As Israeli soldiers crushed Gaza, world Jewry united, and sent Ben & Jerry’s ice cream to the front

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Today is a Jewish holiday of reflection, Tisha B’Av, commemorating the destruction of the temples, and the Times of Israel posted a piece about Jewish unity during the last Gaza war: “Ben & Jerry’s on Tisha B’av?! Lessons from the 2014 Gaza War.” A former combat officer during the Gaza onslaught, Yaakov Selavan relates that his troops were buoyed again and again by the generosity of global Jewry because Jews were unified during the war– when more than 2200 Gazans were killed, most of them civilians, including 500 children; and about 70 Israelis were killed, six of them civilians.

Selavan says the Israeli troops got a flood of love from around the world.

During those days when we awaited the order to enter and destroy the terror tunnels, we began getting a trickle of love, which turned into a flood. Thousands of packages were reaching us every day; hundreds of visitors were treating the troops…

He says that Jews were “one” against “our enemies,” we were family and “saw the beauty in each other,” and the lesson is we must not be divided.

[I]n the two biggest tragedies our nation went through in the past 2,000 years, the destruction of the Second Temple and the Holocaust, we were divided and separated into sectors, and even in crisis we refused to unite.

In 2014, we were one. We shook off the dust of thousands of years, and could look beyond the facades of politics and sectors. We suddenly saw the beauty in each other, we suddenly understood: we are a family, no matter how different we are. So, now that I can say in the time of crisis, when our enemies remind us we are one, we have learned to love and unite…

The Ben & Jerry’s ice cream was a gift from South African Jews.

The morning before Tisha B’av a truck full of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream was sent to us by a South African community. After finishing my fourth box, just an hour before the fast, we got a message that there was a ceasefire, and it was final.

And the piece concludes with a religious message:

In the rebuilding of Jerusalem we shall be comforted.

These are explosive materials: The unification of Jews worldwide behind a state committing a massacre on a religious-ethnic basis; and the invocation of religion to justify that violence. One of our themes here is the potentially explosive nature of Israeli political culture; the mixture of nationalism and superiority and militarism that Israeli Jews have evolved in a fortress-like state in a bad neighborhood cannot work out well.

The Ben & Jerry’s ice cream surely came from nearby. Ben & Jerry’s has a plant in Israel and sells ice cream in the settlements.

Vermonters for a Just Peace organized a boycott of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream because of that plant and those sales to the settlements — and the 2014 onslaught that Selavan is consecrating:

VTJP’s thinking on the necessity for a boycott reached a tipping point during Israel’s military assault against Gaza in the summer of 2014. 2,200 Palestinians were killed and more than 11,000 wounded. The casualties were overwhelmingly civilians.

Because Gaza’s morgues could not handle the horrific carnage, bodies of dead children and babies had to be stacked temporarily in ice cream freezers prior to burial.

While this massacre of innocents was being carried out, Ben & Jerry’s “peace & love” ice cream was passing through Israeli checkpoints, being transported on Jewish-only roads, and being sold to supermarkets and for catered events in Jewish-only settlements.

A “massacre of innocents.” But Jews “suddenly saw the beauty in each other.” These two views are incompatible. I urge my community to reflect on the damage of unifying behind an ideology of us-against-the-world, with guns and God.

Thanks to Todd Pierce.

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  1. eljay
    August 1, 2017, 9:54 am

    … We suddenly saw the beauty in each other …

    Oppression, colonialism, (war) crimes and supremacism deliberately and unapologetically committed by and for Jews.

    Beauty only a Zionist could love.

    • Misterioso
      August 2, 2017, 4:46 pm

      @eljay, etal

      Please watch this video. It will do you good.

      July 28/17

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUyen_dIEcY

      “Iconic girl from 2006 Gaza beach massacre graduates”

      • eljay
        August 2, 2017, 9:03 pm

        || Misterioso: @eljay, etal

        Please watch this video. It will do you good. … ||

        The strength of this girl and her mother is to be admired and respected. I admire and respect it.

  2. Mooser
    August 1, 2017, 11:34 am

    .” I urge my community to reflect on the damage of unifying behind an ideology of us-against-the-world, with guns and God”

    You are right. This is not the time. We should wait just a few years until we’ve really got ’em outnumbered, and boxed in.

