounge” is silly – it may offend my sense of good design and aesthetics, I may be critical of it, but it is an abstract entity that really does not deserve strong emotional commitment, either for or against). Love and hate are often mis-used and other words would more accurately describe the relationship. Israel is far from being the worst country in the world – but in many respects it is unique. Sudan, North Korea, Myanmar etc. etc. oppress their people terribly but (a) do not have the intensity in press coverage that Israel does (some critical, but much laudatory); (b) are not backed, armed, defended, funded by the government and people of America; (c) are under-developed, impoverished, ill-educated and chaotic societies, which Israel is clearly not; (d) have not sought over such a long period to suppress the rights and identity of the indigenous owners of the land (which the original Mandate after WW1 asserted were deserving and almost ready for national independence and representative government). So those who do “hate” Israel may have rational justifications for doing so, at least as much as those that obsessively “love” Israel.

      (3) Perhaps most importantly, the world must address the utterly misguided idea that those who “hate” Israel have any justification to throw in their lot with ISIS or other forms of Islamic fundamentalism. ISIS is not fighting to liberate Palestine but to destroy order, diversity, fredom and human values. The alternative though is not clear: those who obssessively “love” Israel have many legitimate channels to express that “love” (e.g. shouting over the internet, joining the IDF, lobbying, campaigning, demonstating, funding, voting). Those who are “hate” or are critical of Israel have far fewer legitimate channels by which they can non-violently campaign for change. In the US action via the ballot-box is impossible (at the moment), many forms of activism are demonised, most of the mass-media strenuously act to deny a voice to critics of Israel. How would Ivri advise a legitimate critic of Israel to proceed. You may not like it but joining the BDS movement may be the best method of channelling criticism of Israel constructively, peacefully, non-violently, and some success in that direction may help to open up other options within politics, society and the media.

      • ivri
        December 8, 2015, 1:02 pm

        @Bryan
        Just briefly.
        Point 1. I have big trouble staking seriously a claim that Israel could be so powerful to have been doing all that. It is possible though that it acted as a catalyst in some of the moves that now devastate Arab countries – in those instances where it felt under direct threat – but even there it only dovetailed processes that are broad and general or even, in some cases, historic.
        I can tell you first-hand that up until recently, or perhaps the second Intifada, there were no serious Islamphobic tendencies in Israel. It was all political here – conflict over land and security – and only marginally ethnic or religious.
        Point 2. Your negative view of Israel is unjustified (and the fact that you put it in the league of North-Korea and Sudan is frankly insulting, if not utterly ridiculous, and in my view anybody who does that exposes himself/herself as having an irrational hostility towards Israel) – and that is why it is not accepted by the entire political class in the US. Beyond all the heavy propaganda Israel is a real democracy, it has a vast array of civil institutions, it is ruled by the law and it has a can-do attitude and a highly energetic one in many fields: industrial, economic, the virtual scene, agriculture, medicine, academic research in all fields and so on. Serious people in the US understands that and also know in what hard conditions it came to happen – whence their very strong pro-Israeli attitude (apart from the concrete ties that got developed between an array of bodies and branches in the 2 countries). That is also where the split between the anti-Israel obsessed and the strongly pro-Israel came to be.
        Point 3. ISIS is huge trouble for everybody – Israel included.

  3. JWalters
    December 7, 2015, 4:12 pm

    Thank you for the courage to publish these plain facts. These are clear and well documented facts which are centrally relevant to America’s most pressing foreign policy problem. And they are being rigorously omitted from mainstream media discussions. The absolute irrationality of this by any reasonable standards of objectivity and honesty is CONCLUSIVE proof that the mainstream media is being suppressed on behalf of the Israelis. Because there is simply no other reasonable, alternative explanation in this physical world.

  4. pabelmont
    December 7, 2015, 4:12 pm

    USA will not change policy from one attack; or from many. Because the arms industry makes $$ by selling arms to (the USA which buys them for) Israel.

    But the analysis of the press is instructive: we are in so many ways denied information that is relevant to the real world. Even if you LOVE Israel, you may still understand that the occupation does not make Israel safer and the settlements do not make Israel safer. So you can love Israel and see the utility of news reports to promote peace (not possible until occupation and settlements are ended).

    And we are denied those news reports.

  5. Boomer
    December 7, 2015, 4:17 pm

    It is good that you highlight this. It seems strange that this should need to be explained to any American. If it was not widely understood before 9/11 (despite attacks on American interests overseas, despite clear statements by OBL and others), then surely, one would think that it would be well-known afterwards. Yet many Americans remain ignorant about this. Of course, large segments of the media and most elected officials have worked to maintain that ignorance.

