UN rapporteur urges sanctions on Israel for driving Palestinians ‘back to the dark ages’

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Last week there was a significant development in the international response to the Israeli occupation when the UN rapporteur for human rights in the occupied territories came out with a harsh report saying the world was too passive about the occupation.

The “duration of this occupation is without precedent or parallel in today’s world,” the report said. Israel has “driven Gaza back to the dark ages” due to denial of water and electricity and freedom of movement. There is a “darkening stain” on the world’s legal framework because other countries have treated the occupation as normal, and done nothing to resist Israel’s “colonial ambition par excellence,” which includes two sets of laws for Israelis and Palestinians.

At a press conference about his report, S. Michael Lynk, a Canadian professor of law and human rights expert, said it is time the international community reach into its “toolbox” of enforcement mechanisms, so as to “raise the stakes” against the occupation and change international “opinion” of Israel. The country had been worried by the Goldstone Report in 2009 and is today worried by the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (BDS), Lynk said; so if the international community took “unified actions on an escalating basis” to declare the occupation illegal and demand Israel’s withdrawal, Israel would respond.

That means sanctions.

Israel is very dependent upon trade with the outside world, it’s very dependent upon its market with the United States, it’s very dependent upon its market with Europe. If there was an understanding that all of a sudden Israelis wanting to travel abroad needed to have visas, if all of a sudden Israel wasn’t going to get preferential trading agreements with the EU. If all of a sudden, the many and multitude of forms of military or economic cooperation or academic cooperation with Israel were now going to come to an end as long as Israel continued that,  I think you’d begin to see a sea-change in the attitude of ordinary Israelis and in the attitude of the Israeli government…. Every journey of 1000 miles begins with a single step.

“I didn’t use the word boycott,” Lynk said in the press conference, though he called for a refusal to purchase settlement goods.

He got an immediate reaction. US ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley on Friday said that the U.S. was “deeply disturbed” by Lynk’s report and by his support for “economic and academic boycott” of Israel. The Jerusalem Post turned on Lynk for seeking to turn Israel into a “pariah state” (don’t worry, it’s happening on its own).

Lynk’s report is the big news here. Its characterization of Israeli actions in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza as flagrant violations of international law that are causing huge suffering that the world ignores, along with its implicit endorsement of BDS, are as important an intervention as earlier efforts by Richard Goldstone and Jimmy Carter.

As Peter Belmont wrote on his blog, Lynk is seeking to revive the dead letter of the two-state solution:

Prof. Lynk may have come up with a powerful reason for the nations to act together with a program of minimal steps which they might take while getting up the nerve and determination to take really effective steps—sanctions against Israel to compel Israel to comply with [international law]. Such sanctions, one supposes, could result in bringing the occupation to an end…. Voilà! A two-state solution!

Israel refused Lynk access to the occupied territories. Here are excerpts from the report that convey its emphatic character.

The occupation affects all of Palestinian life:

The human rights and humanitarian law violations associated with the occupation impact every aspect of life for Palestinians living in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and Gaza

Gaza is in misery:

In addition, water supplies are at risk, with most homes receiving water through the piped network for only a few hours every 3-5 days, while the desalination plants are functioning at only 15 per cent of their capacity. More than 108 million litres of untreated sewage were reportedly being discharged into the Mediterranean every day…

In August of 2017, five cancer patients died while awaiting permits to travel for needed care

The settlements have choked the two state solution and threatened human rights.

[T]he two state solution [is] on life support, with a fading pulse…

The world just treats Israel as the lawful occupant of the West Bank and East Jerusalem.  This represents an “abject failure” of international law and “a darkening stain.”

This is the longest-running military occupation in the modern world. Notwithstanding insistent calls by the international community, most recently in 2016, that the Israeli occupation must come to a complete end, that many of its features are in profound breach of international law, and that its perpetuation both violates the fundamental right of the Palestinian people to self-determination and undermines the possibility of a two-state solution, it has become more entrenched and harsher than ever. Indeed, the Israeli occupation has become a legal and humanitarian oxymoron: an occupation without end.

Thirty-seven years ago, in June 1980, the Security Council – sufficiently alarmed by the duration and severity of the occupation and Israel’s defiance of prior resolutions – adopted Resolution 476. At the time, the Israeli occupation was already thirteen years old. In its 1980 resolution, the Security Council reaffirmed “…the overwhelming necessity to end the prolonged occupation of Arab territories…by Israel” and “strongly deplore the continuing refusal of Israel to comply with the relevant resolutions of the Security Council and the General Assembly.”

