‘NYT’ bias amazes: long article about online incitement in Israel/Palestine only blames Palestinians

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I expected more from Peter Baker. The new New York Times Jerusalem correspondent today published an article about online incitement, headlined, “Facebook Struggles to Put Out Online Fires in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict,” and it’s so one-sided the only word for it is awful.

Baker starts by quoting Palestinians urging on the recent wildfires in Haifa:

On his Facebook page, [businessman Anas] Abudaabes wrote that “we should call our thugs to do what is necessary,” noting that “dry grass is faster to burn.” Arabs should pray for lightning and strong winds, he wrote. . .

Baker then suggests to readers that he is going to tell us about both Israel and Palestine.

Facebook has become the battleground in a global struggle between free speech and incitement, and in few places is that more pronounced than in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

Peter Baker

Peter Baker

But he baits and switches. The article turns out to be exclusively devoted to Palestinians inciting against Israel, even though there are plenty of examples of vicious online racism that Israelis in settlements and elsewhere direct against Palestinians.

The one-sidedness continues. Baker notes that:

Terrorism is an everyday reality, and the role that Facebook and other social media sites may play in inspiring it generates deep emotion.

Nowhere does he point out that occupation, blockade and repression — and 2 AM house raids, and house demolitions, as Jeremy Ben-Ami described Palestinian life under occupation to a New York synagogue last week — are also an everyday reality.

Baker’s bias is astonishingly revealed when he quotes Ayelet Shaked, Israel’s Justice Minister, who offers what looks to be a nuanced argument:

“I personally really believe in freedom of speech,” Ms. Shaked said in an interview. “But when you’re calling to kill someone or when you’re calling for terrorist attacks, it’s violence. I’m not going to try to remove the words ‘Free Palestine.’ But if they’re showing how to stab Jews, that should be removed.”

This would be a good time to remind New York Times readers that just two years ago, Shaked herself posted an article by an Israeli settler who called Palestinian children “snakes,” online, and Shaked endorsed this vicious characterization:

This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. . . the people who started the war, that whole people, is the enemy. .  . including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure.

And the morality of war knows that it is not possible to refrain from hurting enemy civilians. . . .

Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.

The Times article is long, and I was sure I would eventually run into a few token paragraphs quoting incitement by Israelis. But nothing.

I hoped for better from Peter Baker. I suspect he may be trying to cajole Israeli officials who control his access and can make his job harder. But he should remember that Jodi Rudoren, his predecessor, spent years writing such suckup pieces hoping to get an interview with Benjamin Netanyahu. She never did.

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  1. Maghlawatan
    December 8, 2016, 12:48 pm

    Nobody ever touches the Israeli education system which teaches young Jews to hate Palestinians as part of their identity. Palestinians are contînually presented as backward, primitive, subservient, criminal, deviant , un modern and useless with no positive role models. Jews are dynamic, positive, modern, productive. It is a dreadful mess. The NYT is left defending a system that is worse thanJim Crow.

    The fires were caused by climate change but Israeli identity cannot deal with reality so Palestinians were blamed.
    Israel is even worse now than Arendt imagined.

  2. amigo
    December 8, 2016, 12:49 pm

    Not only does the NYT article not quote articles of incitement by Israelis , it never even suggests that any such events ever happen.Baker perpetuates the myth that Israelis are the victims —always.

    Thanks for the article James.

    • Mayhem
      December 10, 2016, 7:40 am

      Enter “facebook incitement israelis palestinians” into Google and start reading the posts that come up; all about facebook incitement by Palestinians against Israeli Jews. Face the fact that Palestinians specialise in this kind of stuff.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2016, 9:51 am

        Face the fact that Palestinians specialise in this kind of stuff.

        wow, google said that? scary freaky. color me concerned.

      • MHughes976
        December 10, 2016, 11:51 am

        You’ve led me to find out a little about the Palestinian Incitement Index, which the Israeli Government has been publishing for many years, with the latest edition coming in, I think, on Nov. 1 2016. It seems – maybe there are pages I haven’t read – to be mainly a list of incidents rather than incitements, though the assertion that these are ‘natural responses to Israeli crimes’ is mentioned prominently. It seems to be accepted that there is little central organisation behind the incidents concerned, which in fact gives some credence to the idea that these things are not too dependent on incitement. Well, incitement must play some part, but there must be some element of restraint and moderation, which do seem to me in all the circumstances to be genuine Palestinian characteristics, as well.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 2:34 pm

        “Enter “facebook incitement israelis palestinians” into Google and start reading the posts that come up; all about facebook incitement by Palestinians against Israeli Jews. Face the fact that Palestinians specialise in this kind of stuff.” “Mayhem”

        I wonder how many Jewish parents hope their kids grow up to be Zionists just like “Mayhem”?

      • Talkback
        December 12, 2016, 7:25 am

        Mayhem: Face the fact that Palestinians specialise in this kind of stuff.”

