Leading Clintonite worries that Trump will sell out Israel in forging deal with Russia

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The woman regarded as Hillary Clinton’s choice for Defense Secretary says “my worry” is that Donald Trump will not consider Israel’s interests in forging a deal with Russia over Syria.

Michele Flournoy spoke at an Israeli security conference earlier this week. After Philip Gordon, a former aide to President Obama on the Middle East, expressed the concern that Trump would align with Russia on Syria “without getting anything for it” in terms of constraining Iran in the Middle East, Flournoy said:

Yeah. And this is where I think you have to worry for Israel and Israel’s interests, which is that you could end up with a situation in Syria, where he says OK, we’re going to get some kind  of ceasefire and peace deal in exchange for some kind of general commitment of Russia to fight ISIS, which they’ve never really done, and Israel’s interests aren’t even considered in the process. That’s my worry.

Flournoy was widely-thought to be Hillary Clinton’s “Defense Secretary in waiting.” Last year she advocated for a far more aggressive U.S. intervention in Syria against Bashar al-Assad and ISIS, which she styled as “limited military coercion,” including enforcing a “no-bombing” zone in areas controlled by rebels. She is the CEO of the Center for a New American Security, a liberal-interventionist thinktank.

Her comments underline the fact that during the campaign Clinton was more attuned to Israel’s interests than Donald Trump.

John Kerry has contradicted Flournoy on Russia. He said last year that Russia only intervened in Syria to prevent ISIS from bringing down Assad.

In the conversation at the Israeli Institute for National Security Studies published three days ago, Flournoy expressed the fear that Trump was being “played by Putin.” The U.S. must be hardheaded, she said:

My concern is that the objective should not be simply to reduce tensions. The objective should be to protect our interests and allied interests from a more aggressive regime in Russia. We all would like to see less tense relations, but you have to put at the core protecting our interests. And I worry that in seeking to simply reduce the temperature or cool things down, that Trump may– President Trump may — make some concessions that would not be in our interests or those of our allies, long term, and that he risks being played by Vladimir Putin and being put in a much weaker position.

David Ignatius, the Washington Post columnist, affirmed Flournoy’s view, saying a grand bargain with Russia could be “dangerous to Israel”:

Part of this rapprochement with Russia would include some understanding with Russia’s allies in Syria, Iran. That’s a very dangerous strategy for all the reasons we discussed, dangerous to Israel.

But Flournoy said that based on the advisers Trump has in place, the Trump administration is likely to be very tough in its dealings with Iran. It will keep the Iran deal but “add cooperation with Israel and others in the region to push back harder on Iran’s destabilizing activity and support for terrorism.”

Philip Gordon echoed that, and said: “As they do confront Iran, Iran will respond, and there’s a risk of escalation.”

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  1. JLewisDickerson
    January 26, 2017, 11:11 am

    RE: “Leading Clintonite worries that Trump will sell out Israel in forging deal with Russia”

    MY SNARKCASM: Israel first and foremost! ! ! If for no other reason than in memory of Hillary and Haim.

  2. Maghlawatan
    January 26, 2017, 11:53 am

    Mondoweiss readers should club together and buy a bus. We could throw Israel under it.

    • amigo
      January 26, 2017, 12:25 pm

      “Mondoweiss readers should club together and buy a bus. We could throw Israel under it. ” Maghlawatan

      I prefer a caterpillar DC 9. It can be used to bury what,s left of Israel after it has been thrown under it.

      Think of the symbolism.

    • CigarGod
      January 27, 2017, 11:57 am

      Better a bus than 500 villages under a dozer.

  3. Ossinev
    January 26, 2017, 12:00 pm

    “Flournoy expressed the fear that Trump was being “played by Putin.” The U.S. must be hardheaded, she said”

    Of course the US has never ever been”played” by the Yahoo or any other Zioland PM. Perish the thought !! Forget danger to America all you dumb American citizens the number one focus has to be as an absolute priority “dangers to our beloved Israel”. God Bless America ! oops sorry I meant God Bless Israel !

    • Marnie
      January 27, 2017, 4:54 am

      It’s okay for the u.s. to get played according to these traitors, as long as the playing is done BY israel and not against it. Treason looks like her, and every member of team tRUMP, including the tRUMP himself.

  4. Bandolero
    January 26, 2017, 12:01 pm

    I don’t get it. Michele Flournoy said she’s worried that Israel’s interests aren’t even considered by Trump in the process of fighting ISIS in Syria. Didn’t she notice the fact that the US is now in the “America first” age.

    Hasn’t she listened to Trump’s inauguration address:

    From this moment on, it’s going to be America First. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families.

    This was a hugely popular message, with something like a 65 – 22 positive rating.

    See “Poll: Voters liked Trump’s ‘America first’ address” http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/poll-voters-liked-trumps-inaugural-address-234148

    And Trump defined America’s foreign policy andAmerica’s interests abroad in detail:

    We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow. We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones – and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.

    That’s it, period. That was the foreign policy mission statement of Trump’s campaign and he won with that.