    • Citizen
      August 3, 2017, 8:22 am

      Time to honor that 1962 FARA order for AIPAC, as part of AZC entity, to register?

  3. yonah fredman
    August 1, 2017, 2:47 pm

    Although insecurity regarding the regime in Cairo explains some of the delay, the refusal of israel to find some modus operandi vis a vis hamas in Gaza that allows for the free flow of gazans to egypt and allows for the movement of people and goods into and out of gaza on a reasonable basis, indicates that Israel is in no hurry to alleviate the gaza situation because the status quo is known and the effects of such an agreement are unknown. Given this attitude I must recoil at the readiness of israel to wreak such destruction on gaza, without any hope on the horizon provided.

    The words of this blogger are not encouraging, it is easy to find hard headed non thinkers in the blogosphere, and phil has found one. It is not a war of ideas to attack a blogger like this. It is an opportunity for a pat on one’s own back. Oh look, how unreasonable. But there is a problem and it is not this blogger. it is the lack of conscientious leadership that is the problem. God and guns is not a good mix, I encourage young jews to read a lot, so that the simplistic views of bibi and phil weiss will become insufficient.

    • Mooser
      August 1, 2017, 5:44 pm

      “The words of this blogger are not encouraging,”

      “Yonah” the man is expressing his “essence” and “self-identity”! How dare you try to stuff him back into the ghetto of stunted Jewish self-expression. Yaakov Selavan also provides a model for Zionist youth.

      . “God and guns is not a good mix,”

      “yonah” what’s gotten into you? What happened to the “Three Strong Premises” and the end of Jewish powerlessness (and best of all, the end of Jewish powerlessness over Jews!). C’mon keep repeating: ‘First you’re powerless, and then you fight, than you form a Jewish State, and everything’s all right.’

    • rosross
      August 2, 2017, 9:31 pm

      Palestinians living in the Gaza concentration camp do not want to go to Egypt, a foreign country, they want to be able to live in Palestine, even Occupied Palestine, instead of being imprisoned by Israel in a concentration camp.

  4. DaBakr
    August 2, 2017, 2:32 am

    There are no such thing in israel as “jewish only roads”. Lie

    • Cliff
      August 2, 2017, 9:19 am

      sure there is

      israel is a racist apartheid state too, so its not even unreasonable to assume as much

    • festus
      August 2, 2017, 10:36 am

      Are the settlements in Israel? If so, then clearly there are Jewish only roads and Jewish only housing in Israel. If the settlements are not in Israel, then they are clearly illegal.

    • Mooser
      August 2, 2017, 12:27 pm

      “Zzzzzz, snort, zzzzz, There are no such thing zzzzz, in israel as “jewish only, snooooooort, roads”. Lie zzzzzz”

      You should do something about that sleep apnea, “Dabakr”.

    • rosross
      August 2, 2017, 9:30 pm

      So, those roads on which only Jews can travel and from which non-Jews, Palestinians, are barred are not Jew-only roads connection Jew-only settlements where non-Jews cannot live?

      So, what are they then? Or has Israel opened the roads and settlements to non-Jewish Palestinians? That should be celebrated. Can you confirm it?

  5. genesto
    August 2, 2017, 5:35 pm

    I was, at first, tempted to issue some black humor in response to this story. But, upon further reflection, I decided there was nothing humorous to say. Mr. Selavan reminds me so much of the frightening Col. Ofer Winter, one of the ‘heroes’ of the 2014 slaughter and, for all but the most extreme Zionists ,a religious fanatic and certified madman reminiscent of some of the worst of the most famous Nazi war criminals.

    How long can Israelis continue to deny this descent into hell their ‘fatherland’ is taking them? Hopefully, for everyone’s sake, not too much longer.

  6. echinococcus
    August 2, 2017, 7:19 pm

    I urge my community to reflect on the damage of unifying behind an ideology of us-against-the-world, with guns and God

    Urging is useless, as long as you call the tribals “my community”. As long as your community is determined by stone-age criteria of tribe or “blood” relationships or superstitious belief instead of political and intellectual affinities, you remain part of this hell.