        Nope. We face the fact that Israeli Jews are specialised in whining about it, while they are specialised in getting away with the same:

        “Imprisoned for incitement on Facebook? Only if you’re Arab

        Racist and inciting Facebook statuses by Israeli Jews have become commonplace on the Internet. Yet not a single Israeli has ever been sent to prison for publishing a status on social media.”
        http://972mag.com/imprisoned-for-incitement-on-facebook-only-if-youre-arab/108720/

    • Peter Feld
      December 10, 2016, 9:00 am

      Who ever had hopes for Baker? He seems to be well prepped by Rudoren, shares her insular perspective (and marching orders), and he gave this cringeworthy share of her “King David” fanfic/farewell love letter to the settler wine industry as he was getting ready to take over:

      “Call it Jurassic Park winemaking — Israelis try to recreate the wine drunk by King David and Jesus Christ. @rudoren”

      https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/671411010767572992

  3. amigo
    December 8, 2016, 1:40 pm

    Sorry , OT .

    To our shame , today an Irish soccer team , Dundalk is hosting the racist soccer team from Israel,s capital —Tel Aviv maccabi .This is the team that is associated with , “La Familia ” a group with whom Israel,s Justice minister Ayaled Shaked has been seen sitting with as they hold up signs declaring , “Death To Arabs” and chanting the same.

    The Ireland Palestine Solidarity Campaign will hold a ” Cead Mile Failte for these bigots and hopefully it will put them off their game.

    I look forward to a resounding defeat for TA .

    • jon s
      December 8, 2016, 3:21 pm

      amigo,
      You’re mistaken, the racist team associated with La Familia is Beitar Jerusalem, not Maccabi Tel Aviv. (I see that Maccabi won the game with Dundalk).
      As I write, our Hapoel Beer Sheva team is playing in England , vs. Southhampton.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 8, 2016, 3:58 pm

        Hapoel BS got a lovely Scottish welcome earlier in the season
        For the Bedouin

        “Scum of the earth”

        Eventually they will be banned from European football.

      • Mooser
        December 8, 2016, 5:35 pm

        Remember “jon s”; European rules ban the use of metal chairs.

      • jon s
        December 9, 2016, 7:31 am

        Maghlawatan,
        “For the Bedouin”? The Bedouin population in the Negev are part of Hapoel Beer Sheva’s fan base.
        Hapoel BS played Southhampton to a 1:1 tie, which is a fantastic achievement for the team. The away goal enables the team to advance to the next phase of the European League.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 9, 2016, 9:22 am

        Jon

        What is HBS doing to support Bedouin in the Negev who have their homes demolished by the Jewish State ?

        You are either with the Bedouin or with the Army.

        Which is it ?

      • echinococcus
        December 9, 2016, 9:59 am

        John S,

        next phase of the European League.

        European League? What the devil are Oriental hill-dwellers, complete with Bedouins, doing in a European league?

        Hofer, Le Pen & Co’s success is absolutely not surprising if Europe forces its people to accept that much absurdity.

        Zionists are not content to invade Palestine, now they must also invade Europe.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 12:27 pm

        “The Bedouin population in the Negev are part of Hapoel Beer Sheva’s fan base.”

        Or they get the chair!

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 2:38 pm

        Which is it? It’s not hard to guess.

        “Jon s” was born in Medford Conn. which makes Israeli settlements his homeland if he keeps repeating it to children.

      • echinococcus
        December 9, 2016, 3:48 pm

        Mooser,

        Both of these from the same Connecticut person, out of the page you linked:

        “For an individual, homeland usually means the country where you were born, or grew up in. Your native land.
        http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s/?keyword=homeland#sthash.rhTzRNSg.dpuf

        “I’m not “squatting on Palestinian land”… I’m living in my homeland, which is also the Palestinian homeland.”
        http://mondoweiss.net/profile/jon-s/?keyword=homeland#sthash.rhTzRNSg.dpuf

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 4:47 pm

        And if “Jon s” can convince enough Jewish children to ruin, or even lose their lives for him, he’s got it made.
        If not, feh there’s always a flight back to Medford.

        I always wonder what real Israelis think of people like “Jon s”. The people who always keep the downhill door open if aliyah becomes an up-hill struggle.

      • echinococcus
        December 9, 2016, 5:53 pm

        Mooser says

        I always wonder what real Israelis think of people like “Jon s”. The people who always keep the downhill door open if aliyah becomes an up-hill struggle.

        But who isn’t like John S, anyway? I don’t know about downhill doors but I know about at least one, or often two or more citizenship rights, often with the corresponding passports. Plus the US guarantee to take up any refugees.
        As for those who won’t consider using the way out, it’s a whole nother story.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 9, 2016, 5:57 pm

        Mooser

        Guess what Orthodox fundis living in the settlements think of lefties like Jon

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 6:13 pm

        “Guess what Orthodox fundis living in the settlements think of lefties like Jon”

        “Think of lefties like Jon”? What has “Jon s” ever done to them? Those fundis know: “They also serve, who stand and kvetch.”

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 6:29 pm

        “But who isn’t like John S, anyway”

        Exactly. I am against anything which might prevent Israel from shrinking to it’s natural size, nor should anything be allowed to hamper the free egress of Israelis.