    It is noteworthy as well, how Israel’s advocates speak as if the choice were between “abandonment” of Israel and the status quo: our unqualified defense of Israel’s continuing dispossession and oppression of Palestinians. Israel’s defenders want nothing less than complete freedom for Israel to continue its agenda, with no concern for the Palestinians. It’s a silly rhetorical ploy. With its army and nuclear weapons and strong economy Israel isn’t endangered, and would not be endangered by treating Palestinians with justice.

    • Boomer
      December 7, 2015, 9:11 pm

      PS: On reflection, I remembered that Zaid recently posted a link to an article reporting a poll that found 37% of Americans (and half of Democrats) favor sanctions against Israel as a response to the settlement building. I would guess that at least this many Americans do understand the linkage between oppression of Palestinians and terrorism. But their opinions don’t matter, any more than the vote of the delegates at the last Democratic convention regarding Jerusalem mattered. The elites decide based on the wishes of the 1%, or the 1/10 of 1%.

      link supplied by Zaid: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4734987,00.html

  6. Blownaway
    December 7, 2015, 5:00 pm

    Bin laden was a genius he used our country’s arrogance against us. One man in one move has caused us to do so much self inflicted economic and reputational damage to what could have been the greatest country. Not until we get a transformational government will we ever get out of this morass. Obama proved we need someone other than a politician.

    • Boomer
      December 7, 2015, 6:46 pm

      Blownaway, you are right about the damage being “self-inflicted.” The damage OBL’s men did on 9/11 was tiny compared with what our response inflicted on ourselves and on the people of the region. And it continues.

  7. cogit8
    December 7, 2015, 5:05 pm

    Hello Phil,
    As usual you’ve written another insightful post on Palestine: how it continues to be a festering wound to the Arab people’s heart, and how the MSM continues to mislead, obfuscate, and dissemble the whole issue.
    In fact, the MSM and the usual government apparatchiks are subtly moving the goal-posts at night, and towards the position that people who support the Palestinians have become “self-radicalized by reading hateful literature on the internet”. Oh! there’s a knock on my door and a swat-team outside with a battering ram so I need to go now . . .

    • YoniFalic
      December 7, 2015, 7:05 pm

      I thought I could just walk away from Israel and from Jewishness until I studied Jewish history at Columbia and came to loathe everything about the State of Israel and the white racist genocidal colonialism of Eastern European “Jews”. I realized that I had to become an activist against Zionism and the State of Israel.

  8. dbroncos
    December 7, 2015, 11:00 pm

    Phil wrote

    “All these killers are unhinged, but they are focused on a real issue”

    “Bear in mind that Robert Kennedy was killed in Los Angeles 47 years ago while campaigning for the Democratic nomination for the presidency also in some measure because a crazed killer did not like American support for Israel.”

    “all these people” are crazed and unhinged? Was Nat Turner crazed and unhinged? George W Bush?

  9. zaid
    December 7, 2015, 11:21 pm

    Israel was and still the main reason for terrorism against the west.

    They justc hose to ignore it.

    Binladin:

    America will never dream of security unless we will have it in reality in Palestine,” he added. “God willing, our raids on you will continue as long as your support to the Israelis will continue.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/bin-laden-war-words-quotes

    • Jackdaw
      December 8, 2015, 4:31 am

      @zaid

      “Israel was and still the main reason for terrorism against the west.”

      As your Guardian link proves, Bin Laden was a psychopath with lots of opinions.
      He had many motives for the 9/11 attacks, and subsequent attacks. Israel was just one of many.

  10. Citizen
    December 8, 2015, 2:20 am

    Hannity interviewed the wife of the messianic Jew who posted anti-Muslim stuff on his Facebook page and argued with the shooter about Israel. She said her husband wore that tassled garment and sported a star of David tie pin at work; although she brought up Israel several times, Hannity (of all people) never pursued it. Knowing Hannity, that’s very telling! (She also said supposedly the FBI is going to interview the surviving targets and their families. She said she expected them to come to her home.)

