Flynn’s plea on Russian influence reveals… Israel’s influence!

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The big news today is that the Russiagate probe moved closer to the president: former national security adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with a Russian official in 2016 during the transition between the Obama and Trump presidencies.

But Israel’s influence is the heart of the matter. One of two conversations Flynn lied about was asking the then-Russian ambassador to stop that U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israeli settlements as a flagrant violation of international law.

Buzzfeed’s report: 

According to the charge sheet, Flynn, on Dec. 22, 2016, asked [ambassador Sergey] Kislyak to use Moscow’s status as a permanent Security Council member to delay or defeat the pending resolution, and subsequently lied about those discussions with the FBI.

But as for Russia’s collusion with the Trump campaign– Russia did not agree to delay or defeat the U.N. resolution. No, the next day, December 23, Russia voted in favor of UN Security Council resolution 2334 to condemn the settlements. The U.S. abstained, and the resolution went through, 14-0. And Donald Trump tweeted that things would be very different when he became president.

It goes without saying that Israel’s influence is not the scandal here. Though the New York Times says that Israel will be an issue in the case going forward:

The possible involvement or knowledge of Israel in the case will be one of many questions that congressional investigators will pursue.

Buzzfeed’s report on the Flynn plea says that Flynn called Kislyak at the behest of presidential son-in-law Jared Kushner, who was also lobbying for Israel against the Security Council resolution.

In the run-up to the vote, both Flynn and [Jared] Kushner called several officials of Security Council member states in order to block or delay the resolution. Flynn personally called foreign ambassadors on the Security Council, including representatives of Uruguay and Malaysia, according to a February report by Foreign Policy.

And days earlier Donald Trump himself had been successful in lobbying the Egyptian president to withdraw a similar resolution against the settlements, in what many then called an unprecedented intrusion into the sitting president’s policymaking.

But then Malaysia, New Zealand, Senegal and Venezuela put the anti-settlements resolution forward, and New Zealand stuck to it despite intense pressure from Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu on New Zealand and Britain.

The Flynn plea puts the focus now on Jared Kushner, whose own family has funded settlements in the West Bank. Buzzfeed:

Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law, called Michael Flynn in December 2016 and told him to call members of the UN Security Council in an effort to stop a vote on a resolution critical of Israeli settlement policy, according to a person who was present in the room when Flynn took the call.

Flynn then called Russia’s then-ambassador to the United States to seek his assistance, and later lied to the FBI about having done so, according to documents filed in federal court Friday by special counsel Robert Mueller that explained Flynn’s guilty plea on two counts of lying to federal agents.

The documents do not say on whose behalf Flynn contacted Sergey Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, identifying the person only as “a very senior member of the Presidential Transition Team.”…

Buzzfeed’s source says Kushner called the issue a top priority.

“Jared called Flynn and told him you need to get on the phone to every member of the Security Council and tell them to delay the vote,” the person said….

Kushner, the source said, told Flynn during the phone call that “this was a top priority for the president.”

Two questions. Why would Flynn lie about this to federal agents? I.e., what was he protecting? Buzzfeed says, he was worried about the Logan Act. But interference on behalf of Russia– or Israel.

And more important, Who were Trump and Kushner trying to please through these efforts? I believe the answer is Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israelis, through their proxies the U.S. donors Sheldon Adelson, Bernard Marcus and Paul Singer— three neoconservative billionaires behind Trump who are hugely supportive of Israel. It’s hard to believe Kushner pressing because his family foundation has given lots of money to illegal West Bank settlements…

Ali Abunimah reports that the Israel angle was downplayed in mainstream news coverage of Flynn’s guilty plea.

Donald Johnson raises the same question. What’s the real scandal here?

It is going to be amusing, irritating and fascinating to watch how people will continue to ignore that in one of the cases Trump was actually contacting Russia because the Israelis asked for it.  He has surrounded himself with far right pro Israel people who hate Iran and also support the Saudis but the Russia connection is the politically safe one to screech about.  They can’t criticize him on Israel since many Democrats were unhappy that Obama and Kerry were critical of Israel at the end, in that settlements resolution.

Adam Johnson jokes about Kushner;

Man whose family funds West Bank settlements ordered Flynn to lobby Russia to protect West Bank settlements.

Johnson points out that Jack Abramoff was also brought down by his support for West Bank settlements, funding a “sniper school” with ill-gotten gains.

The second contact Flynn had with Kislyak that he lied about to the FBI and that is cited in the plea was actually to help out the Obama administration. Per the Times: “last December, before Mr. Trump’s inauguration, he [Flynn] asked … Kislyak, to refrain from reacting aggressively to sanctions that the Obama administration had imposed on Russia. Russia reportedly agreed.”

So all the Russian collusion is a lot less interesting than the Israel collusion. The press likes to say that those who ascribe power to the Israel lobby are conspiracy theorists. Well, here’s your conspiracy to subvert U.S. policy. But it’s still the elephant in the room. No one’s going to have a problem with that.