    What this murderer is telling you is how the Zionists manage to harass everyone to death, steamroll all opposition, govern the US, and massacre the locals: they switch on “your community” and its tribal feelings, making that “community”, if not directly mass murderers, at least accessories who collect murder money and send ice cream. You should listen to the murderer.

  7. mcohen..
    August 3, 2017, 12:26 am

    it is naive to think that Jews in the diaspora will not support Israel in times of war.sure in peace time all views can be considered and debated.a just solution can be strived for.here is the full article of how the south african community stopped the war in Gaza and brought a ceasefire..

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/writers/yaakov-selavan/

    • amigo
      August 3, 2017, 3:01 pm

      “2. There are no Jewish-only roads in Israel.” jon s

      Can you provide a map of this so called Israel.Your fellow zioapollos seem to think it includes all of the WB and Gaza and the stolen Syrian Heights and the illegally annexed city of Jerusalem.

      BTW , The Settlements are “Illegal”. Do you believe otherwise.

      • jon s
        August 3, 2017, 3:41 pm

        Amigo,
        As you should know by now I oppose the occupation and the settlements and support the two state solution, which is based on the pre-1967 lines, with mutually-agreed adjustments.
        The settlements are indeed illegal under international law. I’ve never said otherwise.
        What are zioapollos?

      • Mooser
        August 3, 2017, 7:08 pm

        “As you should know by now I oppose the occupation and the settlements”

        That’s why “Jon s” lives in a settlement, Beersheba, which is a hotbed of Jewish terrorism against Palestinians.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 2:44 am

        jon s: “As you should know by now I oppose the occupation and the settlements and support the two state solution, which is based on the pre-1967 lines, with mutually-agreed adjustments.”

        That’s very generous of you that the thief can keep 80% of his theft and most Palestinians expelled. And with “mutually-agreed adjustments” you mean that Israel can keep Palestinians occupied until they agree to any violation of their rights that Israel demands and that every settlement you oppose becomes a part of Israel, right?

        Gotta love the two staters and their implicit support for permanent injustice until it is finally accepted by its victims. Isn’t Israel like a cannibal who demands from its victim to recognize his right to cannibalism and after the victim has allready lost both legs and an arm and begs to keep the other the cannibal is nodding and smiling while slowly chopping off its fingers?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 4, 2017, 5:27 am

        blood libel!

        where’s talknic? i miss talknic.

      • jon s
        August 4, 2017, 8:39 am

        talkback,
        We’re not thieves in our historic homeland.
        “Mutually agreed” means just that. Adjustments agreed to by both sides.
        I don’t think that the settlements should become part of Israel. That would pretty much prevent the two state solution.
        As to your gory simile , I’d rather not comment.

      • eljay
        August 4, 2017, 9:20 am

        || jon s: … We’re not thieves in our historic homeland. ||

        Geographic Palestine is not the historic homeland of people all over the world – in and from homelands all over the world – who chose and choose to be/come Jewish. The Zionist project was and remains based on theft (and colonialism and supremacism).

      • MHughes976
        August 4, 2017, 11:27 am

        Missing talknic – me too.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 12:22 pm

        “We’re not thieves in our historic homeland.”

        Oh, give that idiotic “historic homeland” a rest. You weren’t even born there. But I get it “Jon s”, you’re saying that even tho you never sacrificed a thing for Israel, you deserve part of the booty of Zionism.

        A grown man, babbling the militant slogans used to indoctrinate little children, or excuse a marauding colonist army.
        Who refuses to recognize there can be any point of view but a Zionist one, if he insists upon it. Ingenuously parading his sense of superiority and entitlement. It’s embarrassing. He’s a cracker trying to pass itself off as a matzoh.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 12:38 pm

        Annie Robbins: “blood libel!”

        What blood lible? I never said that Cannibalism is something that Jews are as Jews. I was talking about the state of Israel in its current sitution towards the Palestinians. Or do you want to imply that this is something genuinely Jewish?

