‘Please remember the Montgomery bus boycott’– letter to Westchester County board before BDS vote tonight

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Tonight at 7 PM in White Plains, the Westchester County Board of Legislators will consider a resolution, passed 12-1 in committee, to reject the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS) as “a movement that seeks to undermine Israel and malign the Jewish people.”

What follows is a letter from Howard Horowitz of New Rochelle urging the board not to approve the measure, followed by an alternative measure put forward by Jewish Voice for Peace in Westchester that praises the BDS campaign and supports human rights and equality for all peoples in the region.

Dear Legislator [Sheila] Marcotte and the Westchester Board of Legislators,

Please vote your conscience and vote no on Resolution #10140, the Kaplowitz-Maisano bill, that was voted out of Legislative Committee and will now come before you on Monday evening, June 19th. Here are important facts and factors to consider:

Israel is in gravest danger from within, from its own actions. Owing much to US taxpayers who provide over $3 billion dollars in military aid annually (more than all other countries combined), Israel is strong, not weak, and the country is not in imminent danger. A vote for resolution 10140 will weaken the forces for peace as Israelis struggle against a vicious, right-wing government that lies to Americans and the world. How? The current Israeli government issues public statements to audiences in the US claiming it is for peace and the two-state solution, and immediately thereafter, Netanyahu delivers speeches in Hebrew to the settlers and their right-wing supporters endorsing the expansion of the settlements, declaring there will be no state for the Palestinians, and promising to break Palestinian resistance (as reported in the New York Times and Haaretz).

The proposed legislation before you has its origins in the right-wing Israeli government that does not share the values that Mr. Kaplowitz, Mr. Maisano and other legislators claimed for Israel during the Legislative Committee session. It comes out of a well-funded campaign to ensure resolutions like this one get brought before governors, state legislators, and county governments far and wide across the US. Some, in these times, would say that this type of “meddling” in our government processes is worthy of investigation into its sources.

As a member of the Jewish community, I am sorry, embarrassed and dismayed that AJC [American Jewish Committee] and WJC [World Jewish Congress] are participating in this resolution effort. This resolution will have harmful effects on democracy in Israel, no matter what anyone may think of BDS. To ensure that democracy is preserved, please vote no. In your public and leadership capacity—and especially in this age of Trump and Netanyahu—your right to free speech does not preclude your responsibility to base your important political decisions on the facts, not on propaganda emanating out of the Netanyahu regime in Israel.

The military occupation of Palestine is by definition undemocratic; Israel has absolute power as it violates international law by expropriating Palestinian land and rights and transferring them to settlers. Even in Israel proper, Palestinians are subject to housing and job discrimination much like African Americans experienced with the Jim Crow laws that were met by non-violent (and sometimes violent) civil rights protest. Was American democracy destroyed or saved by the protest against Jim Crow? Will Israel’s democracy be destroyed or saved by nonviolent protest—which is what BDS is—as it feels the economic pressure and hopefully receives the moral message?

Israeli military occupation generates insecurity by imposing rule on a population without the consent of the governed. We should condemn all forms of violence and in the tradition of Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King, we should demand, not condemn, nonviolent forms of resistance to bring about change.

Why then does Resolution #10140 condemn a non-violent form of protest to bring about the change that every single legislator must know deep down is essential in order for Israel to survive and thrive as a democracy?

Why does the current Israeli government feel so threatened by BDS that it sends agents and tens of millions of dollars far and wide across this country to lobby for anti-BDS legislation? This is a classic David and Goliath story. This legislative body and each legislator are under pressure by the Goliath that is being supported by the well-heeled AJC and WJC (of which my congregation is a member). There is a David in this story that is being silenced. BDS, whatever its flaws, is not, as you are being led to believe, a big money cabal against the Jewish people; it is a movement of people working to uplift the lives of the weak in the face of one of the strongest powers on earth and the big money politics arrayed against them. As you deliberate your vote, please follow the dictates of conscience and righteousness, not crude power and might.

Supporters of this resolution claim BDS singles out Israel. Is that what is happening here, or is Israel the one being given a pass for the transgressions of a military occupation? Please keep in mind that the countries invoked as “worse than Israel” are under sanctions and/or military siege by from the US government, the UN and the international community. Those countries include North Korea, Russia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Cuba, and Venezuela, among others. How exactly is Israel being singled out?

This one-sided resolution thoroughly condemns one side and completely praises the other side (please see below for an alternative that cares and does not condemn). This resolution is bad for both Israelis and Palestinians. Further, the resolution before you commits the unspeakable transgression of falsely claiming anti-Semitism, a hallmark of the propaganda of the Netanyahu government. Engaging in such false claims (“crying wolf”) pulls the rug out from combatting actual anti-Semitism that in these terrible times has reached into the White House.