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  1. CitizenC
    December 1, 2017, 10:54 pm

    See Robert Parry, the Bernstein/Woodward of Russiagate, on this elaborate entrapment

    The Scalp-Taking of Gen. Flynn
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/01/the-scalp-taking-of-gen-flynn/

    • Keith
      December 2, 2017, 2:57 pm

      CITIZENC- “See Robert Parry, the Bernstein/Woodward of Russiagate, on this elaborate entrapment”

      In many ways that is the real story here. The FBI had NSA supplied transcripts of both conversations, hence, had any laws been broken could have prosecuted Flynn on that basis. The only reason to interview Flynn was to entrap him into “lying” (deviating from the content of the transcripts) to the FBI, which is the “crime” he has pleaded guilty to. One can wonder why it is a crime to lie to the FBI but not the news media, etc. One can also wonder how and why the NSA is empowered to eavesdrop on virtually everyone. Who needs authorized wiretapping when the NSA data mines all? And this selective prosecution out of a vast swamp of disinformation spewing forth from most government and business sources is little more than a power play relying on obvious entrapment which, together with NSA spying, is much worse than the specific actions of Flynn.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 12:13 am

        “One can also wonder how and why the NSA is empowered to eavesdrop on virtually everyone.”

        My God, if it can happen to Lt. Gen Flynn, it could happen to me. How was I to know, she was with the Russians, too? I mean, look at Flynn, just like “everyone” a guy pursuing his private business. I bet he never had his own e-mail server, or a foundation. No those are reasons to wiretap people!

  2. JosephA
    December 1, 2017, 11:58 pm

    What a terrible web we weave. Follow the money, the billionaire donors pulling Trump’s strings and, the military-industrial complex to the incestuous conclusion.

  3. JWalters
    December 2, 2017, 4:45 am

    A very revealing, important article. Thanks for diving beneath the froth of the mainstream media’s coverage of this story. An excellent companion article is
    “The Scalp-Taking of Gen. Flynn”
    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/12/01/the-scalp-taking-of-gen-flynn

  4. Kathleen
    December 2, 2017, 5:21 am

    Just found this after asking you whether you would be writing about this Flynn /Israel issue on another thread. We keep hearing over and over again about how foreign nations/Russia are not supposed to be able to influence our election and yet most of us are acutely aware of how Israel via the I lobby, Jinsa etc…representatives for Israel influence our elections,

    Would appear we could be headed towards more of a push for Aipac etc to have to sign up under FARA.

    Ali Abunimah is of course right about how U.S. media outlets even so called liberal outlets are avoiding this piece of the Flynn debacle. On Friday MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell and David Ignatius totally avoided addressing Flynn’s lobbying efforts to get Russia to vote no on Egypt’s UN resolution condemning illegal Israeli settlements. They brought Flynn’s lobbying efforts for Turkey and for lifting sanctions against Russia, however not Flynn’s lobbying efforts for Israel. Have heard Chris Matthews whisper about the issue.

    Just takes me back to how the Aipac espionage trial was dismissed under the Obama administration. Swept under the rug,

    • Citizen
      December 2, 2017, 11:44 am

      Source for slurpy Chris Matthews at least whispering about Israeli aspect?

      • Kathleen
        December 2, 2017, 1:33 pm

        I watch almost every evening. I believe it was Thursday evening as he mentioned the lobbying Flynn was doing to indicate to Russia that sanctions would be taken down, lobbying for Turkey, Matthews mentioned Flynn trying to convince Russia to vote against Egypt’s UN resolution condemning Israeli settlements. I will go looking for the clip at his website when I have more time. I am not sure if you can access all of Matthews complete program on line now they have made it more difficult to access the whole program. However I am sure of what I heard.

        Today (Dec 2) MSNBC’s Alex Witt also mentioned complete picture of what Flynn had lied to the FBI about.

    • Sibiriak
      December 2, 2017, 1:56 pm

      The Guardian headline story on Flynn lays out the facts about the effort to undermine the U.N. Security Council resolution–but it’s still framed as possible collusion with Russia, not Israel.It’s still all Russia! Russia! Russia!

      Those conversations not only give the lie to repeated statements by the president that his team had no contact with the Russians – on Saturday he told reporters there had been “absolutely no collusion” and tweeted that Flynn’s “actions during the transition were lawful” – but they also raise the possibility of serious criminal exposure among members of his inner circle for breaking laws banning communications with foreign entities that undercut US policy.

      * * *

      Kushner has denied that he proposed such a back channel, and has denied collusion with Russia and other wrongdoing.

      * * *

      “Trump has categorically said that he was not aware of any campaign communications with Russia, ” said Anne Milgram, who has worked closely in the past with Mueller and his team as a former attorney general for the state of New Jersey and former federal prosecutor.

      “That is the kind of question that you would want to ask Michael Flynn. Were there conversations about those communications? Was there an understanding that the Russians had so-called ‘dirt’ on Secretary Clinton? And so all those things are going to be really important for the government to understand.”

      * * *

      With Flynn’s cooperation, Vladeck said, Mueller could be in position to answer “the million dollar question”: did the Trump campaign collude with Russia during the 2016 election?

      * * *

      “I would imagine that he [Flynn] would have insights into what contacts if any the campaign had with Russian government officials, Russian private citizens, Russian corporations,” Vladeck said. “But I think if there’s dirty laundry, one suspects that Flynn of all people would know what and where it is.” [emphasis added]

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/02/flynn-plea-deal-exposure-senior-trump-transition-team-members

  5. Boomer
    December 2, 2017, 6:23 am

    Thanks for pointing out what the MSM will not. Like Harvey Weinstein, Charlie Rose, and so many others did for so many years, this particular emperor can safely walk around with no clothes. That may be changing for some predators, but others can still roam polite society without shame. Our polity has been perverted, and not only by the Russians.