      • jon s
        December 10, 2016, 4:35 am

        Maghlawatan
        Hapoel Beer Sheva is a football club not a political party or social action group.
        That said, HBS does have a significant presence in the community, which includes not only the city of Beersheva but also in the surrounding population. The youth teams, for example , train promising young players from all over the Negev (HBS is the only team based in the Negev in the Israeli Premier League).
        The Negev Bedouin who are struggling to keep their homes in Umm El Hiran and elsewhere have my support in various ways. By the way, they are confronted by the Police, not the army.

        echinococush,
        Israeli sports teams have been playing in Europe for decades, not something new. Thanks for researching my comments. I’m quite proud of them.

      • just
        December 10, 2016, 11:12 am

        “By the way, they are confronted by the Police, not the army. ”

        As if there is a difference!

        “Thanks for researching my comments. I’m quite proud of them. ”

        Wow.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 12:48 pm

        “Thanks for researching my comments. I’m quite proud of them.”

        Yes, I remember you bragging that you could lie with impunity, and nobody here would catch you.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 1:17 pm

        “Thanks for researching my comments” “Jon s”

        ROTFLMSJAO! Somebody has to.

        “Jon s” will never lose his faith in sport uniting Zionists and anti-Zionists.

      • jon s
        December 10, 2016, 1:23 pm

        Just,
        I assume that in your country, too, the police and the army are different forces.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2016, 1:32 pm

        pivot — let us know when US police destroy crops and villages. http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=759710

        noted: efforts by pro israel factions (like the ADL etc) exert efforts to train, militarize and israelify american police — the role of israel’s occupation soldiers dovetails with the domestic security forces (police) who colonize bedouin/palestinian land.

        similarities exist as evidenced by the aggressive police forces representing oil companies and the US gov mobilized against water protectors at standing rock.

      • amigo
        December 10, 2016, 2:35 pm

        “I assume that in your country, too, the police and the army are different forces” Jon S

        In normal democracies , while ,separate institutions , the Army and police have a common goal, that of defending the nation they serve and it,s democracy.This where Israel parts ways with normal democracies.

        Your Army and Police serve to oppress the Palestinians while stealing their lands to give illegal settlers such as yourself a plot to squat on.Some police , some army.You must be very proud.

      • Keith
        December 10, 2016, 3:36 pm

        JON S- “I assume that in your country, too, the police and the army are different forces.”

        At one time they were totally separate. Now, however, with the ongoing militarization of the police our police departments resemble an occupying army designed to control the civilian population.

      • echinococcus
        December 10, 2016, 5:28 pm

        “Jon s” will never lose his faith in sport uniting Zionists and anti-Zionists.”

        Stranger things have happened with sport. Back then, it did manage to unite the spectator mob, the lions and the latter’s food, after all.

      • echinococcus
        December 10, 2016, 6:09 pm

        John S,

        I assume that in your country, too…

        Before you start again with that nonsense of your “Homeland” being not the US but some alien planet, you should let us have your duly notarized oath of renunciation of US citizenship. It’s more BS otherwise.

      • jon s
        December 15, 2016, 3:57 pm

        echinococcush,
        Yes, I have dual citizenship, like millions of other people in the world. It’s perfectly legal and I don’t see anything unethical , either. Nor do I see any reason to renounce my US citizenship.

        I wrote “your country” in a response to Just, because I’m not sure which country she’s posting from.

      • Mooser
        December 15, 2016, 6:20 pm

        “Yes, I have dual citizenship, like millions of other people in the world. It’s perfectly legal and I don’t see anything unethical , either”

        Of course, “Jon s” how could anything which gives you an advantage possibly unethical? Isn’t that the first test of ethics, after all?

        And sure, it’s legal. It’s perfectly legal to go to Israel (or in your case an illegal settlement), inflame the situation until it erupts, and then nimbly step on a plane back to Conn. And if you have fun, it’s not unethical either.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 8, 2016, 3:21 pm

      Amigo

      It was played in Shangri La. MTA won 2-1
      But Israeli soccer has pariah status in Ireland and Scotland now .
      And rightly so.

      • amigo
        December 8, 2016, 4:40 pm

        “It was played in Shangri La. MTA won 2-1” Mag.

        +10.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 8, 2016, 10:25 pm

        Amigo

        Do you know about this?

        https://www.facebook.com/gaajerseysforpalestine/

        People are so sick of Israeli impunity
        This is GAA for anyone unfamiliar with it

      • amigo
        December 9, 2016, 6:39 am

        “Do you know about this? ” Maghlawatan

        Thanks for that.I will get my local club to put some jerseys together and find a way to get them to the folks in Derry.

        “This is GAA for anyone unfamiliar with it” Maghlawatan.

        This sport has been in existence for centuries and became an official org in the late 1880,s .It is an amateur game played at a professional level.The players are not paid.This is truly ” the beautiful Game”. Apologies to all supporters of other sports.

        Thanks for the video.

