Stephen Cohen calls out liberal media for demonizing Russia, slurring Tillerson and stigmatizing all dissent

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Stephen Cohen was on WNYC this morning exploding the new Cold War discourse of Russian-demonization. He said that progressives and Democrats have all lined up for a view of Russia and Putin as evil, that it is a dangerous belief because there are three hot points between the superpowers right now, that the intelligence agencies have produced no “public facts” to support the view that Russia hacked the Democratic Party emails, and that Donald Trump was “wise” when he said that he refused to demonize Putin and wouldn’t it be great if the two countries could cooperate not fight.

Finally Cohen, the professor of Russian history, said that we have entered a period of McCarthyism because his views are not published in the New York Times or Washington Post or on MSNBC, and younger scholars tell him that they would damage their careers if they expressed these ideas.

It’s astounding that these views are being expressed in the mainstream at last, on Brian Lehrer’s WNYC show. Hat’s off to Lehrer. Maybe this will break a dam and lead to what Cohen seeks: “open debate” of US policy towards Russia. The American people do not want a new cold war, he says, even if the Clintonite elites do.

The interview’s not up yet at WNYC, so my summary is from handwritten notes:

Cohen said the Demonizing Russia narrative began last August on the front page of the New York Times at the behest of the Clinton campaign. Paul Krugman and the New York Times have continued to this day to “slur” Donald Trump as a Kremlin agent, when there is no evidence to support such a view, and that such comments stigmatize everyone who takes a heterodox position on the new Cold War. And that younger scholars now fear speaking out because of this orthodoxy, lest they close off career opportunities.

He said that Rex Tillerson of Exxon Mobil is also being slurred as a friend of Putin’s. Does that mean they go clubbing together? he quipped. Does he play with Putin’s dogs? Tillerson is a friend of profits and capital, and every oil exec cultivates Putin as part of his or her job. The Senate must scrutinize Tillerson’s conflicts of interest, but he is obviously a very competent and intelligent capitalist with world experience, one of the two best names that Trump floated for Secretary of State.

There are no “public facts” to support the CIA contention that Russia hacked the DNC emails. Ultimately it is unlikely that any facts will be publicly produced. Everyone is in the habit of quoting 17 intelligence agencies. Can you even name that many agencies– no. Yes it is very likely that the emails were hacked in Russia; but that doesn’t necessarily implicate the Kremlin. There are a lot of freelance hackers there. The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity have said that they believe that the emails were leaked from someone in the U.S. Will this question be debated honestly or in a climate of “hysteria,” Cohen asked.

And Cohen said he is deeply concerned by the climate of opinion here because the combination of circumstances poses dangers as or more threatening than the Cuban missile crisis.

As for the new fears about false news, Cohen said that our mainstream media propagates so much bad information as to make Russian efforts seem “feeble” by comparison. What our foreign policy needs most urgently, he said, is an open discussion. That’s how democracies are supposed to work. But the New York Times and Washington Post refuse to run op-eds with his point of view.

What a breath of fresh air. Let’s have the open debate.

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  1. ckg
    December 14, 2016, 1:30 pm

    In October the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement fingering Russia on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. Politifact listed the 17 agencies that make up the U.S. Intelligence Community.

    Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

    But it isn’t clear how many agencies made independent assessments rather than merely rely on the analysis of other agencies in the USIC.

  2. HarryLaw
    December 14, 2016, 3:01 pm

    Craig Murray friend of Julian Assange said
    “CIA’s Russia hacking claims dismissed as ‘bulls***’ by former UK ambassador Craig Murray
    ‘I know who leaked them. I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack” http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/cias-russia-hacking-claims-dismissed-as-bulls-by-former-uk-ambassador-craig-murray-35288057.html Trump said it could be some 400 lb person sitting on a bed, which when you think about it, does not totally exonerate himself as the Manchurian candidate.
    The US political class have lost their minds. “Have You Left No Sense of Decency Sir?”

  3. yonah fredman
    December 14, 2016, 4:30 pm

    I am biased against Russian dictatorship, whether czar leninist or putin. The election of trump downgrades world democracy. Russia has only a fleeting experience with democracy.

    The US habit of fighting wars is worthy of study and criticism. The 71 years of postwar us leadership is about to change for at least the length of trump’s stewardship. I don’t know precisely how the anti iran sloganeering fits into the rapprochement with putin. Seems to be a tilt towards russia and against China.

    I am not convinced of the angelic nature of the oppressed peoples of eastern europe, but since I come from there, I try to put myself in their shoes and I’m sure the average Ukrainian is not gladdened by this rapprochement.

  4. Keith
    December 14, 2016, 4:58 pm

    PHIL- “He said that Rex Tillerson of Exxon Mobil is also being slurred as a friend of Putin’s.”

    Two comments. First, when did liberals suddenly approve of red baiting? When did the Democrats become the anti-Russian, consummate war party? How many Democratic supporters fancy themselves “liberal,” yet go along with this right-wing militaristic warmongering? It would appear that “liberal” is just a label and group solidarity is the primary motivator. How did it come to this?

    Second, I am so sick of the constant liberal whining about what a disaster Trump’s cabinet choices are. In our neoliberal empire, bad is relative. Let us do an honest comparison of the proposed Trump cabinet (no doubt bad) with Obama’s cabinet choices. How does Rex Tillerson compare with warmonger Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State, for example? How does he compare with President wannabe Hillary’s likely choice of Victoria Nuland for Secretary of State? I seriously doubt that Tillerson, bad as he may be, is anywhere near as bad as Hillary Clinton or Victory Nuland. In other words, the choice could be a lot worse. At least with Trump we may all live long enough to experience the disaster soon to come. Cold comfort, perhaps, but comfort nonetheless.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 14, 2016, 5:31 pm

      keep, not sure you can lump all liberals into one category. for the most part i do think you can lump all liberals in the msm in one basket. and the dnc for sure. but there are a likely a lot of people who consider themselves liberal and generally vote for the dem party who are not taking part in this clinton denial revenge — who don’t fall in line with this kind of thinking.

      an as i recall lots of people who voted for obama were disappointed in his cabinet picks. from samantha power to rahm emanual and clinton for sec of state and nuland and not supporting the ukraine intervention. not to mention the treasury sec and the bailout.

      plus, many dems either didn’t vote for hillary or voted for her begrudgingly. and many of those probably consider themselves liberals and don’t hate russia. don’t believe everything you read or hear.

      • RoHa
        December 14, 2016, 7:09 pm

        “you can lump all liberals in the msm in one basket.”

        In the light of recent performance, probably a good thing to do.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 14, 2016, 7:53 pm

        checked out keith olbermann lately? wow, what a disaster he’s turned out to be.

      • ToivoS
        December 14, 2016, 8:37 pm

        Annie must disagree with you on this. Most of the people I know who identify as liberal democrats support completely Hillary’s claims that Putin was responsible for her loss. It has gotten so bad I have seen them citing John McCain as an authority confirming their belief. This has surprised me. There is some kind of hysterical group think going on here where we might see 75 million democrats clamoring for war against Russia. Let’s hope that they soon come to their senses.

      • RoHa
        December 14, 2016, 9:55 pm

        I don’t know who Keith Olbermann is. (Don’t forget that a big name in the US can be a complete unknown out here in the real world.)

        But it certainly looks as though every stop is being pulled out in an attempt to somehow deny Trump the presidency.

      • Sibiriak
        December 14, 2016, 10:22 pm

        Annie Robbins: checked out keith olbermann lately?
        —————-

        Yep. I’d say he qualifies as someone spewing out what Toivo aptly labels ” hysterical group think” :

        Donald Trump has been installed as president by a bloodless coup carried out by Russia and “traitorous” Republicans , according to Keith Olbermann.

        We are at war with Russia ,” Olbermann said. “Or perhaps more correctly, we have a lost a war with Russia without a battle. We are no longer a sovereign nation, we are no longer a democracy, we are no longer a free people — we are the victims of a bloodless coup.”