  11. Citizen
    December 8, 2015, 2:35 am

    Here’s google translation of the Italian article–it switched the gender article but is revealing, clearly shows the shooter was angry about Israel (& you can assume he hated paying US taxes to help Israel–US main media said so, but didn’t didn’t mention Israel per se):

    PAUL Mastrolilli
    SENT TO CROWN (CALIFORNIA)
    It’s seven o’clock in the evening and darkness fell on the residential community of Corona where he lives Raheel Farook, brother of the killer of San Bernardino. I knock on the door of Forum Way, but no one answers, even if the lights are on inside. From the road he approaches an old man pushing a child on a tricycle, and he asks: “Can I help you?”. Of course you can. Are you the father of Syed, right? “Yup”. We can talk about his son? “No, look, the FBI I have already questioned for seven hours. There is opened a criminal inquiry, and if I speak risk prison. ” But we speak only of his son, not investigation. It was, as a person? “An angel. Good, obedient, studious. Maybe a little ‘too shy, conservative, and secured against Israel. ”
     
    When she arrived from Pakistan?
    “In 1973 I went to Chicago, I took bachelor’s degree in mechanical engineering, and then I started to work hard to build a family. I also drove trucks: weeks away from home, and a broken back, to ensure my children an education and a chance to succeed. ”
     
    Why did you call everyone Syed?
    “Why Illinois hospital where my children were born ignorant and confused the names. Actually they called and Rizwan Raheel. I’m Syed. ”
     
    Why does he say that his son was too conservative?
    “Do you think a teenager is not going to parties of the classmates, because he said that a good Muslim can see dance only his wife. I come from the city, are a liberal, joking as they do throughout the Pakistanis and the suggested disbanding, but there was nothing to do. ”
     
    They say his wife Rafia divorced because she drank and beat her. So she went to live with Rizwan, while she came here with Raheel. It is true?
    “They’re all lies. Rizwan was the mama’s boy, and she is very religious like him. They have joined forces against me. Once we had a dispute about the historical figure of Jesus, my son yelled that I was an unbeliever and decided that marriage with my wife had to end. I bought a beautiful house, in the garden where I had planted twenty fruit trees. They sold and destroyed my family. ”
     
    Rizwan why he did what he did?
    “I do not know. I despair and I do not understand. He had everything: earning $ 70,000 a year, more than 20,000 of overtime, a house, a daughter of six months, was the master to earn more. He was fond of mechanics, like me. He studied environmental engineering because there was no work, but its fun were the cars. In his spare time was a mechanic, in his garage. I do not know, I can not give me peace. Maybe if I were at home I would have found out and stopped. ”
     
    She had not noticed that accumulated weapons?
    “Once I saw he had a gun, and I was angry: in 45 years of the United States – I shouted – I never had a weapon. He shrugged and said, worse for you. ”
     
    Never were speaking of terrorism, Isis?
    “Sure. And who does not talk about today? He said he shared the ideology of Al Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and it was fixed with Israel. ”
     
    What does it mean?
    “I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, two years Israel will no longer exist. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there. Li will report in Ukraine. What good fight? We have done that and we lost. Israel is not fighting with weapons, but with politics. He, however, nothing was fixed. ”
     
    Fixed on what?
    “She was angry with Israel.”
     
    He had contacts with terrorists abroad?
    “I do not know. But these days, who knows, with the internet and all that technology? “.
     
    Some say that to radicalize his son was his wife.
    “Maybe, I do not know. But he knows that I have never seen? Not even all covered with burqas showed succeed. I only know that he was born in Pakistan and lived in Saudi Arabia, but I never spoke. He did not want to see her in-laws. I told my son that it destroyed our family, but he did not care. ”
     
    When did you separate?
    “Last May he went with his wife, daughter and mother in Redlands, and in September I have come here to live with Raheel.”
     
    When did you last saw them?
    “It’s been to see us on a couple of occasions. I told him I had to finish the master to earn more, because now he had a responsibility to his daughter. ”
     
    Meanwhile, her granddaughter, cousin of this child was orphaned six months, fell asleep on the tricycle. The daughter called Syed for dinner. I greet him and I wish him to find peace: “No, it will not happen. You split your back to raise a child, and then you lose it like that. As you recover from such a tragedy? I’m 67 years old and my life is over here. “

  12. Citizen
    December 8, 2015, 2:46 am

    Here’s the same story from the Daily Mail, referencing the Italian newspaper as source: ‘Momma’s boy’ Farook was fiercely religious conservative, his dad says http://dailym.ai/1XMMLD6 via @MailOnline

  13. Jackdaw
    December 8, 2015, 4:10 am

    ” “America is being attacked because of its support for Israel ”

    The simple answer is that the shooters wanted to shame the United States. To show that the United States is vulnerable. Westerners haven’t yet fully grasped the ‘shaming’ mindset.