        You are toying with me, arent’t you?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 6, 2017, 12:35 pm

        yes i was ;)

        the “Isn’t Israel like a cannibal” set me off.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 12:40 pm

        eljay: “The Zionist project was and remains based on theft (and colonialism and supremacism).”

        In that case it needs to be dismantled like the Boers’ project in South Africa.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 1:00 pm

        “where’s talknic? i miss talknic.”

        He was here as late as July 23rd. Perhaps we will hear from him again soon.

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 1:16 pm

        jon s: “We’re not thieves in our historic homeland.”

        It’s called historic, beecause it is not your present, unless you are a descendant of an Ottoman Jew who became Palestinian.

        jon s: “As to your gory simile , I’d rather not comment.”

        It’s very accurate, isn’t it? But you could give at least an antisemitic intepretation to support Zionism.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 3:21 pm

        “As to your gory simile , I’d rather not comment.”

        You tell ’em “Jon s”! We are aidel gepotchket and don’t go in for gory similes. Nor do we have sex nearly half the time, unlike some people we could mention.

      • eljay
        August 4, 2017, 3:55 pm

        || Talkback: eljay: “The Zionist project was and remains based on theft (and colonialism and supremacism).”

        In that case it needs to be dismantled like the Boers’ project in South Africa. ||

        I agree that the Zionist project – Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine – must end / be brought to an end.

        And I’ve stated my opinion – which Palestinians are entirely free to accept, reject or ignore – on how I think the end of the Zionist project should come about.

        You and echinococcus have made it clear that you disagree (to put it mildly). I honestly couldn’t care less.

        So please do continue jerking each other off while calling me and my ideas foolish, pathetic, lame, crypto-Zionist, whatever. I won’t bother to respond to your or his comments anymore.

  8. jon s
    August 3, 2017, 3:54 am

    1. Tisha B’Av is not a “holiday”. It’s a day of fasting and mourning , a day for reflecting on the disasters asssociated with the day.

    2. There are no Jewish-only roads in Israel.

    3. The Hamas terrorists bear a large measure of responsibility for the civilian deaths in Gaza because of their strategy of using schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian residences for military purposes.

    4. Ben & Jerry’s plant is in Israel, not in the settlements. Many other international corporations have such facilities here: Coke and Pepsi, Unilever and Nestle, Intel and Google and Microsoft and so on. Why pick on the ice cream? As to selling in the settlements: everyone does. All the corporations I mentioned, all the car makers… I haven’t heard of any companies who won’t sell their stuff there (except for McDonald’s, thanks to the owner).
    I don’t understand the focus on Ben & Jerry’s.

    • Boris
      August 4, 2017, 12:31 pm

      I think it is very clear – Ben and Jerry’s are Jews, and Jewish kapos hate strong Jews.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 1:04 pm

        “and Jewish kapos hate strong Jews.”

        Oh yeah, you an “Jon s” just oooze “strength”, “Boris”.
        You’re both some bad-enough hombres.

        “Boris” if you haven’t met “Jon s” here is his Zionist creed:

        “As you should know by now I oppose the occupation and the settlements and support the two state solution, which is based on the pre-1967 lines… The settlements are indeed illegal under international law.”
        “Jon s”

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 1:44 pm

        Boris: “I think it is very clear – Ben and Jerry’s are Jews, and Jewish kapos hate strong Jews.”

        You gotta do something about your addiction to antisemitism, Boris.

        Their Israeli franchise sells ice cream in illegal settlements. That’s why they are boycotted.

      • Boris
        August 4, 2017, 2:40 pm

        Looser,

        Work on your reading comprehension.

        Obviously, I was writing about Ben and Jerry, not myself and Jon.

      • Boris
        August 4, 2017, 2:44 pm

        @Talking behind

        All your comments are nothing but hot stinky gasses.

        They are not the only company dealing with Jews who live in Judea and Samaria. The question was why they were selected.

        Understand the subject being discussed before shooting from your arse.

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 3:25 pm

        Looser”

        “Boris” when it comes to spelling, you’re not good enough.

        “Obviously, I was writing about Ben and Jerry, not myself and Jon.”

        You bet, because you and “Jon s” who is a“long-time activist on the Israeli Left” would be at each other’s throats in no time.