Please do not fall for the propaganda. Please keep your moral compass in place and stand up to the political pressure. Please remember the Montgomery bus boycott, please remember the boycott of apartheid in South Africa, and please remember New York States’ boycott of anti-LGBT legislation in North Carolina. By passing this legislation, you would contradict your previous opinions and moral judgments regarding boycotts for civil and human rights.

Finally, this resolution is “foreign” to the business of Westchester County. Those lobbying you in favor of this resolution do not represent the liberal, progressive Jewish community of Westchester. I am a part of that community; that community has not been consulted. That community votes its liberal values, and they wish for Israel to live up to its claims to be a democracy. They, too, are silenced in their own community by the same forces and groups pushing this legislation. You can give them voice by voting no on Resolution #10140.

You have nothing to fear by voting against this resolution. Quite the opposite. If you vote in favor of this resolution, your constituents and your Jewish constituents will be disappointed that you did not stand up for what is right in this case. If you vote against this resolution, your constituents in Westchester County will hail you for standing up for democracy and for justice.

Please vote your conscience on Resolution #10104; please vote no.

Sincerely,

Howard Horowitz
New Rochelle, NY

The alternative resolution:

Alternative WBOL Resolution Proposed by Jewish Voice for Peace Westchester: Supporting Peace, Justice and Equality for Israelis and Palestinians and Robust Discourse:

WHEREAS, fifty years of occupation and settlements have devastated Palestinian lives, corroded Israeli democracy, and threatened the sustainability of the State of Israel; and

WHEREAS, for many years the stated policy of U.S. administrations has been that settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territories are illegal under international law and an obstacle to peace; and

WHEREAS, the ongoing occupation has fostered an international, nonviolent Boycott Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement in the United States and around the globe to protest the occupation and its devastating effects on Palestinians and their livelihoods; and

WHEREAS the right to boycott is protected under the First Amendment and was reinforced by the Supreme Court’s decision in N.A.A.C.P. v. Claiborne Hardware, Inc 458 U.S. 886.913 (1982), which clearly established that First Amendment protections apply to politically motivated boycotts aimed at influencing public policy and promoting social change; and

WHEREAS, we hereby recognize the danger to free speech of conflating legitimate criticism of a government’s policies with Anti-Semitism, Islamophobia or other forms of racism; and

WHEREAS, ending the occupation of Palestinian territory, recognizing the equal rights of Palestinian citizens of Israel, and respecting the rights of Palestinian refugees would foster dialogue to the benefit of both Palestinians and Israelis and bring about an end to boycotts directed at Israel; and

WHEREAS for decades Democrats, Republicans, and members of Congress have expressed criticism of Israel’s now nearly 50-year occupation of Palestinian lands but failed to back up that criticism with concrete steps to change the status quo and bring about a genuine peace process; and

Be It Therefore Resolved that the Westchester County Board of Legislators favors a U.S. policy that works through the United Nations and other international bodies as well as with Israel and the representatives of the Palestinian people for a just peace based on international law, human rights, full equality, and security for Israeli Jews, Palestinians, and all the peoples of this region.

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  1. AddictionMyth
    June 19, 2017, 3:17 pm

    LOVE the vigorous resistance. I would add that this resolution is likely to backfire by galvanizing support for BDS and radicalizing people and most of all turning off young Jews who many sympathize with the Palestinians and whose support Israel desperately needs for its success. And possibly even more important is to remember that top Nazi propagandists were radicalized under Weimar ‘blasphemy’ laws originally intended to protect the Jews from the blood libel. These kinds of things don’t end well. I’m not exactly the praying type but we could really use a miracle here. G-d I hope they reject this terrible idea!

    • genesto
      June 20, 2017, 12:31 pm

      Excellent point. The more Israel tries to censor us the better, in the long run, for BDS and the Palestinian justice movement. Let these spineless creatures try to imprison people who are simply trying to resist a brutal occupation. See where that gets them. Precisely to where Rosa Parks took the Civil Rights Movement in the late 50’s and 60’s. That’s where!

    • JustJessetr
      June 20, 2017, 7:40 pm

      That particular slice of rhetoric has been wrong for the past 50 years.

      Arguably, the life of Palestinians has grown worse by the day. Please point to one right won, one piece of land gained, or one dollar in a Palestinian’s pocket that is a result of boycotting Israel.

      Normalization and the 2SS is the way to go. It’s the only thing that will save the land and the dignity of the Palestinians, what little they have managed to hold onto under occupation.

      • RoHa
        June 20, 2017, 11:08 pm

        What do you mean by “normalization”?

        And Israel is the obstacle to the 2SS, not the Palestinians. From 1949 onwards, Israel has blocked the establishment of a genuine Palestinian state in the rump of the territory of the State of Palestine that was left after the Zionists seized part of it.

        http://original.antiwar.com/avnery/2011/09/18/sad-and-happy-about-palestinian-state-bid/

      • Mooser
        June 21, 2017, 12:28 am

        “Normalization and the 2SS is the way to go.”