    So, instead of claiming that Trump’s fight against ISIS in Syria may not consider Israel’s interests, Flournoy should have made a case on how considering what she calls Israel’s interests while fighting ISIS in Syria would “benefit American workers and American families” – but she did not even try.

    Regarding Iran I don’t share Philip Gordon’s worries that there is a great deal to worry about confrontation and escalation. First and foremost is Iran very much against terrorism, be it Radical Islamic Terrorism or whatever terrorism. And Iran is the foremost power fighting against Al Qaeda and ISIS in the middle East. Trump’s generals will surely inform him and the public about that soon.

    But there is more where Iran can help Trump. Trump said in his inauguration address:

    But for too many of our citizens, a different reality exists: Mothers and children trapped in poverty in our inner cities; rusted-out factories scattered like tombstones across the landscape of our nation; an education system, flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of knowledge; and the crime and gangs and drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.

    95% of world heroine come from southern Afghanistan right across the Iranian border. Iran would love to help eradicate that because that problem is not only wrecking the US, but Iran, too. The US objected Iranian help, effectively protecting the source of the drug carnage in parts of the US from Iranian-led destruction. Trump’s “America first” policy may well change that.

    So, putting American interests first there’s a great potential for respectful cooperation between a Trump-led US with Iran.

    • Mooser
      January 26, 2017, 5:29 pm

      “So, putting American interests first there’s a great potential for respectful cooperation betweenn a Trump-led US with Iran.”

      Gen. Mattis will see to it personally.

      • Mooser
        January 26, 2017, 5:58 pm

        “95% of world heroine come from southern Afghanistan right across the Iranian border “

        Except for the entire West Coast of America, where we get our heroin (chiva) from South America, where they grow poppies and process, and smuggle.

        Of course, even that pales before the problem of semi-synthetic and synthetic opiates from legal US drug manufacturers (OxyContin, Fentanyl) sold on the black market.

      • Sibiriak
        January 26, 2017, 9:27 pm

        CDC: “New data show continuing opioid epidemic in the United States

        In 2015 more than 52,000 people died from a drug overdose; of those, 33,091 (63.1 percent) involved a prescription or illicit opioid. Since 2000, more than 300,000 Americans have lost their lives to an opioid overdose.

        * * *
        CDC’s latest national analyses indicate that the increase in opioid overdose death rates is driven in large part by illicit opioids, like heroin and illicitly manufactured fentanyl, a synthetic opioid. The new data show from 2014 to 2015:

        Death rates for synthetic opioids other than methadone (including drugs such as tramadol and fentanyl, referred to as synthetic opioids) increased 72.2 percent

        Heroin death rates increased 20.6 percent

        Synthetic opioid and heroin death rates increased across all age groups 15 and older, in both sexes, and among all races/ethnicities.

        Methadone death rates declined 9.1 percent

        Natural opioids (including morphine and codeine) and semi-synthetic opioids (including commonly prescribed pain medications such as oxycodone and hydrocodone) were involved in more than 12,700 deaths in 2015; death rates increased 2.6 percent from 2014 to 2015 in this category. However, the increase has slowed compared with the increase from 2013 to 2014.
        https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2016/p1216-continuing-opioid-epidemic.html

        ———————————-

        2014 CDC data, top ten overdose death drugs:

        Heroin—10,863
        Cocaine—5,856
        Oxycodone—5,435
        Alprazoloam—4,217
        Fentanyl—4,200
        Morphine—4,022
        Methamphetamine—3,727
        Methadone—3,895
        Hydrocodone—3,274
        Diazepam—1,279

        http://www.alternet.org/drugs/top-10-drugs-overdose-dying-us

        ———————

        “Sanders Calls for Investigation of Big Pharma Drug Pushers Over Shocking New Report”

        From 2007-2012, the Big Three wholesalers earned a combined $17 billion while they collectively shipped 423 million pain pills to West Virginia

        http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/12/20/sanders-calls-investigation-big-pharma-drug-pushers-over-shocking-new-report

        ——————–

        Naked Capitalism:

        50,000 deaths is an AIDS-level epidemic. The contrast between liberal Democrat reaction to the AIDS crisis (gays as a protected class) and this crisis (working class heaved over the side) couldn’t be more clear.

        Clinton in Keene, NH August 2015:“I have to confess, I was surprised. I did not expect that I would hear about drug abuse and substance abuse and other such challenges, everywhere I went.” The Clinton campaign then emitted some bullet points, which promptly dropped from sight…”

        http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2017/01/links-12317.html

      • Bandolero
        January 27, 2017, 10:09 am

        mooser

        You’re surely right that Iran can’t help the US fighting abuse and diversion of prescription drugs and sythetic drugs and illegal drugs grown in Latin America. And you’re also right that my shot-from-the-hip number of 95% world heroin coming from Afghanistan was way too high.

