The formal end of the two-state solution

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On December 23, 2016 the United Nations Security Council passed Resolution 2334 reaffirming the world’s judgment that Israel should return land taken in the June 1967 war, subject only to mutually agreed upon adjustments. It reflects a continued international commitment to a two-state solution for the Israel/Palestinian conflict. The resolution called the ongoing Israeli settlement project a flagrant violation of international law.

But it seems clear now, after 50 years of Israeli occupation and settlement of the West Bank, that Israel will never voluntarily help to create a Palestinian state. Israel’s vehement response to Resolution 2334 speaks volumes that the time when Israel may have been willing to “exchange land for peace” has long passed. It seems equally clear that international law is impotent to bring about a two-state-solution, and that the international community lacks resolve.

At least that’s the judgment of Benjamin Netanyahu and his government.

Israel’s reaction to Resolution 2334 was apoplectic.

Ahead of the vote, Prime Minister Netanyahu warned New Zealand that its support of the resolution was “a declaration of war,” and after the vote, Israel withdrew its ambassador to New Zealand and barred New Zealand’s ambassador to Israel. Netanyahu told his ministers on Sunday to stay away “from those countries that voted against us.” Israel’s ambassador to the U.S., Ron Dermer called the Obama administration a “runaway train” for failing to veto this reaffirmation of international law principles. Netanyahu lectured John Kerry: “friends don’t take friends to the Security Council.”

On Monday, Netanyahu doubled down, saying “Israel is a proud country. . . . We don’t turn the other cheek. . . . . The nations of the world respect strong countries that stand up for themselves. They do not respect weak and obsequious countries that bow their heads.”  He called the U.S. abstention “a disgrace.” “They betrayed us,” he said.

Netanyahu canceled a meeting with British Prime Minister Theresa May and a visit to Israel by the Ukrainian prime minister. Meanwhile, Israel’s defense minister, Avigdor Lieberman, called an upcoming peace conference in Paris “a modern version of the Dreyfus trial.”  Lieberman also ordered Israeli officials to cut all civil and diplomatic contacts with the Palestinian Authority.

Education minister Naftali Bennett compared support for the resolution with “planes hitting buildings and trucks killing people in Berlin.”

It all adds up to Netanyahu and his government poking a finger in the eye of world opinion. The Israeli right that is in control of Israel doesn’t care what the world thinks. They will not “exchange land for peace,” they will not help create a Palestinian state, they will not stop settlements, they will not end the occupation.

“This is just another instance of the UN ganging up on Israel,” lamented Ron Dermer. But the reality is other: Israel’s vehement response to Resolution 2334 amounts to a big rejection of the Palestinians and the international community.

Here is a closer look at Resolution 2334:

The Security Council,

Reaffirming its relevant resolutions . . . Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force, . . .

Condemning all measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem . . . .

Expressing grave concern that continuing Israeli settlement activities are dangerously imperilling the viability of the two-State solution based on the 1967 lines, . . .

Recalling also the obligation . . .  for the Palestinian Authority Security Forces to maintain effective operations aimed at confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantling terrorist capabilities, including the confiscation of illegal weapons,

Condemning all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction,

Reiterating its vision of a region where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders . . .

1. Reaffirms that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, . . . constitutes a flagrant violation under international law . . .

2. Reiterates its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory. . .

3. Underlines that it will not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties through negotiations;

4. Stresses that the cessation of all Israeli settlement activities is essential for salvaging the two-State solution . . .;

5. Calls upon all States . . .  to distinguish, in their relevant dealings, between the territory of the State of Israel and the territories occupied since 1967;

6. Calls for immediate steps to prevent all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation and destruction, calls for accountability in this regard, and . . . for the strengthening of ongoing efforts to combat terrorism, including through existing security coordination, and to clearly condemn all acts of terrorism;

7. Calls upon both parties to act on the basis of international law, . . .  to observe calm and restraint, and to refrain from provocative actions, incitement and inflammatory rhetoric, with the aim, inter alia, of de-escalating the situation on the ground, rebuilding trust and confidence, demonstrating through policies and actions a genuine commitment to the two-State solution, and creating the conditions necessary for promoting peace;

8. Calls upon all parties to . . .  launch credible negotiations on all final status issues in the Middle East peace process . . . ;

9. Urges . . . the intensification and acceleration of international and regional diplomatic efforts and support aimed at achieving, without delay a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions . . . and an end to the Israeli occupation that began in 1967; and underscores in this regard the importance of the ongoing efforts to advance the Arab Peace Initiative, the initiative of France for the convening of an international peace conference, the recent efforts of the Quartet, as well as the efforts of Egypt and the Russian Federation;

10. Confirms its determination to support the parties throughout the negotiations and in the implementation of an agreement;

11. Reaffirms its determination to examine practical ways and means to secure the full implementation of its relevant resolutions; . . . .

What’s to dislike here, unless you reject the very concept of a two-state-solution?

The status quo is leading toward one state, or perpetual occupation,” said John Kerry in his speech this morning.

But we are past “leading toward.” The moment has arrived. For the next four years Israel, it appears, will have enthusiastic support from the American administration for its one state reality and occupation. Incoming president Donald Trump has nominated an ambassador to Israel who raises funds for West Bank settlements, who refers to the West Bank by its biblical names Judea and Samaria, who was bar mitzvahed at the Western Wall, who has spent his summers at an apartment in Jerusalem since 2002, who rejects a two-state-solution for the West Bank and Gaza, and who has described Jewish supporters of a two-state solution, as “far worse than kapos—Jews who turned in their fellow Jews in the Nazi death camps.” Under Trump’s leadership, commitment to a two-state solution was removed from the Republican platform. See, e.g WSJ.

Perpetual occupation is the official policy of Israel and, in 23 days, the official policy of the United States. Resolution 2334 marks the formal end point of the two-state solution.

This post first appeared on Roland Nikles’s site today.

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  1. amigo
    December 28, 2016, 8:10 pm

    “For the next four years Israel, it appears, will have enthusiastic support from the American administration for its one state reality and occupation.”

    Trump will go down in history as the US President who played pied piper and led the zionists to their doom.

    Is Trumps obeisance to zionists demands intentional .Does he not know that aiding and abetting the inevitable outcome of a 1SS will end in the death of the zionist dream.Is that how he intends to solve the P/I conflict.

    Works for me.

    • ritzl
      December 29, 2016, 12:56 am

      +10

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      December 29, 2016, 1:14 am

      I sure wish I shared your optimism. I don’t think most people on the Left have a clue how deep seated the worship of Israel is across America, mostly among Christians. We have a huge problem that will prevent any progress: this pervasive belief that Israel is our dear friend and super ally. I am not religious but have considered giving to Christian preachers who debunk the heresy of Christian Zionism. I could look past some of their theology for the time being. Why are these brave people not getting more attention here? If Christian America, including the quickly growing Latino community, learned the truth, things would dramatically change.

      We must find ways to dismantle this myth that Israel is our friend. If we don’t, nothing will change. I want all those who are over 48 to think about the fact that Israel’s occupation has lasted longer than we have been alive!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you want to die without seeing a change for the better?

      I urge everyone to brainstorm ways to reach the masses so that this special relationship undergoes a hard divorce. How do we convince the masses that Israel is not in the right? Show how it has not be an ally!!!!!!!!!

      • Maghlawatan
        December 29, 2016, 10:08 am

        The pillars of US support for Zionism are evangelicals, ultra rich sociopathic Jews and Jews over 50. Each will have to be isolated so the fortress collapses.

      • MHughes976
        December 29, 2016, 3:11 pm

        I too think that all this optimism is groundless. The agenda will be set by Trump. The rest of the world is not ready to make sacrifices to stop him.

      • amigo
        December 29, 2016, 4:05 pm

        My point is not based on optimism but on the belief that Trump is going to give Israel what it wants.Israel will then keep stealing land and building illegal squats in it,s goal of creating “The Greater Israel).That will lead to a bi national state which will lead to the Palestinians demanding equal rights and that will be far easier when the world has had it,s eyes open to what Israel is really about.