      • broadside
        December 9, 2016, 9:09 am

        Maghlawatan:

        Cannot believe:

        The goals are so big.

        The players’ (especially goalie’s!) equipment so small.

        The pads so nonexistent.

        The injuries not constant.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 12:25 pm

        Wow, that Hurling is some sport. It sure ain’t croquet.

      • broadside
        December 10, 2016, 12:38 pm

        How would you know?

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 1:06 pm

        “How would you know?”

        Dude, I attended Yeshiva on a croquet scholarship. Full ride, and a new car.

  4. oldgeezer
    December 8, 2016, 3:07 pm

    While there may be examples of online incitement by Palestinians it is impossible to not take notice of the constant vile incitement against Palestinians made by Israelis.

    The worst inciters are the leadership of the GoI itself. Foul mouthed racist barbarians not fit to lead a dog pack let alone anything else.

    Baker becomes another propogandist in a long line of them employed by the times and used by Israel. The only good thing is that history will show he abetted evil.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 8, 2016, 10:54 pm

      Israeli incitement is all over the internet

      There was one video during the Gaza war in 2014 of Israeli Jews singing “School’s out in Gaza, there are no children any more”

      http://addictinginfo.org/2014/07/28/israeli-mobs-hunt-palestinians-chanting-schools-out-in-gaza-there-are-no-children-left/

      Younger Jews who grew up during the Netanyahu years are seriously damaged

      https://storify.com/public/templates/slideshow/index.html?src=//storify.com/davidsheen/israeli-army-the-next-generation

      Israel is probably the only Western democracy in which a member of parliament, Ayelet Shaked, who publicly advocates genocide of the residents of Gaza, has not been expelled from her political party, Habayit Hayehudi, or from parliament…

      and who can forget Joanie

      , interviewed at LAX by TMZ, she said that the media were “insane” for focusing on Palestinian civilian deaths, and said the U.S. in Israel’s place would wipe out the Palestinians in Gaza.
      Rivers: If New Jersey were firing rockets into New York, we would wipe them out.
      Reporter: What about the civilian casualty rates?
      Rivers: Don’t you dare put weapon stashes in private homes…
      Reporter: Where are the civilians supposed to go?
      Rivers: You’re all insane. They [Palestinians] started it. What are you all saying? They started it. The Israelis did not throw their– for months this has been going on. What are you supposed to do? How do I know? I have been over there. That’s how I know. And I wish the world would know. BBC should be ashamed of themselves. And CNN should be ashamed of themselves. And everybody, stop it already.

      She followed up with another airport rant in August. On that occasion, below, she said that Benjamin Netanyahu had invited her to come show solidarity with Israelis, “I think that would be great and I’m planning to go.” Of the Israelis, she said, “All they want is peace.” She slagged Penelope Cruz and Selena Gomez (“that other little moron”) for expressing concern about the massacre.
      The Palestinians who were killed deserve to be dead. “You’re dead. You deserve to be dead. You started it.”
      As for Hamas, “They were reelected by a lot of stupid people who don’t even own a pencil.”
      As the reporter pressed her on the death toll, 2000, she said, “Oh my god, tell that to the people in Hiroshima,” justifying Israel’s actions by U.S. actions. 100,000 killed in Hiroshima? “Good. Good.”
      Rivers came in for widespread criticism over the comments.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-leader-rabbis/
      and Rabbi David-Seth Kirshner, who is an executive of the NY Board of Rabbis, suggested that Palestinians who voted for Hamas are combatants who deserve to be targeted by Israel. He said:
      When you are part of an election process that asks for a terrorist organization which proclaims in word and in deed that their primary objective is to destroy their neighboring country and not to build schools or commerce or jobs, you are complicit and you are not a civilian casualty.
      The crowd cheered. Kirshner went on to say that the Israeli army is “the most moral army in the history of civilization.” He ended his remarks with the word, Amen.

  5. Maghlawatan
    December 8, 2016, 3:24 pm

    The NYT is hopelessly Zionist. Haaretz ran a promotion a while ago featuring all the NYT front pages for various events in Israel’s long history that goes back to the Middle Ages. But they only went back as far as 1948.
    Even Sabra and Shatila got a fair wind.

    • Maghlawatan
      December 12, 2016, 7:56 am

      Dabakr Shaked has all the sex appeal of a brainwashed Nazi

      • eljay
        December 12, 2016, 11:05 am

        || Maghlawatan: Dabakr Shaked has all the sex appeal of a brainwashed Nazi ||

        Not sure how much that is, but I find her easy on the eyes.  :-)  It’s a shame that beneath the prettiness lies such hateful and immoral ugliness.

  6. Ossinev
    December 8, 2016, 3:29 pm

    @amigo
    “To our shame , today an Irish soccer team , Dundalk is hosting the racist soccer team from Israel,s capital —Tel Aviv maccabi ”

    Not sure whether this makes the Dundalk situation better or worse but a few months ago Glasgow Celtic hosted another Israeli team and this is what happened:
    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/scottish-football-fans-protest-match-against-israeli-team-palestine-flags-1552150491

    Also as I posted earlier if perchance you have access to BBC I Player do try and watch the “Storyville” documentary on Beitar Jerusalem.