        Here is this producer list it looks like the number of world poppy coming from Afghanistan may be down to 70% or so.

        http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/top-opium-poppy-producing-countries.html

        But at Mint Press News they said the number to be 90% for example.

        http://www.mintpressnews.com/global-war-terror-created-heroin-epidemic-us-afghanistan/218662/

        What ever it is, more interesting may be that at Mint Press they said, there is a connection by market substitution between poppy growth in Afghanistan and heroin from Latin America flooding the US.

        And it’s anyway still quite logical that without draining the global top poppy producer swamp dry, the fight against heroin – in the US and elsewhere – will hardly be ever won. Otherwise, if Latin America would after a hrad fight be brought down to zero poppy production, Afghanistan would just replace it as heroin source for the US market, and if the wall to Mexico would stem the smuggling, the heroin would come via Canada or other air and sea traffic to the US. So, to get rid of the heroin epedimy in the US it’s – among other things that need to be done – still neccessary to drain the Afghan poppy swamp.

        And the point that Iran can help there is still valid. Iran is already really fighting hard against opium and heroin. One may call Iran easily the world’s leading force in the fight against opium and heroin, see here:

        https://www.unodc.org/islamicrepublicofiran/drug-trafficking-and-border-control.html

        From what I know from Iran is the Ayatollahs hate poppy because it destroys the society they are spending their lifes to nurture. And they would like to fight the poppy cross-border in Afghanistan, too, but the Taliban poppy cultures are effectively protected by US soldiers preventing Iran to go there and finish them off. The very most of Afghan poppy cultures are in Kandahar and Helmand provinces, right across the Iranian border.

        If Trump defines as aims of America in Afghanistan eradicating terror and the global heart of the world drug epidemy – which is very much in line with the American interest outlined by Trump, co-operation with Iran might really help reaching these goals. I can easily imagine Iran sending the IRGC into Afghanistan to eradicate the world’s largest poppy production there, if an understand with the US can be reached to do this.

        So far, it seems to me objections from a tiny middle eastern state with a huge lobby prevented US-Iranian cooperation to fight poppy. But serving the American interest I think Trump may overcome these objections.

      • Mooser
        January 27, 2017, 12:50 pm

        ….what was all that? Sorry, I nodded out for a minute.

      • Keith
        January 27, 2017, 5:37 pm

        BANDOLERO- “…the Taliban poppy cultures are effectively protected by US soldiers preventing Iran to go there and finish them off.”

        CIA involvement in the Afghanistan poppy/heroine drug trade is well known to dissidents, but goes unreported in the MSM. Control of drug trafficking is an integral part of CIA operations, the War on Drugs primarily a war on the poor at home and abroad. “The CIA’s control of international drug trafficking is America’s darkest secret….” (p 27, “The CIA as Organized Crime,” Douglas Valentine)

        BANDOLERO- “If Trump defines as aims of America in Afghanistan eradicating terror and the global heart of the world drug epidemy….”

        Don’t hold your breath waiting for a bonafide war on drugs. Drug trafficking and other criminal activities are an integral part of the global system. During the financial crisis of 2008, drug money was the principal source of system liquidity.

        “Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were “the only liquid investment capital” available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result.” https://www.theguardian.com/global/2009/dec/13/drug-money-banks-saved-un-cfief-claims

        Getting back to Michele Flournoy and Syria, the US media is in bed with the CIA and is nothing but propaganda. A recent example is an interview with Hawaiian Representative Tulsi Gabbard on her recent trip to Syria. Notice how the CNN interviewer attempts to insert the propaganda points about the “butcher” Assad without reference to US support for the Islamist terrorists. Gabbard does a fine job in getting some actual facts out. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/46312.htm

        I end with a quote: “The CIA and the media are part of the same criminal conspiracy. You’re never going to learn anything substantive by reading what mainstream reporters dish out about the CIA.” (p 140, “The CIA as Organized Crime,” Douglas Valentine)

      • RoHa
        January 27, 2017, 8:54 pm

        “the Taliban poppy cultures are effectively protected by US soldiers ”

        The story I heard was that the Taliban suppressed poppy culture, and that the US soldiers are now protecting the opium production from the Taliban.

      • Sibiriak
        January 29, 2017, 2:27 am

        RoHa: The story I heard was that the Taliban suppressed poppy culture, and that the US soldiers are now protecting the opium production from the Taliban.
        —————-

        It appears that Taliban policy has changed over time, and U.S. policy has been extremely muddled.

        2001 Taliban’s Ban On Poppy A Success, U.S. Aides Say”

        The first American narcotics experts to go to Afghanistan under Taliban rule have concluded that the movement’s ban on opium-poppy cultivation appears to have wiped out the world’s largest crop in less than a year, officials said today.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html

        2007

        The Taliban instituted a strict Islamist policy against the opium trade during the final years of their regime, and by the time of their overthrow they had virtually eliminated it.