The inability to end the Israeli occupation has been an abject failure of international diplomacy, a darkening stain on the efficacy of international law and the source of multiple broken promises to the Palestinian people. Nor does the prolongation of this occupation serve the people of Israel, for it corrodes their society and their public institutions by entangling them in their government’s drive to foreclose a viable and just solution to the half-century of occupation and the century-long conflict, and makes them the beneficiaries – unwittingly or not – of a profoundly unequal and unjust relationship.

The prevailing approach of the international community has been to treat Israel as the lawful occupant of the Palestinian territory, albeit an occupant that has committed a number of grave breaches of international law in its conduct of the occupation, including the settlement enterprise, the construction of the Wall, the annexation of East Jerusalem and the systemic violations of Palestinian human rights. In the view of the Special Rapporteur, while the lawful occupant approach may have been the appropriate diplomatic and legal portrayal of the occupation in its early years, it has since become wholly inadequate both as an accurate legal characterization of what the occupation has become and as a viable political, diplomatic and legal catalyst

It’s a colonial project, par excellence:

The duration of this occupation is without precedent or parallel in today’s world.

The only credible explanation for Israel’s continuation of the occupation and its thickening of the settlement regime is to enshrine its sovereign claim over part or all of the Palestinian territory, a colonial ambition par excellence. Every Israeli government since 1967 has pursued the continuous growth of the settlements, and the significant financial, military and political resources committed to the enterprise belies any intention on its part to make the occupation temporary…

It’s apartheid, though Lynk doesn’t use that word.

According to recent reports by the World Bank and the United Nations, the expanding Israeli settlement enterprise and the supporting apparatus of occupation has deepened the already separate and distinctly inferior civil and economic conditions imposed upon Palestinians in the West Bank. There, the Palestinians are subject to a harsh and arbitrary legal system quite unequal to that enjoyed by the Israeli settlers.

And ethnic cleansing, though he doesn’t use that word either:

Israel employs practices that in some cases may amount to the forcible transfer of Palestinians, primarily those living in rural areas, as a means of confiscating land for settlements…

As for East Jerusalem, the occupation has increasingly detached it from its traditional national, economic, cultural and family connections with the West Bank because of the Wall, the growing ring of settlements and related checkpoints, and the discriminatory permit regime…

The dark ages line. Gaza is unique in the world for suffering a decline in GDP in the last 11 years:

Israel has maintained a suffocating economic and travel blockade that has driven Gaza back to the dark ages. More than 60 per cent of the population of Gaza is reliant upon humanitarian aid, it is unable to secure more than one-third of the electrical power that it requires, it will soon exhaust its sources of safe drinking water, and, virtually unique in the world, its gross domestic product is actually lower than it was in 2006…

The international community refused to impose the “robust tools” of law to counter these human rights abuses:

the international community recoiled from answering Israel’s splintering of the Palestinian territory and disfiguring of the laws of occupation with the robust tools that international law and diplomacy provide. International law, along with the peoples of Palestine and Israel, have all suffered in the process.

We need international pressure:

[The world must] devise and employ the appropriate diplomatic and legal steps that, measure by measure, would completely and finally end the occupation. As Amos Schocken, the publisher of Ha’aretz, has written about his own country’s leadership: “…international pressure is precisely the force that will drive them to do the right thing.”

Lynk likens the occupation to the South African occupation of Namibia, which was ruled illegal, and calls for an International Court of Justice opinion stating that every bit of the occupation, not just the settlements, is illegal. That would lead to a wideranging program of sanctions:

A determination that Israel’s role as occupant is now illegal would serve several significant purposes. First, it would encourage member states to take all reasonable steps to prevent or discourage national institutions, organizations and corporations within their jurisdiction from engaging in activities that would invest in, or sustain, the occupation. Second, it would encourage national and international courts to apply the appropriate laws within their jurisdiction that would prevent or discourage cooperation with entities that invest in, or sustain, the occupation. Third, it would invite the international community to review its various forms of cooperation with the occupying power as long as it continues to administer the occupation unlawfully. Fourth, it would provide a solid precedent for the international community when judging other occupations of long duration. Most of all, such a determination would confirm the moral importance of upholding the international rule of law when aiding the besieged and the vulnerable.

Lynk is essentially endorsing BDS. The story has not been covered in the New York Times or other leading U.S. papers, yet.