        No optimism needed when forecasting Israel,s actions.Zionist ideology is constant and unchanging.

      • rosross
        December 29, 2016, 9:28 pm

        @MHughes976,

        I think you overestimate the importance of American Presidents and US power in any real sense.

      • rosross
        December 29, 2016, 10:50 pm

        The only way to change American opinion conclusively is to end Israeli/Zionist/Jewish domination of politicians, politics, Government and media and you cannot do that without putting the focus on American Jews, at which point the hysteria would be cataclysmic and it would serve the Zionist agenda which wants 6 million American Jews to be forced to head for Occupied Palestine, so it has an excuse to kill or drive out 6 million Palestinians.

        In truth the process can only be slow and sites like Mondoweiss are an important part of it. I have followed this issue for the past 15 years and I have seen a steady decline in support for Israel and a growing number of informed Americans speaking out, including many American Jews and they are the key to changing Jewish meddling in government, politics and media.

        The more American Jewry and Judaism in general rejects Zionist Israel, the faster we can bring this atrocity to an end.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 30, 2016, 12:57 am

        RosRoss

        Educating US Jews about the reality of Israel is key. Israel is getting worse. It has less and less in common with life in the Diaspora.

      • chinese box
        December 30, 2016, 11:49 am

        Atlanta,

        I’ve always thought the support was a mile wide and an inch thick.

        They support Israel because…someone else told them they should support Israel.

        I think if something drastic happened that couldn’t be concealed by the MSM, we would all be surprised at how quickly it evaporates.

        Whether that something will happen is another question.

    • rosross
      December 29, 2016, 8:57 pm

      Yes, I agree. The level of stupidity of the Israelis, although delusion will do that, is impressive.

      With two States impossible, as they always have been really, the only outcome can be a democracy where indigenous share as equal citizens with the colonisers.

      If Israelis are insane enough to think they can get away with apartheid and continued occupation they are in for a very rude shock. And all self-inflicted.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 30, 2016, 1:01 am

        Israelis assume things will work out . Israeli culture values winging things and hoping for the best. The flips ide is sloppiness and denial of responsibility. The settlement project was ultra ideological and then taken on by the mainstream. Part of the problem is Zionist history. They ignore what happened for 1900 years so they have no insight into project failure.

      • rosross
        January 1, 2017, 12:08 am

        Having spent time in Palestine/Israel and worked with and for Israelis, I have some insight into their culture. High levels of denial and delusion and increasing rage at the fact that more people call them out as occupiers, colonisers and apartheid State.

        Israelis are incapable of coherent thinking and objective reasoning and nothing will change until change is forced on them. And once they get over being hysterical they will get on with things, as most human beings tend to do.

  2. Kay24
    December 28, 2016, 8:23 pm

    No one is asking Netanyahu and his right wing government to “turn their cheek”, simply adhere to international laws and change your ways – it has been decades and your occupation and land grabs are not working, and it is making things much worse.

    Obama has been overly generous with Israel, and this is an ugly display of ungratefulness zionist style, they take and take, and then keep biting the hand that fed them most. They have no shame.

    • RobertB
      December 29, 2016, 11:20 am

      And no one from the US administration or from our spineless Congress people dares to mention anything about cutting the broke American taxpayer’s aid $$$ or withhold it. It only keeps increasing for apartheid Israel….. at the expense of the American taxpayers !!!

      • Kay24
        December 29, 2016, 12:20 pm

        We have never wavered from supporting and aiding an occupying nation that consistently breaks international laws, and kills thousands of civilians when deliberately targeting civilian structures.

        I prefer our tax dollars going towards reducing tuition costs for our kids, or feeding the hungry kids in our nation.

      • Cazador
        December 29, 2016, 11:32 pm

        And I would bet that from the taxpayers’ free US $$$$$$$$$$$$$ aid to Israel at the tune of 3 billion a year increased to 4 billion a year millions come back to the USA to buy US politicians to support the everlasting genocidal, apartheid cause of Zionist Israelis, no matter what harm it does and/or will do to the peaceful, humanist Jews in Israel and in the diaspora.

      • echinococcus
        December 30, 2016, 3:17 am

        no matter what harm it does and/or will do to the peaceful, humanist Jews in Israel and in the diaspora.

        Which, I am sure, is the most significant, vocal, powerful, billion-strong portion of world public opinion.

        The Yahoo must strongly rue the day he decided to disregard it.

  3. JWalters
    December 28, 2016, 8:24 pm

    “Prime Minister Netanyahu warned New Zealand that its support of the resolution was ‘a declaration of war’

    This is Israel’s logical red line on going to war. There is a newly open international awareness that Israel is speaking and acting completely in bad faith. This leaves blunt defiance as Israel’s only way to continue its current course.

    Illogically, since Israel was financed by war profiteers (e.g. War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror), the money men behind the scenes may be fine with another big war, regardless of who gets hurt. To them, the perpetually provocative character of Israel may be one of its intended features.

  4. RoHa
    December 28, 2016, 8:37 pm

    ‘Ahead of the vote, Prime Minister Netanyahu warned New Zealand that its support of the resolution was “a declaration of war,”’

    Expect dangerous cyber attacks on New Zealand.

    • Citizen
      December 29, 2016, 6:17 am

      New Zealand is considered the fourth most peaceful country in the world according to the 2016 Global Peace Index. Unlike Israel, its troops have fought with US troops in Korea, Afghanistan & in Gulf War. Its troops have also been involved in many peace-keeping activities around the globe.

      • RoHa
        December 29, 2016, 8:34 am

        Vietnam, too.

      • DaBakr
        December 30, 2016, 12:11 am

        @cz

        new zealand is the epitome of a cononial settler project. they sailed into maori land, killed many off and stole it to and set up their “4th most peaceful country” while handing out bones and culturally meaningless bullshit recognition for the defeated peoples island nation. they are the height of hypocrisy and bullshit.

      • Kay24
        December 30, 2016, 10:16 am

        From the Bakers response, I think he is mad at New Zealand for initiating that UN resolution.
        If NZ by some chance had not initiated, or voted against, the resolution, the Baker would be singing it’s praises, and applauding it.

        Compared to Israel and the never ending wars with neighbors, and being in the occupation business, New Zealand is a nice peaceful place.

      • Penfold
        December 31, 2016, 3:59 am

        I think people are reading far too much into Nutty’s words, he is clearly shooting his mouth off as a display of strength to his supporters meanwhile here in New Zealand we find it amusing but on the whole we give more air time to the road toll.

        I suspect our indifference is driven by several factors:
        1. Most people here have no idea who he is and we are used to tirades by middle eastern dictators.
        2. New Zealand has never been overly fond of Israel ever since we started catching them stealing identities.
        3. We understand logistics and the benefits of being miles from anywhere.

        My guess is that he is simply trying to deflect attention from his own issues and has no problem coming across like a petulant school boy in the process.

        It will be interesting to see what Trump does but given most people see him as an irrational lunatic I doubt too many are worried about him either.

        In short I doubt anyone in New Zealand is losing sleep over this but it has provided hours of mirth in an otherwise run of the mill xmas holiday.

      • RoHa
        December 31, 2016, 8:39 pm

        Penfold, I’m pretty sure you’d be able to cope with an Israeli invasion force. But Israel was able to cause damage to Iran by hitting the country with the Stuxnet virus.

        (Stuxnet also screwed up the Fukushima plant, which is why the Pacific glows in the dark and the fish now have three eyes.)

    • jon s
      December 29, 2016, 8:10 am

      Cyber attacks?
      I wouldn’t be surprised if the Golani Brigade is on way to NZ.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2016, 4:10 pm

        “I wouldn’t be surprised if the Golani Brigade is on way to NZ.”

        Hey, what’s another war crime? And if any of the brigade regret their action, you can prosecute them!

      • K Renner
        January 2, 2017, 4:18 pm

        What, to shell residential neighbourhoods in Auckland? Or to beat up and molest pre-teens there?