        But now, Lieutenant General Mohammad Daud-Daud, Afghanistan’s deputy minister of the interior for counter-narcotics, told me, “there has been a coalition between the Taliban and the opium smugglers. This year, they have set up a commission to tax the harvest.” In return, he said, the Taliban had offered opium farmers protection from the government’s eradication efforts. The switch in strategy has an obvious logic: it provides opium money for the Taliban to sustain itself and helps it to win over the farming communities.

        http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/07/09/the-talibans-opium-war

        2010

        NATO Wednesday rejected Russian calls for it to eradicate opium poppy fields in Afghanistan, saying the best way for Moscow to help control the drug would be to give more assistance against the insurgency.

        Russia’s anti-drugs czar, Victor Ivanov, met NATO ambassadors in Brussels and proposed that NATO troops be given a U.N. mandate and an obligation to eradicate Afghan opium crops, which were killing 30,000 Russians a year.

        But NATO spokesman James Appathurai said the drug problem had to be handled carefully to avoid alienating local people. He said the alliance was continuing efforts to target drug lords and drug labs, but added at a news briefing:

        “We cannot be in a situation where we remove the only source of income of people who live in the second poorest country in the world without being able to provide them with an alternative.”

        http://www.reuters.com/article/uk-nato-russia-afghanistan-idUKTRE62N56U20100324

        2010 US tells Afghans to grow grapes not opium poppy

        The Taliban make Afghanistan’s opium business easy, offering credit, seeds and fertilizer to farmers to grow the drugs that fuel the insurgency.

        U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, who wrapped up a three-day visit to Afghanistan on Tuesday, is determined to change that momentum by offering similar incentives to steer farmers away from the drug trade and toward grapes, wheat and other legitimate crops.

        […]Farmers say they make five times more money growing poppy than wheat from the same amount of land.

        The U.S. has pushed agricultural reforms to the top of its non-security agenda as part of President Barack Obama’s increased focus on stabilizing the country.

        […]The U.S. administration has reversed a Bush-era policy of destroying poppy crops in Afghanistan in favor of promoting legal crops. But officials have said the tactic has done little to reduce the flow of drug money

        http://o.seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010771640_apasafghanistanusagriculture.html

        2016 Poppy Production: The Taliban’s Cash Cow

        The Taliban have mastered smuggling poppy through Afghanistan and into Iran and Pakistan, supplying 90 percent of the world’s illicit opiates.

        […]There is no clear estimate as to how much of the Taliban’s income comes from opium. However, one estimate is that the group receives more than one-third of its income from direct taxes it levies on poppy farmers, tolls at checkpoints, and shipment protection fees from truckers, making anywhere from between $100 million to $300 million in a single year.’

        http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/poppy-production-the-talibans-cash-cow/

        —————————————-

        The UNDOC “Afghanistan Opium Survey 2014” has a chart showing a dramatic drop in cultivation during 2001, then followed by sharp rises in cultivation since that date, far surpassing pre-2001 levels.

        See: http://www.unodc.org/documents/crop-monitoring/Afghanistan/Afghan-opium-survey-2014.pdf

        Wikipedia:

        […]in the last decade both the Taliban and the Karzai government have actively protected the opium trade, while the US forces have mostly turned a blind eye.

        The US invasion has in fact been causal in a massive increase in opium production, with public eradication efforts being largely window dressing. Notably, there was a large increase in the area under cultivation between 2002 and 2014.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_production_in_Afghanistan

      • RoHa
        January 29, 2017, 5:19 pm

        So the US protects the poppy crop, and the Taliban profits from it.

        The secret cabal running the world isn’t Jews. It’s British comedy writers.

    • JWalters
      January 26, 2017, 8:21 pm

      “Flournoy should have made a case on how … Israel’s interests … would ‘benefit American workers and American families’ – but she did not even try.”

      Excellent, key point. The Zionists always presume their conclusion at the start of their case. They presume Israel is an asset rather than a liability. Anyone who does not agree with this assumption is met with ferocious scolding and flame throwing. Making this presumption a foundation for any discussion has always been a cornerstone of their strategy. Because as soon as a real examination of actual assets and liabilities begins, Israel will be toast. Americans will be shocked at its history of atrocities, lies, attacks on American values, and attacks on America. The facts do not favor Israel. Israel depends entirely on its capacity to coerce.

  5. Blownaway
    January 26, 2017, 12:31 pm

    More affirmation for this Palestinians vote for The Chaos Don

  6. HarryLaw
    January 26, 2017, 12:41 pm

    Last year she [Flournoy] advocated for a far more aggressive U.S. intervention in Syria against Bashar al-Assad and ISIS, which she styled as “limited military coercion,” including enforcing a “no-bombing” zone in areas controlled by rebels. This nonsense was flushed out at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing…Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Mississippi) asked about what it would take for the US to impose a no-fly zone over Syria, using the phrase “control the airspace.”

    “Right now… for us to control all of the airspace in Syria would require us to go to war against Syria and Russia,” Dunford replied, drawing a rebuke from committee chairman John McCain (R-Arizona), who argued a no-fly zone was possible without war. https://www.rt.com/usa/360317-carter-dunford-syria-russia-senate/
    Trump now is thinking along the same lines as Flournoy, he has given his military advisors 90 days to come up with a plan. Harold Wilson [former UK, PM] once said a week is a long time in politics, 90 days is a lifetime.