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  1. eljay
    October 31, 2017, 12:30 pm

    … The only credible explanation for Israel’s continuation of the occupation and its thickening of the settlement regime is to enshrine its sovereign claim over part or all of the Palestinian territory, a colonial ambition par excellence. …

    Jewish supremacism in/and a religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in as much as possible of Palestine is the Zionist dream…and the nightmare of geographic Palestine’s non-Jews.

    • MHughes976
      October 31, 2017, 1:08 pm

      Zionism has always been a claim about Jewish rights in all, not just in some, of the Holy Land, the religious and moral arguments connecting the people to the land being the same in every foot’s length. This is, I suppose, an important reason why the 2ss is so constantly aborted.

      • jon s
        November 2, 2017, 3:37 am

        MHughes,
        You may find this interesting:

        https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.818795

      • MHughes976
        November 2, 2017, 9:48 am

        Thanks, jon, at first sight comprehensive, fair-minded and well written. I’ll read it through again more carefully. Mind you, I think that Finkelstein regards himself as centrist rather than minimalist like the hard cores in Copenhagen and Sheffield.

      • eljay
        November 2, 2017, 10:38 am

        || jon s: … https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/1.818795 ||

        … At an event marking 50 years of settlement a few weeks ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did not dwell on the nuances of the archaeological debate. “What has enchanted me more than anything was the simple, clear and distinct fact that we are walking in the paths of the Bible,” Netanyahu stated. “Here, right here, the fathers of our nation trod the paths from Hebron to Jerusalem. Near here, in Bethlehem, King David was born. There he was anointed king, and not far from here David fought Goliath, the Hasmoneans fought the Greeks and Bar Kochba – the Romans.” Maybe he did. Maybe not.

        Either way, the religion-based identity of Jewish does not grant to those who choose to hold it a right to a colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” in Palestine or anywhere else.

    • JLewisDickerson
      November 2, 2017, 9:34 am

      ■ AUDIO (90 min): “Can an Occupation Become Unlawful? Israeli practices in the Palestinian territories and third party responsibilities”
      LSE – London School of Economics and Political Science

      Speaker(s): Professor Michael Lynk, Dr Valentina Azarova, Dr Federica Bicchi, Dr Victor Kattan, Hugh Lovatt
      Chair: Professor Toby Dodge

      Recorded on 15 June 2017 at Wolfson Theatre, New Academic Building
      [Editor’s note: We apologise for the poor audio quality of this podcast.]
       DownloadMP3 Audio

      The Israeli-Palestinian conflict presents us with a paradox. While it has generated notable developments in international law, it seems to be unaffected by international law.

      Closing this apparent gap requires an examination of what international law stands for in the current situation, when Israel’s presence in the occupied Palestinian territories shows every sign of permanence. What has UN Security Council Resolution 2334 added to the debate? How should we assess the lawfulness of Israeli practices in the occupied territories? Has Israel’s prolonged occupation become illegal? And what does this mean for Palestinian rights and third state responsibilities? This lecture, followed by the discussants’ comments and Q&A, will be the opportunity to analyse concepts and issues from an academic perspective.

      • Michael Lynk is Associate Professor at the Faculty of Law, Western University, in London, Ontario.

      • Valentina Azarova (@ValentinaAzarov) is Postdoctoral Fellow at the Centre for Global Public Law, Koç University, Istanbul.

      • Federica Bicchi is Associate Professor of International Relations at LSE.

      • Victor Kattan (@VictorKattan) is Senior Research Fellow at the Middle East Institute and an Associate Fellow at the Faculty of Law at the National University of Singapore.

      • Hugh Lovatt (@h_lovatt), Policy Fellow and Israel/Palestine Project Coordinator for ECFR’s Middle East and North Africa Programme.

      • Toby Dodge (@ProfTobyDodge) is Professor of International Relations and Director of the Middle East Centre at LSE.

      The Department of International Relations (@LSEIRDept) is now in its 89th year, making it one of the oldest, and largest in the world.

      Event posting

       MP3 ► https://richmedia.lse.ac.uk/publiclecturesandevents/20170615_1830_canAnOccupationBecomeUnlawful.mp3

      SOURCE (WITH PLAYER) ► http://www.lse.ac.uk/website-archive/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=3844

  2. Kay24
    October 31, 2017, 5:35 pm

    Israel is either “bombing Gaza to the dark ages”, or “driving Gaza back to the dark ages”. There is something vicious and evil, about Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. That said, it won’t be too long for Michael Lynk, to be accused of, you guessed it, being “anti-semitic”.
    Richard Falk, United Nations Special Rapporteur on “the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967. learnt that the hard way.