        * * *
        […]“There is no time for a full review or a measured analysis or recommendations to prevent interference in our future elections,” Olbermann said. “Because permitting Donald Trump to assume the office of president reduces the chance that we will have any future elections. The nation and all of our freedoms hang by a thread, and the military apparatus of this country is about to be handed over to scum who are beholden to scum — Russian scum. ” [emphasis added]

        http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/keith-olbermann-blasts-traitors-protecting-trump-we-are-victims-bloodless-coup

      • Susie Kneedler
        December 14, 2016, 11:08 pm

        Yes, thanks, RoHa and Annie: the dominant press has forgotten that “eternal vigilance” includes energetic skepticism, including of all government claims.
        Roha, Olbermann has been a sportscaster and host of political programs. “Abe” posted a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ragMBCzPA to his rants in comments to the VIPS Memorandum https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/12/us-intel-vets-dispute-russia-hacking-claims/.
        Toivo, I think those “clamoring for war” are no longer Liberal, but have become Neoconservative–like so many in the past 40 years. I wonder, though, how they could have changed all their principles without noticing. Is it blind allegiance to party–“the danger of parties in the state” George Washington warned us about in his “Farewell Address”?

      • Keith
        December 15, 2016, 1:05 am

        SIBIRIAK- (quoting Keith Olbermann) “We are at war with Russia ,” Olbermann said. “Or perhaps more correctly, we have a lost a war with Russia without a battle. We are no longer a sovereign nation, we are no longer a democracy, we are no longer a free people — we are the victims of a bloodless coup.”

        The bloodless coup will be if the CIA/ Democrat/ Soros nexus of evil is able to suborn enough electors to install warmonger Hillary Clinton as President. What color is this “revolution?” Silver lining? We now see Democrats for what they really are- lying warmongers! It’s all about power. We truly live in interesting times!

      • Keith
        December 15, 2016, 5:15 pm

        TOIVOS- “Most of the people I know who identify as liberal democrats support completely Hillary’s claims that Putin was responsible for her loss.”

        Moveon.org is calling for the Electoral College electors to vote for Hillary instead of Trump. If the CIA/Soros/Democrat nexus is successful in their soft coup attempt (what else to call it?), President Hillary would be expected to retaliate for this Putin lead assault on our democracy. By specifically blaming Russia and Putin for Hillary’s loss, this element of the Deep State is laying the groundwork for war. Does not the Moveon.org membership understand that they are calling for confrontation and likely war? Perhaps it would be appropriate to once again quote Herman Goering on how the people can be made to support endless war.

        “Why of course the people don’t want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don’t want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” (Herman Goering)

      • tokyobk
        December 16, 2016, 12:47 am

        In every possible way that is deemed important here, Trump and his cabinet will far surpass Obama and (I imagine what would have been ) Hillary.

        The reason the alt-right, white nationalists, hard left, libertarians etc… share a strange bed with either liking or not hating Trump is because he allows a kind of venting that people mistakenly pride even over their supposed causes.

        Whites in the rust belt got to say F You to the elite coasts. And that is about all they will get.

        People here mitigating concerns about Russia and Putin will see in the next years how a supposed Russia US alliance is really the alliance of a dozen or so billionaires.

        And only God knows what will happen in Syria.

        But, its true you might be able to say Jewish lobby out loud so theres that.

      • tokyobk
        December 16, 2016, 12:51 am

        … far surpass in a negative way. Israel’s government already knows this.

        The last to seem to know are among the left. But you will see in the next few years.

      • Mooser
        December 16, 2016, 12:29 pm

        “But, its true you might be able to say Jewish lobby out loud so theres that.”

        Sheer ignorance. Judaism only solves problems through discussion. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/profile/tokyobk/#sthash.kqgQX4No.dpuf
        Naturally the “Jewish lobby” has been a topic of discussion for some time. Some people call it the “Israel Lobby” or even the “Zionist lobby”, but I’ll trust you for the correct appellation. No doubt you have discussed it.

    • JWalters
      December 14, 2016, 9:15 pm

      “How does he compare with President wannabe Hillary’s likely choice of Victoria Nuland for Secretary of State?”

      Well stated. The “problem” with Tillerson is that he is not clearly in Israel’s pocket. THAT is what is driving this whole MSM windstorm.

      • Citizen
        December 15, 2016, 9:10 am

        Yep.

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 1:56 am

      Keith, check out this NBC article.

      U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack

      http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-officials-putin-personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146

      It’s a perfect template for a MSM propaganda piece.

      Technique: Repeatedly cite unnamed but supposedly reliable “official” sources

      U.S. intelligence officials now believe with “a high level of confidence” that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

      Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.

      Putin’s objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a “vendetta” against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to “split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn’t depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore,” the official said.

      ——————-

      Technique: Add additional spin to the spin provided by the unnamed “official sources”

      Ultimately, the CIA has assessed, the Russian government wanted to elect Donald Trump.

      The FBI and other agencies don’t fully endorse that view, but few officials would dispute that the Russian operation was intended to harm Clinton’s candidacy by leaking embarrassing emails about Democrats.

      * *.*

      Now the U.S has solid information tying Putin to the operation, the intelligence officials say. Their use of the term “high confidence” implies that the intelligence is nearly incontrovertible.

      • Mooser
        December 19, 2016, 6:28 pm

        “Who’s worried?”

        So you are pretty sure Trump has a plan, a sure-fire plan, to deal with all this, the emoluments, the Russians, etc?
        Hey, I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and say that if Barack Obama could deal with the obstructionism and prejudice facing the first black President of the US, ironing all this out and getting down to “making our dreams come true” should be no more than child’s play for Ivanka. Just something to do in between deals, meals and repeals.

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 2:01 am

      (Cont.)

      Technique: Quote the unsubstantiated opinions of an extremely biased ideologue without giving the slightest hint that he/she is an extremely biased ideologue.

      “It is most certainly consistent with the Putin that I have watched and used to work with when I was an ambassador and in the government,” said Michael McFaul , who was ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.

      “He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton, that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump’s views on Russia,” McFaul added. Clinton cast doubt on the integrity of Russia’s elections.

      McFaul is a favorite MSM “go to guy” for anti-Russian quotes.

      ——————

      Technique: Include links/videos/photos to reinforcing propaganda pieces

      Tillerson is ‘Gift for Putin,’ Former Top Russian Minister Says

      Clinton: Putin ‘a Tough Guy with a Thin Skin

      A file picture dated 15 June 2012 shows Russian President Vladimir Putin (R), Krasnodar region Governor Alexander Tkachev (C) and ExxonMobil Chairman and CEO Rex Tillerson

      • Keith
        December 15, 2016, 1:42 pm

        SIBIRIAK- “Technique: Quote the unsubstantiated opinions of an extremely biased ideologue without giving the slightest hint that he/she is an extremely biased ideologue.”

        That is absolutely correct, and highly indicative of a propagandistic media. Furthermore, what conclusion can we draw from sending this guy to Moscow as US Ambassador? He is in to regime change, not diplomacy. And now he is being quoted as some sort of expert rather than as a proven attack dog. And what does that say about how the media is lined up in the efforts of the CIA/Soros/Democrat domestic color revolution? And don’t think that it can’t happen here. A couple of quotes to make the point.

        “On June 2, 2010, Hillary Clinton’s calendar as secretary of state shows that she held a half-hour meeting with billionaire investor George Soros and officials from his Open Society Institute, which makes grants to various causes around the world. (The group is now known as the Open Society Foundations.)

        In the room for the meeting was Obama White House special assistant Michael McFaul, who would go on to become the U.S. ambassador to Russia. Also included, according to the calendar entry, were two officials from the Open Society Institute: Michael Hall, who is now the group’s regional director for the Caucasus and Central Asia, and Jeff Goldstein, who is now the group’s senior policy advisor for Eurasia, according to the organization’s website.” (Eamon Javers) http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/30/heres-who-was-in-the-room-when-clinton-met-with-soros-at-state-dept.html

        “This year in January, Obama’s Unites States was so kind to send a new ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul. He’s no stranger to Russia. Being a generous man, he helped bring chaos and misery to Russia in the 90’s. You would think his Russian would be better than it is today but he doesn’t really care. As he said,
        “Most Russia-watchers are diplomats, or specialists on security and arms control. Or Russian culture. I am neither. I can’t recite Pushkin by heart. I am a specialist in democracy, anti-dictatorial movements, and revolutions”
        In other words he is a no account trouble maker. He paid people to protest during the Russian presidential election and like a disease they passed it on.”
        (Xavier Lerma) https://xlerma.wordpress.com/tag/george-soros/

      • Sibiriak
        December 15, 2016, 10:33 pm

        Keith: And what does that say about how the media is lined up in the efforts of the CIA/Soros/Democrat domestic color revolution?