    • rosross
      December 29, 2016, 9:35 pm

      I so admire the Kiwis as opposed to our craven, lackey Australian Government.

    • Cazador
      December 29, 2016, 11:44 pm

      New Zealand is the fith country of the Five Eyes: USA, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Does that mean that Nutayahu is going to launch a war against NZ and expect no reply, diplomatic or otherwise, from the four other friend countries? Is Nutayahu’s Israel ready to upset the US and friends enough to bring the challenge sufficiently high to loose those yearly 4 billion, and/or loose some of that friendly support from those Five Eyes for a while, if not for good. Nutayahu has already threatened Europe of the Sampson Option if Israel were to be attacked and risked of being destroyed while Europe would not be going to help Israel. I think Nutayahu has to go and rest in a special room, under surveillance…

      • echinococcus
        December 30, 2016, 2:31 am

        Cazador,

        Don’t overestimate the English-speaking Puritan countries’ claims to being independent from USrael. The Yahoo can get NZ excommunicated by the other “5I” with a simple stare-and-scowl. Like when their passport was used for murder and they had to like it, too.

    • K Renner
      January 2, 2017, 3:12 pm

      Basically this. The typical Zionist temper tantrum will give way to cyber attacks and other methods of “retaliation”–as if cutting aid (to countries like Senegal) and throwing bitch fits wasn’t bad enough.

    • Penfold
      January 2, 2017, 6:31 pm

      What would justify the stance by our government at the UN more than an Israeli cyber attack?

      At this point, I would rate New Zealand as generally sympathetic to the Palestinian plight but we still have a large percentage of the population (Generally older folk) who buy into the “Islam = Terrorism view and these same people are trapped into a post WW2 mindset, the one thing that would change that rapidly would be an idiotic reaction from the Israeli government.

      • Maghlawatan
        January 3, 2017, 3:49 am

        Old farts all over the OECD think of Exodus when they think of Israel but young people are
        not going to be the same.

        https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/david-cronin/we-must-challenge-israeli-mindset-says-rugby-star-turned-blockade-buster
        “It was very interesting to notice the attitude of the Israelis towards us. They couldn’t comprehend why were doing this. What we were doing challenges their mindset and that is why it is such an effective tactic. They treat the Palestinians as if they are subhuman. They don’t think Palestinians deserve to live in a normal society, to be able to import and export and fish and farm. It’s great to be able to meet that mindset head on.”

      • Penfold
        January 3, 2017, 4:34 am

        It is a very hard mindset to break but it only has 20-30 years left, I think once the current generation starts to assume power Israel will have a great deal of trouble controlling the narrative.

        Fortunately, Israeli actions are ultimately alienating and as such self-defeating, however, it may be far too late to be of any benefit to the Palestinians in terms of a state.

  5. eljay
    December 28, 2016, 11:00 pm

    Bibi is kookoo.

    • K Renner
      January 2, 2017, 4:37 pm

      The best way to think of it is Christoph Waltz saying “kookoo” in Spectre.

  6. talknic
    December 28, 2016, 11:45 pm

    @ RoHa December 28, 2016, 8:37 pm

    “Expect dangerous cyber attacks on New Zealand”

    Other nations will be coerced into not dealing with NZ

    • straightline
      January 2, 2017, 8:19 pm

      New Zealand’s top exports are milk products and demand is growing. Top importing countries are China/HK, UAE, Algeria. I expect pressure from Zionist-occupied Australia. Hopefully our friends across the Tasman will resist.

  7. Sibiriak
    December 29, 2016, 12:24 am

    one state reality and occupation.”
    ———————

    A contradiction in terms. Occupation implies two states, one occupying, the other occupied. A single state cannot “occupy” part of itself.

    Palestine is a de jure state, occupied by Israel–> “Occupied Palestinian Territory.”

    In any case, Gaza and Israel are not a “one state reality.” Gaza is a separate Palestinian polity under Israeli blockade.

    ——————–
    Perpetual occupation is the official policy of Israel

    Indeed. One state perpetually occupying another. The peace process is dead, but the two state idea lives on–until the Palestinians renounce statehood and their right to self-determination on their territory.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 29, 2016, 10:02 am

      Gaza is not a separate polity.

      • Sibiriak
        December 29, 2016, 11:14 am

        Gaza is certainly a separate polity from Israel .

        Israel and Gaza do not form a single state, neither de jure or de facto.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 29, 2016, 12:05 pm

        Gaza is occupied BY Israel

      • Maghlawatan
        December 29, 2016, 12:55 pm

        Gaza and the West Bank come as a package. Both sre currently occupied and form part of Eretz Israel hashlemah

      • Sibiriak
        December 29, 2016, 6:30 pm

        Maghlawatan: Gaza is occupied BY Israel
        —————-

        Yes. My point.

        It is occupied by Israel. It is not a part of Israel.

        http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/israels_obligations

  8. Ossinev
    December 29, 2016, 6:19 am

    “Ahead of the vote, Prime Minister Netanyahu warned New Zealand that its support of the resolution was “a declaration of war,”

    Perhaps he plans to deploy the Elite IDF rugby squad to take on the Maoris. No wait a minute they might need a little bit of training first as they are only used to grappling with defenceless 4 stone 12 year old boys at thee a.m.

    • John O
      December 29, 2016, 8:57 am

      Bring it on:

      • RoHa
        December 30, 2016, 12:24 am

        And if that isn’t enough to chill your blood, watch a haka by the NZ Army.

    • Cazador
      December 29, 2016, 11:50 pm

      TOUCHÉ!!! Thanks for the reminder of the little boys, imprisoned, threatened, hurt, tortured, if need be, without any form of assistance/protection from adults, lawyers, the Israeli law…

  9. Jasonius Maximus
    December 29, 2016, 11:11 am

    Kerry and Obama have played a masterful hand of cards in a pinch! Nobody denies that they were overconfidently and honestly expecting a Hillary Clinton win and thus more time on the clock to deal with the Israel question. But what they’ve managed to do in lieu of a last minute Trump reality is quite outstanding!

    They know that the Two State Solution is all but dead, but aren’t quite allowed to show that much lack of optimism, so they have simply debunked all the myths and drawn all the dots together but the last one, and left it for the rest of America and the World to figure out what the picture is. Heck! Kerry all but used the word Apartheid to describe not just greater Israel, but Green Line Israel too! With a disenfranchised population of 1/5th non-Jewish citizens in Israel proper and effectively two unequal people’s already living in one state, it’s hard to imagine that when Kerry says “…Israel can either be Jewish or Democratic, it can’t be both…”, he isn’t also taking a swipe at an (al beit more subtle) Apartheid reality on the ground in Israel proper.

    Obama and Kerry have cunningly handed the reigns of the wagon a quarter of a mile from the cliff to Trump, double dared him to try and jump the chasm and then smacked the horses on the rear end. Trump, as only Trump is want to do, will predictabley and gulibily take up that challenge and ride that wagon into the canyon out of shear spite. Trump’s legacy will officially and forever now be tied to the end of the Two State solution, while Obama and Kerry casually wash their hands in the nearby brook.

    Obama and Kerry have also handed the rest of the free world and the BDS cause a huge parting gift. The rest of the world, as it has already been shown, will now have far greater freedom to unilaterally take action against the Israeli occupation and the illegal Settlements as they see fit, with an effectively diminished or openly aggressive Trump driving US policy that openly violates Intl. Law. Already, the highly predictable and over-the-top backlash from Israel in cancelling meetings with the British P.M. and recalling their ambassadors from nearly all UNSC member countries, declaring diplomatic “war”, on New Zealand and cutting ties and funding to member states, has also effectively turned Israel into a self inflicted isolated pariah state, without BDS or countries critical of Israel needing to lift a finger or get their hands dirty. All it took was one shamefully benign and all but pointless UN Resolution denouncing something that has already been denounced decades ago, and Israel did for these countries what they’ve been itching to do for decades!