    No credible, qualified, or rational official, can criticize Israel for it’s sorry treatment of the Palestinians, and not be accused of anti-semitism. That is the only way to silence those who speak the truth.

    • Emory Riddle
      October 31, 2017, 6:06 pm

      Isn’t it about time we treated accusations of anti-semitism like the cynical ploy they are and start bringing legal consequences to those people who so readily smear and malign people? Is this not “hate speech”?

      • pabelmont
        November 1, 2017, 8:41 am

        Can’t you just imagine the false brayers of the “anti-Semitism” canard, if adequately faced down, saying, “Oh, I’m so sorry I called you an anti-Semite, but, you know, I get so emotional when Israel is attacked that I cannot reason anymore, my ability to discern flies right out the window, and I just react by calling out “anti-Semitism” to the attacker of Israel. I really cannot help myself. I am a victim of past anti-Semitism, and in particular of The Holocaust ™, I’m really the victim here, not this person whom I have just insulted. What I just said is NOT a hate-crime; if a crime at all it is a victimization crime with me as the victim.”

        Yeah, sure. Years and years of Pavlovian training to feel a victim of anti-Semitism when Israel is attacked had nothing to do with it.

      • Noodles
        November 1, 2017, 10:38 am

        Two can play at the anti-Semitism game. I’m waiting for the time when Not in My Name and True Torah Jews get it together and say that anyone who disagrees with them is anti-Semitic. Why should the government of Israel have all the fun? There is no such thing as a Jewish pope so True Torah Jews have just as much right to say what is true Judaism and by extension what is anti-Semitism as the government of Israel.
        True Torah Jews and Not in My Name could sue Israel, with good reason, for defamation of character. The govt of Israel endangers Jews worldwide by using the biggest media system on the planet to tell the whole world what a Jew is supposed to be and than committing war crimes that make them as popular as AIDS in a bath house. This is endangerment and identity theft.

      • eljay
        November 1, 2017, 12:15 pm

        || Noodles: … The govt of Israel endangers Jews worldwide … ||

        All Zionists anti-Semitically endanger Jews by deliberately conflating all Jews with a blatantly and unapologetically colonialist, (war) criminal and religion-supremacist “Jewish State” project.

        Resident Zionist JeffB’s comments are a fine example:

        There is nothing anti-Semitic with blaming Jews for stuff that Jews institutionally support. … Not holding the Jews responsible for Jewish policy on the excuse that “well some Jews didn’t agree” is denying them agency. …

        Also:

        Jews in America have chosen to identify with and institutionally support Israel. While not Israeli, they are cousins. As such they get some degree of collective credit for Israelis achievements and some degree of blame for Israel’s failings.

      • Keith
        November 1, 2017, 3:32 pm

        PABELMONT- “Years and years of Pavlovian training to feel a victim of anti-Semitism when Israel is attacked had nothing to do with it.”

        Indeed. And notice how the emphasis on the Holocaust and criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism has INCREASED the longer it has been since the historical Holocaust?

      • DaBakr
        November 3, 2017, 1:16 am

        @er

        “we” you(as in the collective bubble of anti-israel, anti-zionist commenters) already do. Is your referring to the world as a whole (minus the Muslim/arab block and far left European fringe, good luck and fat chance

      • Mooser
        November 3, 2017, 1:13 pm

        “Is your referring to the world as a whole (minus the Muslim/arab block and far left European fringe, good luck and fat chance”

        I know what you mean, “Dabakr”. If we exclude the “the Muslim/arab block and far left European fringe” everybody loves the Jews, and always have.
        That’s why there is an Israel, right?

      • DaBakr
        November 4, 2017, 1:32 am

        @m

        pretty much, yes. though, some don’t always know it. it isn’t in them. at least in this realm. otherwise, why are any of us here, as in here, “right”?

    • Misterioso
      November 1, 2017, 10:05 am

      Greetings all!!

      Check out these just released photos. It will do you good and make you even more determined to stand shoulder to shoulder with the dispossessed and oppressed Palestinians, the indigenous inhabitants of historic Palestine.