    • MHughes976
      January 26, 2017, 2:15 pm

      There’s some limit to the Trump-Flournoy convergence. I don’t really think Trump is concerned with asserting his will in Syria itself so much as with excluding refugees from the United States and giving himself some sort of humanitarian cover in the process by saying that they can go to safe areas in and around Syria. It will not be too important to him that these areas actually do a humanitarian job or whether they assist in toppling Assad. That is why he’s not giving the sort of attention to Israel that Flournoy would wish, at least in this matter at this moment. He could still do a lot of damage, I must admit.

    • Keith
      January 26, 2017, 7:46 pm

      HARRY LAW- “Trump now is thinking along the same lines as Flournoy, he has given his military advisors 90 days to come up with a plan.”

      When has Trump ever called for a no fly zone? There are a lot of different scenarios which could be envisioned under proposed “safe zones” for refugees. Until the details concerning these ambiguous “safe zones” are provided, it is dishonest to conflate warmonger Flournoy’s call for no fly zones and an escalation of hostilities with what Trump may be trying to do. Perhaps the details will stink. But for now, conflating him with Flournoy is unjustified.

      • HarryLaw
        January 27, 2017, 4:55 am

        Keith, I don’t want to split hairs but ‘safe zones’ are usually areas where bombs cannot be dropped on the area, essentially ‘no fly zones’. I agree with you in the sense that for instance, whenever the UK government want to shelve an idea, they give it to a committee [that committee will sometimes sit on it for years] 90 days is a long time in politics , then the idea is sometimes deemed not so good through change of circumstances, then quietly dropped.
        Trump of course never shoots from the hip,sure he doesn’t, for instance it could be his call to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem was not to be taken seriously? Maybe he can give that move to a committee to be resolved at their leisure, but not too soon?

      • HarryLaw
        January 27, 2017, 6:07 am

        This wacky idea [safe zone] is something Trump floated during the campaign, when he averred that he would create a “big beautiful safe zone” in war-torn Syria. Vice President Pence also endorsed the idea in his debate with Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine. And the neoconservative faction of the GOP – which bitterly opposed Trump during the campaign, and continues to do so to this day – issued one of their frequent “open letters” demanding the establishment of a safe zone in conjunction with increased support for the “moderate” Islamist rebel campaign to overthrow the regime of Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad.

        A viable space for such a zone is the area currently controlled by the Islamist rebels: the towns of Jarablus and Azaz and surrounding area, next to the Turkish border. Establishing a “safe zone” here would, in effect, carve out a mini-state under the control of Islamists, most of whom are indistinguishable from al-Qaeda and ISIS. Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, the reality of what this would have to mean was outlined:

        “Thousands of U.S. ground forces would be needed, even if positioned outside Syria, to support those physically defending the zones. A limited no-fly zone coupled with US ground forces would push the costs over one billion dollars per month.”

        John Kerry, citing Department of Defense estimates, testified that “safe zones” would require up to 30,000 troops on the ground. http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/01/26/trumps-first-big-mistake/

      • Sibiriak
        January 30, 2017, 7:07 am

        Lavrov: Syria ‘safe zones’ possible if Damascus agrees

        Russia may support the US initiative to establish so-called ‘safe zones’ for refugees in Syria, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said. The plan would require close cooperation with the UN and approval from Syrian President Bashar Assad’s government, he added.

        https://www.rt.com/news/375582-lavrov-syria-safe-zones/

  7. eljay
    January 26, 2017, 1:50 pm

    Leading Clintonite worries that Trump will sell out Israel in forging deal with Russia

    Leading Clintonite shouldn’t worry that an alliance with Russia might abrogate America’s alliance with Israel:
    – The alliance with Russia would be in America’s interest.
    (Leading Clintonite cares about America…yes?)

    – It would be based on existing or developing “shared common values” that could naturally evolve into an “unbreakable bond” with “no light between”.
    (All good stuff, right?)

    – Israel wouldn’t be the first country to have it’s alliance with the U.S. scrapped. Kicking Israel to the curb would be entirely in line with Zionist demands that “the world’s only ‘Jewish State'” not be singled out.
    (Leading Clintonite isn’t anti-Semitically suggesting singling out the “Jewish State”…is she?)

  8. Atlantaiconoclast
    January 26, 2017, 2:53 pm

    But Flournoy said that based on the advisers Trump has in place, the Trump administration is likely to be very tough in its dealings with Iran. It will keep the Iran deal but “add cooperation with Israel and others in the region to push back harder on Iran’s destabilizing activity and support for terrorism.” – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/leading-clintonite-worries/#sthash.Bb39QV49.dpuf

    It never ceases to amaze me how they can say IRAN is the aggressor and destabilizer in the ME. All because it supports Hezbollah, which only exists to protect Lebanon from Israeli aggression? Give me a break. Her rant is just more proof that the anti Assad hysteria has always been about Israel. Never mind the mess and misery made of the destabilization of Syria, Israel must have its strategic goals met, come hell or high water!