    Obama may have spent 95 of his 96 month term folding and falling victim to Israel’s many high stakes ploys and bluffs, but he and Kerry have played a brilliant hand of cards and will probably get to leave the table, maybe not rich, but certainly not short on chips like Trump or naked in the corner for the whole world to see like Emperor Bibi!

    I’d even go so far as to say that they have earned a slow clap, but with the Paris summit in a couple weeks, something tells me they’re not quite finished with the table…

    • chinese box
      December 29, 2016, 11:39 am

      The danger is that Labour or one of those other “peace” parties could get into power in Israel. And then the peace process could be rebooted yet again, providing renewed cover for settlements.

      Dennis Ross recently wrote an oped in one of the major papers saying that Trump could surprise everyone as a great mideast peacemaker, so I think Ross is trying to worm his way into the new administration.

      • amigo
        December 29, 2016, 5:11 pm

        “And then the peace process could be rebooted yet again, providing renewed cover for settlements ” chinese box.

        I doubt that the Palestinians are going to agree to any resurrection of the so called peace process unless there is a verifiable halt to the illegal settlement expansion.Res 2334 calls for a report every three months on settlement activity but given Israel,s snake like ability to circumvent any promises they make , that will not suffice.Israel will continue to claim expansion is facilitating “natural growth ” or it is inside the existing settlements .We have all seen the zionists at work.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 29, 2016, 12:14 pm

      Israel isn’t even Jewish. It’s paranoid. It’s where Jewish kids are brainwashed. It’s where torture is legal. Israel is a dystopia. Most American Jews would refuse to live there.
      Historians will probably conclude that the decision to integrate the undemocratic Mizrahi and Russian Jews was what ultimately killed the dream. Ya salaam

  10. yonah fredman
    December 29, 2016, 11:37 am

    The obama-kerry farewell speech was inevitable given the circumstance of the incoming president trump. If a smooth hand-off to clinton had instead been the end of this transition period there would not have been this noisy send off. Trump will begin a new era, which I personally revolt against sensing from his manner and speeches and temperament that he will offend me and coarsen the world I live in. But he has made clear that all that has come before will not bind his hands as he faces the future, and therefore obama and kerry as custodians of the past were freed to say what was on their mind. Probably regarding israel palestine the trump presidency will be a hiccup, and thus as soon as a democrat returns to office the kerry statement will be the template upon which that future president will (with some stretching and tugging) base his/her policy. Although the Clinton parameters of December 2000 were never referred to by obama.

    Obama would have loved to work with an ehud olmert or an ehud barak, opportunities which his two predecessors had. Even sharon was far more pliable and certainly calmer than bibi.

    The one state solution (minus gaza) which is the logical consequence of the status quo is far from ideal, and “let the cards fall where they may” is hardly hard minded logical thought, but denying the reality of politics as given plus the facts on the ground requires something beyond un resolutions to give it reality. That is: the UN plus the kerry speech do not seem to bring the peace of two states any closer, and therefore though it seems irresponsible ( since I am not prime minister nor in the knesset where my opinion would be different for I would be a potential doer rather than just an observer) I favor annexing the west bank and in a timely fashion giving all its inhabitants full citizenship.

    • Annie Robbins
      December 29, 2016, 1:25 pm

      why in a timely fashion? what about giving them full citizenship automatically as a condition of annexation?

      • yonah fredman
        December 29, 2016, 2:08 pm

        I knew the “timely fashion” would attract comment. I knew you would object. Caroline glick, not my favorite, advocates annexation and investigating each prospective new citizen for terrorist roots and requiring an oath of loyalty, although I’m not sure of her details. A timely fashion could be six months or a year. I am hedging, allowing myself a little wiggle room when the actual negotiations take place.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 29, 2016, 2:38 pm

        Oath of loyalty to a Jewish minority? Why?

      • John O
        December 29, 2016, 2:41 pm

        @yf

        “… investigating each prospective new citizen for terrorist roots …”

        Good to see you want to investigate every Jew immigrating under the “right of return” as a potential terrorist.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2016, 6:42 pm

        “Oath of loyalty to a Jewish minority? Why?”

        Oh look, we know “Yonah” simply will not conceive of an end to Zionism, (except in the form of a holocaust, of course.) He cannot conceive of anything other than Zionist control of Palestine.
        His conception of the two-state and one-state solution is the same, everything stays like it is and the US keeps supporting Israel.

        Hey “Yonah”, if returning Palestinians must be investigated for “terrorist roots” will Israeli citizens be investigated (by an impartial agency) for crimes they may have committed toward Palestinians? Almost all of which could be easily handled with fines and/or incarceration.

      • rosross
        December 29, 2016, 10:03 pm

        @ yonah,

        An oath of loyalty to a murderous occupier and coloniser? Really? How do you think it would have gone down if the Germans had succeeded in occupying the UK and had then demanded an oath of loyalty.

        I think Israeli/Zionist delusion has morphed into pure insanity.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 29, 2016, 11:45 pm

        A timely fashion could be six months or a year. I am hedging, allowing myself a little wiggle room when the actual negotiations take place.

        so, you’re hedging and allowing wiggle room for full citizenship but not for annexation? if it’s only 6 months to a year why not just wait to annex until full citizenship is granted? what logical reason would there be to put the cart before the horse — unless they have plans to annex and then kick out even more people and then offer some figleaf of full citizenship to only a few. israel is not to be trusted. give us your land now and then maybe in 6months to a year we will grant some people citizenship, sounds very fishy to me yonah.

        I favor annexing the west bank

        how predictable of you.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2016, 12:09 am

        I wonder if “Yonah” has any ideas about what to do with the literally thousands of Jews which have already proven themselves willing to repeatedly commit crimes against Palestinians?
        Anything need to be done with them in a “timely fashion”?

      • yonah fredman
        December 30, 2016, 12:38 am

        Listen people, last I heard there are three paths here: 1. 2 state solution, 2. One state solution and 3. Status quo. The refrain I hear here is that the 2 state solution is dead and the essence of mw is opposition to the status quo, which leaves one state solution. Apparently you’re imagining some armed forces other than IDF controlling Ben Gurion airport, (obviously renamed) and also controlling the country’s other points of entry as well. Or you’re imagining a UN revoking Israel’s membership and here is your list of demands. Well give me a brief scenario or something to imagine this new reality you are waiting for. I gave a glimpse of the way a Zionist sees the evolution towards one state. First the west bank. Only later gaza. And then even later refugees. That’s just stating plain sense.

        You imagine having a loaded gun pointing at zionism’s forehead and the demilitarization of israel and the coerced dissolution of zionism.

        Meanwhile the Palestinian split “government” hamas and fatah consider themselves as the sole owners of gaza and the west bank, so my suggestion (which is only an attempt to flesh out the support Phil Weiss heard from the dude at the reform temple last week for the idea of annex and give citizenship and let history sort out the result.) is more in the realm of a thought experiment than a proposal that stands a chance at this time.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2016, 12:10 pm

        “Listen people, last I heard…”

        Poppa’s gonna buy you a mockingbird? And if that mocking bird don’t sing…

        “You imagine having a loaded gun pointing at zionism’s forehead and the demilitarization of israel and the coerced dissolution of zionism.”

        Try not to look at it that way. Think of it as taking a loaded gun away from a person intent on murder-suicide.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 30, 2016, 1:14 pm

        Try not to look at it that way. Think of it as taking a loaded gun away from a person intent on murder-suicide.

        oh heavens no, yonah sets up strawmen and beats them back with vigor. catch a little snag of yarn and start pulling the argument apart and he snaps “I knew the “[fill in blank]” would attract comment. I knew you would object.” eljay says it best:

        The 2SS may not be dead yet, but thanks to your fellow Zionists it’s lying on the ground bleeding out and waiting to be summarily executed

        meanwhile caroline glick, whom he claims is ‘not his favorite’, advocates an annexation plan just like his! that would accommodate his time plan: “investigating each prospective new citizen for terrorist roots and requiring an oath of loyalty, although I’m not sure of her details. A timely fashion could be six months or a year”

        he’s such an accommodating liberal zionist. 2ss or annexation and maybe some token citizenships thrown in for good measure — whatever! he’s such a reasonable ethnic cleanser! genocide is such a messy word.