      International Committee of the Red Cross  – October 17, 2017

      Young photographers from Gaza capture moments of joy

      A sneak peek into how young Gazans live their lives while waiting for long overdue political solutions

      https://www.icrc.org/en/document/competition-gaza-young-photographers

    • xanadou
      November 1, 2017, 8:37 pm

      “Antisemitism” is NOT an acceptable, let alone logical argument/accusation. I have expanded and posted on this just a few minutes ago. It’s an ad hominem, i.e., an attack on the person making the argument, not the person’s apparent incontrovertible arguments.

  3. JosephA
    October 31, 2017, 9:33 pm

    Lynk appears to be telling the world that the emperor has no clothes, while simultaneously discussing the elephant in the room. Amen!

    I think the Israeli stranglehold on Palestine will not slowly crack and erode. It will be a quick, if begrudging, effort brought on only by one of two actions: International isolation (sanctions), or a shift in US policy (including aid/unconditional support).

  4. JLewisDickerson
    November 1, 2017, 9:22 am

    RE: “[T]he international community recoiled from answering Israel’s splintering of the Palestinian territory and disfiguring of the laws of occupation with the robust tools that international law and diplomacy provide. International law, along with the peoples of Palestine and Israel, have all suffered in the process.” ~ Lynk’s report

    DRAMA: It’s possibly a matter of ‘do or die’ for the entire concept of ‘International Law’.
    To blow the conch, or not to blow the conch: that is the question.
    A nascent Global Plutocracy is ‘waiting in the wings’.

    • Citizen
      November 1, 2017, 11:43 am

      Seems AIPAC & Israel have copied Goering’s view of the Nuremberg Trials’ ex post facto law, & of Hitler’s social darwinism.

      • DaBakr
        November 4, 2017, 1:44 am

        AC
        the Nuremberg trials left many legal questions unanswered and while they made a seminal mark on the legal view of warfare post 1945, it’s unknown how different the world would be had they taken Churchill and Stalin’s (naturally stalin) view to round up every senior nazi and shoot them all dead. and how can the left wingers complain about that approach when they knew(back then) all along that Stalin was murdering millions of ‘anti soviet commies’ quietly and efficiently.

  5. Ossinev
    November 1, 2017, 10:57 am

    “He got an immediate reaction. US ambassador to the U.N. Nikki Haley on Friday said that the U.S. was “deeply disturbed” by Lynk’s report and by his support for “economic and academic boycott” of Israel”

    This woman is truly embarrassing. It`s almost as if her Zionist masters on a regular basis are sticking a hot poker where the sun don`t shine to get her to respond instantly to any perceived slight against the Chosen People and the Promised Land – with cuddly little Fascist Danny Danon snapping at her heels to make sure that she doesn`t slacken. Total lack of integrity total lack of independent thinking. The Zios must be p…ing themselves laughing at how easy it is to manipulate these braindead goyim.

    • Kay24
      November 1, 2017, 11:34 am

      What she should have said was the fact that the US keeps sending billions of dollars to a despicable nation, and arming their ruthless military, to turn on civilians, and send precision bombs into their homes, wiping out entire families, is truly disturbing. It is frustrating to think that US tax dollars keep pouring in to prop up and support an apartheid nation, who disregards all international laws, to keep their damn occupation going.

    • Citizen
      November 1, 2017, 11:45 am

      Yes, she is ethically Indian, so I guess she feels comfortable with the notion of untouchables & white man’s royal world?

      • JeffB
        November 2, 2017, 6:37 am

        @Citizen

        She’s Sikh which is not the same ethnicity as “indian”. Sikhs all belong to the same caste which is likely the best they could do in undermining the system given their minority status.

      • John O
        November 2, 2017, 8:50 am

        @JeffB

        There you go again: talking about the Sikhs and the Indian caste system from a position of total ignorance; conflating religion and ethnicity; attributing a bizarre motivation for Sikhs to be following their own religion.

  6. Ossinev
    November 1, 2017, 2:13 pm

    @Citizen
    No excuses there I`m afraid. Her family were/are Sikh and my understanding is that Sikhs reject the caste/untouchables system which is Hindu. Still it may be that she has opted for some form of closet Judaism ( financed or non financed by the ZIO lobby ) which might go some way towards explaining her contempt for the native Palestinian people and passionate affair with the Fascist Colonists ?

  7. peter
    November 1, 2017, 5:01 pm

    What’s new in UN Special Rapporteur Lynk’s report is not his description of the consequences of occupation, but his challenge to its legality.