    And even if Putin was not going after ISIS, which he has, why would ISIS be HIS responsibility? He was not the one that looked with favor at the rise of ISIS (see 2012 DIA Memo). He is not the one that has “accidentally” dropped equipment and supplies to ISIS. He is not the one that allowed ISIS to drive across the desert of Syria to re-take Palmyra. But It is Putin’s responsibility? It isn’t enough for him to be helping Assad against Al Qaeda in Western, and Northern Syria?

  9. Kay24
    January 26, 2017, 3:29 pm

    Sounds like the woman is more concerned about Israel over the United States.

    I worry for the United States. Israel is fully capable of looking after itself, in fact will do so by hook or by crook.

  10. Kay24
    January 26, 2017, 3:35 pm

    It seems crooked Nutty is going to be interrogated for the third time. If only they did not drink so much of pink Champagne.

    “Netanyahu to Be Questioned by Police Over Alleged Corruption for Third Time on Friday
    Police questioning, to take place at Netanyahu’s Jerusalem residence, is expected to deal with both ongoing corruption investigations into the prime minister.
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.767775

  11. amigo
    January 26, 2017, 4:51 pm

    Theresa May,s audience in Philly , saved their loudest applause (by far) for her stated commitment to Israel and it,s security.

    Theresa is a proud member of the CFI , (Conservative friends of Israel) so she probably received instructions from her friends at the Israeli embassy to ensure that she mentioned the Jewish state having to survive in a “tough ” neighbourhood.

  12. catalan
    January 26, 2017, 5:03 pm

    I worry for the United States. Israel is fully capable of looking after itself, in fact will do so by hook or by crook. –
    The US has an astounding 60k annual GDP per capita. Israel is about half that (35k). It seems that the US doesn’t need your worry, perhaps Gabon or Liberia do.

    • eljay
      January 26, 2017, 5:42 pm

      || catalan: … Israel is fully capable of looking after itself, in fact will do so by hook or by crook. … ||

      And that’s the story until the next time it becomes useful for Israel to once again be just a tiny nation perpetually on the verge of being wiped off the map and pushed into the sea.

      • johneill
        January 26, 2017, 8:45 pm

        i think the hook and crook are nuclear weapons?

    • Maghlawatan
      January 27, 2017, 10:16 pm

      Catalan, are you nuts? Israel is a parasite. Imagine a pilot fish saying it doesn’t need its shark. Can you imagine how the other fish would laugh? It would be so funny.

      Do you ever feel Like a plastic bag Drifting through the wind Wanting to start again? Because that is what a truly independent Israel would feel like.

  13. jd65
    January 26, 2017, 5:18 pm

    The woman regarded as Hillary Clinton’s choice for Defense Secretary says “my worry” is that Donald Trump will not consider Israel’s interests in forging a deal with Russia over Syria

    After Philip Gordon, a former aide to President Obama on the Middle East, expressed the concern that Trump would align with Russia on Syria “without getting anything for it” in terms of constraining Iran in the Middle East, Flournoy said, ‘Yeah.’

    Looks like the Clintons still hold a grudge with the Bolsheviks for outing Sykes-Picot. Damn Russians…

  14. Keith
    January 26, 2017, 6:41 pm

    PHIL- “She is the CEO of the Center for a New American Security, a liberal-interventionist thinktank.”

    I am not sure how “liberal” her interventionist think tank is. She has surrounded herself with warmongering neocons and her Center for a New American Security is seen by Pepe Escobar as an updated version of the Project for a New American Century. A quote and a link.

    “The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security, a Democratic Party-friendly think tank co-founded and led by former Undersecretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy….

    The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin. The paper itself was prepared in consultation with various defense and national security intellectuals over the course of six dinners. Among the officials includes those who signed on to PNAC letters calling for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, such as Elliot Abrams, Robert Zoellick, Craig Kennedy, Martin Indyk, Dennis Ross, and Flournoy herself, who signed on to a PNAC letter in 2005 calling for more ground troops in Iraq.” (Dan Wright) https://off-guardian.org/2016/06/14/hillary-clintons-project-for-a-new-american-century/

    • JWalters
      January 26, 2017, 8:35 pm

      Thanks for this background. That paper would be more honestly titled “Expanding Israeli Power”.

    • jd65
      January 27, 2017, 9:36 am

      @ Keith & JWalters:

      “The paper, titled “Expanding American Power,” was published by the Center for a New American Security,

      The introduction to Expanding American Power is written by the aforementioned Robert Kagan and former Clinton Administration State Department official James Rubin.

      The paper is titled “Extending American Power,” in case anyone is having a hard time searching for it to actually read it. Dan Wright’s article appears to have the title incorrect and the link he’s provided goes nowhere. And, yeah, this seems to quite obviously be some sort PNAC extension…

  15. JWalters
    January 26, 2017, 8:40 pm

    ” Flournoy expressed the fear that Trump was being ‘played by Putin.'”

    I’m guessing her real fear is that Trump is not controlled by Netanyahu. The consequences of massive crimes are at stake.