    Of course the pukey Shaked would if challenged categorise the “death to” and “kill all” chants from these supporters as simply sporting high spirits and as coming from the mouths of Israeli Jews can never be classified as incitement or racism.

    • amigo
      December 8, 2016, 4:38 pm

      “Of course the pukey Shaked would if challenged categorise the “death to” and “kill all” chants from these supporters as simply sporting high spirits and as coming from the mouths of Israeli Jews can never be classified as incitement or racism”0ssinev

      .
      Quite so.Take Jon S above who took the time to correct my error re la familia /TA but passed on the opportunity to condemn shaked for her La familiarity with racist thugs.

      We shall have to deprogram the Dundalk team on return.I am sure they were treated to all that is good in Israel.That shouldn,t have taken too long

      I had seen the wonderful welcome Celtic gave to the football thugs from zioville. I will check out that link you provided on storyville.Thanks

      • jon s
        December 9, 2016, 12:36 pm

        amigo,
        Of course I’m against Ayelet Shaked and everything she represents in Israeli politics. I’m on the opposite end of the political spectrum from her.

        And who are you calling “football thugs”? The players, about whom you probably know nothing?
        The fans from Beer Sheva who travelled with the team? You characterize people you know virtually nothing about , based on pre-conceived notions. It’s called bigotry.

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 1:15 pm

        “Of course I’m againstAyelet Shaked and everything she represents in Israeli politics”

        You don’t know what they have to say, it makes no difference anyway
        Whatever it is, you’re against it!
        No matter what it is, or who commenced it, you’re against it!

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 1:19 pm

        “And who are you calling “football thugs”? The players, about whom you probably know nothing?”

        Every one of those players is a mensch, and a wirgin!

      • Maghlawatan
        December 9, 2016, 4:57 pm

        Jon, Shaked represents Jewish privilege. No right of return. No compensation for 1948
        So do you.
        You can have her

      • DaBakr
        December 12, 2016, 1:01 am

        You know there are many many internet stories and rumors discussing […]. Odd thing, human nature.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 12, 2016, 4:12 am

        many many internet stories and rumors

        are these stories in hebrew or arabic? can you link to a few of them please (since there are so “many many”)?

      • eljay
        December 12, 2016, 7:52 am

        || @Br: … Odd thing, human nature. ||

        I agree. The aggressor-victimhood (“shoot and cry”) mentality of Zio-supremacists and like-minded people – who are willing, able and even eager to do unto others acts of injustice and immorality they would not have others do unto them – is quite perplexing.

      • Mooser
        December 12, 2016, 3:15 pm

        Well, Ayalet Shaked may not be available, but there’s plenty of other fish in the sea.

  7. pabelmont
    December 8, 2016, 5:48 pm

    MoJ Shaked: “This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. . . the people who started the war”.

    Hunh? The Ps forced Israel to burst into rebellion (terrorism) against the British and then to make war against the Ps ?

    What am I missing? Perhaps she is merely doing the “who started this mess” two-step and, as an Israeli, taking the early violence by Ps against Js as [1] the start of the difficulties and [2] indeed the start of the “war”. I always supposed that Palestinian-Js oft-declared intention to create a majority-Jews Jewish state (1920s-1940s) followed up by Jewish terrorism [1945-48] was the start of the trouble.

    My bad? If not, how do decent people let people like her get away with that lying?

    But suppose there is some sort of reasonable explanation for what she said. In that case, why do decent people let her get away with SAYING it but not EXPLAINING what she meant by “war” and “started”. Without this explanation, it is nothing more than “incitement”.

    • RoHa
      December 8, 2016, 8:10 pm

      Pabelmont, don’t you remember that, in the nineteenth century, hordes of Palestinian Arabs left Palestine, moved to Europe, and descended on the Jews of Poland, Ukraine, etc., and began destroying their houses and seizing their farms and businesses?

      • Mooser
        December 9, 2016, 12:09 pm

        “don’t you remember that, in the nineteenth century,…”

        Oh, I remember that scheme. Hitler cooked it up with the Mufti of Jerusalem.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 9, 2016, 12:15 pm

        Mooser didn’t you know the Mufti ran the Shoah? The Germans were framed. That is why Israel buys submarines from Germany to attack Gaza with

  8. Walker
    December 8, 2016, 7:20 pm

    I noticed that same article in the Boston Globe. Pretty bad.

    Pace oldgeezer, the worst inciters are not members of any public, US or Israeli, but members of our government and, in particular, the media like the Globe and the Times.

    For decades Americans have been given one side of the story regarding I/P, and the Middle East in general. Over time this led most average citizens to conclude that Palestinians and Arabs really have something wrong with them. After all, those Palestinians were constantly causing trouble for little reason that the average person could see. The endless repetition of pro-Israeli memes has had the effect over time of changing black to white.