        Tell it to the Israelis. You are telling us that because the Zionists don’t want to hear it.

      • JustJessetr
        June 21, 2017, 10:54 pm

        Aaaaaaaaand…no one can point out any such victories, large or small. All you can offer Palestinian’s is 50 years of the same rhetoric. So glad you are willing to fight to the last man, as long as that man is not you.

        Normalization: you know exactly what it means, because you rally against it. A peace deal for what’s left of the land, economic ties, an end to hostilities.

        And yes, Israeli resistance to peace is as much to blame as the Palestinian leadership. And the Arab/Muslim leadership across the globe in general. But Palestinians will never gain any kind of power until they gain economic power. Palestinian goods are available to sell in Europe and the US, and therefore they can be sold in Israel with an equal exchange of Israeli goods. While politics will attempt to warp all this, it’s really the only course to peace. It’s time to drop the dream of a 1SS and the hope that if Palestinians can wait it out long enough Israel will collapse under it’s own weight, or the US arms industry will stop it’s lobbying of Congress, or something equally ludicrous.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 22, 2017, 12:01 am

        Palestinians will never gain any kind of power until they gain economic power.

        which is exactly why israel strictly controls and rips off palestinian resources, profits off the the oppression and subjugation of the palestinian people and prevents them from gaining any kind of economic power!

        Israeli resistance to peace is as much to blame as the Palestinian leadership.

        lol! how generous of you! like wall street is as least as much to blame for real estate crash in 2008 as as the scores of minorities who lost their homes through crooked loans. j u s t s t o p

      • RoHa
        June 22, 2017, 1:26 am

        “Normalization:…A peace deal for what’s left of the land, economic ties, an end to hostilities.”

        But these are things the Israelis oppose.

        “Israeli resistance to peace is as much to blame as the Palestinian leadership.”

        No, Israeli resistance to peace is far more to blame, because it is the Israelis who have the power and the Israelis who committed the wrongs that the conflict arose from.

        “And the Arab/Muslim leadership across the globe in general.”

        The Arab League endorsed the 2002 Saudi Initiative, and then re-endorsed it in 2007 and 2017. This initiative offered exactly the sort of normalization you describe.

        It was rejected by the Israelis.

      • JustJessetr
        June 22, 2017, 4:06 pm

        That’s wonderful. Blame and boycotts. Keep up your losing strategy. You have nothing to lose except Palestine.

      • Mooser
        June 22, 2017, 5:32 pm

        “That’s wonderful. Blame and boycotts. Keep up your losing strategy. You have nothing to lose except Palestine.”

        Your concern for Palestinians is touching, very impressive.
        But not so much when I remember that Zionists are congenitally incapable of being influenced by self-interest, real or perceived.

      • Talkback
        June 22, 2017, 9:25 pm

        JustJessetr: “That’s wonderful. Blame and boycotts. Keep up your losing strategy. You have nothing to lose except Palestine.”

        That’s wonderful. Occupy and oppression. Keep up your losing strategy. You have nothing to lose except your soul, humanity, credibility and symapthy.

    • JustJessetr
      June 22, 2017, 5:12 pm

      @annie

      “lol! how generous of you! like wall street is as least as much to blame for real estate crash in 2008 as as the scores of minorities who lost their homes through crooked loans. j u s t s t o p”

      LOL. It’s just as generous for you to sacrifice Palestinians to a tactic (BDS) that has produced no results except false hope for a Palestine from the river to the sea and a 1SS.

      If the foundation of boycotts rests on Palestinian Civil Society, then at least admit what PCS actually is: 170 one-person NGO’s who are funded by Europe. Mostly the Dutch. PSC is not synonymous with the average Palestinian on the street. PSC are highly paid and living in some of the most expensive real estate in the world: Ramallah. Paid mouthpieces for others who would fight to the last Palestinian and not get in harm’s way themselves, much like yourself and Phil Weiss.

      And the 1SS solution is a long way from drawing support in the WB or Gaza, or even from any Palestinian political faction.

      MW is invested in the status quo, even more than Israel. It allows you to feel smug and self-righteous. At least Israel can claim that land is the issue. What’s your excuse? Human rights? I’ve never seen such a load of poisonous crap in my life when your poster-children suffer more and more each day in the vain hope that you and your fellows will come to the rescue.

      50 years is enough to state that boycotts simply do not work in this case, because they never have.

      • Annie Robbins
        June 22, 2017, 5:42 pm

        jj, the dutch?? lol, you must have heard the excellent news that broke today: Largest Israeli Public Transportation Company Loses Netherlands Contract Worth 190 Million Euros Following Campaign by BDS Activists for Palestinian Rights!! https://bdsmovement.net/node/19164?utm_content=bufferf4e28&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

        ouch! i know this will cheer you up! try looking on the bright side!