        ———————–

        Btw, a huge part of the “evidence” for Russian government- directed hacking comes from a private cyber security firm, CrowdStrike, which was hired by the DNC. Private firms like these have a direct financial interest in playing up various cyber threats and presenting themselves as know-it-all-experts regarding those threats.

        (Cf. The CrowdStrike Blog article “Bears in the Midst: Intrusion into the Democratic National Committee”

        https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/)

        But it goes much deeper than basic financial conflict of interests. The Co-founder and CTO of Crowdstrike, Dmitri Alperovitch, is closely tied to the Atlantic Council , an Atlanticist think tank with a long history of anti-Russian positions (Google “Atlantic Council Putin” ), “democracy promotion” etc.

        Dmitri Alperovitch Nonresident Senior Fellow, Cyber Statecraft Initiative
        http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/experts/list/dmitri-alperovitch

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Council

        http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/about/board-of-directors

        Among the various luminaries at the Atlantic Council is one of your favorites, the illustrious freedom fighter, Madeleine Albright :

        Madeleine K. Albright is Chair of Albright Stonebridge Group, Chair of Albright Capital Management, an affiliated investment advisory firm focused on emerging markets, and member of the Atlantic Council’s Board of Directors.

        http://mest.atlanticcouncil.org/about/co-chairs/

        Former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and former US National Security Advisor Stephen Hadley announced today [June 2015] the launch of the Middle East Strategy Task Force (MEST). The Task Force is a bipartisan Atlantic Council initiative to try to better understand the underlying dynamics behind the current crises in the Middle East and develop a long-term framework for US policy in the region

        http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/news/press-releases/bright-and-hadley-to-lead-atlantic-council-task-force-on-us-strategy-for-the-middle-east

        http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/images/publications/MEST_Final_Report_web_1130.pdf

        —————–

        So, Alperovitch and his CrowdStrike firm work for the Atlantic Council which is ideologically committed to a neoliberal, “demoracy promotion”, anti-Putin stance–and he is the source of the critical technical “evidence” ( weak as it is) implicating Putin in the DNC hacking.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 16, 2016, 1:54 am

        wow sibiriak

      • Keith
        December 16, 2016, 11:52 am

        SIBIRIAK- “So, Alperovitch and his CrowdStrike firm work for the Atlantic Council which is ideologically committed to a neoliberal, “demoracy promotion”, anti-Putin stance–and he is the source of the critical technical “evidence” ( weak as it is) implicating Putin in the DNC hacking.”

        It says volumes about perception management that this can be narrowly focused on Putin and an alleged hack, and how this constitutes unacceptable “interference” in our “democracy”, a veritable casus belli. Forget the alleged hack, HOW did this alter the results? Oh, the Wikileaks email dumps? Why would positive email communications negatively influence voters? In effect, what the Democrats are admitting is that it was the widespread knowledge of the CONTENTS of Hillary’s emails which caused the problem. This is roughly equivalent to claiming that an anonymous video of police shooting an unarmed Black man is a perversion of our justice system. How can the police be exonerated if the video shows them doing it?

        This whole business has taken on surreal aspects. I am linking to a new Moveon.org video of a Texas elector saying he can’t in good conscience vote for Trump. In the video he refers to Trump’s “defense of Putin” versus the “facts” provided by the intelligence community. Incredible! Below that, I have linked to a press conference where Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett responds to a similar argument by a journalist in the audience. Both of these are interesting for what they reveal in this age of propaganda. Link to Texas elector video: https://www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/10153979048275493/
        Eva Bartlett ink: http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-lies-are-their-agenda-canadian-journalist-blasts-msm-syria-coverage-at-un-event/5562553

      • Sibiriak
        December 17, 2016, 12:37 am

        Another example from the anti-Russian propaganda tsunami, this time from the venerable, principled Liberal, Bil Moyers:

        It is very likely now that Donald Trump will be inaugurated as president of the United States on Jan. 20, in no small part because of the direct intervention in and manipulation of the American electoral process by Vladimir Putin, Russia’s strongman who rose to power as a ruthless agent of the KGB, the former Soviet Union’s secret police. [Actually, Putin was originally the favorite of Yeltsin and the West, looked at as a potential Pinochet type who would enforce the neoliberal order against a resistant population–Sibiriak]

        As we all know, The Washington Post and The New York Times recently reported just how deeply Russian hackers invaded the computers of the Democratic Party, a move intended to confuse voters with leaked excerpts of emails and other documents and thus throw a monkey wrench into the election. Now The Post reports that the CIA believes he Russian meddling was deliberately intended to help sway the vote in Trump’s favor. And NBC News says it was Putin himself who “personally directed” those leaks.

        Why did he do this? For one thing, according to Michael McFaul, the former American ambassador to Russia, Putin has a thing about Hillary Clinton. “He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011,” McFaul told NBC News (Clinton had questioned the integrity of the Russian elections). But more important, McFaul continued, “He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump’s views on Russia.”

        * * *

        […] It is, in the words of former acting CIA Director Michael Morell, who briefed George W. Bush on 9/11 but supported Hillary Clinton this year, “an attack on our very democracy. It’s an attack on who we are as a people. A foreign government messing around in our elections is, I think, an existential threat to our way of life. To me, and this is to me not an overstatement, this is the political equivalent of 9/11.”

        Nancy LeTourneau notes at Washington Monthly’s Political Animal blog, “To understand what is happening here, it is important to reject the old Cold War frame about a contest between capitalism and communism. Russia has long since ceased to be a country built on the teachings of Karl Marx and has evolved into a right-wing ethno-nationalist plutocracy.” [No it hasn’t. Completely distorts Russia’s complex reality–Sibiriak.]

        ETC. [emphasis added]

        http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/trumped-vladimir-putin-russian-strongman-has-upended-american-democracy

        ——————————-

        All talking points dutifully regurgitated. Garbage sources like McFaul and Morell regurgitated. Hyperbolic rhetoric, demonization memes and outright falsehoods regurgitated. The great liberal Bill Moyers, at his finest.

      • Keith
        December 17, 2016, 11:52 am

        SIBIRIAK- “Hyperbolic rhetoric, demonization memes and outright falsehoods regurgitated.”

        Indeed. And what is the headline in the Seattle Times I wake up to see? “OBAMA: PUTIN BEHIND HACKING”. The President of the United States has gone on record as saying that Putin has interfered in the election! And what are the ramifications of that? It has gone much to far for any graceful exit. The knives are out and blood will flow. In an interview with John Pilger published November 5, Julian Assange categorically states that “Trump will not be permitted to win.” (Julian Assange) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sbT3_9dJY4

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2016, 12:15 pm

        “The President of the United States has gone on record as saying that Putin has interfered in the election! And what are the ramifications of that?”

        Oh, don’t worry, “Keith”! In a few short weeks, Obama will not be President any more, and Trump will be (with his hen-pecked, whoops, I meant hand-picked administration) President.
        Don’t get the idea that Obama will still be President, that is not correct.

        ,” Julian Assange categorically states that “Trump will not be permitted to win.”

        Don’t worry, “Keith”! As an experienced politician, I’m sure Trump is aware of all these contingencies, and knows what to do, and how to handle it.

      • Keith
        December 17, 2016, 3:15 pm

        MOOSER- “Don’t worry, “Keith”! As an experienced politician, I’m sure Trump is aware of all these contingencies, and knows what to do, and how to handle it.”