    The couple had been radicalized for some time. Whatever set them off is irrelevant.

    • oldgeezer
      December 8, 2015, 11:45 am

      @jackdaw

      I’m not buying that. The shaming culture seems as much a part of israel as anyplace else. Any westerner of average intelligence or above knows we are vulnerable. Always have been and always will be. It takes a true idiot to believe it was, or ever will be, any other way.

      As for shaming anyone in the west all I can say is huh? Please explain as I doubt anyone feels shame over these attacks merely because we live here.

      Motives for attacks are always relevant and never irrelevant.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2015, 11:52 am

        I doubt anyone feels shame over these attacks merely because we live here.

        not because i live here, but as an american i’m ashamed w/my gov for supporting israel. we should all be — and let them know. but shame is not something i’m naturally inclined towards unless i’m directly implicated which i don’t feel i am simply because i am american.

      • oldgeezer
        December 8, 2015, 12:05 pm

        @annie

        I agree totally. As I feel shame over our support for other similar states such as Saudi Arabia. We need to stand on the side of justice.

      • Jackdaw
        December 8, 2015, 2:06 pm

        @geezer

        The Boston Marathon bombers, the San Bernadino killers and the Parisian murderers didn’t leave manifestos behind stating their beliefs or goals. Nor did they claim that they carried out their attacks to avenge someone.

        There’s no need to, when their simple goal is to shame the West for not protecting it’s people.

    • oldgeezer
      December 8, 2015, 4:10 pm

      @Jackdaw

      Big yawn Jack. It actually makes no sense to attack hoping to shame a culture that does not share the same viewpoint. That doesn’t preclude an assumption on their part that we share the same cultural beliefs but that delves deeper into the realms of fantasy to think they could believe that.

      Anyway… Manifesto or not the boston bomber clearly identified retribution and not shame as the motivator.

      “I bear witness that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger (hole) r actions came with (hole) a (hole) ssage and that is (hole) ha Illalah. The U.S. Government is killing our innocent civilians but most of you already know that. As a M (hole) I can’t stand to see such evil go unpunished, we Muslims are one body, you hurt one you hurt us all, well at least that’s how Muhammad (pbuh) wanted it to be (hole) ever, the ummah [community of Muslims] is beginning to rise/awa (hole) has awoken the mujahideen [“holy warriors”], know you are fighting men who look into the barrel of your gun and see heaven, now how can you compete with that. We are promised victory and we will surely get it. Now I don’t like killing innocent people it is forbidden in Islam but due to said (hole) it is allowed.”

      http://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-dzhokhar-tsarnaev-wrote-blood/story?id=29534415

      And regardless of this side debare motive is always relevant.

  14. CMitc
    December 8, 2015, 4:17 am

    The only difference is, Israel and Jews disagree with a lot of countries out there – but they don’t go to these countries and shoot people up.

    If we decide to shun Israel just to appease a group of very (very) violent people, the heck with them. Those people do not belong in our society anyway.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 8, 2015, 9:02 am

      but they don’t go to these countries and shoot people up.

      for the most part, they don’t need to. as long as our politicians do their bidding the US military can do that for them. think iraq. didn’t work to well w/iran tho. w/syria — once clinton gets in office we’ll have a lot more boots on the ground there. maybe israel will even be able to steal more of the golan.

    • Boo
      December 8, 2015, 9:08 am

      True, they don’t go to other countries to shoot people up — nor do they go very far — just next door to Gaza, where every couple of summers they take some target practice with fancy American weaponry and murder a few thousand more Palestinian civilians.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 8, 2015, 9:20 am

        nor do they go very far — just next door to Gaza

        actually there are probably quite a few american jews who travel a very long way to savagely slaughter children in gaza. a lot of american jews have joined the occupation army. plus, a lot of the violent settlers thugs are american jews. richard silverstein recently reported (unconfirmed but logically sourced by hebrew press) one of the jewish terrorists who torched the Dawabsha family in Duma was an american youth.

      • oldgeezer
        December 8, 2015, 10:08 am

        Not very true at all. Just ask some of the people in Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Those who survived the slaughter would disagree. Let alone individuals in Iran and other countries where assassinations are carried out. Sometimes in the wrong people.