  6. Kay24
    December 2, 2017, 7:10 am

    There is no way there would be outrage about Israel’s interference, and negative influence, in the US, just like we see in the Russia matter. The media and American leaders will be afraid of being called anti-semitic. Kushner has acted like he is an agent for Israel. He has represented Israeli in the most disgusting ways, pushing Russia to vote favorably towards Israel when it comes to voting in the UN, and pushing for the US embassy to be moved to Jerusalem (it has Jared’s fingerprints on that one), and let us not forget that the Kushner family has sent thousands of dollars towards the illegal settlements. America keeps ignoring the negative effects of Israel’s influence, despite the fact that many times it has gone against American interests, yet members of Congress in the pockets of AIPAC have consistently put Israel first.
    We will not hear a negative word about any of that, only that Israel is such a good ally, blah blah.

    • Marnie
      December 4, 2017, 2:44 am

      It’s so sick , isn’t it? And the MSM is going to have to try even harder than before to not speak of or draw attention to that blue-haired elephant that’s always in the room.

  7. Eva Smagacz
    December 2, 2017, 7:11 am

    Why would Flynn lie about this to federal agents? I.e., what was he protecting? Buzzfeed says, he was worried about the Logan Act. But interference on behalf of Russia– or Israel.

    If Flynn talked to Russia about Israel and Logan Act applies due to Russia “annexing ” Crimea, it is curious why, if any member of administration talks to Israel, the Logan act does not apply even thought Israel is annexing West Bank and Jerusalem.
    59/67

    • Citizen
      December 2, 2017, 11:51 am

      duh, yes–99% of Americans have no clue to discern what you did

    • Kathleen
      December 2, 2017, 1:38 pm

      If the same investigative standards that are being applied to Russia’s interference in our election process was applied to Israel and the I lobby, there have been way too many officials who are acting as agents for Israel in our government to keep up with.

      • Marnie
        December 4, 2017, 2:47 am

        Strange priorities. I think Allison Weir should change the name of her organization to If Americans Knew, Would They Give a Damn?

  8. HarryLaw
    December 2, 2017, 7:24 am

    In my opinion it does not matter whether the collusion was with Russia or Israel, what matters is top individuals in President elect Trumps team attempted to change important US foreign policy as determined by the still in power Obama administration, this is not a legitimate way for an incoming administration to behave. It was not a traditional way to smooth that transition. It was a criminal offence under the Logan Act….

    Logan Act 1799

    § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

    Although the Act is old and nobody has been prosecuted under it, it was introduced specifically to stop the activity Kushner and others are alleged to have been involved in.
    Is Trump also involved? In view of his pressuring of El-Sisi over their UNSC vote the day before, it is inconceivable that he did not know and/or direct Kushner to do as he did.

    • Citizen
      December 2, 2017, 11:54 am

      More likely, Kushner subtly commanded Trump, Trump was easy to influence by Kushner in the matter of Israeli settlements–thank U, Ivanka. She cares for all the world’s children–except Palestinian kids.

    • Kathleen
      December 2, 2017, 1:41 pm

      So are you saying that during transitions Israeli agents in this country and leaders in Israel have not had conversations or started negotiations with incoming U.S. President’s or officials in their administrations before that incoming administration took office?

      Sure would appear that the Logan Act could have been applied many times in the past if those in power had been brave enough to do so.

      • HarryLaw
        December 2, 2017, 2:20 pm

        Kathleen, I would think it normal for the Trump team to have relations and meet with any country and their Ambassadors, including Israeli agents, those relations could be regarded as preparing for an easy transition, the problems arise when the Trump team go beyond normal transition arrangements and attempt to subvert the incumbent Presidents foreign polices. Foreign Ambassadors and Israeli agents may well try to influence that foreign policy [that is to be expected and should be turned down] what is not right is for an incoming administration [the Trump team] to subvert US foreign policy by asking those foreign entities to vote a certain way on an important UNSC Resolution, in my opinion, a clear breach of the Logan Act.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 5:22 pm

        ” go beyond normal transition arrangements”

        How far into the campaign preceding the election can a candidate make “transition arrangements”?
        Can they do it only after they know they are going to win, or before that?

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:04 pm

        ,” or before that?”

        Or as Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted today, on Flynn’s guilty plea:

        “I was promised treasonous collusion with Russia to steal an election, not diplomatic groundwork by an incoming admin.”

        So a candidate can campaign by going through illegal channels to screw the sitting President on Foreign Policy? That should add some spice to the elections.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 10:32 pm

        Trump’s latest tweet:

        “I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide”

        Trump is admitting that he knew all along that Flynn had lied to the FBI? And “has pled guilty”? I usually “pleaded guilty”.

        When this all started, I wondered when it might come to fisticuffs, or even gunplay, between the gang members. Now I think it’ll be something done with a chain saw.

      • Keith
        December 3, 2017, 1:21 am

        MOOSER- “So a candidate can campaign by going through illegal channels to screw the sitting President on Foreign Policy?”