  16. Kaisa of Finland
    January 26, 2017, 8:40 pm

    Writing from the neighbour country of Russia, I’d say, The Middle East is not Putins main interest or concerne. If Trump wants to make a deal with Putin, it will most likely to be about Russia’s illegal occupation in Ukrain and the U.S. / EU trade policy caused By it. Putin wants to keep the Krim as part of Russias “sphere of interest” and I do not see him making deal with any other things than that. I do not think even Assad is that important to him. This is why Trumps incalculable behavior has got the former Soviet states frightened.

    • Kaisa of Finland
      January 26, 2017, 9:14 pm

      Just to add to my comment above: On the other hand, if Trump would make Putin angry for some reason, that might have consequenses in Putin’s Middle East politics. It would most likely be the easiest way for Putin to get back on Tump..

      • Mooser
        January 27, 2017, 1:12 pm

        “On the other hand, if Trump would make Putin angry for some reason”

        Much, much more likely that Putin will make Trump angry. And then what will Pres. Trump do?

        Putin owns Trump.

      • RoHa
        January 27, 2017, 8:50 pm

        “Putin owns Trump.”

        We hope so.

      • Keith
        January 28, 2017, 12:45 am

        ROHA- “We hope so.”

        Wishful thinking! If he did, we might actually be able to negotiate an elimination of nuclear weapons, or least taking them off hair trigger alert! But reality is no match for Mooser’s solidarity with anti-Trump/Putin solidarity. Hillary as President, Michele Flournoy as Secretary of Defense, and Victoria Nuland as Secretary of State. Mooser’s dream come true!

      • Mooser
        January 28, 2017, 9:35 pm

        “Wishful thinking!”

        Yes it is very true. Only Nixon could go to China, and only Trump can go to Russia. Yessiree, “Keith”, “Trump” is a guy Americans can trust to do a deal with Russia. It’s not like Trump is at all compromised in that area. Everybody expects Trump to drive a hard bargain with them!

    • Atlantaiconoclast
      January 27, 2017, 3:04 pm

      illegal occupation? For Crimea? Give us a break. The Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia. And WE destabilized Ukraine.

      • Annie Robbins
        January 27, 2017, 3:22 pm

        true

      • Kaisa of Finland
        January 31, 2017, 2:58 pm

        To Atlantaiconoclast: “The Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia..” ? Really?? Where did you get this fact??

        First: If the Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia, why did it need a Russian army intervention to do it?? And why is the fighting still after three years going on in East Ukrain??

        Second: Before the latest occupation on the area of Krim, there were living three different ethnical groups there: Tataars (I have no idea what they are called in english), ukranians and russians. The tataars have lived in the area of Krim since 12th-century and were deported By Stalin around 1944 to be able to return around 1980’s (those who were left alive). Russians and Ukranians have moved to the area later than tataars, during the different occupations there have been from surrounding countries (around 18-19th centurys).

        Before the spring 2014 the pro-russian movement was developed mainly among the ethnic russians of the area and the ethnic ukranias and specially tataars resisted it. Russia sent armed forces to support the pro-russian group helping them to seize the control of Krim and join it to Russia. Almost all of the tataars have since then escaped to the area of East Ukrain, where the fighting against the pro-russian groups is still going on today.

        There is so much disinformation going on about what exactly happened, but for tataars, they have dreamed to return Krims autonomy as their homeland, like the kurdis in the Middle East fighting for their Kurdistan.

        With your logic, when Netanjahu one day is going to declair West Bank as part of Israel, under Israel’s legistlation, because the Jewish settlers wish so, are you then going to write here, that it was not illegal because the West Bankers wanted to join Israel??

        A bit simplyfied truth, maybe??

      • Annie Robbins
        January 31, 2017, 4:22 pm

        it’s my understanding Crimea’s population was majority russian even before the western backed color revolution. (it’s 58% currently)

        Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia..” ? Really?? Where did you get this fact??

        the election.

        If the Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia, why did it need a Russian army intervention to do it??

        maybe it didn’t interest them that much until the (pro russian) democratically elected president of the ukraine was overthrown in a coup by western backed (heavily funded and supported) color revolutionaries, thanks to people like victoria nuland who’s job it was to destabilize the urkraine.

        and when you say “tataars have since then escaped to the area of East Ukrain” — do you mean recently? were they being held hostage? i didn’t hear about that. do you have a link?

      • Kaisa of Finland
        January 31, 2017, 7:02 pm

        Annie Robins: The elections were not legal (not even according to U.N.) and they were held By the pro-russians without real neutral supervision. After the election the pro-russians declared that the result of the elctions was that 96,7 % of the voters wanted the Krim to be part of the Russia.. At least the tataars denied the result saying the voting percent was only 34,2%.

        There has been so much “trollying” around this subject from the both sides that there are no real facts or numbers to be found that could be confirmed as to be the real ones.

        My links are all in finnish so they won’t help you, but if you really are interested in the matter, I hope you find a reliable source to read. The reasons behind the conflict are many and it is much more about Russias power struggle than the ethnic-russians living in the Ukrain.