    This article has a particularly egregious example of this:
    “Israel . . . builds settlements on land Palestinians consider theirs…”

    It’s not a matter of opinion that the land belongs to the Palestinians. First of all, they have lived there for hundreds of years. Second, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza were conquered by Israel during the 1967 Six Day War. UN Security Council Resolution 232, which since 1967 has been considered basis for a settlement after the war, alludes to “inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”. Every international body that has ever considered this question – the United Nations, the International Court of Justice, the High Contracting Powers to the Geneva Convention, the International Committee of the Red Cross – ALL have said that Israel’s settlement of its own population in those territories is illegal. There is not a single nation, apart from Israel, has ever officially said otherwise. Yet we see and hear the repetition of statements like the above daily in our media.

    Israel’s policy of delay, delay, delay; the creation of facts on the ground under US protection; and repeating the same propaganda over and over, has had an effect. Public discussion, or should I say public discussers, are more pro-Israeli than ever. Yet will this result in a happy ending for Israel? I don’t think so.

  9. Maghlawatan
    December 8, 2016, 11:41 pm

    The ADL on Twitter is a great resource for anyone who wants to know more about cognitive dissonance

    ADL [email protected]_National 2 dec
    .@nyuniversity pres. sends a clear message to universities across the country by rejecting the principles of #BDS >> http://bit.ly/2fPvF8e

    ADL [email protected]_National 4 dec.
    Did you know: 28% of 10 to 18 year-olds report being cyberbullied. Explore the topic here: http://bit.ly/1dQy2Ka

    ADL

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  10. Talkback
    December 9, 2016, 4:22 am

    “The Palestinian people. . . the people who started the war, …”

    In settler colonialism if you takeover a country through enforced mass imigration of settlers, war and expulsion, its always the indigenous people who started the war.

  11. Ossinev
    December 9, 2016, 9:30 am

    “The Palestinian people. . . the people who started the war, …”

    Bit like the Nazis claiming that it was the Jews who started the Holocaust ?

  12. AddictionMyth
    December 9, 2016, 9:49 am

    The solution to bad speech is better speech. Speech does not ‘incite’ violence. What does? Cracking down on it. The tweet about thugs starting fires was obvious satire and Israel’s behavior was abominable – and precisely what incites violence. They know this – they do this intentionally. A big part of their economy is based on the police state – and Trump wants to import it to US shores. Also note how Netanyahu threatens Mark Zuckerberg. It’s basically extortion: “Do as we say or ISIS gonna getcha!”

  13. catalan
    December 9, 2016, 10:27 am

    European League? What the devil are Oriental hill-dwellers, complete with Bedouins, doing in a European League?…Echi
    Monsieur,
    I completely agree. And to think that the head of Real Madrid is a Turk. And so many African players…Europe has lost it. Myself, I am a purebred European. Old school.

    • echinococcus
      December 9, 2016, 2:15 pm

      Catalan,

      Of course you don’t see the difference between importing players (or workers) and getting invaded by teams that belong to other planets, all for the political convenience of politicians circumventing all rules. Of course not, nothing to see, move on.

  14. catalan
    December 9, 2016, 4:14 pm

    Echi,
    So nationalism in Europe can be explained by Israeli sports teams. Nothing to do with the history of western civiliation. Okay-dokey.

  15. Ossinev
    December 9, 2016, 4:14 pm

    What the brain dead brainwashed Israeli Zios fail to see looming on the horizon with overt Apartheid now unfolding before the world`s eyes is progressive exclusion from all international sporting competition including the European Football Cup and the various other international sports competitions ( oh and chuck in the Eurovision Song Contest which though technically not a sport is quite a feather in the cap for Zionist Israelis as in we are not dangerous terrorist type barbaric orientals we are a really civilised cultured music loving European Standard Democratic Nation and we deserve to be regarded basically as fellow Europeans ).

  16. broadside
    December 10, 2016, 1:12 pm

    Something else you likely won’t read in the NY Times:

    “At the break of dawn on September 22, 1979, an American VELA spy satellite detected a double flash of light over the South Atlantic Ocean. The mysterious flash caused panic in the White House and President Jimmy Carter was immediately briefed on it.

    “The American administration was concerned that this flash could be a secret nuclear test that someone was trying to hide. The three immediate suspects were: the Soviet Union, South Africa and Israel. More specifically, the Americans suspected possible cooperation between the latter two.

    “Since then, various contradictory and inconclusive claims arose every few years in an effort to explain that flash of light. At first, the Americans thought it was a nuclear test, but then went back on their initial assumption and claimed it was the result of a technical malfunction in the satellite.

    “Now, for the first time since that dramatic morning, the answer to the mystery is officially revealed: The CIA had evidence that this was a joint nuclear test conducted by Israel and the Apartheid regime in South Africa.”

    “The newly declassified documents also include surprising information regarding the source of the leak that confirmed the test: two senior Israeli officials.”

    “Declaring that Israel conducted a nuclear experiment only six months after the signing of the Camp David Accords—considered a significant achievement of the Carter administration—would leave the United States with no choice but to impose sanctions on the State of Israel.