      • Boris
        August 4, 2017, 5:12 pm

        Moser,

        If Jon S has any brains left, then after visiting this site he will be moving to the right.

        BTW, how is my spelling this time?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 6:15 pm

        “If Jon S has any brains left, then after visiting this site he will be moving to the right.”

        Oh, “Boris”, you know the Israeli Left. He won’t.
        They appease the Arabs, and the American Left and would sacrifice the settlements for their own convenience. What do they care? “Jon s” has a ticket out, an American passport.

        And you can tell that “Jon s” is always trying to weaken the Zionist narrative to please liberal left-wing Americans, like the ones “Jon s” caters to, ties himself in knots to please here. Who needs that?

      • Talkback
        August 5, 2017, 1:11 pm

        Boris: “: “They are not the only company dealing with Jews who live in Judea and Samaria. The question was why they were selected.”

        They are not the only company that is targeted dealing with illegal settlers that illegaly settle in occupied territories and illegaly acquire its resources why illegaly preventing the occupied from accessing them under an illegal occupation. What a bunch of racist criminals, aren’t they, Boris?

        Boris: “@Talking behind”

        All your comments are nothing but hot stinky gasses. … Understand the subject being discussed before shooting from your arse.”

        Mhm. Is it “Anal fixation, Militarism and other pathological reasons for Zionist Nationalism amongst Russian illegal settlers in Palestine”?

    • Talkback
      August 4, 2017, 1:38 pm

      jon s: “There are no Jewish-only roads in Israel.”

      That’s true, cause “Judea and Samaria” are not in Israel.

      jon s: “3. The Hamas terrorists bear a large measure of responsibility for the civilian deaths in Gaza because of their strategy of using schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian residences for military purposes.”

      Are you saying that Israel fires on schools, hospitals mosques and civilian residences allthough they know that they are going to kill civilians?

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 4:08 pm

        “Are you saying that Israel fires on schools, hospitals mosques and civilian residences”

        “Jon s” on Hamas. It’s all their fault.

    • Annie Robbins
      August 5, 2017, 4:26 pm

      Many other international corporations have such facilities here: Coke and Pepsi, Unilever and Nestle, Intel and Google and Microsoft and so on. Why pick on the ice cream? As to selling in the settlements: everyone does. All the corporations I mentioned, all the car makers… I haven’t heard of any companies who won’t sell their stuff there (except for McDonald’s, thanks to the owner).
      I don’t understand the focus on Ben & Jerry’s.

      once i had the opportunity to query a leader of the bds movement and i asked a question similar to this, why or how they chose to target a particular product. at that time i think it was ahava. the answer i got was that it requires a lot of resources to organize and target a certain brand. and i recall one of the terms used was “low hanging fruit”, as opposed to a company like coca cola which would require a massive effort to rebrand.

      sometimes it has to do with particular activists on the ground, like who is going to spearhead that particular target? for example, code pink spearheaded the ahava action and they did it under advice from the israeli group — i believe called women in black but don’t quote me on that, but i was there, in israel, w/code pink at the inception. anyway, if an activist group from a certain region wants to take on a corporation w/facilities in their region — say a weapons manufacturer, it makes more sense w/activists on the ground to focus on that corporation than one headquartered in vermont. but for vermont bds activists it makes perfect sense. and it makes perfect sense for bay area activists to spearhead the targeting of hewlett packard because their headquarters is here. and they (HP) , like veolia, are not “low hanging fruit”, nor are the bay area activists targeting HP inexperienced newbies to the bds movement, the way code pink was when they targeted ahava. Unilever was targeted by local dutch activists at their headquarters in the netherlands and pulled their earlier settlement investment, we covered it here http://mondoweiss.net/2013/02/unilever-settlement-production/. i’d imagine once unilever purchased ben and jerry’s dutch activists became more active but i don’t know if they have ben and jerry’s in the netherlands. for vermont activists to take on a multi million dollar business like ben and jerry’s — that’s impressive.

      i hope that’s helpful. there is not just one determining factor why a certain brand is targeted and another not, lots of brands are targeted and certain activist communities have more experience, organizational skills, creativity and even more clout within the movement than others. targeting a large corporation requires more mobilization than targeting a small (low hanging fruit) company, i would imagine. the objective is having the biggest impact you can reasonably expect to have and succeeding vs biting off more than you can reasonably chew. it’s not to ask why focus on ice cream, better to ask why not focus on ice cream? as time goes on and the movement gets bigger more companies will be targeted.

      i don’t ever purchase ben and jerry’s, and ice cream is my favorite food.