    If his argument is accepted, it could even lead to Israel’s suspension from the UN. See here:

    https://canadatalksisraelpalestine.ca/2017/11/01/un-special-rapporteur-raises-new-issue-in-report-on-human-rights-in-occupied-territories-has-the-occupation-become-annexation/

  8. xanadou
    November 1, 2017, 8:25 pm

    Is anybody else getting tired of the tedious abuse of the “antisemite” ad hominem? When a (pro)israeli entity is incapable of countering an argument with one of his/her own, it will resort to name-calling to shut down the exchange that clearly exposes said entity’s lack of arguments worth considering.

    Palestinians, not the lily-white ashkenazis, are the crushing majority of Semitic descendants of the native population who have lived on the land since long before Judaism was invented. As is a small group of native Palestinians who had elected to convert to Judaism at the latter’s inception in the waning centuries of the Antiquities and shortly before the massive proselytising effort around the Mediterranean (Shlomo Sand, “Invention of the Jewish People”) that had elevated Judaism from a local cult to a religion that survived into the modern (AD) era, and/or conversions from paganism or Judaism to Christianity and/or Islam..

    The arguments are not aimed at Semites, the Palestinians, Jews of whatever origin, race or denomination. The arguments are aimed at WHAT ghetto-israel has been doing to the Muslim and Christian Palestinians for SEVENTY years, and counting. The arguments are aimed at the genocide, racism, apartheid, abuse of children, bombings, theft of Palestinian and Bedouin homes, destruction of schools and utilities, etc., ad nauseam. And the continuous violation of international laws, by ghetto-israel, with impunity, and at the end of lots of gun barrels.

    Will there ever be an interlocutor with the necessary equipment who might wish to consider using that argument to once and for all take the “antisemite” non-argument out of the equation?

    • Keith
      November 2, 2017, 12:29 am

      XANADOU- “Is anybody else getting tired of the tedious abuse of the “antisemite” ad hominem?”

      I am and I am sure others as well. However, perceived anti-Semitism is a core component of Zionism and won’t go away until Zionism goes away.

      • xanadou
        November 2, 2017, 4:50 pm

        Keith,

        The times they are a-changin’ and so are perceptions. The time has come to give the misleading and corrupt “core component” a kick that will land and bury said core deep in the landfill of History. N’est-ce pas?

    • JeffB
      November 2, 2017, 6:30 am

      @xanadou

      There is an easy way to avoid being called an antisemite. Stop using racial language towards them. “ghetto-israel”, ” lily-white ashkenazis” and fake history about nations. Shlomo Sand believes all nations are constructions, why apply his arguments to Jewish nations exclusively and not say France when the same argument would apply.

      Mostly yeah the Palestinians have been a troublesome minority for the state of Israel. They have refused to live under Israeli law, sided with Israel’s enemies and been treated badly as they have violently rebelled. The Israelis have tried negotiation and compromise which mostly failed and they tried violence which is mostly successful, hence violence becomes the preferred method. Lots governments have problems with interior groups that are hostile. Generally one doesn’t find westerners expressing much hostility towards those governments especially ethnically. We just had an ethnic cleansing by Myanmar, yet western leftist were emotionally indifferent. Similarly right before that we’ve had several large scale ethnic cleansing by Sunni Muslims with Western Leftists being supportive. Iran and Russia are horrifically oppressive towards rebelling minorities and yet your group often supports them. I have yet to hear a good argument from leftists why they don’t just group Israel in with say the 100 or so countries that ethnicities problems and leave it at that. The passion in this particular case deserves explanation.

      The two countries Israel has the most culturally in common with are Lebanon and Turkey. Look at the differences in language from western leftists towards those 3 cases.

      • Mooser
        November 2, 2017, 5:13 pm

        “Mostly yeah the Palestinians have been a troublesome minority for the state of Israel. They have refused to live under Israeli law, sided with Israel’s enemies and been treated badly as they have violently rebelled. The Israelis have tried negotiation and compromise which mostly failed and they tried violence which is mostly successful, hence violence becomes the preferred method.”
        “Jeff b”

        A very convincing statement of the position of affairs, if made to another Zionist.

  9. lonely rico
    November 2, 2017, 9:32 am

    > JeffB

    …just group Israel in with say the 100 or so countries that ethnicities problems and leave it at that

    A truly brilliant idea JeffB!
    Israel and fellow racists joined together in one happy, extended family.
    JeffB need no longer waste his precious time with MW; he’ll be too busy with his friends from Myanmar, Sudan, China, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc.