        Last month, Egged Bus Systems (EBS), a subsidiary of Egged Israel Transport Cooperative Society, Israel’s largest public transportation operator, lost a bid for a decade-long contract to run public transportation in the North-Holland region of the Netherlands, which includes the country’s capital, Amsterdam. This contract was valued at 19.1 million euros a year, with a total worth of 190.1 million euros.

        Egged Bus Systems lost this lucrative bid after Dutch BDS activists launched a campaign charging its Israeli parent company with facilitating grave violations of Palestinian human rights and international humanitarian law.

      • JustJessetr
        June 22, 2017, 11:08 pm

        And how does this and other successful boycotts of Israeli business earn the Palestinians one parcel of land, one human right, or one coin in their pocket?

        It doesn’t, it never had and never will. BDS is not about Palestinian rights. It’s strictly anti Israel, which is not the same thing.

      • JustJessetr
        June 22, 2017, 11:20 pm

        Hmm. No quotes in that article from those who rejected the bid. Not sure I would just take BDS central’s word for it. So the failed bid came after BDS activists waged a campaign. One doesnt prove the other.

      • JustJessetr
        June 22, 2017, 11:36 pm

        And actually the news broke 10 days ago. So you’d think that a fervent European BDS activist would have been able to supply a meaningful quote from North Holland adminstrators by now. But no such luck. I remain unconvinced. Just because I went out with my umbrella doesn’t mean I can claim on the internet that I made it rain.

        https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1948187702088754&id=1535858456655016

  2. JLewisDickerson
    June 19, 2017, 3:37 pm

    In addition to being the 1960s home* to Rob, Laura and Ritchie Petrie of the Dick Van Dyke Show, as well the birthplace in the 1970s of the Scarsdale diet; Westchester County is also home to the Trump National Golf Club Westchester, a very private golf club in Briarcliff Manor, New York.

    I recall seeing something on YouTube fairly recently wherein one of Trump’s sons was giving a tour of the Westchester facilities. The highlight was the Gents restroom, lockerroom, showers, etc. where the young Trump proudly explained that the Trump Organization used only 24K gold-plated plumbing fixtures, never 14K or 18K. He was literally beaming with pride as he explained this.

    * located in New Rochelle, Westchester Co. (not nearby White Plains, as I earlier misstated)

  3. JWalters
    June 19, 2017, 7:03 pm

    My profound thanks to Howard Horowitz for this excellent explanation of reality. He lays the issues out lucidly, and presents the facts that are being hidden from the public. I hope these legislators will have minds open to the truth, and the courage to resist the financial and emotional pressures to bury it.

    For those legislators who could use some further background information on the history Mr. Horowitz describes, the following are useful articles.
    Terrorism: How the Israeli state was won
    http://mondoweiss.net/2017/01/terrorism-israeli-state
    Rabbis want to criticize Israel but fear donors (and NYT buries the news)
    http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/rabbis-criticize-donors
    Let’s talk about Russian influence
    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/08/about-russian-influence/
    Why Not a Probe of ‘Israel-gate’?
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/20/why-not-a-probe-of-israel-gate
    War Profiteers and the Roots of the War on Terror

    • JosephA
      June 19, 2017, 10:23 pm

      Bravo, Mr. Horowitz, for so eloquently and logically presenting your point of view. It covers the bases accurately, historically, politically, socially, and morally. Thank you, sir!

      • RoHa
        June 20, 2017, 2:24 am

        Indeed.

        And if I had to choose between the chances of that alternative resolution being passed and those of the proverbial snowball in Hell, my money would be on the snowball.

  4. Citizen
    June 20, 2017, 3:58 am

    Howard Horowitz–thank you! Your letter is excellent.

  5. Emet
    June 25, 2017, 10:15 am

    Montgomery, you are joking of course. If you bring up Montgomery in connection with Palestinians being associated with Blacks in the USA, then you have the protagonists of this story switched. The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs. It was the Arab Palestinians that prevented Jews from buying land. It was the Arabs who kept on attacking Jews. It was the Jordanians Arabs who banned Jews from visiting the holy sites. Its was the Arabs who destroyed synagogues in the Old City. Philip Weiss has his wires crossed it seams.
    And don’t forget to mention that historically Arabs have not treated Blacks well. In fact they have treated Blacks appallingly with the slave trade as being one of their “hobbies”.

    • Mooser
      June 26, 2017, 10:48 am

      “The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs”

      Oh, shoot, the neighbors are going to call 911 and swear they hear hyenas at Moosehall again.

      “Emet” get a clue.

      OH, BTW, “Emet”, could you clear something up for us? Thanks! This is where I get confused: What reaction are you hoping for when you comment here? Are you trying to convince us and make us understand Zionism, or scare us with Zionism’s power and implacability? Both, maybe?