      • echinococcus
        August 5, 2017, 5:10 pm

        Thanks so much for the info, Annie.

        I’d love to hear from any major campaign targeting the Zionist entity itself rather than things related to post-1967 additional conquests, as per “liberal”-Zionist policy. I know that the “official” boycotters have finally agreed to boycott the Zionist entity in toto; now wondering if any action followed.

        This post-1967 stuff is getting on the nerves: lots of people, like me, have always boycotted and shunned anything even remotely “Israel” before there was any 67, and we continue to strongly encourage people to join. The first answer we almost always get nowadays is “But that’s not in the settlements!”

      • Annie Robbins
        August 5, 2017, 5:55 pm

        my pleasure echi.

        lots of people, like me, have always boycotted and shunned anything even remotely “Israel” before there was any 67, and we continue to strongly encourage people to join.

        do you have links where people “join”? is there a particular corporation/company you’ve targeted for boycott that’s not “post-1967 stuff” that doesn’t stress your “nerves”? are there compiled lists of israeli companies you recommend “targeting the Zionist entity” (itself) for boycott. can you direct us to even one boycott website that meets your non post-67 approval?

      • echinococcus
        August 5, 2017, 6:19 pm

        Annie,

        You join by not buying, as you may have guessed, and you are evading. I asked for news of “official” boycott actions on the Z entity, is all. And you don’t have to try to defend any group.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 6, 2017, 1:09 am

        so that would be a “no”, you have no particular corporation/company you’ve targeted for boycott. no compiled lists of israeli companies you recommend “targeting the Zionist entity” (itself) for boycott. you can not direct us to even one boycott website that meets your approval.

        how illuminating.

        You join by not buying

        oh please. the leader of the only organized palestinian boycott said “Boycotting an egg is always fine, as a first step, if this is all one can do” but there is no other palestinian “boycott” to join other than the bds movement. the same movement, one presumes, that gets on your nerves. http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/movement-interview-barghouti/

        omar barghouti:

        The rights stated in the BDS call are non-negotiable, as they constitute the minimal requirements for the Palestinian people to exercise its inalienable right to self-determination. But the tactics and actions of boycott, divestment and sanctions are of necessity context-sensitive. Activists and partner groups in any given context decide what to boycott and how. Some partners, like the American Studies Association, adopt a full boycott of Israel in a certain field, while many others adopt selective boycotts of or divestment from companies illegally operating in the occupied Palestinian territory. As long as our three rights are upheld, we work with both ends of the spectrum and everything in between.

        you are evading… and you don’t have to try to defend any group.

        i’ll defend the bds movement til the cows come home because i WANT to, because it is the ONLY boycott in town. there’s no “lots of people, like me” you who operate outside the bds movement and there are lots of people, like me, inside the bds movement who do not purchase israeli goods and are full spectrum.

        “official” boycotters have finally agreed to boycott the Zionist entity in toto; now wondering if any action followed.

        no action by you obviously. you can’t name even one action by one group you’ve participated in that meets your standards, not one group anyone can “join”. you’re just pretending to be purer or better or more dedicated than “official” bds activists — and you’re a total fake. how is your purity working for you and how can you mobilize and grow without a name or a site. you think your little private boycott is somehow superior? what a joke.

        do you fool anyone here?

      • jon s
        August 6, 2017, 1:33 am

        Annie,
        “Ahava” products come from a West Bank settlement , Ben& Jerry’s facility is in Kiryat Malakhi, inside the Green Line ( I go by there quite often). So boycotting B&J isn’t “impressive”, in my opinion, it just doesn’t make sense.

      • echinococcus
        August 6, 2017, 4:18 am

        Annie,

        All that is fine and beautiful, but not an answer. I take it all the action remains limited to post-67 occupation as per liberal-Zionist specifications, and the years pass, and the only organized game in town remains the one based under the invader’s direct control.