      • just
        December 30, 2016, 1:34 pm

        Thanks Annie and Mooser. Here are some more truths:

        “JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Diana Buttu, I’d like to ask you, Mahmoud Abbas has said that he’s willing to resume negotiations if the settlements stop, but you have said that Israel is not really interested in peace. Can you explain that?

        DIANA BUTTU: Look, what Israel wants is it wants to have the farce of having a diplomatic process and bilateral negotiations, because what that does is it gives Israel a lot of support from the international community. We saw that during the period of Oslo, that Israel got more money coming into its coffers as a result of the negotiations, that it was allowed to establish more diplomatic ties. In fact, 34 countries established diplomatic ties as a result of Oslo. It ended up signing a peace agreement with Jordan that wouldn’t have been possible had it not been for the diplomatic process. And so, for Israel, negotiations pay.

        But at the same time, what Israel was allowed to do during the negotiations process was continue to build and expand its settlements. And we saw that the number of settlers ended up doubling just in the few short years that the negotiations were taking place. Within a seven-year period, the number of settlers went up to 400,000. Even now, we see that the number has more than tripled. So what Israel wants is it wants to have this farce of a bilateral process, but it doesn’t at all want to pay the price of peace. It doesn’t want to end its settlements. It doesn’t want to end the occupation. All that it wants is for the international community to reward it for entering into dialogue and discussion with the Palestinians, all the while continuing to steal more Palestinian land.”

        https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12/30/gideon_levy_diana_buttu_on_israeli

        She also speaks of the “ethnic cleansing of Palestine”

        And from Gideon Levy:

        “GIDEON LEVY: Unfortunately, the only way to change things in Israeli policy will be only by pressure from the outside. I have very little hope that change will come from within the Israeli society, which is extremely brainwashed and nationalistic and religious and right-wing and even racist, more and more, day after day. I think the only hope is from international intervention and, above all, international pressure. It is about time that Israel will be punished for the crimes of the occupation. It is about time that Israelis will pay for the occupation that they all share responsibility for. We are all settlers. All of us Israelis carry responsibility for this occupation project, and all of us should be taken to pay, to be punished, to feel it, because the occupation is even not in the Israeli discourse. The occupation is not on the table. It’s not on the agenda. Nobody cares about the occupation. So, my only hope—and it’s a very limited hope—that gradually, gradually, the world will react, like it did react with South Africa. And hopefully it will be effective. And that’s right now the only optimistic scenario that I can draw.”

      • Annie Robbins
        December 30, 2016, 1:56 pm

        thanks just, i’m going to send this interview to a friend i was talking to last night trying to bring himself up to speed on palestine/israel after the kerry speech. in my state of mind (flu) i could hardly figure out where to begin. he said he was reading some 6 part series from vox. i was like, err, not sure if they’re the most reliable source. and he said “they are just presenting all the facts”, and i told him lots of people have their own facts and i went to vox’s site “Everything you need to know about Israel-Palestine” http://www.vox.com/cards/israel-palestine/intro and the first thing i read in the introduction was:

        Israel is the world’s only Jewish state, located just east of the Mediterranean Sea. Palestinians, the Arab population that hails from the land Israel now controls, refer to the territory as Palestine, and want to establish a state by that name on all or part of the same land. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is over who gets what land and how it’s controlled.

        so i explained to him that “palestine” was not merely how palestinians referred to the land and in fact, it was how jews/zionist referred to the land when they set out to establish a state in palestine. anyway, frustrating. they say things like “The 1967 war… left Israel in control of the West Bank and Gaza Strip” as if someone threw a deck of cards up in the air and when they landed israel just happened to be left in charge.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2016, 2:31 pm

        “— whatever! he’s such a reasonable ethnic cleanser! genocide is such a messy word.”

        “Annie” when a person lives in a self-contained and self-sufficient group of 2 billion people which has always ruled and won all its wars, and never been hurt, well, you get a little insular, and tend not to care about other people.
        I apologize for him, the consciousness of power will do that to people.

    • amigo
      December 29, 2016, 4:57 pm

      ” Probably regarding israel palestine the trump presidency will be a hiccup, and thus as soon as a democrat returns to office the kerry statement will be the template upon which that future president will (with some stretching and tugging) base his/her policy ” YF

      And in the meantime , the illegal squats will continue to be built at an accelerated pace .At a rough guess , there will be another 100,000 to ????? plus squatters to evict.

      That is the template that he or she will have to work with.

      Nice try.

      ” I favor annexing the west bank and in a timely fashion giving all its inhabitants full citizenship.” YF

      Did you plan on asking the “annexees” if they want to be annexed without their Brothers and sisters in Gaza , or just repeat the earlier zionist versions of illegal annexation.

      • rosross
        December 29, 2016, 10:00 pm

        Zionist/Israeli arrogance and delusion is indeed impressive.

    • Sibiriak
      December 29, 2016, 6:52 pm

      yonah: The one state solution (minus gaza)
      —————

      There can be no one state solution minus gaza.

      The result would be neither a single state nor a solution.

      Also consider:

      Gaza’s population will more than double in about 30 years, signaling even more serious economic problems ahead for Palestinians in the small enclave if the conflict with Israel is not resolved, a U.N. official said on Tuesday.

      Andres Thomsen, of the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA), told Reuters “it will be very hard to imagine that you can create the right conditions for (economic) growth that can accommodate this dramatic population increase”, without easing Israel’s Gaza blockade.

      He was commenting on a new UNFPA report examining demographic changes and opportunities for development in the Gaza Strip and Israeli-occupied West Bank.

      The report forecast an increase in Gaza’s population of 2 million to 4.8 million in 2050, outpacing that of the West Bank, where the number of people is predicted to rise from the current 2.9 million to 4.7 million.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-population-idUSKBN1491QJ

      • rosross
        December 29, 2016, 9:59 pm

        @Sibiriak,

        I know it is incredibly inconvenient but guess what, the Gaza prison is on Palestinian land and is a part of Palestine and even more shocking, the prisoners in it are Palestinians, mostly descended from those driven from their homes and farms in 47/48 by Zionists who handed it all over to European colonists.

        In the one State solution all Palestinians will be citizens, including the prisoners in Gaza.

      • Mooser
        December 29, 2016, 11:42 pm

        “Yonah” is willing to conceive of, consider, or regard as possible any one-state or two-state solution which doesn’t change anything, and doesn’t involve inconvenience to a single illegal settlement. And leaves Zionist Israel in charge. Oh, and no accounting, only amnesty. Any solution which meets those conditions, “Yonah” will consider.

      • echinococcus
        December 30, 2016, 1:19 am

        In the one State solution all Palestinians will be citizens, including the prisoners in Gaza.

        As well as their jailers and other genocidaires, who won’t be inconvenienced, and the lion will lie with the lamb, whose chops will be delighted to jump ready-cooked in your mouth, and there will be a very memorable Kumbaya singing by Kantor Tucker.

      • echinococcus
        December 30, 2016, 1:22 am

        “Yonah” is willing to conceive of, consider, or regard as possible any one-state or two-state solution which doesn’t change anything, and doesn’t involve inconvenience to a single illegal settlement. And leaves Zionist Israel in charge. Oh, and no accounting, only amnesty. Any solution which meets those conditions, “Yonah” will consider.

        What? For free? Consider without an appropriate consideration? What about compensating the Zionist visionaries for their selfless investment?

      • eljay
        December 30, 2016, 9:03 am

        || Mooser: “Yonah” is willing to conceive of, consider, or regard as possible any one-state or two-state solution which doesn’t change anything, and doesn’t involve inconvenience to a single illegal settlement. And leaves Zionist Israel in charge. Oh, and no accounting, only amnesty. … ||

        This sounds similar to the Zionist “peace” jon s advocates.