      • Emet
        June 26, 2017, 11:32 am

        Mooser, you are supporting a cause that is not deserving and is driven by hate. You should rather spend your time pushing the Palestinians to make real concessions.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 12:52 pm

        ” Mooser, you are…/…you should…”

        Listen to you? Why?

      • amigo
        June 26, 2017, 3:06 pm

        “What reaction are you hoping for when you comment here .” Mooser

        Emet is on a one man mission to change world opinion re Zionism . His problem is he had no idea the world was so full of antizionists (antisemites) .

        But you got to give him credit for his tenacity if not for the reliability of his claims.

        As they say in Blighty , “Some muvvers do ave em.”

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 5:40 pm

        “But you got to give him credit for his tenacity if not for the reliability of his claims.”

        “Emet” likes it here because instead of telling him what Zionism can not do we tell him what Zionism should not do.
        And then “Emet” (or any of that herd of ilk) glories in Zionism’s intransigence,
        And that makes him feel powerful.

        Again, at most Zionist sites, they likely would try and moderate or exclude views like his, if only out of concern for Zionism’s image. So he comes here, and thinks he is powerful because Mondo allows him to publish things which make Zionism look really bad and stupid.

      • RoHa
        June 26, 2017, 7:24 pm

        “Mooser, you are supporting a cause that is not deserving and is driven by hate. ”

        Everyone accuses everyone else of hate, nowadays. Try to come up with something original.

        “You should rather spend your time pushing the Palestinians to make real concessions.”

        So far the Palestinians have recognised Israel, given up 78% of their historic homeland, and agreed to only a token Right of Return. Time for them to make some real concessions.

      • Jon66
        June 26, 2017, 9:37 pm

        Roha,
        “So far the Palestinians have recognised Israel, given up 78% of their historic homeland, and agreed to only a token Right of Return. Time for them to make some real concessions.”

        Which Palestinians?
        “Hamas says it accepts ’67 borders, but doesn’t recognize Israel”
        http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/01/middleeast/hamas-charter-palestinian-israeli/index.html

      • Sibiriak
        June 26, 2017, 10:26 pm

        Jonathan Cook:

        [Shawqi Issa, a Palestinian analyst and former government minister in the Palestinian Authority] believes the outlines of a US-Israeli-Saudi-Egyptian plan for the Palestinians are starting to emerge.

        It would offer Hamas a mini-state in Gaza, under Egyptian oversight , cementing the enclave’s separation from the West Bank, he said. Egypt and Saudi Arabia would use former Gaza strongman Mohammed Dahlan, a rival to PA president Mahmoud Abbas, as their intermediary.

        Earlier this month Hamas leaders met Dahlan in Cairo. Egypt reportedly wants Dahlan to oversee Gaza in return for alleviating the mounting humanitarian crisis there.

        In return Arab states would pump millions into the economy , while Egypt would open its Rafah crossing to Gaza and increase the electricity supply to the enclave, relieving its current power blackouts.

        Ben Caspit, an Israeli analyst, referred to a “secret program” last week that would involve the US, Europe, Egypt and the Gulf states.

        He cited an Israeli military source stating that they would seek to pressure Hamas into agreeing to a long-term ceasefire and moves towards demilitarisation in return for aid.

        Issad said: “The crisis in Gaza gives Hamas an excuse for signing on to a bad deal, saying its people can’t live like this forever. And Israel will be able to tell the world the Palestinians have a state.”

        As for the West Bank, Issa suggested the slivers of territory there currently under nominal Palestinian control would, on the Israeli-US plan, become Jordan’s responsibility.

        “The danger is Amman won’t be able to resist the pressure when it comes from SaudiiArabia, Egypt, Israel and the US,” he said.

        https://zcomm.org/znetarticle/egypt-saudi-red-sea-islands-deal/
        (emphasis added)

      • amigo
        June 27, 2017, 5:35 am

        “Which Palestinians?
        “Hamas says it accepts ’67 borders, but doesn’t recognize Israel”.Jon 66

        Care to show us a map of this so called Israel.

        Care to show us where Israel accepts the State of Palestine.

        “a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”

        b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel. The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”

        c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”

        d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting.”

        So while Netanyahu wants no pre-conditions from the Palestinians going into “negotiations” his party charter and ideology says otherwise.

        Likud Party Charter”

        http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netanyahu%E2%80%99s-party-platform-flatly-rejects-establishment-of-palestinian-state/

        Note , that Cherter has not changed.

      • amigo
        June 27, 2017, 5:55 am

        Jon 66.

        Likud charter.

        “http://mondoweiss.net/2011/11/netanyahu%E2%80%99s-party-platform-flatly-rejects-establishment-of-palestinian-state/

      • Jon66
        June 27, 2017, 8:54 am

        Amigo,
        How does any of that pertain to the fact that there is certainly not an agreed upon Palestinian recognition of Israel as Roha stated. Do you have anything that confirms Roha’s assertion?