        None of this is a takedown of the people who work (and risk a lot) in it –it just indicates a howling unmet need. No call to getting aggressive. I hope that this site is not exclusively reserved to senseless repetitive skirmishing with braindead Zionist low-life and that one can still discuss sore spots and kick around ideas.

      • Mooser
        August 6, 2017, 11:24 am

        “I asked for news of “official” boycott actions on the Z entity”

        You got “Annie” now, “Echin”! I really doubt there will be any “official” boycotts, that is, US government sanctions on the Z entity any time soon. BTW, the word “official” first appears in your comment.

      • Talkback
        August 6, 2017, 11:52 am

        jon s: “Ben& Jerry’s facility is in Kiryat Malakhi, inside the Green Line ( I go by there quite often). So boycotting B&J isn’t “impressive”, in my opinion, it just doesn’t make sense.”

        Again, they created a franchise called “Ben & Jerry’s ISRAEL Ltd.” in Israel.

      • Annie Robbins
        August 6, 2017, 12:32 pm

        i’m not here to jump through your hoops echi, if you’re curious about specific targets go to the bds website and it’s clear not all the actions listed “remains limited to post-67 occupation”. the targeting of g4s is not limited to “post 67”, as it doesn’t pertain to infrastructure based solely on “post 67”, the targeting of musicians playing in tel aviv, the targeting of pinkwashing and gay pride parade is not “post 67″and in the example i already posted from omar’s words, i think i bolded it, makes another example. there are also businesses targeted because they fund the israeli army, this is not “post 67” either.

        you made a claim and did nothing to support — no links nothing, and you want me to counter it and provide some kind of proof, i am not going to do it, it’s stupid. i don’t care that the most longstanding efforts by the bds movement directly target companies (israeli, international, or otherwise) who directly profit off the occupation and are directly complicit in the oppression of palestinians. the occupation is pervasive , it’s current and it’s now.

        and while it might be your focus to insult the movement and position yourself in some kind of more morally sound opposition (“people, like me, have always boycotted and shunned anything even remotely “Israel” before there was any 67″…..” “official” boycotters have finally agreed to boycott the Zionist entity in toto”) and yet oddly, you can’t name or link to even one website or action that meets your purity standards. you made this claim about yourself and others but aside from supposed acts of “shunning”, where’s the meat? there is none. you’re on your pedestal knocking organized actions and efforts based on location or time based and cannot seem to list even one company you boycott that targets “the Zionist entity”. so tell me what you boycott. what in your private life do you (and your alleged cadre of “lots of people”) not purchase because you are targeting “the zionist entity”?

        None of this is a takedown of the people who work (and risk a lot) in it –it just indicates a howling unmet need.

        so what are you and the “lots of people” you referenced going to do about that unmet need? because it appears from your lack of evidence you done.. nothing but some “shunning”.

  9. Elizabeth Block
    August 3, 2017, 4:53 pm

    I bought myself some Ben & Jerry ice cream as a birthday treat. I won’t do it again.

    • jon s
      August 4, 2017, 12:41 am

      Elizabeth,
      Then you should also boycott Google, Microsoft, Intel, unilever, nestle, all the car makers, all the major airlines…

      • Mooser
        August 4, 2017, 12:27 pm

        “Then you should also boycott Google, Microsoft, Intel, unilever, nestle, all the car makers, all the major airlines…”

        I agree, “Jon s”. It’s about time we stopped this whole “minority” charade (we can’t fake the numbers much longer) and came out as who we are!

      • Talkback
        August 4, 2017, 1:46 pm

        What do you want to say jon s? That Jews control so much that it is futile to boycott Israeli products?

      • echinococcus
        August 5, 2017, 5:16 pm

        Talkback,

        What do you want to say jon s? That Jews control so much that it is futile to boycott Israeli products?

        Not totally wrong, though. What with all-sides aggressive US policy, we may be getting close to the situation the West Bank and Gaza slaves are in.