    • rosross
      December 29, 2016, 9:57 pm

      @yonah fredman,

      It is yet more delusion to think the Gaza concentration camp is not a part of Occupied Palestine. The one State solution will mean that all of Palestine becomes one country and no doubt the people of this new democratic State will vote for a name, either Palestine, Israel or something else entirely and the State will include all Palestinians, including those imprisoned in Gaza.

      And the world in general falls about laughing at the use of things like ‘timely fashion’ for human rights!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a century? Joke. The one state solution will give immediate equal rights to all Palestinians and the bigoted Jewish fantasy of remaining in control, will have to be put aside, as it was in apartheid South Africa for the ruling group.

      Time for Israel to become a democracy and join the real world. More to the point, join the civilized world which might be a novelty for many Israelis but will be appreciated by the sensible ones and all palestinians.

      p.s. there is no West Bank, there is only Occupied Palestine.

    • Sibiriak
      December 29, 2016, 11:21 pm

      yonah: I favor annexing the west bank and in a timely fashion giving all its inhabitants full citizenship.
      ———————————–

      The annexation will be declared illegal and condemned by the international community. The impetus for punitive action will increase dramatically.

      And most likely:

      1) The Palestinians will not accept it; they will not accept the denial of their right to self-determination; they will not accept the division between WB and Gaza; they will not accept citizenship under those terms; they will revolt.

      2) Israel will have to declare some form of martial law. It will be the same belligerent occupation, de jure and de facto.

      • yonah fredman
        December 30, 2016, 12:43 am

        Sibiriak, you are a firm supporter of the 2 state solution, so your objections I accept, but those who are all gung ho on one state, how is that going to evolve. How is the un going to undo Israel’s membership? What armed forces will control the lod airport?

      • echinococcus
        December 30, 2016, 1:53 am

        The annexation will be declared illegal and condemned by the international community. The impetus for punitive action will increase dramatically.

        As dramatically as it was increased by any of the hundreds of acts of invasion, piracy, genocide, war and embezzlement over a hundred plus years?

        1) The Palestinians will not accept it; they will not accept the denial of their right to self-determination; they will not accept the division between WB and Gaza; they will not accept citizenship under those terms; they will revolt.

        They did, remember? “They” accepted all that and had dessert on it, too. A couple Norwegian puppets and a couple dollars can be found again as long as a major example isn’t made of the Zionist puppets.

      • amigo
        December 30, 2016, 10:19 am

        “Sibiriak, you are a firm supporter of the 2 state solution, so your objections I accept, but those who are all gung ho on one state, how is that going to evolve. ” YF

        The people who are gung ho on one state are the majority of Zionist Jews who are being led like lambs to the slaughter by their leaders.That is how the 1ss is coming about.We are not gung ho but are simply pointing out facts which you seem to be impervious to.Did you even read one line of Kerry,s speech, ???.

        As to the IDF controlling Lod airport , i believe the most moral army in the world will be dismantled and replaced by a somewhat more answerable to the government , ( which is answerable to all the citizens ) of the day, military force .

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2016, 11:39 am

        “echin” , you are not supposed to take that thing about “if 2 billion Jews…” seriously. It’s a joke about how Zionists fantasize Israel is solid and implacable and growing in power and resources.

      • yonah fredman
        December 30, 2016, 12:01 pm

        I have not changed my statement of purpose which is for a two state solution. But this is not the only place where i encounter people who are very involved in the israel palestine issue. and in those other encounters there are many advocates of the settlement enterprise and to them I always question their willingness to annex and offer citizenship. In pure honesty I offer you the same idea that I offer them. Frankly if one reads news of “death of two states” day in and day out, then one begins to believe it. And then I am forced to evaluate the one state destination. I appreciate that people here dream about disbanding the Zionist army. I do not and it is in the context of agreement with the original act of declaring a state and building a Jewish army that my opinions are formed. The borders needed for that state and the condition of constant war are questions that arise and rankle. There were paths towards peace in the time of sharrett that i wax nostalgic about. but time is one directional.

      • Mooser
        December 30, 2016, 12:53 pm

        “There were paths towards peace in the time of sharrett that i wax nostalgic about. but time is one directional”

        So it’s on the the Masadaddammerung? Naturally, time, like God, is on our side, huh “Yonah”.

      • eljay
        December 30, 2016, 12:57 pm

        || yonah fredman: I have not changed my statement of purpose which is for a two state solution. … I appreciate that people here dream about disbanding the Zionist army. I do not and it is in the context of agreement with the original act of declaring a state and building a Jewish army that my opinions are formed. … ||

        I still think a 2SS solution is the way to go but, unlike you, my 2SS:
        – doesn’t involve at least one supremacist state and Zionist “peace”; but
        – does involve justice, accountability and equality.

        || … Frankly if one reads news of “death of two states” day in and day out, then one begins to believe it. … ||

        The 2SS may not be dead yet, but thanks to your fellow Zionists it’s lying on the ground bleeding out and waiting to be summarily executed (something Zionists are good at doing).

      • Annie Robbins
        December 30, 2016, 1:35 pm

        I accept, but those who are all gung ho on one state, how is that going to evolve. How is the un going to undo Israel’s membership? What armed forces will control the lod airport?

        thus far you’ve referenced peoples “dream” of disbanding the “zionist army” as well as a “jewish army”.

        so here’s a little thought experiment for you yonah. notice how the US didn’t have to “disband” the US military to include women and gay people? and since the idf is not formally called the zionist army or the jewish army they might not even have to change their name. or they could call themselves the regional defense forces. but if your idea pans out, the annexation and full citizenship, they’re be about 1/2&1/2 population. the military could reflect that. conceptually, it’s not as complicated as you make it out to be — except for the conceptually challenged.

      • RoHa
        December 30, 2016, 6:52 pm

        “The military could reflect that ”

        Annie, since we have been going on about NZ, I will point out that even a casual glance at the NZ military reveals a lot of Maori and mixed Maori/white faces.

        And I have heard rumours that there are black people in the US military!

        So maybe guarding Ben Gurion airport isn’t such a big problem after all.

      • yonah fredman
        December 30, 2016, 9:44 pm

        If things work well, the army will reflect the population, and the American army circa 1953 will be the goal, integrated and representing all sectors of society. (2016 American army with its all volunteer population ends up with over representation of blacks and hispanics, because poverty/need is the primary motivator for volunteering.) The precedent set by druse participation in the idf, is the ideal paradigm once a real peace is achieved. But this ideal should not blind us to the difficulty involved. Currently Arab Israeli participation in the IDF is minimal and a transition from the current situation to an ideal situation will not result overnight or by mere good wishes.

        The US military is not fighting any immediate neighbors of a different ethnic grouping and so the idealized us military ( except for its regrettable volunteer basis which makes the country less democratic) is not sufficient proof that the imagined Israeli, but nonzionist army, can work.

        The army is an essential element of zionism and an essential rite of passage for the youth of israel. There is a major war (major bloodletting) just north of israel in syria, and the war against isis ain’t that distant either. The US military fighting across the ocean against forces whose populations are not highly represented in the US military is an entirely different dynamic and the example is useful only for scoring points in a debate, rather than an attempt to reckon accurately the challenge that will be involved in turning the imagined one state into an egalitarian democracy.

      • RoHa
        December 30, 2016, 10:00 pm

        “There is a major war (major bloodletting) just north of israel in syria, and the war against isis ain’t that distant either. ”

        It is the same war.

        “The army is an essential element of zionism and an essential rite of passage for the youth of israel.”

        That will have to stop. And it can be stopped.

        “The US military fighting across the ocean against forces whose populations are not highly represented in the US military is an entirely different dynamic”

        I seem to recall that the US Army fought passably well against Germans and Italians in spite of having large numbers of soldiers of German and Italian ancestry. Shared ethnicity, and even religion, is seldom a hindrance to making war. The current war in Syria and Iraq shows that.