    “For Carter, saying that Israel conducted a nuclear experiment was no less than a terrible nightmare,” [Avner] Cohen notes.

    “The panel therefore reached the conclusions that were more convenient to all involved. A classified memo by a senior official at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) from June 1980 dubbed that the White House panel’s report a “whitewash, due to political considerations,” and argued the flash was the result of a nuclear test.”

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4890545,00.html

  17. amigo
    December 10, 2016, 1:44 pm

    Speaking of Israeli incitement !!!.

    “Doubling down on Netanyahu’s Election Day race-baiting, David Bitan says: ‘I’d rather the Arabs won’t go to the polls in droves, and won’t come to the polls at all.’ Arab lawmakers respond: ‘Bitan says what Netanyahu thinks.’

    Isaac Herzog, the chairman of the Zionist Union and the head of the opposition, accused Bitan of calling to take away voting rights from minorities, “just like the top anti-Semites in Europe did in the past to the Jewish people.”

    “The disease of racism has metastasized in the heart of Israeli society, and is embarrassing both right and left-wing voters,” he added.

    Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak tweeted: “Bibitan, his master’s voice, briefly reveals the truth about the direction in which we are led. It’s popular now, but when we go closer we’ll see an abyss.” Bitan tweeted back: “It’s best if you don’t preach to us from your cozy home in the U.S.”

    Joint List MK Yousef Jabareen called for Bitan to be fired for his “racist remarks.” “How would the political establishment in France had responded if a senior politician said he’d rather Jews not show up in the polls?” he said. ”

    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.758120

    This is the true face of Jon ,s ,s historic Homeland..A nation of racists and bigots , not to mention murderers and thieves.Jon s must be comfortable there as he chooses to stay.

    • jon s
      December 10, 2016, 4:49 pm

      amigo,
      Calling an entire people “a nation of racists and bigots” is in itself a manifestation of racism and bigotry.
      Many Americans are totally opposed to the direction the country is moving as the Trump Presidency takes shape, yet they “choose to stay”. Stay and fight the good fight. So, too, many Israelis , such as myself, oppose racism and fascism, oppose the occupation and the settlements, and seek a future where Israelis and Palestinians live in peace. But we’re not going to leave , this is our home.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 10, 2016, 5:09 pm

        Calling an entire people “a nation of racists and bigots”

        he said the true face of your “historic homeland” was “a nation of racists and bigots”.

        that doesn’t mean everyone there is a racist/bigot.

        for example, the true face of beitar jerusalem is bigoted. it doesn’t mean all the players and all their fans are bigots.

        and to be sure, calling out beitar jerusalem as bigoted (or it’s true face as bigotted) is not, in itself, “a manifestation of racism and bigotry.” it’s merely the truth.

      • echinococcus
        December 10, 2016, 5:20 pm

        But we’re not going to leave , this is our home.

        So what kind of totally irrelevant detail are you “opposing”, if you don’t oppose the essential point –the mother of all other disasters you guys created?
        You. Are. Not. At. Home.
        Shoo.
        Your home is in the US –unfortunately for the rest of us.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 6:20 pm

        “But we’re not going to leave , this is our home.”

        You aren’t frightened enough yet. You will be.

      • Maghlawatan
        December 10, 2016, 6:34 pm

        Only 94% of Israeli Jews supported Cast Lead
        So it’s unfair to the 6% to lump them in with the racists and sadists

        School’s Out in Gaza, There Are No Children Left!
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Jj_Oe7uQc

        The cream of Judaism.

        I feel sorry for you, Jon

        there were people like you in French Algeria.
        Decent people.
        But the majority isn’t decent

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 6:35 pm

        “Stay and fight the good fight”

        By teaching “Israeli history”? By living in a settlement?
        Don’t worry “Jon s” if you leave, I really doubt anybody worse will replace you. It’ll just be one less “Israeli” to support the occupation and racism.

      • Mooser
        December 10, 2016, 6:46 pm

        “Many Americans are totally opposed to the direction the country is moving as the Trump Presidency takes shape, yet they “choose to stay”.”

        As difficult as it may be for you to believe this, “Jon s” we all don’t have “ancestral homelands” to ‘return’ to.

      • jon s
        December 12, 2016, 4:10 am

        Annie,
        “A nation of racists and bigots , not to mention murderers and thieves.”
        If that’s not a sweeping, bigotted, generalization – I don’t know what is.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 12, 2016, 4:27 am

        while it may be a generalization i don’t think it’s bigoted. if someone called the US “a nation of bigots, murderers and thieves” would you accuse them of racism?

      • Maghlawatan
        December 12, 2016, 4:39 am

        Jon IsraelI society is a mess. For every lefty like you there are 3 fruitcakes and one fascist.
        It is clearly visible in the political system. The Orthodox are vicious bigots even against people like you. The settlers are bastards . The Russians are not house trained. The kids are brainwashed. 20 year olds talk about genocide . Israel is a failed state.