        Ah, a defender of imperial foreign policy! Ah, a defender of the Logan Act of 1799! Ah, a defender of Hillary and the Democrats come hell or high water! There is a reason that Flynn was NOT charged with violating the Logan Act. But to a Democratic (and imperial) loyalist such as you, defense of the indefensible become obligatory when your affinity group is involved. Russia! Putin! Faithful Follower! Servility! Shamelessness! Seriously, do you think your shameless pilpul makes the world a better place? Intellectual integrity something to be avoided? Marching orders from Democratic party central to be unthinkingly followed? Cleverness a substitute for reality?

    • Kathleen
      December 3, 2017, 2:26 pm

      Could the Logan Act have been pulled out of the closet in relation to the Iran hostage deal? Allegedly the Reagan administration negotiated that the day of the release of the prisoners would take place on the day of Reagan’s inauguration, I believe the Carter administration had set up release and then Iran delayed. If this is accurate would that have been considered interference in a sitting President’s on going foreign policy negotiations and deals?

      Could the Logan Act have applied in that situation?

      • Kathleen
        December 3, 2017, 2:51 pm

        It also seems like we would have heard about the Logan Act being pulled out of the closet when it came to what Aipac officials Rosen and Weissman were up to interfering in U.S. foreign policy when it came to Iran.

        Franklin paid a big price but Rosen, Weissman, Jane Harman all got away.

        We know what happened to that investigation and 9 time delayed trial. Dismissed under the Obama administration.

  9. Ronald Johnson
    December 2, 2017, 9:26 am

    Aye to CitizenC’s referral to Robert Parry’s report in Consortium News of yesterday. The operative phrase is “perjury trap”.

    This report holds that General Flynn was put into a “perjury trap”, accused of violating the 1799 Logan Act, which prohibits private citizens from interfering with U.S. foreign policy. A shyster tactic, as explained in the report.

    As a nominee for a Cabinet position, he was more than a private citizen. His entrappers would hold that a nominee must do nothing in preparation for the job until he is sworn in. Ridiculous. Repeating here that the “interference” was to lobby the Russians for Israel in the matter of a UN resolution of condemnation, I agree that it would seem that the offender is Israel and not Russia, who voted FOR the resolution. Not without precedent:

    Recall that Jacob Schiff, through his firm, Kuhn, Loeb, and Company affected the outcome of the Russo – Japanese War, by making big loans to Japan, based upon a vendetta against the Czar. There is a monument to Jacob Schiff in Japan. The US Zionists who smuggled weapons and explosives to Israel in 1947 – 1949, plus the US Zionists who since then have demonstrated private interference in US foreign policy – are numerous and without indictment, excepting Jonathan Pollard – who is an actual spy.

    http://strangeside.com/russo-japanese-war-financed-by-jacob-schiff/

    • HarryLaw
      December 2, 2017, 11:23 am

      Ronald Johnson, “As a nominee for a Cabinet position, he was more than a private citizen. His entrappers would hold that a nominee must do nothing in preparation for the job until he is sworn in. Ridiculous”. Can’t agree, he was still a private citizen untill he takes up his position.
      also the Logan Act is plain.. Any citizen of the US “with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both”.
      Flynn and others clearly attempted to subvert official US policy at the UNSC with various countries in flagrant breach of that Act.

      • Citizen
        December 2, 2017, 12:00 pm

        I agree with HarryLaw, not Ronald Johnson, who must explain his “Ridiculous” exemption from the Logan Act.

      • Keith
        December 2, 2017, 3:31 pm

        HARRY LAW- “Flynn and others clearly attempted to subvert official US policy at the UNSC with various countries in flagrant breach of that Act.”

        Then why isn’t he being prosecuted for violating the Act? Why is he guilty only of lying to the FBI? If this was a “flagrant breach of the Act,” why not proceed based upon the transcripts? Why interview him at all? Why wait until Trump takes office to proceed? Could it be that, unlike you, an unbiased jury would quickly conclude that Flynn’s actions were rather typical and the the Logan Act is observed more in the breach than in practice? And that it is primarily used as a selective club for political purposes? In this case, the Logan Act was the excuse to entrap Flynn for lying to the FBI. Period. And why do I think that if Hillary had won and the situation was reversed you would have a different opinion?

      • HarryLaw
        December 2, 2017, 7:28 pm

        Keith, Flynn was given a sweetheart deal so that the Prosecutors could go after bigger fish, Kushner and Trump. The Prosecutor had a whole raft of possible charges against Flynn which will remain on file to ensure Flynn cooperates with the investigation. I thought Clinton was an awful candidate and we could have had perpetual war. I gave Trump the benefit of the doubt hoping he would make good on his promises not to spend 6/7 trillion dollars on more futile wars like in Afghanistan/Iraq, instead he promised to spend money saved on wars on US infrastructure [more fool I] I think Trump is mentally ill and his foreign policies including Israel/Palestine and Iran are foolish, but I certainly would not have voted for the warmonger Clinton. On this issue I don’t think I am biased, my reading of the Logan Act and members of the Trump teams disgraceful attempted blocking of that important UNSC Resolution is my honest opinion based on facts and logic.

      • Sibiriak
        December 2, 2017, 9:01 pm

        Harry Law: The Prosecutor had a whole raft of possible charges against Flynn which will remain on file…
        ——————–

        Are you stating an established fact or simply speculating?