      • Mooser
        December 31, 2016, 11:47 am

        “The army is an essential element of zionism and an essential rite of passage for the youth of israel “

        My God, think of it! 2 billion Jews, all 18-36 yrs old, all prime fighting material. We could take over the world.

      • Mooser
        December 31, 2016, 8:01 pm

        “so the idealized us military ( except for its regrettable volunteer basis which makes the country less democratic)”

        Listen, I hear the cry of the American chicken-soup hawk!
        They wouldn’t let you join the volunteer US Army, “Yonah” so you are wishing you had been drafted, instead? If you think it is a democratic obligation to serve in the military, why didn’t you join? You are such a phona, “Yonah” You won’t come near military service, but it’s “more democratic” to draft somebody else.

        “Yonah” when there is a draft, the decision on who gets drafted, who gets a deferment or exemption, is made by local “Selective Service Boards”, with little oversight. It’s not “democratic at all.

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      December 30, 2016, 12:02 am

      Yonah, have you heard of two state condominialism? I would love to get your perspective on it. I think it could be the most realistic just settlement. https://openborders.info/blog/tag/two-state-condominialism/

    • Talkback
      December 30, 2016, 6:52 am

      Yonah Fredman: “… I favor annexing the west bank and in a timely fashion giving all its inhabitants full citizenship. … investigating each prospective new citizen for terrorist roots …”

      It’s understandable that you favor the war crime of annexation and wouldn’t favor investigating any present citizen for war crime roots (after the annexation). I guess that you even consider acts of resistance against an occupying force as “terrorism”. Is there anything else you favor from a policy that was declared a war crime after 1945, Yonah?

      • Mooser
        December 31, 2016, 7:49 pm

        “It’s understandable that you favor the war crime of annexation and wouldn’t favor investigating any present citizen for war crime roots”

        “Yonah” should keep in mind that the vast majority of war crimes cases and civil complaints against Israelis could be settled with jail time or fines. Nobody will get hung.
        And even the possibility of a legal accounting will help solve the problem by removing a lot of the suspects.

  11. biggerjake
    December 29, 2016, 11:53 am

    Netanyahu is right.

    This is war. It is Israel against the rest of the world…and Israel is using overt and covert modern weapons and the rest of the world has been limited to words and demonstrations.

    One byproduct of reading Mondoweiss every day has been the realization that it is high time to ratchet up the resistance to the Israeli occupation of Palestine. It is time to start thinking in terms of real weapons and real soldiers and using the military if necessary to break the blockade of Gaza.

    • Mooser
      December 29, 2016, 11:45 pm

      “This is war. It is Israel against the rest of the world…”

      Finally, an foeman worthy of our steel! If all of 2 billion Jews support Israel, they will give the world a hell of a fight!

    • echinococcus
      December 30, 2016, 1:11 am

      This is war. It is Israel against the rest of the world…

      The rest of the world doesn’t exactly leave the bastards alone in attacking us. What with all the colonial and imperialist powers, or all the “non-Zionist” liberals who continue to pretend it’s not a war but a US-style high-school debate in an exclusive club.

      Real sanctions cannot start before the utter destruction of the Oslo puppetry.

  12. Maghlawatan
    December 29, 2016, 12:09 pm

    Jews think history is over. They think Israel is forever. They think the Palestine question is settled.
    And none of these apply. They could have been happy in 1964. But human nature being what it is….

  13. GoliathandDavid
    December 29, 2016, 12:20 pm

    My elder son has just visited the Kafka museum in Prague , and it strikes me how surreal Israel’s stance today is , as expressed by Netanyahu’s apparent rant at the New Zealand P.M.
    We have a brazen example of chutzpah here, based, one supposes, on the pseudo-religious faith of Zionism.
    Netanyahu is very much in the line of Begin and Shamir, of course, whose two-fingers to the world are best symbolised by the assassination of Bernadotte, all those years ago, but never to be forgotten.

    Decent Jewish people ought not to pretend that Judaism and Zionism are identical , and I recall a somewhat similar distinction made by Gambetta when he castigated not Catholicism but “clericalism” as the enemy of the republic. It should be (would be, if official Jewish spokesmen allowed it) quite possible to condemn Zionism in its theory and ,above all, its practice while respecting Judaism.
    As Alan Hart has explained, Zionism is the enemy of Jewish people everywhere.
    It has encouraged the sham “two-state solution” for decades and has fomented wars and justifies incessant murders of Palestinians,in the name of Greater Israel.

    Jews who are not resident in Israel , and in particular those living in the US -and New Zealand!-must decide if their primary loyalty is to their home country or to the Jewish State.
    Trump is an unknown quantity, probably a damp squib, but the situation where Zionists can exercise such malign influence in the world, especially in their cruelty to Palestinians , cannot persist forever.

  14. rolf
    December 29, 2016, 1:31 pm

    Israel needs to shut up.
    1. THREAT
    Netanyahu’s threat to countries as “a declaration of war” & exiling ambassadors + insulting its sole ally U.S. abstention as “a disgrace – they betrayed us”…it is all EXTREME reactions not of civilized but apoplectic / berkserk / war-mongering rogue state.
    “Lunatic State” as confirmed by Norman Finkelstein 2012
    http://youtu.be/Yt3d3Fmouh4
    as israel IS an apartheid-genocide state.

    israel’s lunatic war against humanity:
    Israel’s extremely disproportionate War on Gaza 

    + its extreme Media Strategy to hide it 
in 2008 “Operation Cast Lead” 

    as well 2014 “Operation Protective Edge”
    + FIRMS with stakes in Gaza Oil: 

    Noble Energy, TX
    
Delek Drilling 

    Avner Oil Exploration

    Ratio Oil Exploration
    etc.
    …see video report 
by Christopher Greene of AMTV 2014-07-17

    http://youtu.be/KEHClI8nsvY?list=PL916FB07D3A753A37

    2. Self-Righteous
    Netanyahu’s israel judging world as “betrayer” is ludicrous:
    a. ISRAEL is the oppressor!
    b. 200 UN countries against israel’s settlement racism can NOT be all wrong!
    (lest israel IS God, Chosen!? But that’s Tyranny not “the sole Democracy in the M.E.”!)

    3. HOLIER than Thou
    israel is formally ending the 2-state solution but since israel did ethnically cleanse Palestine, whether it had a border or not, no the other way around, or steal most of the Palestinian land, and israelis never had the “Right to Sovereignty” over the right of Palestinian Sovereignty, unless you consider a holy hocus pocus Godly-Chosen People’s rights a just Entitlement as opposed to supremacist racism.

    Israeli Zionists are brainwashing the world to think there has never been a non-Jewish state there!! see this logic on film by prof. Dennis Prager 2014-05:
    https://youtu.be/ZWE70ZwGVT8
    He portrays Israel as perfect/angelic! “There has never been a non-Jewish state there?!
    Just 3 Jewish states in history:
    1st Kingdom (1000-580 BC)
    2nd K (538-63BC)
    Israel (1948-now)
    Why can’t the one Jewish state be allowed to exist”
    He irresponsibly hides atrocities/intentions etc. of the Zionist Jews who replace God…

    not to mention, he bases all his “facts” on biblical events that have never been proven archeologically/scientifically/biologically!
    seeIsraeli Prof. Shlomo Sand book 2012-11 “The Invention of the Land of Israel: From Holy Land to Homeland” http://goo.gl/fxV96B

    Amnon Neumann (israeli 1948 soldier)
    on land buy lie ▶ http://youtu.be/p8IjnRsRPCQ?list=PL916FB07D3A753A37

    4. BETRAYAL
    Netan’s “U.S. betrayed us”?!
    a. is it not israel that has betrayed the world, usa, Palestine, humanity, peace?!
    b. is it not israel that has betrayed world peace by being the world’s biggest record holder by far on UN Resolution Violations & Crimes of Wars?! (War Crimes/Ethnic Cleansing/Apartheid/Segregation Roads/Genocide etc) 100% Exemption of all crimes [..] whether due to infantile fantasy of Chosen People or historic guilt that actually spits on all “Never Again” suffrage through sheer hypocrisy.
    c. Professor Yair Auron (prof of Holocaust & genocide studies at the Open University of Israel):
    “We BETRAYED the legacy of the Holocaust
    when we’re committing acts like this.
    To SELL WEAPONS to Serbia or to Rwanda DURING the GENOCIDE is similar to selling weapons to Nazi Germany during the Second World War. No country has the right to do it and ESPECIALLY NOT ISRAEL.” Mondoweiss 2016-12-13: https://goo.gl/wT9VNd
    d. Israel is the master PhD manipulator of public perception.
    They do not seek peace but deflect responsibility.
    Israel hid nuclear program from usa since 1960, declassified docs prove 2015-04-16 Politico mag https://goo.gl/4MsIih
    e. Netanyahu’s diplomatic Coup d’état 2015-03-03 (alongside Hillary + Boehner) as Netanyahu takes over US Congress without Pres. Obama’s consent!
    https://youtu.be/NMol4KdcyJ0

    5. israeli Education minister Naftali Bennett compares resolution to Nazi Germany bombing of civilians yet Palestine never owned army or airplanes or tanks or any heavy weaponry, so point is invalid.