      • Jon66
        December 12, 2016, 7:29 am

        Annie,
        If a presidential candidate referred to undocumented Mexican immigrants as “rapists” and “murderers” would that be a generalization and not bigotry? The President elect also included the disclaimer, “some of them are good people, I assume”.
        Would it have been better if Trump had said, ‘The true face of illegal immigrants is rape and murder’?

      • Annie Robbins
        December 12, 2016, 2:13 pm

        you’re answering my question with a question and moving the goal posts jon. “undocumented Mexican immigrants” is a false equivalence for the colonial state of israel.

        i’ll respond to your question after you answer mine. if someone called the US “a nation of bigots, murderers and thieves” would you accuse them of racism?

      • Mooser
        December 12, 2016, 12:18 pm

        “If that’s not a sweeping, bigotted, generalization – I don’t know what is.”

        So, if you will excuse me for asking, why do you persist in giving Mondo ‘hits’ and ‘UPVs’?

        Do you feel like you are accomplishing anything “Jon s”? Do you think the technique of constantly talking down to the people here as if they were moral midgets and you the great arbiter is good for the Jews?

      • Jon66
        December 12, 2016, 7:50 pm

        Annie,

        ” if someone called the US “a nation of bigots, murderers and thieves” would you accuse them of racism? – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/12/incitement-israelpalestine-palestinians/#comment-174102

        No I wouldn’t. The US doesn’t have one predominant race. I don’t think the statement was racist with regards to Israel either because Israelis are not a race. But taking the characteristics of some part of the population and applying it to all is bigotry.

      • Annie Robbins
        December 13, 2016, 11:18 am

        But taking the characteristics of some part of the population and applying it to all is bigotry.

        ok, by that standard calling the US an imperialistic war mongering nation would be a bigoted statement unless one presumes every american is imperialistic and war mongering.

        No I wouldn’t. The US doesn’t have one predominant race.

        i guess that creates a real advantage by thinking of and referencing israel as “the jewish state” — hence any critique of their policy and action can be viewed as criticism of jews. i don’t really buy that defense jon.

        earlier, to make your argument, you also wrote calling “an entire people…”, but no one referenced every jew. you know that. and the original statement you called bigoted referenced not jews but the “face” of the historic homeland. a referenced to the ‘face of a nation’ is as others see it. similar to the US being imperialistic or war mongering, it is the face we show the world — at least to those we persecute and oppress! this acts as a deterrent for any nation with a will to oppose our domination.

        no wonder you tried analogizing the statement w/trump’s ‘undocumented mexican immigrants’ in order to make your argument. it’s this kind of twisted thinking that paves the way for critics of bds to claim it is anti semitic, as if the target of the movement was jews instead of a oppressor colonial state. the continued reference to israel as ‘the only jewish state’ or ‘the jewish state’ is built into the hasbara required to defend the murderous bigoted thieving actions of the state. it is an inoculating feature used to defend the unconscionable.

      • echinococcus
        December 13, 2016, 7:44 am

        John 66,

        No I wouldn’t. The US doesn’t have one predominant race. I don’t think the statement was racist with regards to Israel either because Israelis are not a race.

        Ah, but you wouldn’t because you knowingly use the racists’ misleading “definition” for racism (and a peculiarly American version of it, at that.) As expected.
        In the civilized world, racism is the term consensually used for prejudice against members of groups sharing a given characteristic at birth. Not necessarily what some laymen call “race”.

        Just one example: the criterion of “being born to a Jewish woman” is totally racist.

      • Jon66
        December 13, 2016, 8:37 am

        Ecchi,
        Your definition of racism is at variance from the standard English definition. Racism relates to relates as sexism relates to sex.

        But perhaps you can give me the word for people who use terms like, “In the civilized world,”.

      • Mooser
        December 13, 2016, 1:04 pm

        .” Racism relates to relates as sexism relates to sex.”

        You tell ’em, “Jon 66”!

        Can we just say that you want Zionism to have all the respect and benefit of the doubt which is usually afforded the Jewish religion?

        You can have that if you want, of course, simply declare Zionism part of the theology of the Jewish religion. Then they will have to respect the one like they respect the other.

  18. Maghlawatan
    December 10, 2016, 6:42 pm

    And Jews for years prayed towards Jerusalem……

    Tibi – Ahmed Tibi
    I wanted you to know
    The next kid to be hurt will be your kid
    I hate Tibi
    I hate Tibi the terrorist.
    Tibi – is dead!
    Tibi – is dead!
    Tibi – is dead!
    Tibi is a terrorist.
    Tibi is a terrorist.
    Tibi is a terrorist.
    They’ll take their papers away.
    They’ll take their papers away.
    They’ll take their papers away.
    Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé
    In Gaza there’s no studying
    No children are left there,
    Olé, olé, olé-olé-olé,
    [Three lines, not entirely clear]
    Who is getting nervous, I hear?
    Zoabi, this here is the Land of Israel
    This here is the Land of Israel, Zoabi
    This here is the Land of the Jews
    I hate you, I do, Zoabi
    I hate all the Arabs.
    Oh-oh-oh-oh
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard
    Gaza is a graveyard

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