        Cf. “The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing or illicit ties to the Russian government, U.S. officials said. “

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.baaca8c2ef4a

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:19 pm

        “Flynn was given a sweetheart deal “

        It’s not a “deal” until Flynn makes good on his half of the bargain. Prosecutors don’t just give out deals, they hold the other charges over your head until you deliver, and the goods you deliver are effective. Or maybe I just ran into a particularly tough one, but I doubt it.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:42 pm

        ” I thought…/…mentally ill”

        Now, “Harry”, while Trump may disappoint you in some minor ways, you must admit that he has been faithful to the most essential reason for voting for him.
        Whatever else Trump may do, he has never abandoned his racism, and remains true to his promise to keep the Mexicans and Muslims out, build a wall and encourage racial divisiveness within the US.
        So you can’t say Trump has failed you completely. On the things which were evident from the first, and evidently important to him, and his “base” and in an area where the President can be very powerful, he has remained true to his campaign promises.
        So you will get a lot of what you want. Or were you expecting something else from Trump in that area? No, I think you’ve gotta admit, he’s giving Trump voters what they really want.
        And Trump said this morning he is “unbeatable” in 2020.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:22 am

        “— but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing…”

        What’s the date on that report, “Sib”? Looks to me like its January 23rd 2017. About a year ago, wasn’t it? You don’t think anything has come to light to change that conclusion in the past year?

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:28 am

        “Are you stating an established fact or simply speculating?”

        Yeah, Flynn went in and explained it was all a few technical mistakes, got his own charges dropped, and cleared everybody else. Mueller apologized for taking up so much of his time, shook his hand and declared “You are hereby released without a stain on your character”

      • HarryLaw
        December 3, 2017, 6:06 am

        Sibiriak, Here is just one situation the special Prosecutor might have the goods on Flynn. In August 2016, Flynn’s consulting firm was hired by something called Inovo BV — a Dutch company that turned out to be a shell corporation for a wealthy member of the Turkish government. Flynn appears to have continued working for Turkey until November at the earliest, and was paid at least $530,000 by Ankara. During this time, he was also serving as a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

        US citizens, even retired military officers, can legally work on behalf of foreign powers and take money from them. That’s not, in and of itself, problematic.

        But in order to do so legally, Flynn needed to be exceptionally honest to the US government about it — and cease his work as soon he reentered a position in the US government. And it’s not clear that he actually did all of the required steps.

        For one thing, he was late filing the paperwork for the Foreign Agent Registration Act — which isn’t that big a deal. But it’s not clear if he was entirely truthful on the paperwork he did file, and it’s also possible that he omitted the $45,000 payment on a form to renew his security clearance (called an SF-86), which requires such payments to be disclosed. Either would constitute lying to federal investigators, which (as we’ve discussed) is very illegal.

        Two bodies, the Department of Defense and the House Oversight Committee, are known to be investigating these issues. Who knows if the FBI has uncovered anything relevant to it as well. Regardless, Flynn could be in trouble. https://www.vox.com/world/2017/5/16/15649496/trump-comey-fbi-flynn

      • HarryLaw
        December 3, 2017, 7:18 am

        Mooser, I don’t think you are being entirely fair about Madam Clinton, she was unaware her server was acid washed and 33,000 e mail were deleted.
        Hillary Clinton joked to reporters Tuesday in Las Vegas about whether she “wiped” her email server clean before giving it to the FBI.

        “What? Like with a cloth or something?” she asked, then laughed. “I don’t know how it works digitally at all.”

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 1:57 pm

        Let us now defend the integrity of US Lt. Gen Flynn?
        I though almost all US Generals are corrupt. That would be my assumption, but if “Sib” has more faith in the integrity of the US Officer class, he’s welcome to it.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 3:49 pm

        “Mooser, I don’t think you are being entirely fair about Madam Clinton”

        I’m probably not. In fact, it’s been very hard for me to be fair to Hillary Clinton since 2002, and her vote for the War on Iraq. That pretty much did it for the Mooser-Clinton-Clinton menage-a-trois.

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2017, 4:01 pm

        Mooser: What’s the date on that report, “Sib”? Looks to me like its January 23rd 2017. About a year ago, wasn’t it? You don’t think anything has come to light to change that conclusion in the past year?
        ————————————–

        That report is only about Flynn’s contacts with the Russian ambassador (which he lied about), and the conclusions refer only to those contacts.

        The FBI in late December reviewed intercepts of communications between the Russian ambassador to the United States and retired Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn — national security adviser to then-President-elect Trump — but has not found any evidence of wrongdoing….

        You don’t think they adequately reviewed those interecepts at the time? You think another review of those intercepts might suddenly reveal wrongdoing during the contacts with the Russian ambassador which wasn’t detected in the original review? Really?

    • Boomer
      December 2, 2017, 11:35 am

      “As a nominee for a Cabinet position, he was more than a private citizen.”

      And, evidently, was doing what Trump wanted. I believe Trump said, when he fired Flynn, that he was doing what he expected, or words to that effect. Whatever else one thinks about this affair, it seems that Trump owes Flynn a Presidential pardon.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 12:28 pm

        ,” it seems that Trump owes Flynn a Presidential pardon.”

        Gee, I wonder if Trump will still want to pardon Flynn after Flynn tells Mueller everything?

      • Boomer
        December 2, 2017, 7:59 pm

        re Mooser “Gee, I wonder if Trump will still want to pardon Flynn after Flynn tells Mueller everything?”