    6. RACIST
    Hanan Ashrawi (Palestinian legislator/activist/scholar)
    “We are the ONLY PEOPLE on Earth asked to GUARANTEE the SECURITY of our OCCUPIER!
    While Israel is the ONLY COUNTRY that calls for DEFENSE from its VICTIMS!”
    – if “resistance” in WWII was noble, yet Palestinian resistance is terroristic, you are an oppressor!

    Hanan’s calls out Netanyahu’s exploitation (2015-11-13 Paris isis attacks) of tragedy at scoring “world should condemn attacks against Israel”
    “His statements are not only FRAUDULENT and politically COERCIVE, they are symptomatic of political and moral BANKRUPTCY.”

    the truth is Palestine never ethnically cleansed israelis or zionists. it is the other way round!
    israeli historian Ilan Pappe calls out israel’s “incremental Genocide”
    https://youtu.be/qUDh-jTa3Go
    http://goo.gl/lCGif

    Gideon Levy (Israeli journalist!)
    on Occupied http://goo.gl/UtAP
    on Not Chosen http://goo.gl/MXP2ee
    on Evil http://goo.gl/V7cW46

    Finkelstein
    on “Holocaust Industry” http://goo.gl/v8J91A
    on crocodile tears ▶ https://youtu.be/HZBZX4ZxP
    on Beyond Chutzpah – the Misuse of Anti-Semitism http://goo.gl/Ic8P3s
    on Myths about GAZA ROCKETS & TUNNELS 2014-08-12 https://youtu.be/u5RtTsz0SFo
    on dismantling Zionism’s logic incl. Wolf Blitzer ▶ http://youtu.be/Y3Ul5fhKwzk

    d. Natali Cohen Vaxberg (jewish israeli performance artist)
    on Holocaust abuse ▶ https://youtu.be/flfUvPyLVZI

    Max Blumenthal
    on Goliath http://goo.gl/wwk9v8

    Rich Forer (spiritually AWAKENED AIPAC mbr)
    on fundamentals of suffering https://goo.gl/ZZtZkM

    David Gordis (awakened leading American Zionist!)
    admits “In every important way Israel has failed” http://goo.gl/m10zKd

    “Breaking the Silence”
    IDF defectors of conscience ▶ http://youtu.be/37MFa7ZKQWo

    Shministim ▶ http://youtu.be/acPE9qdPwYI

    JVP “Israel/Palestine 101”
    http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/content/israeli-palestinian-conflict-101

    Arch. Desmond Tutu:
    “In situations of oppression, neutrality means taking the side of the oppressor.”

    7. TRUTH
    Robert S. Lynd (b. 1892; Am sociologist, prof Columbia univ, NY…wrote groundbreaking Am. sociological classic 1929 “Middletown”)
    “It is EASIER to BELIEVE a LIE one has heard a 100x than a TRUTH one has NEVER HEARD before!!”

    Shame on Zionism since it “bastardizes/dilutes/commercializes/politicizes/hijacks Judaism” as 10,000 rabbis pronounce yearly in ny
    http://youtu.be/nMQ9C6vni0w and “no Israeli right” http://youtu.be/zysCuqVmOBs, as Zionism/Talmud spit on the pure Judaism of the Torah, which states “to save 1 life, is to save the Universe” and israeli zionism has not been democratic/noble/chosen and has no extra “Rights of Return” or “Rights to Sovereignty”, is itself its own worse enemy or the ultimate anti-semite, and has been anti-Never Again, anti-humanity, pro-racism all along. To block BDS resistance to Oppression is the evil. Simply marketing a defense on the cheap spirituality of anti-israelism or anti-zionism is pathetic hubris & deception, that prolongs jewish & worldwide suffering – and for longer than nazism.

    • RoHa
      December 29, 2016, 6:15 pm

      “There has never been a non-Jewish state there?”

      The Kingdom of Jerusalem wasn’t Jewish.

      Most of the time the area has been part of a non-Jewish state, which means that the state was there, just as the Swedish State is in Blekinge.

  15. Ossinev
    December 30, 2016, 5:25 am

    I shouldn`t worry too much Dershowitz is at hand and is again offer his towering intellect to rescue the situation:
    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Dershowitz-Kerry-speech-will-make-peace-with-the-Palestinians-much-harder-476951

    Great see that he has finally given up making oral pronouncements and is now exclusively addressing his audiences through his rear end.

    I think in particular he may have required extra toilet paper after he ejected this one:
    “To the contrary, settlement expansion is the consequence of Palestinian of the Palestinian refusal to accept repeated offers from Israeli governments to end the occupation and settlements in exchange for peace”

  16. Ossinev
    December 30, 2016, 6:12 am

    Meanwhile back in the dear old UK that classic ZioBrit the crazy Melanie Phillips continues to demonstrate that her one and only loyalty is to her beloved Israel:
    http://melaniephillips.com/open-letter-theresa-may/

    Please please please Ms Phillips do us all a big favour – why don`t you just simply p.ss off to your beloved Land of Creation and set up home in one of those nice little settlement condos you so admire in the non occupied West Bank. There you can relax and chew the fat with your fellow ZioNuts and wail and whine about eternal victimhood until your heart is content. Yes you will have to forego your nice little earner from the Times Newspaper and you will become just another crazy amongst a host of crazies who even you will soon realize are seriously and I mean seriously crazy but you will be in the heart of your beloved Zion and this warm and comforting thought will I am sure make it all worth while.

    • amigo
      December 30, 2016, 10:09 am

      0ssinev.

      “The essence of the strategy to delegitimise and destroy Israel is the attempt to airbrush the Jewish people out of their own history in the land – a history which gives them and them alone the right to live there. ” Melanie (bigot )Phillips

      That extract from her racist screed pretty much sums up Miss Phillips.

      I am sure glad she resides on your side of the pond and share your desire to have her move to her beloved home for Jews only .Apologies to anyone who might have to suffer her presence.

  17. Ossinev
    December 30, 2016, 1:33 pm

    Amigo
    You may not have seen this. It is Melanie in full paranoia mode with even the mildly barmy Boris Johnson finding her in need of urgent therapy.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dZKEMNEHQ8

    So if I understand her correctly , and I am no psychiatrist , apart from wanting to destroy Melanie`s country ,Israel , Iran wants to generally nuke the West to bring on some sort of “Shia Apocolypse”. Apparently its the talk in the streets in Teheran.

  18. chinese box
    December 31, 2016, 12:41 pm

    This just appear on Wapo’s oped page:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-two-state-solution-is-best-for-everyone/2016/12/31/20ec9648-cecb-11e6-a87f-b917067331bb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-e%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.343afc9b0b87#comments

    Leaving aside whether the 2ss is still possible , this article is Orwellian with it’s “shared values” mantra and other mindless tripe.

    Who needs fake news when you have pieces like this in the “papers of record”?

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