    • jon s
      August 6, 2017, 12:34 pm

      Talkback,
      Asolutely, that’s what I meant . Just like there’s Google Israel, CocaCola Israel, Intel Israel , McDonald’s Israel, etc.
      Or another example, Microsoft:

      http://www.microsoftrnd.co.il/Pages/default.aspx

      They all do business here. What’s so special about Ben&Jerry’s?

      • Annie Robbins
        August 6, 2017, 1:01 pm

        What’s so special about Ben&Jerry’s?

        it seems like you’re willfully ignoring points already made jon. who made the claim ben and jerry’s was special? the whataboutery reminds me of “why target israel, but what about saudi arabia and syria” etc etc. as long as saudi arabia chops people’s heads off why focus on palestine. gee, with this kind of thinking why bother making anything better because there is always something worse in the world.

        barghouti stated “Activists and partner groups in any given context decide what to boycott and how.” new companies are targeted when someone initiates a campaign. some get more traction than others. just because no one has started a campaign to target intel or google doesn’t mean the companies won’t come under pressure in the future. all it takes is one local activist group to zero in on those companies.

      • Mooser
        August 6, 2017, 2:22 pm

        “They all do business here. What’s so special about Ben&Jerry’s?” “Jon s”

        “Jon s” your real Israeli buddy “Boris” already told us:

        “I think it is very clear – Ben and Jerry’s are Jews, and Jewish kapos hate strong Jews.”

      • jon s
        August 8, 2017, 6:48 am

        Annie,
        I was just looking for some logic and consistency where there apparently isn’t any.

      • Mooser
        August 8, 2017, 1:12 pm

        “I was just looking for some logic and consistency where there apparently isn’t any.”“Jon s”

        “I think it is very clear – Ben and Jerry’s are Jews, and Jewish kapos hate strong Jews.” “Boris”

        Isn’t that all the Zionist logic and consistency you need? What does it lack? You’ve got “Strong Jews” vs. “Jewish kapos ” who hate them. What’s missing?

  10. JosephA
    August 4, 2017, 5:54 am

    Jewish Only Road: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.740971

    ^^^^^ For Jon S.

  11. jon s
    August 4, 2017, 4:39 pm

    talkback,
    As I said I’m puzzled by what makes Ben & Jerry’s special. They sell ice cream to the settlers, same as Toyota sells them cars, Kellogs sells them cornflakes, Turkish Airlines sells them tickets and so on.

    I don’t recognize what you call “Judea and Samaria” including Hebron as a part of Israel.

    Civilian facilities such as hospitals, mosques and schools should not be targetted . However, if they are being used as launching sites, weapons depots and such -they may lose their immunity.

    • Mooser
      August 4, 2017, 5:59 pm

      “I don’t recognize what you call “Judea and Samaria” including Hebron as a part of Israel.” “Jon s”

      “Boris” isn’t that typical of the Israeli Left? I mean the way “Jon s” (who is not even a sabra!) immediately tries to score points by putting down real Israelis, real Zionists.
      “Boris” you are right, these liberal Leftist Israelis will gleefully sacrifice Judea, Samaria and Hebron to preserve their own comfortable lives. They want to give away everything you have lived for and fought for! Will the Leftists let settlers move into their Beersheba suburbs when the settlers are ethically cleansed from their homes in Judea Samaria and Hebron?

    • Talkback
      August 5, 2017, 1:23 pm

      jon s: “As I said I’m puzzled by what makes Ben & Jerry’s special. ”

      They created a franchise called “Ben & Jerry’s ISRAEL Ltd.” in Israel.

      “Civilian facilities such as hospitals, mosques and schools should not be targetted. However, if they are being used as launching sites, weapons depots and such -they may lose their immunity.”

      The question is if Israel can rule out that civilians are going to be killed, if it targets Cvilian facilities with ammunition that doesn’t differentiate between combatants and civilians. If it knowingly kills civilians in the process it may be a war crime.

  12. catalan
    August 6, 2017, 1:35 pm

    The boycott of Ben and Jerry is so interesting – they are massive supporters of Bernie Sanders and it is heartwarming to see his supporters split now over this. Like Soda Stream, Unilever – the owners of Ben and Jerry are doing fantastic. This suggests that these boycotts actually help companies.

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