        I couldn’t find the link about the tataars escaping, to chek it again.. And I am very sorry if I was wrong. I really do not want to misslead anyone..

        Anyway, I could write to you a novel of the Russia and it’s trustworthy and politics around here, cause we all here have been crown up next to a politically really unreliable country and all though we are a free and independent here, there is always the question “What if..?” in the back of our minds. And that feeling we share with the former Soviet States – eventhough my grandparents generation were able to keep our independency after the bloody wars 1939-45 so we did not need to experience the same things as ukranians, estonians or fex. latvian people.

        I know that the tataars and at least the most of the ethnic-ukranians did not want to join Russia and I know that behind the occupation was Ukrains thoughts of getting closer to E.U. and NATO which didn’t not please Russia and since Krims occupation Russia has restricted the rights of the tataars fex. closing their news chanells and forbidden their free organizations. (Most of my information is from the finnish newspaper articles written By University researchers specialized in Russian history and forgein policies and journalists specialized in Russian issues.)

      • Kaisa of Finland
        January 31, 2017, 7:48 pm

        And Annie: I am not here to spread negative information about Russia. Eventhough my grandparents faught in the war and they lost their siblings and friends in it, my generation has already lived further ’cause we were able to keep our independency and grow up in a free country (In most of the former Soviet countries the atmosphere is not the same). I would so much just want to live my life in peace and love my russian neighbours, even mister Putin, but he makes it really difficult because of his actions.

        When Trump was elected many of the former Soviet states got really afraid, that mr. Trump would make a deal and “sell them” to Putin, to get something he wanted, cause their defence relys on NATO forces and without U.S. support they’d be easly taken. Like Krim. So things are not that simple. That is what I want to say.

      • oldgeezer
        January 31, 2017, 10:35 pm

        @kaisa

        Welcome. I have no reason to dispute much of what you state. Not that I agree with it but I merely have no basis to disagree with it.

        I do take issue with the fairness of the vote but only to the extent that observers were invited but refused to participate.

        The result may or may not be invalid.

        What we do know is the legitimate leadership of the country was unconstitutionally overthrown. That the Russians did attempt to follow proper procedure in tes of the annexation. We will never know if it was a sincere attempt.

        As this is a blog on IP and the ME, we also know that the various annexations by Israel have never even made a pretense at following international law, explicitly violate international law and therefore are one of the many list items that make Israel a rogue state.

        I support sorting it, Crimea once we have sorted out the longer running and vastly more serious Israeli violations.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        February 1, 2017, 10:10 am

        oldgeezer: I 100% agree with you about Israel and it’s violations. I have lived in Israel and I’ve seen what is going on there. When I heard mister Trump was elected to be the next president of U.S.A. my first tought was that the real loosers of that election were Palestinians..

        I am afraid of what might happen during the next four years.

      • Talkback
        February 3, 2017, 4:45 am

        Kaisa of Finland “Tataars (I have no idea what they are called in english)”

        They are called specifically “Crimean Tatars” and make up to 12% of all Crimeans.

        “After the election the pro-russians declared that the result of the elctions was that 96,7 % of the voters wanted the Krim to be part of the Russia.. At least the tataars denied the result saying the voting percent was only 34,2%.”

        You got this wrong. 1.) It was Mustafa Dzhemilev, member of the Ukranian Parliament and former leader [!] of the Tartaran National Movement who claimed that 2.) the OVERALL Crimean participation was only 34,2% and not that only 34,2% of those who participated in these elections voted pro Russia. Almost all Tatars boycotted the referendum, but only 12% Crimeans are Tatars.

        “The elections were not legal (not even according to U.N.) and they were held By the pro-russians without real neutral supervision.”

        Yet multiple after election polls came to the same positive , allthough lower (around 80%) result.

  17. lyn117
    January 27, 2017, 12:19 pm

    After the Zionist wing of the Democratic party threw so many progressive (and not-so-progressive, like Obama) Democrats under the bus for not being pro-Israel enough, I don’t have any sympathy.

    I don’t know why “Israel’s interests” are so much more important to anyone than, say, Argentina’s or Bangledesh’s. Or more important than seeing something close to equal rights for Palestinians be enforced in Israel. Israel regards as its interest the theft of land from Palestinians and expulsion from their land. This isn’t something that should be on America’s priority list.

  18. Rashers2
    January 27, 2017, 6:51 pm

    David Ignatius, the Washington Post columnist, affirmed Flournoy’s view, saying a grand bargain with Russia could be “dangerous to Israel”: “Part of this rapprochement with Russia would include some understanding with Russia’s allies in Syria, Iran. That’s a very dangerous strategy for all the reasons we discussed, dangerous to Israel.”
    Roll on a “grand bargain with Russia”, eh?

  19. RoHa
    January 28, 2017, 12:33 am

    I think is would be disastrous for the US to damage its relationship with Israel just for the sake of better relations with piddling little countries like Russia and Iran.

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