    • eljay
      December 8, 2015, 9:17 am

      || CMitc: The only difference is, Israel and Jews disagree with a lot of countries out there – but they don’t go to these countries and shoot people up. … ||

      Yup, Israel and Jews aren’t as bad as Saudi Arabia, Mali and African “hell-holes”.

      || … If we decide to shun Israel just to appease a group of very (very) violent people, the heck with them. Those people do not belong in our society anyway. ||

      Israel should be shunned not because of the actions of some “very (very) violent [non-Jewish] people”, but because it is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist state that flouts international law and refuses to honour its obligations.

      There’s no reason that “we” should offer unquestioning, undying, “no light between” financial, military, economic and political support to such a state.

    • oldgeezer
      December 8, 2015, 11:47 am

      It is time we stop appeasing the very (very) violent, land grabbing expansionist, human rights abusing state of Israel. They are not western by any measure and the state does not belong with our society. Time to hild them to account for their half century of crimes and the trail of dead civilians they have created.

      • a4tech
        December 8, 2015, 12:01 pm

        This constitute as a form of racism, by whitewashing the extremely problematic past and present of “Western” society, and falsely denying the connection between Zionism in Israel, and the prevalent ideology of the US state, which is White Supremacy. I get that you are an old geezer, but that does not afford you the pass to be an ignorant racist who believes in any form of supremacy of Western society.

  15. Yossarian22
    December 8, 2015, 10:22 am

    I think this is a terrible avenue to pursue. Do you really want the Palestinian human rights movement to be associated with crazed gunmen who just shot up a government office? These were disturbed people looking to fill the emptiness inside them. They latched on to ISIS just like disaffected white kids latch on the Columbine/mass shooting subculture/cult. Sure, anger at American support for Israeli apartheid played some role in their radicalization, but it’s impossible to know how much or whether they would have still committed the shooting if the US had decided to support human rights in I/P. And most importantly, trying to bring up I/P when talking about these people will only play into Bibi’s hands and help to smear Palestinians and their grievances as savage, violent jihadists.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 8, 2015, 11:26 am

      Do you really want the Palestinian human rights movement to be associated with crazed gunmen who just shot up a government office?

      i don’t think this report “associates” the Palestinian human rights movement with the people who carried out the attack. anger at American support for Israel is pervasive throughout the ME and beyond. that can’t be wiped away. of course some of that leads to radicalization. i agree it’s impossible to know how much. had the US decided to support human rights in I/P, from the very beginning, we’d might be looking at a completely different world right now, a completely different landscape.

      trying to bring up I/P when talking about these people will only play into Bibi’s hands and help to smear Palestinians and their grievances as savage, violent jihadists.

      i largely agree with you here. the hasbara trying to make a connection between this incident and israel coming from israel’s defenders (‘see this is what israel goes thru!!’) is all over the place. i read a google translation of the original interview in the italian press and think the words of the father were twisted and used to conflate an israel causation that was not there.

      but i don’t think we can escape the fact that israel and zionism fuels radicalization. primarily it’s political ideology and not religious. but religious radicalization is a component of this conflict used purposely and with intention by both the US and israel in the project to conquer the ME. the signs are everywhere, from the millions of USAID funding to train students and indoctrinate them into radical islam ( http://www.patheos.com/blogs/islamahmadiyya/2015/12/the-origins-of-terrorism-are-geopolitical-not-religious/
      http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/4877/learn-to-be-taliban-k-is-for-kalashinkov/ )

      to israel’s empowerment of hamas. but that doesn’t “associate” radicalization to the Palestinian human rights movement. phil isn’t saying that — i least that’s not how i read it. but i wouldn’t have picked up the story. i think jpost was humping it as were several pro israel posters who posted this story in our comment threads prior to this article. to conflate ‘these guys didn’t like israel and supported palestine’ with ‘people who support palestine are like these guys’ is too much of a stretch. the reason young palestinians in palestine are carrying out random attacks is not because of religious indoctrination. that can’t be said for the jewish terrorist there. they are religiously radicalized, of the kahane variety.

    • talknic
      December 9, 2015, 8:49 am

      @ Yossarian22 ” Do you really want the Palestinian human rights movement to be associated with crazed gunmen who just shot up a government office?”

      Word search for : Palestinian human rights movement – 1 result – ” Do you really want the Palestinian human rights movement to be associated with crazed gunmen who just shot up a government office?”