        By agreeing to make Victoria Nuland Secretary of State? Establish a No Fly zone over Syria? Force the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to attack Crimea? Launch a full blown propaganda assault on Putin? In other words, morph into Hillary Clinton? Not good enough. Trump simply lacks the ability to manage empire as ruthlessly and effectively as Hillary. He is a buffoon who would ineptly derail Deep State plans for the New World Order, which is why the entire power structure supported Hillary. Trump has no significant support among the power elite, and it will be interesting if he survives.

      • Sibiriak
        December 17, 2016, 4:42 pm

        KEITH: And what is the headline in the Seattle Times I wake up to see? “OBAMA: PUTIN BEHIND HACKING”. –
        ———————

        Well, how about this:

        Russia accused of waging secret warfare against Britain using cyber attacks, espionage and fake news

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/17/russia-accused-waging-secret-war-against-britain-using-cyber/

        Or better yet:

        ‘RUSSIA PUSHING MIGRANT RAPES’ Russia may organise migrant sex attacks in Europe to make Angela Merkel lose German elections, EU experts claim

        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2400317/russia-may-organise-migrant-sex-attacks-in-europe-to-make-angela-merkel-lose-german-elections-eu-experts-claim/

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2016, 5:43 pm

        “Keith” as long as you’re convinced that whatever Trump does, it couldn’t possibly be as bad as what Hilary would have done, you’ll be allright.

      • RoHa
        December 17, 2016, 6:40 pm

        Mooser, I hope that you are right, and Trump does become President.

        I have to say that all these attempts to block him are so spectacularly crazy that they convince me that the elite see Trump as a major threat to their plans and position. And I hope the elite are right, too.

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2016, 7:39 pm

        “that the elite see Trump as a major threat to their plans and position”

        By giving them a tremendous tax cut.

        But just be aware, that once Trump becomes President (and does stuff that’s “unpresidented”) Obama stops being President. He ceases to be the Chief Executive, and also takes his entire staff with him. As long as you understand that. (Trump didn’t, BTW)

      • Mooser
        December 17, 2016, 8:37 pm

        “I have to say that all these attempts to block him are so spectacularly crazy”

        You didn’t know that Trump is vulnerable? It’s not that crazy.

      • RoHa
        December 17, 2016, 8:53 pm

        “By giving them a tremendous tax cut.”

        You’d think they’d be happy to see him, wouldn’t you? Instead, they are running around desperately throwing everything they’ve got into the “stop Trump” project.

        Part of this panic comes from the fact that they have had two major defeats in a row. First the election, then Aleppo.

        “But just be aware, that once Trump becomes President…”

        That’s “if Trump becomes President”. Cup has not yet reached lip.

      • Sibiriak
        December 17, 2016, 11:32 pm

        Majority Want Monday’s Electoral College Vote Postponed In Wake Of Russia Scandal: New Poll

        A majority of American voters favor delaying the December 19th Electoral College vote until electors can be fully briefed on Russian interference in the election, according to a new poll conducted by YouGov.

        The survey, sponsored by the progressive [sic] advocacy group Avaaz*, found 52 percent of people supportive of stalling the vote, set to take place Monday.

        A surprisingly high number of people ― 46 percent ― were also willing to support so-called “faithless electors,” the name given members of the Electoral College who spurn the vote of their home state and vote for a different candidate instead. [emphasis added]

        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/majority-want-mondays-electoral-college-vote-postponed-in-wake-of-russia-scandal-new-poll_us_5855fdaae4b08debb7898779

        ————————–

        Well, it makes sense. Americans should put their faith in CIA reports. The NSA and DNI are prodigious fountains of truth as well. Without an informed public, real democracy is not possible.

        *Avaaz:

        During the 2009 Iranian presidential election protests Avaaz setup internet proxy servers to allow protesters to upload videos onto public websites.[14]

        Avaaz supported the establishment of a no-fly zone over Libya, which led to the military intervention in the country in 2011. It was criticized for its pro-intervention stance in the media and blogs.[15]

        Avaaz supported the civil uprising preceding the Syrian Civil War.

        * * *
        […] Some senior members of other non-governmental organizations working in the middle east have criticized Avaaz for taking sides in a civil war.[14]

        As of November 2016, Avaaz continues campaigning for no-fly zones over Syria in general and specifically Aleppo.

        * * *

        […]In the 2016 United States presidential election Avaaz campaigned against Donald Trump with the slogan “Defeat Donald Trump”, and produced a software tool to simplify overseas voter registration.

        * * *
        […]In 2008, Canadian conservative minister John Baird labeled Avaaz a “shadowy foreign organization” tied to billionaire George Soros.28]

        Another conservative Canadian, Ezra Levant,[29] tried to make a link between Soros and Avaaz.org as an indirect supporter through MoveOn, but the article was later retracted as baseless and an apology was offered to Soros. [emphasis added]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaaz

      • Mooser
        December 18, 2016, 12:11 pm

        “That’s “if Trump becomes President”. Cup has not yet reached lip.”

        My point exactly. It is much easier to envision, to believe that Trump will not get the Presidency than it is to think that Trump (and his all-minority, all working class cabinet) will attain the Presidency.

        And I really get the feeling that nobody can deal with the fact that Trump will be President (it’s “unpresidented”) and Obama will not be President. Not even Clinton, just Trump.

      • Sibiriak
        December 19, 2016, 1:09 am

        Keith: The President of the United States has gone on record as saying that Putin has interfered in the election! And what are the ramifications of that?

        ——————

        Oh, it’s being taken much further than just Russian interference:

        One of the main targets of the cyber-attacks, Clinton campaign chair John Podesta, gave his first interview since the election.

        “The Russians clearly intervened,” he told NBC. “I think it was distorted. A foreign adversary directly intervened into our democratic institution and tried to tilt the election to Donald Trump.”

        * * *
        […] Podesta also said it was an “open question” whether Trump advisers colluded with Russia. “It’s very much unknown whether there was collusion,” he said. [ emphasis added]

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/18/robert-gates-russia-election-interference-donald-trump-hillary-clinton

        In other words, it’s an open question whether the Trump team committed out and out treason.

        And what are the ramifications of that assertion?

      • Sibiriak
        December 19, 2016, 1:25 am

        Yep, going for the nuclear option:

        Keith Olbermann @KeithOlbermann

        “None Dare Call It Treason.” If @realDonaldTrump will ignore CIA to listen instead to Russians, it’s treason

        https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann

      • Keith
        December 19, 2016, 10:37 am

        SIBIRIAK- “And what are the ramifications of that assertion?”

        Obviously that Trump and the CIA backed Deep State are not going to resolve this by agreeing to disagree. We are seeing what likely is a coup in process. With Obama weighing in, the FBI caving and the talking heads crying treason, I have difficulty imagining Trump being inaugurated. Poor Julian Assange is likely toast at this point. The Phoenix has landed!

      • Mooser
        December 19, 2016, 11:43 am

        “Yep, going for the nuclear option:”

        Lock him up! Lock him up! Trump should be in jail!

        If Trump wasn’t ready for all of this (and more!) he shouldn’t have run the way he did. When Trump called on Putin to hack the election I thought he had it all covered.
        But that’s all right, the Donald is famously able to handle stress, and think on his feet.

      • Mooser
        December 19, 2016, 12:14 pm

        “With Obama weighing in, the FBI caving and the talking heads crying treason, I have difficulty imagining Trump being inaugurated.”

        Don’t worry! Trump’s promise to increase Social Security payments, Medicare coverage and expand the ACA will cause a groundswell of popular support in his favor! The people will sweep him into office!

      • Keith
        December 19, 2016, 3:45 pm

        MOOSER- “Don’t worry!”

        Who’s worried? With the CIA in charge, a worker’s paradise is at hand. Peace, justice and prosperity is their motto and has guided their actions at home and abroad.

      • Sibiriak
        December 19, 2016, 9:41 pm

        If a president criticizes the CIA’s judgment, it could be TREASON. Yep, that’s the latest anti-Trump talking point:
        ——————————-

        Donald Trump raises specter of treason

        A specter of treason hovers over Donald Trump. He has brought it on himself by dismissing a bipartisan call for an investigation of Russia’s hacking of the Democratic National Committee as a “ridiculous” political attack on the legitimacy of his election as president.