      • Talkback
        June 27, 2017, 1:59 pm

        jon66: “Which Palestinians?”

        The State of Palestine which became a UN non member state in 2012 was declared within 67 lines.

        jon66: “Hamas says it accepts ’67 borders, but doesn’t recognize Israel”

        So what’s your point? That they ddon’t accept that Israel gets 78% although Hamas accept 67 lines?

      • Jon66
        June 27, 2017, 4:10 pm

        Talkback,
        My point.
        Roha-“So far the Palestinians have recognised Israel”
        The statement is false.

      • echinococcus
        June 27, 2017, 5:01 pm

        All right, now Jon-sixty-some found a new BS to harp on. Let’s see how many will fall for it –no matter that there is no obligation to “recognize” the Zionist entity to enter any compromise with it.

      • just
        June 27, 2017, 5:11 pm

        “How Many Times Must the Palestinians Recognize Israel?

        Netanyahu’s new ‘Jewish state’ mantra negates the fact that Palestinians recognized Israel more than twenty years ago. They’re still waiting for Israel to recognize Palestine.”

        read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.579701

      • amigo
        June 27, 2017, 5:53 pm

        Jon 66 , why do you treat stupidity as if it is a virtue.Is it intentional and is it a zionist trait.There is certainly sufficient evidence of such in the comments you and the other zio contributors post here.

        When Israel recognises the State of Palestine , you can squawk and moan about who recognises so called Israel , not that it matters . It,s existence is temporary and the sooner it disappears , the better this world will be even, if we have to grow our own cherry tom,s.

      • Jon66
        June 27, 2017, 10:07 pm

        Amigo,
        I’ll try one last time. Hamas, the government of about half of the Palestinians, does not recognize Israel. I’m not making the point that they should, but rather contradicting the assertion that the “Palestinians recognize Israel”.

      • RoHa
        June 28, 2017, 3:47 am

        Yes, Jon, Palestinian recognition of Israel has not been universal and wholehearted. The PLO and then the PA have recognized Israel. Hamas (once supported, if not created, by Israel as a counterweight to the annoyingly accommodating PLO) does not. It is, however, prepared to work with the 1948 boundaries. Even this counts as a concession.

        But what concessions does Emet want?

      • Annie Robbins
        June 28, 2017, 4:24 am

        But what concessions does Emet want?

        he wants to blather on about palestinians not existing (“Arab people you call Palestinians”….”Palestinians have zero historical claims” etc) while jon keeps hammering away about the occupied not recognizing the colonizer (and they should why? the first time palestinians coughed up recognition israel changed the demand and wanted recognition of israel as “jewish”. which is a sadistic demand of the thieves/occupiers. seriously, if hamas said we recognize israel they’d just come back with

        ‘not enough! now recognize how jewish your palestinian land is!!’ — or some such ridiculous garbage.

      • Talkback
        June 28, 2017, 2:21 pm

        jond66: “alkback,
        My point.
        Roha-“So far the Palestinians have recognised Israel”
        The statement is false.”

        The PLO is recognized as the sole representative of all Palestinians which recognized Israel in 1993 and Hamas is not a member.

    • Talkback
      June 26, 2017, 11:06 am

      Sheqer: “The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs.”

      ROFL. This must be the most ridiculous lie I have ever read about Zionist settler colonialism.

      Sheqer: “It was the Arab Palestinians that prevented Jews from buying land.”

      This anticolonial policy by the natives of Palestine was understandable given the goal of Zionist settler colonialism to take over Palestine “dunum by dunum” like they said. Little did the natives know that Zionist would use war, terrorism, massacres and expulsion as means of acquisition, too.

      But please tell us, if Nonjews in Israel are allowed to buy more land than the 7% Zionist bought in Palestine. And please tell us, if Israelis collectively own the rest or only the Jewish “people”. And please enlighten us how the Jewish National Fund uses its share to make sure that land is only developed for Jews and swaps it with state land to develop it somewhere else. Like black struggle, right?

      Sheqer: “It was the Arabs who kept on attacking Jews.”

      Unfortunately a reaction to Jewish settler colonialism which was enforced upon the natives by British and later by Jewish violence, terror and war. But please tell us if the “Arabs” acts of violence can even be compared to the Jewish terror capagne which started in the late 30s when Zionists where confronted with the White Book which announced that the mandated State of Palestine would be released into independence until 1949 and Jewish immigration reduced, then stopped and then decided by Arab Palestinians.

      Sheqer: “It was the Jordanians Arabs who banned Jews from visiting the holy sites.

      It is the Israeli Jews (including Arab Jews) who prevent Christians and Muslims from visiting the holy sites nowadays.