      I wish I could read what isn’t there. I’d never have to by another book

  16. SerenaGaza
    December 8, 2015, 11:21 am

    Hatred? Palestinian people do not hate anyone; other people take this hatred of Israel as a motivation for the attacks; I just do not think these attacks, including Paris, have been committed by “terrorists”, but by very well paid to do so. Everyone knows that ISIS is funded by US and Israel, as well as by Europe, according to a destabilization and the arms industry.
    I love Palestine and do not hate anyone. Hate is absurd, useless, morbid. The attacks objectively harm the Palestinian cause for freedom, justice and the end of apartheid.
    I’m Italian, I’m not muslim, I’m not anti-Semitic: I am just an activist of BDS for 10 years, and for Palestine for decades.

  17. James Canning
    December 8, 2015, 1:13 pm

    US news media try to keep the American people from comprehending how much damage they incur due to foolish US “support” of Israel and its endless occupation of the West Bank.

  18. RepresentativePress
    December 9, 2015, 11:22 am

    Powerful politicians, journalists and opinion writers have been lying to the American people for years to protect the policy of U.S. support of Israel. You can see what they have been doing in these videos:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bm2GPoFfg&list=PLfrlsC1yJ2dQmLEecJ95P3mcEY6oY2SAl

    Thousands of Americans died on 9/11 yet politicians were more worried about protecting the policy of supporting Israel than giving the American people an honest an full account of why we were attacked. The 9/11 Commissioners shamefully suppressed several mentions of Israel in the 9/11 Report and downplayed that main motive and here is the excuse the 2 top commissioners admit to for doing it in a book they wrote after the 9/11 Report was released: “In their view, listing U.S. support for Israel as a root cause of al Qaeda’s opposition to the United States indicated that the United States should reassess that policy. ” How disgusting is it that these guys think their job was to keep the American people from reassessing the policy of supporting Israel! The Commission failed its duty to fulfill its mandate to “to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks” and ” to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks” because their first priority was protecting the policy of supporting Israel!

    And there has been a dramatic pattern of lies and suppression. Thomas Friedman wrote back in 1998 that Ramzi Yousef and Osama bin Laden “have no specific ideological program or demands.” Yet this is after Youself sent a letter to the NYT spelling out crystal clear demands after they attacked the WTC in 1993: “This action was done in response for the American political, economical, and military support to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries in the region.

    OUR DEMANDS ARE:

    1 – Stop all military, economical, and
    political aid to Israel.

    2 – All diplomatic relations with Israel
    must stop.

    3 – Not to interfere with any of the
    Middle East countries interior affairs.”

    After his capture, the FBI questioned Ramzi Yousef on the flight back from Pakistan about his motivations for bombing the World Trade Center in 1993.

    “Yousef said he took no thrill from killing American citizens and felt guilty about the civilian deaths he had caused. But his conscience was overridden by his desire to stop the killing of Arabs by Israeli troops.” “Yousef said he “would like it to be different,” but only terrible violence could force this kind of abrupt political change. He said that he truly believed his actions had been rational and logical in pursuit of a change in U.S. policy toward Israel. He mentioned no other motivation during the flight and no other issue in American foreign policy that concerned him.” Steve Coll, Ghost Wars p273

    And Osama bin Laden had already made it clear by 1998 since two fatwas had been publsiehd plus interviews with the press: This is from a 1997 interview:

    REPORTER: Mr. Bin Ladin, you’ve declared a jihad against the United States. Can you tell us why? And is the jihad directed against the US government or the United States’ troops in Arabia? What about US civilians in Arabia or the people of the United States?

    BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government,because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet’s Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world. 

    Friedman denied specifically that Ramzi Yousef and Osama bin Laden had specific demands. “The super-empowered angry men have no specific ideological program or demands … Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing, was a super-empowered angry man. Osama bin Laden is another.”

    Even after the 9/11 attack, Friedman continued to lie, he claimed, “the fact is that bin Laden never focused on this issue. He only started talking about “Palestine” after September 11, when he sensed that he might be losing the support of the Arab street. ” (p311 of Longitudes & Attitudes ) and ” Osama bin Laden never mentioned the Palestinian cause as motivating his actions until he felt he was losing support in the Arab world. ” (p361-362 of Longitudes & Attitudes ) What Friedman has written is a flat out lie.

    The video playlist linked above shows others playing along with this dishonest agenda, including Dan Rather not reading “Israel” from the Reuters newswire on the morning of the 9/11 attack: “Expert: Bin Laden Warned of ‘Unprecedented’ Attack (Reuters) Sep 11, 11:19 AM ET
    Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he and his followers would carry out an unprecedented attack on U.S. interests for its support of Israel, an Arab journalist with access to him said Tuesday.”

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