    On the downside – we’ll have to do without his wisdom and careful analysis of I/P.

  10. xanadou
    November 2, 2017, 4:42 pm

    JeffB,

    Your arguments clearly follow the old and very tired hasbara rules: first lob the ad hominem that makes no sense as per my argument that precipitated this exchange. My argument is against ghetto-israel’s genocide, racism and apartheid, the destruction of the Palestinian infrastructure, and the unconscionable savagery of ghetto-israel’s soldaten imposed on the sick, the old, and the children of Palestine. Where’s the antisemitism here? My criticism is aimed at WHAT the foreign, endlessly belligerent, imposition on a sovereign country is doing. It is directed at Palestine’s executioners pursuing their own version of the Final Solution of the Palestinians, whatever the executioners’ own racial make-up that is of utterly no consequence to the issue at hand, beyond being corrupted to be used to intimidate and shut up.

    The ad hominem was useful to the 19th century zios vis a vis the scarcity of scientific info that was only just being brought to light by archeologists. Two centuries later, we know that the foreign body imposed on Palestine has no right to be there as proven by the international cohort of archeologists that include Finkelstein/Silberman in their “Bible Unearthed”. There never was an israel of the non-existent david, solomon, etc.

    The one-of-many local cults had originated in Judea (hence Judaism, not israelism) and without the massive proselytising effort would have entered Oblivion together with all the other local cults that did not survive into the modern (AD) era, rather than survive by evolving into a massive regional religion, linked to (sic) and shared by diverse Med. cultures.

    Next, you change the subject to France, Myanmar… The issue is ghetto israel, its growing military non-stop military presence that is growing in brutality, not what other political entities are doing and which have zip, zilch, nada, nothing in common with what ghetto-israel has been doing in Palestine, non-stop, for SEVENTY years.

    Oh, and ghetto-israel is a ghetto. It is surrounded by self-built walls that lock inside overwhelmingly resident Jews who are given a much higher standard of living to make them a happy if ignorant lot with little to complain about, and highly brainwashed, to realise that they are being used by their govt as useful idiots to propagate brutal antisemitism with impunity. To wit: the internet is replete with videos that are true representations of ghetto-israel’s violent antisemitism expressed on the walls of Palestine and all too often physically executed on the streets of Palestine. Pot, kettle, paint, black… hmmm? (no racism of the kettle is implied)

    If Lebanon is (one of the two countries) with which ghetto-israel, as you imply, has the most culturally in common, that what’s with the need to periodically invade Lebanon? The Lebanese, a truly multiracial country, their own troubles and strife notwithstanding, don’t want ghetto-israel’s culture of violence in their country: starting with the separating walls, raids on family homes at 2am, military detention centres for children, let alone dropping white phosphorus on defenceless civilians. Altho’ why you would imply the latter as examples of ghetto-israel’s “culture” eludes my powers of comprehension.

    The sad and lonely truth be told: ghetto-israel has no friends. The useful idiots in positions of political power are all bought and/or intimidated, neither of which makes for lasting “friends”.

    Lastly, with the progressive rot of the foreign imposition and increasingly uncertain future, I wonder if any of the musical chairs participants is contemplating the foolish decision to abandon Birobidjan. Granted: not too many had contemplated the massive historical reversal of fortunes in 1948, and the rabid invaders’ desperate attachment to Europe to consider the slowly crashing US empire and the slow rise of China and Russia a mere half century later.

  11. xanadou
    November 2, 2017, 6:45 pm

    The brutality of ghetto-israel soldaten has just been ratcheted to a new level of antisemitic bestiality: shooting their Palestinian targets in the penis/vulva.

    • Marnie
      November 3, 2017, 2:44 am

      Waiting for JeffBee to give a sanitary explanation of why this is okay. Explain away zioturd! And continue to prop up and defend (not with your life of course, some other useful idiot – maybe a zionist christian – ooh yeah!) the shithole called israel.

      • Mooser
        November 3, 2017, 1:23 pm

        ” Explain away zioturd!”

        Good old “Jeff b”, Zionism’s Dr, Panglosstein! ‘It’s always the best of all possible worlds for Israel and Zionism.’

        He does give us a good example of what Zionists say to each other. And the notion that maybe those things won’t be convincing to non-Zionists never seems to occur to him.

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