      Sheqer: “Its was the Arabs who destroyed synagogues in the Old City”

      It is the Israeli Jews (including Arab Jews) who have destroyed more than 1000 mosques in historic Palestine and keep destroying them.

      You are such a poor victim fighting for equal rights, aren’t you?

      • Emet
        June 26, 2017, 2:06 pm

        Talkback, you should carry a shovel with you wherever you go.

        Here’s one for you. Do you know what sector in Israel today owns a greater percentage of private land? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not the Jews.

        Carry on with the lies. “It is the Israeli Jews who prevent Christians and Muslims..”.
        You know very little of what is really going on.

        By the way, what percentage of the land, by your reckoning, is it okay for Jews to own? By your answer others may begin to understand the intransigence of the Arabs and why it was the Arabs who chose violence over compromise. Do Jews have right to live as independent people in their history homeland? If your answer is yes, then we can continue the discussion. If you answer is no then we understand that there is no other option than living by the sword in this violent region as your views reflect the short sighted majority of your brothers and sisters.

      • eljay
        June 26, 2017, 2:34 pm

        || Emet: … Do you know what sector in Israel today owns a greater percentage of private land? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not the Jews. … ||

        You’re right – according to jpost.com, it’s the “Jewish State”:

        As much as 93 percent of the land in Israel is either owned or managed by the state. This structure, which historically was meant to protect and keep Israel a “Jewish state” …

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 4:15 pm

        “Do Jews have right to live as independent people in their history homeland? If your answer is yes, then we can continue the discussion. If you answer is no…”

        “Emet will ban you from Mondo!

        “If you answer is no then we understand that there is no other option than living by the sword”

        Yeah, yeah, the same sword you will use to cut “Talkback” off from the discussion?

        “Live by the sword” WAFJ! See you at the Masadadammerung!

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 4:24 pm

        “owns a greater percentage of private land? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not the Jews.”

        Gee, and I thought the % private Jewish ownership of land was what gave Zionists the right to Palestine.

      • Talkback
        June 26, 2017, 4:31 pm

        Sheqer: “Do you know what sector in Israel today owns a greater percentage of private land? I’ll give you a hint. It’s not the Jews.”

        My questions are, if Nonjews in Israel are allowed to buy more land than the 7% Zionist bought in Palestine and if Israelis or Jews collectively own the non-private land in Israel. Is it to embarassing for you to tell the truth?

        Sheqer: “Carry on with the lies. “It is the Israeli Jews who prevent Christians and Muslims..”.
        You know very little of what is really going on.”

        We allready talked about the plank in your eye:
        https://www.google.de/search?q=israel+prevents+christians

        Not to mention that Israel prevents Palestinians from their fundamental right to self determination.

        Sheqer: “By the way, what percentage of the land, by your reckoning, is it okay for Jews to own?”

        Every land they legally acquire by legal means. Neither by conquest nor by dispossession. How much do you think that is?

        Emet: “By your answer others may begin to understand the intransigence of the Arabs and why it was the Arabs who chose violence over compromise.”

        Just tell us how Jews acquired more than the 7% they privately owned in 1948 and how they acquired the rest, because they wanted to create a state. And how they achieved to become a majority. In fact by my answer othery may begin to understand why it was the Jews who chose violence over coexistence.

        Emet: “Do Jews have right to live as independent people in their history homeland? If your answer is yes, then we can continue the discussion. If you answer is no then we understand that there is no other option than living by the sword in this violent region as your views reflect the short sighted majority of your brothers and sisters.”

        First, there is no “discussion”. I’m only debunking your lies. Second. I won’t answer a question that is based on your judeocentric racism and the complete denial who was in fact living in this territory for thousands of years. The term “history homeland” says everything. Your nonsensical approach that people who claim to be descendants of those who allegedly lived there (despite 1000 years of proselytism and the fact that “exile/diaspora” is a hoax which Israeli historians can’t prove) thousands of years ago would have more more rights to call it their homeland than people who can prove that they and their descendants lived during this time is as racist as pathetic.

        Just ask yourself if the citizens of Palestine (Jewish and Nonjewish Palestinians), that is the constitutive people who could legally call Palestine their homeland in 1948 had the right to self determination and to decide the future of Palestine by a referendum that is a democratic majority decision. If your answer is no and its only about Jews your views reflect just a different kind of racism and fascism that Nazism is known for. It is not a coincidence that Israel also makes a distinction between citizens and nationals.

        The mere fact that you are talking about my alleged “brothers and sisters” shows me that you are not even able to view the issue from a universal moral point of view. And that shines through everything you say. It’s just about Jews, Jews, Jews and Jews and never about humans and their fundamental and civic rights.

      • eljay
        June 26, 2017, 5:13 pm

        || Emet: … Do Jews have right to live as independent people in their history homeland? … ||

        Do the Jews who were part of the indigenous population of Palestine living in or up to n-generations removed from the region have a right to live as equals with their non-Jewish counterparts in the region?
        – Yes.