        Seventeen US national intelligence agencies have unanimously concluded that Russia engaged in cyberwarfare against the US presidential campaign. The lead agency, the CIA, has reached the further conclusion that Russia’s hacking was intended to influence the election in favor of Trump.

        The federal crime of treason is committed by a person “owing allegiance to the United States who . . . adheres to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort,” and misprision of treason is committed by a person “having knowledge of the commission of any treason [who] conceals and does not disclose” the crime.

        By denigrating or seeking to prevent an investigation of the Russian cyberattack Trump is giving aid or comfort to an enemy of the United States […] [emphasis added]

        http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/12/16/trump-raises-specter-treason/zdwgXRuJBMChEXmX5kchhP/story.html?event=event25

      • Keith
        December 20, 2016, 11:16 am

        SIBIRIAK- “If a president criticizes the CIA’s judgment, it could be TREASON.”

        I guess that means that if President Trump were to try to fire the head of the CIA that would be considered PROOF of treason? Actually, I am somewhat surprised that the Electoral College voted the way it did. I thought it a distinct possibility that the CIA, et al, would have made 50 electors offers they couldn’t refuse. Other options are still available.

      • Mooser
        December 20, 2016, 12:00 pm

        “Yep, that’s the latest anti-Trump talking point:”

        Treason? Crooked Donald! Lock him up! Lock him up!

      • Sibiriak
        January 9, 2017, 12:56 pm

        [Sibiriak]: Alperovitch and his CrowdStrike firm work for the Atlantic Council which is ideologically committed to a neoliberal, “demoracy promotion”, anti-Putin stance–and he is the source of the critical technical “evidence” ( weak as it is) implicating Putin in the DNC hacking

        Annie Robbins: wow sibiriak

        —————————
        A bit more info I dug up.

        Crowdstrike’s Primary Funders are Warburg Pincus, Accel Partners, and Capital G (formerly Google Capital)

        Warburg Pincus – $100M

        https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/warburg-pincus#/entity
        http://www.warburgpincus.com/investments/crowdstrike/

        Timothy Geithner is President of Warburg Pincus
        http://www.warburgpincus.com/people/timothy-f-geithner/

        Geithner served in both the Bill Clinton and Barrack Obama administrations and is politically close to Hillary Clinton.

        ——————————

        Accel Partners –$56M
        https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/crowdstrike#/entity

        Accel, formerly known as Accel Partners, is an American venture capital firm. Accel funds companies from inception through the growth stage. […]Accel has funded more than 300 companies, including Facebook,[5] Slack,[6] Dropbox,[7] Atlassian,[8] Flipkart,[9] Supercell,[10] Spotify,[11] Etsy,[12] Braintree/Venmo,[13] Vox Media,[14] Lynda.com,[15] Qualtrics,[16] DJI,[17] Cloudera,[18] Jet.com[19] and GoFundMe.[20]

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accel_Partners

        Accel’s investments are have been closely tied the military-industrial-complex, funding military hardware, NSA surveillance and espionage technology, etc. and to the global extension of high-tech global capitalism.

        Accel has been involved with the Clinton Foundation.
        https://www.clintonfoundation.org/clinton-global-initiative/commitments/connecting-donors-and-volunteers-effective-projects

        Chelsea Clinton joined the board of directors of IAC/InterActiveCorp. She is also working with the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative. The IAC has also named Sonali De Rycker to its board. She is a partner at venture capital firm Accel Partners in London.

        http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chelsea-clinton-joins-iacs-board-24068

      • Sibiriak
        January 9, 2017, 1:02 pm

        (Cont.)
        Since June 2010, tech millionaire Rob Glaser has been a partner at Accel, Crowdstrike’s major funder.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Glaser

        Glaser has also been very active in pushing the Trump/Putin/anti-Russian talking points.

        Tech entrepreneur Glaser funds media site to probe for ties between Trump, Putin

        (21 Sep 2016 )

        http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/21/tech-entrepreneur-glaser-funds-media-site-to-probe-for-ties-between-trump-putin.html

        An internet entrepreneur is entering the media industry to investigate the nature of presidential candidate Donald Trump’s relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

        Millionaire Rob Glaser on Wednesday announced the launch of PutinTrump.org, a site that aggregates media coverage and does original reporting on Trump’s comments about Russia.

        * * * .

        […]Glaser said that despite not being too well-versed on Russia before the 2016 election, he felt that the reporting on the issue lacked continuity and was more like an ice cream “flavor of the day.” He’s the sole patron of the site, through a political action committee.

        “Every day there’s something outrageous said by Donald Trump,” Glaser said. “What happens after a while is that people get numb to what the big picture is, because all they hear is the cacophony and all they see is the swirl.”

        “If he says great things about me, I’m going to say great things about him,” Trump has said of Putin, adding that he expects to have a “very, very good relationship” with the Russian president, whom Trump views as more of a leader than President Barack Obama.

        The Republican nominee’s campaign has reportedly worked against his party’s call for giving weapons to Ukraine and upping sanctions against Russia. Amid cyberattacks with alleged Russian ties, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats have criticized Trump’s stance on Putin.

        Glaser said Trump’s stance marks a departure from one of the few constants of the past 70 years: the view that the Soviet Union, and now Russia, needed to be contained. Glaser said he thinks Russia does not share American political and institutional values such as free markets, openness and democracy.

        * * * *

        […]”You have this unprecedented alliance between a presidential candidate the leader of Russia and it’s not being talked about as a whole,” Glaser said. “All these different pieces aren’t being put together.” [emphasis added]

        So, a major partner at Accel, a huge investor in Crowdstrike, is ideologically committed to anti-Russian/ anti-Putin policies.

      • Sibiriak
        January 9, 2017, 1:10 pm

        (Cont.)

        CapitalG, formerly Google Capital–$100M

        Google and dozens of other media corporations have donated to the Clinton Foundation.

        http://americanlookout.com/shocker-dozens-of-media-organizations-have-donated-to-the-clinton-foundation/

        Google has allegedly skewed its search engine to obscure negative information about Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation scandal.

        ”Media Orgs Donate to Clinton Foundation Then Downplay Clinton Foundation Scandal”

        http://observer.com/2016/08/media-orgs-donate-to-clinton-foundation-then-downplay-clinton-foundation-scandal/

        To understand why The New York Times, Google, CNN and PBS would censor negative information about Clinton, particularly, stories revolving around the Clinton Foundation scandal, all you have to do is follow the money. All of these companies have donated—in some cases up seven figures—to the Clinton Foundation. Carlos Slim, Chairman & CEO of Telmex, the largest New York Times shareholder, donated between $1 and $5 million. Google donated between $500K and $1 million.

        * * * *

        A deeper look into Google’s ties to Clinton, specifically while she was secretary of state, exposes more reasons why the tech giant has a vested interest in censoring the AP’s bombshell story. Wikileaks exposed that Google teamed up with Clinton’s State Department to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al Assad in 2012.

        In leaked emails between Clinton’s staff and Google executive Jared Cohen—who worked for Clinton at the State Department before joining Google—Cohen details Google’s plan to get involved in the region and to boost Assad defections.

        The exchange proves that the tech company worked in concert with the State Department to topple Assad’s government. Further proving Google’s involvement with US foreign policy, Cohen helped draft the State Department’s 21st Century Statecraft Initiative, which called for using Internet and social media technologies to pursue diplomatic goals.

        Google’s controversial relationship with Clinton has raised enough eyebrows that the Oracle Corporation is using its resources to launch the Google Transparency Project. The mission is to shed sunlight on Google’s relationships with Clinton and President Barack Obama. The GTP has already produced a series of investigative reports on Google including one that reveals that there were 18 former State Department officials that joined Google as executives and five Google officials who acquired senior positions at the State Department. [emphasis added]

        ——–

        Crowdstrike, Google, Accel Partners, Warburg Pincus, the Clinton Foundation, the Atlantic Council, neocon/neolib regime change, Syria, Ukraine etc.– it all fits together.

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 2:05 am

      (Cont.)
      Technique: Repeat key phrases that serve as bases for memes/talking points.