        Well, if he is an honorable man, I’m sure he will want to do the right thing.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:06 pm

        “Well, if he is an honorable man, I’m sure he will want to do the right thing.”

        For Trump is an honourable man; So are they all, all honourable men!

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:50 pm

        “As a nominee for a Cabinet position, he was more than a private citizen.”

        And thus has more responsibility than a private citizen. Not legal immunity.

        But legally, nobody in the Trump “transition arrangement” was a goddamn thing except an American citizen with legal responsibilities, until Trump was sworn in. Might want to keep that in mind. No matter how much it bothers you that Obama was in the White House, he was the sitting President til the end of the term. Yes, I know, Hillary had her own e-mail server, primed to start WW3.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 10:48 pm

        .” Yes, I know, Hillary had her own e-mail server”

        And should the ramifications of her crimes evade you, Pres. Trump has made it clear in his latest Tweet:

        “Many people in our Country are asking what the ‘Justice’ Department is going to do about the fact that totally Crooked Hillary, AFTER receiving a subpoena from the United States Congress, deleted and ‘acid washed’ 33,000 Emails? No justice!” Pres. Trump.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:24 am

        No Justice!

        That’s right, Mr. Precedent, it’s just you now. Enjoy Christmas with your well-wired family.

  10. Peter Feld
    December 2, 2017, 11:44 am

    I think we will learn that Russians were offered dropping sanctions in return for voting down 2334, and that will blow this up especially for Kushner and I guess Donald.

    • Citizen
      December 2, 2017, 12:31 pm

      duh

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2017, 9:26 pm

      The Russians knew there wasn’t a hope in hell that this bunch, (the gang that can’t bullshit straight) could really do anything about it (did they? or did they end up making the sanctions on Russia stricter, and Trump had to sign it!) maybe the havoc, distraction and destruction is its own reward?

      Or maybe the Russians just don’t know the difference between real international diplomacy and Gen Flynn on the down-low

  11. Mooser
    December 2, 2017, 12:23 pm

    Flynn Jr’s cover of this song should be very heartfelt.

    Remember, both Flynn’s and Flynn Jr.’s plea deal is completely conditional. Any and all charges, or new charges, can be filed at any time if Flynn doesn’t provide what Mueller wants.

    • Kathleen
      December 2, 2017, 1:46 pm

      Been hearing this on CNN and MSNBC. That the former charges can be picked up at any time if Flynn does not sing what many believe Mueller already knows but needs more confirmation.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 5:24 pm

        “Been hearing this on CNN and MSNBC.”

        Yes, I had a feeling Warren Zevon’s 1978 hit would take on a new life.

        I bet it’s Flynn Jr.’s favorite karaoke number.

  12. Mooser
    December 2, 2017, 12:31 pm

    “The possible involvement or knowledge of Israel in the case will be one of many questions that congressional investigators will pursue.”

    Dirty deeds done dirt cheap for Russia is treason! But advocating for Israel is done from pure belief in the Zionist mission.

  13. Citizen
    December 2, 2017, 12:31 pm

    Phil, get a load of this–a watershed moment: Flynn Pleads Guilty to Lying About Trump Sabotage of Security Council Resolution Against Israel Settlements https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/12/01/flynn-pleads-guilty-to-lying-about-trump-sabotage-of-security-council-resolution-against-israel-settlements/ by @NatCounterPunch

  14. Sibiriak
    December 2, 2017, 1:17 pm

    The curious case of Jared Kushner and the Israel lobby

    by Richard Silverstein

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/us-special-counsel-investigating-kushner-pro-israel-lobbying-1863625733

  15. James Canning
    December 2, 2017, 1:34 pm

    Flynn was eager to serve as yet another stooge of the ISRAEL LOBBY. What a surprise.

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2017, 10:38 pm

      “Flynn was eager to serve as yet another stooge of the ISRAEL LOBBY. What a surprise.”

      You don’t think Flynn was presenting a “serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology, however incoherent or incompetent” when he did that?

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2017, 12:15 am

        @Mooser:

        FYI, it’s Flynn’s attitude toward Russia , not the Israel Lobby, that was of concern to the U.S. political establishment.

      • Mooser
        December 5, 2017, 4:05 pm

        “FYI, it’s Flynn’s attitude toward Russia , not the Israel Lobby, that was of concern to the U.S. political establishment.”

        Yes, he has a bad attitude. Better get him now, before he does something.

  16. Ronald Johnson
    December 2, 2017, 3:06 pm

    Well, it is an interesting discussion of the Logan Law, as to how rigorously applied. Recall the “Chennault Affair” with Nixon, and the “October Surprise” with Reagan. But the Flynn – Kislyak conversations were about doing a favour for Israel and a request for Russia to mute its response to US increased sanctions. Hardly material for a grande jury indictment. Once again: entrapment – on the head of a pin.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461

  17. Keith
    December 2, 2017, 3:52 pm

    Folks, I am having difficulty understanding the apparent reverence some have for the archaic Logan Act of 1799. What next, lauding the Alien and Sedition Act? No one has been tried under the Logan Act, hence, it’s dubious constitutionality has not been challenged. Need I point out that under a strict interpretation of the Act, every CEO of every major transnational corporation would be guilty of violating the Act? This ain’t going to happen! Nor should it. For cry sakes, wake up! We are an empire doing horrible things world wide as official policy which OUGHT to be opposed. Do you all want to see support for the Free Gaza Movement prosecuted under the Logan Act? How about BDS? This ain’t no joke, gang. Some of you need to get your heads screwed on right. This type of selectively applied arbitrary power is NEVER in the interest of the 99%. And remember, Flynn has NOT been charged under the Logan Act.