        Do people who choose to hold the religion-based identity of Jewish – citizens of their respective historic homelands all over the world – have a right to a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine?
        – No.

    • eljay
      June 26, 2017, 11:15 am

      || Emet: … The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs. … ||

      So…Jewish supremacists in a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” have more in common with struggling American blacks than do…
      – second-class non-Jewish Israelis;
      – non-Jewish non-Israelis living under Israel’s military and colonialist jackboot; and
      – hundreds of thousands of non-Jewish Israeli and non-Jewish non-Israeli refugees.

      Huh.

      Dude, you’re seriously losing your sh*t.

      • Emet
        June 26, 2017, 2:21 pm

        eljay:
        The Whites in the US are a majority. The Arabs in the Middle East are a majority.
        Whites thought they were superior. Muslims believe they are superior and act this way.
        Jews are persecuted for being Jewish. Blacks have been persecuted for the color of their skin.
        Jews were prevented from living and working in places. Same with Blacks.
        Jews came from the lands the Palestinians want.

        The Palestinians, many of whom came from surrounding countries, where not persecuted by anyone other than their Muslim brothers. Each Muslim side thought and thinks he is superior to the other (Sunni/Shiite, Arab Muslim/Non-Arab Muslim, Turkish/Iranian).

        Do you want me to go on.

      • amigo
        June 26, 2017, 3:17 pm

        “Do you want me to go on.” Emet.

        A superfluous question .

      • eljay
        June 26, 2017, 3:19 pm

        || Emet: eljay … The Whites in the US are a majority. The Arabs in the Middle East are a majority. … ||

        The Middle East? You were talking about the Jews in Israel. According to Wiki, they comprise ~75% of the population of the “Jewish State”.

        I know, that’s not quite the black underclass you were hoping for. But no-one ever said aggressor-victimhood was easy.

        || … Do you want me to go on. ||

        With the foolish game you’re playing? No thanks.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 4:28 pm

        “Jews were prevented from living and working in places. Same with Blacks.”

        Yup, when even English-language Zionist sites (G-d alone knows what kind of crap they tell each other in Hebrew) want nothing to do with them, they come here.

        Imagine trying to sell that line about Jews and “Blacks” at The Forward or Haaretz. They wouldn’t put up with it. So they come here.

      • Talkback
        June 26, 2017, 5:18 pm

        Emet: “Whites thought they were superior. Muslims believe they are superior and act this way.”

        Yes, they must think that they are chosen. Pathetic, isn’t it?

        Emet: “Jews are persecuted for being Jewish. Blacks have been persecuted for the color of their skin.”

        And Palestinians are kept expelled by Jews, because they aren’t Jews.

        Emet: “Jews were prevented from living and working in places.”

        The Jews in Palestine even created the worker union “Histradut” to drive Nonjewish workers away. And until today they keep Palestinians expelled, denationalized and dispossesed.

        Emet: “Jews came from the lands the Palestinians want.”

        Palestinian were living in and on the land Jewish foreign settlers wanted and still want.

        Emet: “The Palestinians, many of whom came from surrounding countries, …”

        ROFL. Like all of the Jews who came from surrounding continents since mandate times? You still fail to recognize that the only criteria that legally counts is who was a legal citizen of Palestine in 1948. Most of the Jews weren’t. They had no political rights in Palestine and to decide its future.

        Emet: “Do you want me to go on.”

        Like a true Zionist you will repeat the same BS over and over again and if confronted with a counter argument you will just shift the issue.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 6:20 pm

        “Muslims believe they are superior and act this way.”

        “Emet” please remember the comment rules at Mondo. Nobody can say anything worse about Jews than what we say about them.

    • Mooser
      June 26, 2017, 12:57 pm

      “The Jews in Israel have more in common with the Black struggle in the USA than do the Palestinian Arabs”

      Ah, now I understand why “yonah” is always referring to Malcom X.

      • Talkback
        June 26, 2017, 5:27 pm

        I think that there’s no greater insult to Blacks and their struggle and especially those who suffered from colonialism then to compare them with Zionists and their settler colonialism. That just shows what a twisted evil mind Emet is.

      • Mooser
        June 26, 2017, 6:08 pm

        Next “Emet” will tell us that Zionist Jews have more in common with the Native Americans than Palestinians do.

      • YoniFalic
        June 27, 2017, 4:37 am

        Older Zionist propaganda tried to market Zionism to Americans by analogizing Zionist pioneers (white racist genocidal European settler colonist invaders) to cowboys and by assigning the role of Indians (native Americans) to the Palestinians.

      • Mooser
        June 27, 2017, 11:49 am

        “to market Zionism to Americans by analogizing Zionist pioneers (white racist genocidal European settler colonist invaders) to cowboys”

        Yippie-I-Oh-Oy-Oy!

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