      E.g. the “vendetta” meme. First introduced:

      Putin’s objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a “vendetta” against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to “split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn’t depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore,” the official said.

      Then repeated:

      “He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton , that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump’s views on Russia,” McFaul added

      Is it just coincidence that both the “high level intelligence source” and ex-ambassador McFaul use the same “vendetta” expression? Or perhaps Mc Faul is actually the only source involved here? Or is it a case of coordinated, pre-planned MSM/ political establishment meme insemination?

      Or the meme Putin is a dictatorial strongman with a thin skin :

      Introduced:

      Clinton: Putin ‘a Tough Guy with a Thin Skin

      Repeated as:

      But a currently serving U.S. intelligence official said that there are things Putin is sensitive about, including anything that makes him seem weak.

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 2:10 am

      (Cont.)

      Technique: End with a few comments indicating that the “reporting” is realistic, balanced and based on a wide variety of different sources.

      American officials have concluded that Putin’s network controls some $85 billion worth of assets, officials told NBC News. Neither the CIA nor the Office of the Director of National Intelligence would comment.

      A former CIA official who worked on Russia told NBC News that it’s not clear the U.S. can embarrass Putin, given that many Russians are already familiar with allegations he has grown rich through corruption and has ordered the killings of political adversaries.

      But a currently serving U.S. intelligence official said that there are things Putin is sensitive about, including anything that makes him seem weak.

      The former CIA official said the Obama administration may feel compelled to respond before it leaves office.

      “This whole thing has heated up so much,” he said. “I can very easily see them saying, `We can’t just say wow, this was terrible and there’s nothing we can do.'”

      ——————-

      Finally: Sit back and watch as the propaganda points echo across the transnational elite media network.

      E.g. in the UK’s “liberal” The Guardian we find:

      Vladimir Putin ‘personally involved’ in US hack, report claims

      Russian president made key decisions in operation seen as revenge for past criticisms by Hillary Clinton, says NBC

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/15/vladimir-putin-personally-involved-in-us-hack-report-claims

      So, a story based on nothing more than sheer speculation and manufactured talking points is on its way to endless repetition and becoming almost unchallengeable conventional wisdom.

      • ToivoS
        December 15, 2016, 2:54 pm

        Yes Sibiriak your analysis is quite correct. There is almost nothing in those charges that Putin undermined the US election. The thesis is based on next to no evidence with just a little inference followed up with pure speculation. The remnants of the Hillary campaign are at wits end. Hey, they raised 1.3 billion dollars for the campaign so they have some spare change left plus those thousands of Hillary supporters who were expecting good paying jobs in her admin and are now floundering around in a state of despair seeking new opportunities. That combination is creating the insanity we are witnessing today.

        I do hope that those tens of millions of liberal Democrats who have been swept up in this hysteria come to their senses soon.

      • Sally Parker
        December 15, 2016, 9:55 pm

        Greetings Keith and Sibiriak:
        The possibility of a Democrat/Soros/Bohemian Grove coup is real and scary. A Soros foundation was the third biggest contributor to Hillary’s campaign, and he paid more money through the Clinton Foundation.
        A photograph of Hill and Bill at the concession speech (sorry I don’t have the link) showed both of them wearing purple. Hillary wore a purple shirt and purple accented blazer and Bill wore a purple tie. Finding a purple tie is not easy. This couldn’t have been accidental. The Soros color revolution for America is supposed to be purple.
        General Smedley Butler saved America from a Wall Street coup by reporting to Congress on a plan to assassinate Roosevelt. Do we have enough Smedley Butlers in the gov. to save us this time or has the New World Order gotten to the military too?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 15, 2016, 10:29 pm

        The Soros color revolution for America is supposed to be purple.

        really? i am clearly out of the loop on this one.

      • yonah fredman
        December 15, 2016, 11:57 pm

        I am sure there are americans who feel the electoral college is good for america, but I live in a big city that is reduced in power because of the electoral college and on those selfish grounds and because one man one vote is an idea that I support in principle, I am against the electoral college.
        As such: because the election of 2016 was held under electoral college rules, it is appropriate that the clown scam artist trump take the presidency. But every effort should be made to get rid of this anachronism and any shenanigans regarding the electoral college (may serve only to weaken the details of embodying the electoral vote in humans, but) will serve to weaken the American public’s acquiescence to this antiquated antidemocratic institution.

      • Mooser
        December 16, 2016, 12:21 pm

        “The possibility of a Democrat/Soros/Bohemian Grove coup is real and scary.”

        I guess Soros could buy up the entire Queen catalog, and they can use “Champions” and “We Will Rock You”, too.

      • Sibiriak
        December 18, 2016, 10:05 pm

        ToivoS: There is almost nothing in those charges that Putin undermined the US election. The thesis is based on next to no evidence with just a little inference followed up with pure speculation.
        ————–

        What’s wrong with you ?! Is your brain stem malfunctioning?? Or are you suffering from an extreme patriotism deficit?

        CNN commentator Van Jones said on Sunday that President-elect Donald Trump had a patriotic duty to respond to Russia’s cyber attacks on the United States, which intelligence agencies say was an effort to sway the election in favor of the Republican candidate.

        This is baffling to anybody with a functioning brain stem,” Jones explained to a CNN panel. “We have to be honest about this.”

        According to Jones, Trump’s fondness for President Vladimir Putin is unlike the “warm things” that other presidents have said about Russia to foster diplomacy.

        “Not in the face of an active attack on the country!” he exclaimed. “Cyber war is real war. So you have an active attack on our country and you have the president-elect [who] cannot find in himself to say this is wrong and it needs to stop.”

        Jones noted that Trump has been quick to respond to personal and partisan attacks “but he cannot respond as a patriot to an attack” on American democracy by Russia. [emphasis added]

        http://www.alternet.org/baffling-anybody-functioning-brain-stem-van-jones-rips-trumps-reaction-russia-hack

  5. lysias
    December 14, 2016, 6:55 pm

    Cohen was also on Democracy Now! this morning, and said many of the same things there.

  6. RoHa
    December 14, 2016, 7:17 pm

    “Stephen Cohen calls out liberal media for … slurring Tillerson”

    They slur a lot of words. Clear enunciation is no longer required for media persons, it seems.

  7. Susie Kneedler
    December 14, 2016, 8:08 pm

    Thanks, Phil, for this good news and your great summary.
    Every week, Stephen Cohen counters the “New Cold War” [Neoconservative] propaganda against Russia and for possible war on “The John Batchelor Show” http://johnbatchelorshow.com/.
    The latest: https://audioboom.com/posts/5394030-tales-of-the-new-cold-war-obama-the-democrats-allege-trump-tillerson-have-kremlin-ties-stephen-f-cohen-nyu-princeton-university.
    Some of the past shows: https://audioboom.com/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Tales+of+the+New+Cold+War
    https://audioboom.com/search?q=Stephen+F+Cohen.
    P.S. The comments on the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Memo are also fascinating: https://consortiumnews.com/2016/12/12/us-intel-vets-dispute-russia-hacking-claims/.

  8. Bandolero
    December 14, 2016, 9:32 pm

    The whole “Putin manipulated US elections with information warfare and installed his puppet Trump at the presidency” is one of the most ridiculous claims I ever heard.

    The US does such things routinely since decades, from dozens of colour revolutions to terror, false flag terror and coups up to open warfare. Most of that meddling is accompanied by peddling false information like Milosevich’s horse shoe plan, Saddams WMDs, Libyan viagra or Assad’s sarin, Yanukovich shooting protestors on institutka and this US information warfare cost millions of lifes around the globe. And, of course, the US meddled with billions of GONGO dollars, propaganda and fake news on election fraud in the Russian presidential elections 2012. The US GDP is about ten times the size of Russia’s and the US corparate propaganda machine is almost as much worth as the whole Russian economy.

    And now this little innocent country USA complains that Russia meddled in US elections using methods of information warfare? It’s just ridiculous, and even if Russia did that, Russia would have been just applying some of the nicer US standards for handling foreign affairs. And then, to top it, the corporate mass media even peddle the notion that Trump is a stooge of Putin. So, then, if that was true, Trump would have had installed lot’s of Putin’s agents close to him and in his government to guide him. So, what kind of people does Trump take for his government?