    • Sibiriak
      December 2, 2017, 4:22 pm

      Keith, good points.

      On one level what this is about is the political establishment/Deep State asserting its dominance and making it clear that any serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology, however incoherent or incompetent, will not be tolerated.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 6:05 pm

        Gee, excuse me for asking, but in what possible way does Trump present “any serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology, however incoherent or incompetent”?

        As far as I know, Trump was just fine with a militarized imperial strategy. Look at all his campaign speeches.

      • Sibiriak
        December 2, 2017, 7:29 pm

        Mooser: in what possible way does Trump present “any serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology, however incoherent or incompetent”?

        ———————-

        Flynn… Russia… reversing sanctions… Trump “admiring” Putin… “desiring to improve relations”….”reset with Russia”…any of that ring a bell?

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:13 pm

        “Flynn… Russia… reversing sanctions… Trump “admiring” Putin… “desiring to improve relations”….”reset with Russia”…any of that ring a bell?”

        ROTFLMSJAO! It sure as hell does!

        And Trump had all the right reasons to do those things, and approached those challenges oh, so skillfully and so effectively.
        Please.
        I ain’t going home with that waitress.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:31 pm

        “Sibiriak”, did you just say that “Flynn…Russia” (and I should add “Israel”) actions are a “serious challenge to established imperial policies”?

        So taking orders from Israel is a “serious challenge to established imperial policies”?

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:58 pm

        “Flynn… Russia… reversing sanctions… Trump “admiring” Putin… “desiring to improve relations”….”reset with Russia”…any of that ring a bell?”

        Yeah, an entire carillon! And it’s playing a Christmas Song: “I owe, I owe, so off to work I go. I’ve borrowed and I laundered and I owe, I owe, I owe. Ho-Ho, Ho-Ho, I’m Putin’s favorite ho’, He owns my butt and all my stuff, I owe, I owe.”

      • Sibiriak
        December 2, 2017, 11:50 pm

        Mooser: Sibiriak”, did you just say that “Flynn…Russia” …
        ———————————–

        Cf. Washington Post:

        National security adviser Michael Flynn privately discussed U.S. sanctions against Russia with that country’s ambassador to the United States during the month before President Trump took office, contrary to public assertions by Trump officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

        Flynn’s communications with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak were interpreted by some senior U.S. officials as an inappropriate and potentially illegal signal to the Kremlin that it could expect a reprieve from sanctions […]

        Ending sanctions, improving relations with Russia, making Russia no longer a threat to “our” democracy requiring increased controls on social media and news outlets, making Russia no longer a threat to Europe requiring NATO expansion, making Russia no longer a threat to “our” Middle East policies requiring U.S. intervention, increased military spending, nuclear rearmament and so on and so forth — yes, that would certainly be a challenge to established imperial policies/ideology.
        ———————————-

        Mooser: So taking orders from Israel is a “serious challenge to established imperial policies”?

        I wouldn’t say the U.S. “takes orders” from Israel. But to your basic point: no. And of course, that’s why it’s “collusion with Russia” all over the news, and “collusion with Russia” that’s being investigated, and not a word about “collusion with Israel.”

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2017, 12:06 am

        Mooser: And Trump had all the right reasons to do those things, and approached those challenges oh, so skillfully and so effectively.
        ————————

        Who said he did?

      • Keith
        December 3, 2017, 12:35 am

        MOOSER- “Gee, excuse me for asking, but in what possible way does Trump present “any serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology, however incoherent or incompetent”?

        Still chasing Hillary’s skirts? It has become painfully obvious that you are reacting in solidarity with the Princess of Darkness and the Democratic Party. I could go on, but why bother to reason with someone who willfully engages in intellectual debauchery? The fact that Trump HINTED that perhaps he might consider improved relations with Russia doth offend the Democratic Party cold warriors and war mongers which you march in solidarity with. To hell with principle, Democrats and Hillary uber alles!

      • Keith
        December 3, 2017, 12:41 am

        MOOSER- ” I’m Putin’s favorite ho’, “

        Wrongo, you are Hillary’s favorite ho’. Loyal to a fault! Impervious to empirical reality! Looking for love in all of the wrong places!

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:04 pm

        “Ending sanctions, improving relations with Russia, making Russia no longer a threat to “our” democracy…”

        And Flynn was going about that in an effective and transparent way, and we might add, at great personal sacrifice.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:29 pm

        ” I could go on…”

        “Keith”, not once, in all the time you have been posting, have I ever tried to cast so much as a shadow of doubt concerning that.

        (BTW, you aren’t projecting your certainty that Trump and the Repubs will be removed, election re-counted, and Hillary Clinton installed as Presidentress, are you? As far as I can tell, you see that as the only alternative.)

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 2:38 pm

        “Wrongo, you are Hillary’s favorite ho’. Loyal to a fault! Impervious to empirical reality! Looking for love in all of the wrong places!”