    Trump called people like Mike Flynn, James Mattis, John F. Kelly into his government. Are these Putin’s puppets? To me they look more like US generals. I’ld look here to understand what kind of powerful backing Trump had. Some influential people in the US military – and in the US electorate – seem to like Trump because they hate fighting senseless and bloody wars oversees on behalf of “allies” with special relationships with nothing to win for the US, and Trump all but promised to stop that.

    The reality is that the US elections were a fierce competition between two camps, which had both their national and international supporters and which both worked with peddling false or half true information. And this time the camp in favour of endless foreign meddling and fighting senseless wars oversees on behalf of some so-called allies lost that competition. That’s what really happened.

  9. yourstruly
    December 15, 2016, 4:06 am

    I am as disgusted about democrats joining in on today’s anti-Russia hysteria as I was during the anti-Communist crusades of the WW II era, whereby overwhelmingly democratic Congresses (except for 1946-8, when the Republicans held majorities in both the House & Senate) established and supported the infamous HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) in its witch hunting crusades against Communists and so-called fellow travelers. What we’re seeing now is a defeated democratic presidential candidate who happens to be a war hawk joining forces with like-minded hawks from the two major parties in a last ditch effort to prevent President-elect Donald Trump from pursuing a serious effort at detente with Russia, thereby giving peace a chance.

    Yes, I know, Trump is awful on domestic issues, but on the issue of detente with Russia, how can a leftist not support him?

    • HarryLaw
      December 15, 2016, 8:57 am

      yourstruly, detente with Russia would mean a multi polar world, something the US elites do not want. Hence the military build up in Eastern Europe and the pivot to the South China seas.
      The global order is slowly changing with Chinese economic growth and its partnership with Russia and the BRICS. Trump recognizes these facts and is [hopefully] not going to confront them militarily, rather by concluding ‘deals’, which he claims will be to the US advantage and which, because he is a financial wizard will ‘make America great again’. Certainly he was right on one thing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have been total disasters which according to Linda Bilmes at the Kennedy Law School, Harvard University will have cost [projected costs] the US economy six trillion dollars, $6, 000,000,000,000. Enough Trump said to rebuild the infrastructure of the US twice over.

      • tokyobk
        December 16, 2016, 2:47 am

        Trump is part of the US elite talks like a warmonger (has promised brutality against ISIS), has surrounded himself with enthusiastic warmongers, and in fact promised war. He is clearly at least friends with warmonger and expansionist Putin.

        China has already flown nuclear capable bombers over the South Sea and its not even 1/20 yet in response to his provocative phone call to Taiwan.

        He has rejected Obama’s diplomacy with Iran and we just don;’t know whats next there.

        He has never said and clearly does not believe that war or military are bad, only the wars fought were fought the wrong way (not brutal enough).

        The chances of Trump not starting a war with someone imo are 0%. I hope I am wrong.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 16, 2016, 7:46 pm

        don’t believe all the fake news you read in the msm.

        http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/a24268/china-bombers-south-china-sea-trump/

        China’s Flyover Message to Trump Wasn’t Quite What It Seemed
        Contrary to reports, bombers flown over the South China Sea can’t actually launch nuclear weapons, and that matters.

        The H-6K bomber is China’s copy of the Soviet Tupolev Tu-16 “Badger” nuclear bomber. The Badger, as NATO nicknamed it, first appeared in the 1950s and was designed to fly to distant targets—including the continental United States and NATO countries—and drop nuclear free-fall bombs. It was later modified to target U.S. Navy aircraft carriers with anti-ship cruise missiles.

        China started cranking out copies of the Badger in the late 1950s, but for the most part it relied on them as conventional bombers. According to arms control and Chinese nuclear weapons scholar Jeffrey Lewis, the People’s Liberation Army converted exactly one H-6 to carry nuclear weapons for atmospheric nuclear tests. Furthermore, there are currently no nuclear aerial bombs in the China’s nuclear stockpile. Slow and lumbering, the H-6K is equipped to carry out standoff attacks with DF-10 cruise missiles armed with high explosive warheads.

        more at the link. plus there’s this from a few days ago:

        A few recent headlines of #fakenews:

        China flew nuclear-capable bombers around Taiwan before Trump call with Taiwanese president – Fox News, December 05, 2016
        China Flew Nuclear-Capable Bombers Near Taiwan Before Trump Call – NBCNews, December 6 2016
        China flies nuclear-capable bomber in South China Sea after Trump Taiwan call, US officials say – Fox News, December 09, 2016
        China flies nuclear bomber over South China Sea to ‘send message’ to Donald Trump – Independent, December 11, 2016
        China reportedly responds to Trump’s Taiwan call by flying nuclear-capable bomber – Stars & Stripes, December 12, 2016
        China Flies Nuclear Bomber Above South China Sea In Response To “Ignorant Child” Trump – Zero Hedge, December 12, 2016

        The above is #fakenews because China does not currently deploy any airlaunched nuclear weapons. It is not known or thought to have nuclear bombs. All its estimated 260 nuclear warheads (the U.S. and Russia each have more than 7,000) are presumably for its land and sea based missiles.

        China is believed to work on a short- to medium-range, airlaunched cruise missiles that potentially could be nuclear armed. So far the U.S. Air Force does not believe that any of these are deployed and does not list them as part of a potential enemy force.

        The relevant regular paper for such facts is Chinese nuclear forces, 2016 (pdf) by Hans M. Kristensen and Robert S. Norris published by the Bulletin of Nuclear Scientists:

        [T]he 2016 Pentagon report includes for the first time a discussion of a potential nuclear role for China’s bombers. It says the PLA air force was assigned a “strategic deterrence” mission in 2012, although that could also reflect the introduction of conventional land-attack cruise missiles on the modified H-6K bomber. But the Pentagon report states that Chinese media reports and writings “suggest China might eventually develop a nuclear bomber capability. […]” (US Defense Department 2016, 38).
        [,..]
        We do not believe that China’s bombers currently have an active nuclear mission.

        for supporting embeds go to http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/fakenews-alert-china-flies-nuclear-bomber-in-response-to-trumps-call-.html

      • RoHa
        December 16, 2016, 6:21 am

        “The chances of Trump not starting a war with someone imo are 0%.”

        Well, he is an American.

        But it probably won’t be nuclear war with Russia, and, since Russia and China have strong economic ties, he might hold off from war with China as well. We can hope for that much mercy, at least.

      • Keith
        December 16, 2016, 6:58 pm

        TOKYOBK- “I hope I am wrong.”

        No you don’t. You are but you don’t.

        TOKYOBK- “He is clearly at least friends with… Putin.”

        Since he has never met Putin, how is this possible? Love letters, perhaps? Expansionist Putin? Expansionist NATO, yes. Expansionist Putin, no. And I don’t want to hear any propagandistic BS about how Russia “invaded” the Crimea. The Crimea voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia in response to the US coup in Kiev which installed a bunch of neo-Nazis. For an alleged “scholar” you have a curious aversion to facts.

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 10:41 am

      yourstruly: the infamous HUAC (House Un-American Activities Committee) in its witch hunting crusades against Communists and so-called fellow travelers.
      —————

      Now the witch-hunting crusades will be at least in part against alternative media sites and will be led by the MSM, Google, Facebook et al. under the banner of combating “fake news.”

      Cf. NBC Evening News in Denver Defames Naked Capitalism

      http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/nbc-evening-news-in-denver-defames-naked-capitalism.html

      Counterpunch was dropped from Google News the day after the Post legitimated the propaganda site PropOrNot’s false accusation that Counterpunch was a Putin stooge. Even though Counterpunch sought reinstatement and got itself removed from PropOrNot’s blacklist, Google has refused to reinstate them and has not given any explanation as to why.

      We are now the subject of a direct attack. This segment, which ran on December 13 on “Next with Kyle Clark” which is part of NBC’s Denver’s news affiliate 6PM news show, should convince you otherwise that the threat to independent sites is real and growing:

      See video: “How to spot fake news, and sketchy alley guys” here:

      http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/nbc-evening-news-in-denver-defames-naked-capitalism.html

      Hilariously stupid video– if it wasn’t indicative of such a dangerous trend.

      Yves Smith:

      […] I suggest you read up on the McCarthy era. People who were targeted had their careers ruined. Some committed suicide.

      We have policy impact. We will lose that if these attacks take hold. Site writers will be unable to get jobs that require stringent background checks. We have one former writer who is looking for a job right now and this is a real issue for him.

      And you miss that Facebook has started a crowd-sourced effort to identify “fake news” sites to block. Google is doing the same. If Google were to stop indexing us, it would be as if we didn’t exist. Naked Capitalism would not come up even if you Googled “naked capitalism”. You could find us only if you typed in the URL for the site or a specific article.

  10. Theo
    December 15, 2016, 11:44 am

    The West spent billions to get Ukrania into our camp, according to Ass. Secretary of State Neuman the USA alone spent 5 billion dollars to get that country out of the russian sphere. We sent our military to train their army, (I personally managed ones coming back from Ukraina), and the CIA also has a battalion of agents there.
    Since Putin crossed our plans, took back the Crimea with the naval base Sevastopol and supports the russian nationals living there, he became an all out object of false claims and outright lies by the western politicians and press. Even in Europe if you read newspapers or listen to TV reports, they all repeat the same nonsense unisono, practically word by word. That puts an end to any idea of a free press both in the USA or western Europe.
    It seems certain groups of powerful individuals have decided that the few years of peaceful co-existance with Russia must end, because if you produce weapons you also must have wars, otherwise demand will not keep up with the production, and with wars one can make huge profits.
    Although Trump is not what I wished for a president, his idea of friendly contacts with Russia makes sense to me. The USA tried to conquer the whole globe, either with wars or with bought governments, however just like any other empire we are coming to an end. Let others have influence, a peaceful coexistance is better that the constant wars we wage since 1941! Since WWII we were unable to win a single war, we lost hundreds of thousands young people and billions of dollars for nothing, therefore we need a very rapid change of politic.
    Having succesful businessmen in the government may be beneficials, perhaps they will not take years to make a simple agreement with our opponents, as diplomats usually do. I say, give them a chance, worse than Bush and Obama they cannot do.

  11. W.Jones
    December 15, 2016, 12:13 pm

    The three hot points that he is talking about – Syria, East Ukraine, and what…?
    Crimea? Iran?

    • Sibiriak
      December 15, 2016, 1:15 pm

      The Baltic region, due to the large buildup of NATO forces there and the Russian response (including Kaliningrad).

    • just
      December 15, 2016, 1:16 pm

      From his Democracy Now! interview yesterday:

      “STEPHEN COHEN: I don’t know where to begin. Let me context it, because when we first—when you first had me on, February 2014, I said we were headed for a new Cold War with Russia, and it would be “more dangerous than the last one. That has happened. We now have three Cold War fronts that are fraught with hot war, the possibility of hot war—the Baltic area, Ukraine and Syria—between two nuclear powers. Things are very, very dangerous.”

      https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/14/whats_next_for_us_russia_relations

      A very interesting interview…

  12. James Canning
    December 15, 2016, 1:27 pm

    I tend to think that much of the noise hostile to Russia has rather a lot to do with an effort to increase “defense” spending by the US.

    • tokyobk
      December 16, 2016, 2:30 am

      Except Donald Trump is going to increase defense spending. So, how again..?

  13. tokyobk
    December 15, 2016, 11:20 pm

    Trump’s support of Israel will far, far surpass even Obama’s or what would have been Hillary’s.

    In fact, under very thin guise of non-intervention he will give them room to do whatever they want.

    He, along with his allies in Russia will divert billions.

    He will allow Putin to reshape the ME, starting with Syria, however Putin wants.

    BUT, heres the great part, PC will take a huge blow so FINALLY people will get to say Jews out loud,! FREEDOM! (some others are just happy to say “Mexican” and “Muslim.”) How could Trump possibly be more hostile to Muslims?

    And some of the left will bask in Russian/US relations as if there is some true country wide alliance when its really just the personal and business alignment of a very few oligarchs.

    So, all good.

    Except, no.

    Please, don’t believe me. Just watch with non lying eyes (already people are lying to themselves about Trump though when the evidence is in plain sight).

    • Sibiriak
      December 16, 2016, 5:37 am

      tokyobk: [Trump] will allow Putin to reshape the ME, starting with Syria, however Putin wants.
      ——————

      Nonsense. Russia has no grand plan to reshape the ME, let alone the capacity to do so. And the U.S. is not going to suddenly abandon it’s hegemonic policies.

    • ToivoS
      December 16, 2016, 5:45 am

      What a nonsensical comment. We are not deceived by Trump. Most of his proposed policies are horrible. What we are concerned about is an anti-Russian hysteria that is sweeping America. The only thing where I see Trump doing the right thing is with his suggested policies concerning Russia. If we continue following the incredibly provocative policies carried by Bill Clinton, Bush II and Obama we will very likely end up with a real shooting war with Russia. We are in a very dangerous place right now. I will support Trump if he genuinely begins to work out a peaceful resolution of this danger.

      Don’t let your hatred of Trump blind you to that danger.

    • eljay
      December 16, 2016, 7:19 am

      || tokyobk: Trump’s pick for US ambassador to Israel … ||

      The guy just screams of “neutrality”.

  14. lproyect
    December 16, 2016, 9:20 am

    Love to see the pretzel logic on Palestine and Syria at work here. Cohen is another apologist for Baathist state terror of the sort displayed here from time to time unfortunately. So, as this article reflects, he is for easing tensions with Russia as might be expected from someone who aligns with Putin as well as Assad. Naturally, this would make him a natural ally of those who are trying to legitimize the Trump electoral victory against claims that Russian hacking made it possible. But have you seen who Trump has named ambassador to Israel? David Friedman who would view Philip Weiss as a traitor. These are your contradictions to unravel.

    • Mooser
      December 16, 2016, 3:22 pm

      .” But have you seen who Trump has named ambassador to Israel? David Friedman who would view Philip Weiss as a traitor. These are your contradictions to unravel.”

      Don’t worry, “proyect”!! Discussion (that’s the only way we solve things, you know!) between Friedman and Wiess is proceeding apace, and soon the usual and expected unanimity of Jewish opinion will be restored.

    • Keith
      December 16, 2016, 6:17 pm

      LPROYECT- “…this would make him a natural ally of those who are trying to legitimize the Trump electoral victory against claims that Russian hacking made it possible.”

      In order to plumb the depths of your imperial Marxist logic, let us pretend that the Russians did hack Podesta’s emails rather than a leak. How does that help Trump? I notice that you focus on “hacking” but avoid mentioning emails. Standard propagandistic diversion. I assume you are referring to the Wikileaks email dump, are you not? Opposed to Wikileaks and Julian Assange, are you? Or are you referring to the FBI investigation of Hillary’s mishandling her emails? I can see how this would hurt Clinton, but what does that have to do with a Russian hack? Getting back to the Wikileaks dump, the Democrats immediately tried to shift attention away from the emails themselves and onto a fanciful Russian hack. So what exactly helped Trump? Was it the alleged hack itself? Was it the Wikileaks release of the emails itself? Or was it the content of the emails? Do you have any reliable evidence that the Wikileaks release of all of these emails had more than a minimal effect on the election results? If so, what was in the content of those emails that caused this? Should Wikileaks have sat on this leak (per Julian Assange) until after the election? Forever? Apparently you have high confidence in both the competence and integrity of the CIA? Lproyect, unrepentant imperialist and CIA apologist! We truly live in interesting times!

    • Keith
      December 16, 2016, 6:26 pm

      LPROYECT- “David Friedman who would view Philip Weiss as a traitor.”

      And a lot of other American Jews as well. Good heavens, is there a method to Trump’s madness? Combine this with his bromance with Netanyahu whom American Jewish liberals love to hate. Trump hasn’t even taken office yet and already he has driven a wedge between Israel and Its American Jewish supporters. Interesting times, indeed!

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