        You’re right “Keith” I am dumb. Should’ve seen right away you are doing some ‘Trump-tweet parody’ posts. Turn off Spel-Chek, they’ll be even better.

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2017, 4:21 pm

        Mooser: And Trump had all the right reasons to do those things, and approached those challenges oh, so skillfully and so effectively. Please.

        * * * * *
        And Flynn was going about that in an effective and transparent way, and we might add, at great personal sacrifice.

        ———————————————-

        Nobody here has suggested anything remotely like that.

        I’m curious, what do you think is the point of such inane strawmanning? Do you think it is funny? Persuasive?

    • Donald Johnson
      December 2, 2017, 5:01 pm

      Good points.

    • HarryLaw
      December 3, 2017, 6:44 am

      Keith, This is no fixation on the Logan Act, there is no other legislation on the statute books, the Logan Act just happens to fit perfectly the situation created by Kushner and Flynn. What other piece of legislation would be appropriate for this crime? Or is it alright for an incoming administration to nobble an important UNSC Resolution put forward by the incumbent government on behalf of an alien power, Israel, this goes to the heart of the democratic process. Had Kushner and Flynn suceeded, that Resolution might never have seen the light of day again, and given the green light to massive settlement building and ethnic cleansing.

      • John O
        December 3, 2017, 9:11 am

        Precisely. It’s one thing for a member of an incoming administration to say there will be a change in policy in due course. It is something else entirely to subvert current policy by colluding with foreign powers.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 3:58 pm

        ” Had Kushner and Flynn suceeded, that Resolution might never have seen the light of day again, and given the green light to massive settlement building and ethnic cleansing.”

        And what a “serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology” that would be!

      • Keith
        December 3, 2017, 4:02 pm

        HARRY LAW- “This is no fixation on the Logan Act, there is no other legislation on the statute books, the Logan Act just happens to fit perfectly the situation created by Kushner and Flynn. What other piece of legislation would be appropriate for this crime?”

        Crime? You are hunting for a law to use against someone that you have decided commited a crime? Even though that law is of dubious constitionality? Even though no one has ever been prosecuted in over 200 years? Even though the use of the law has an unsavory history? Even though this law, already dubious in 1799 is even more dubious in a globalized world run by big business? Well, to hell with principle and precedent as long as the law fits your personal agenda. I provide a link to wikipedia discussing the Logan Act for some history. Wikipedia- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

        Forget the Logan Act, that was merely a pretext for entrapping Flynn into supposedly lying to the FBI. Flynn is not being prosecuted under the Logan Act, nor will he be. Trump will not be prosecuted under the Logan Act. This has less to do with Flynn and Trump than about the ongoing demonization of Russia and Putin to justify hostile actions toward Russia. Period. When you argue in favor of the ongoing “investigation,” you are giving aid and comfort to this odious propaganda campaign. Rather than discuss the obvious impact that Israel has on our political system, this whole “investigation” is going to be a smoke and mirrors excercise in associating Trump, et al, with anyone who is Russian. The empire has more-or-less declared a soft power war on Russia. And Hillary and the Democratic Party are as one with the neocon warmongers, and this is what you are de facto supporting? Perhaps unwittingly, however, blind loyalty is not a virtue. Speaking of which, I link to that disgusting Morgan Freeman video to show just how extreme loyal Democrats have become. Morgan Freeman “War with Russia” video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2av__s-598

        I don’t know why you keep emphasizing Flynn lobbying for Israel when you are surely aware that this whole business has nothing to do with that. If it wasn’t for the deep state attempt to demonize Russia and Putin, none of this would be occurring. You can’t seriously believe that anyone would be charged with the Logan Act for lobbying for Israel? This is all about the dishonest attack on so-called Russian influence. And the lies! Everyone here is outraged that Trump and/or his transition team talked to any Russians before taking office officially, as if this was innappropriate and unprecedented. It wasn’t. Furthermore, in his final days in office, Obama lied about Russian interference in our election and tried to sabotage Trump’s stated plan to normalize relations with Russia. He imposed sanctions based upon fraudulent pretexts. Thanks to deep state actions, instead of more normal relations with Russia, we are very hostile, perhaps leading to war, all of it based upon deep state, CIA, Democratic Party lies. And you loyal Democrats go along with it. Things will never improve until you hold people accountable, and right now the Democratic Party warmongers are getting a free pass from their “liberal” followers.

      • Sibiriak
        December 3, 2017, 4:52 pm

        Mooser: [HarryLaw:] “Had Kushner and Flynn suceeded, that Resolution might never have seen the light of day again, and given the green light to massive settlement building and ethnic cleansing.”

        And what a “serious challenge to established imperial policies/ideology” that would be!
        ——————————————-

        FYI, the challenge to established polices mentioned earlier involves possible changes to U.S. policy toward Russia, not Israel.

        Apparently, you are confused on that point.

      • echinococcus
        December 3, 2017, 5:31 pm

        Keith

        right now the Democratic Party warmongers are getting a free pass from their “liberal” followers.

        “Right now”? I’d be happy with just one example, a single occurrence when it hasn’t been so anytime in the last 70 years!

      • HarryLaw
        December 3, 2017, 6:33 pm

        Keith, I, like you know that Russia did not interfere with the US elections and that the whole Mccarthyite propaganda exercise was drummed up by Clinton losing the election. Craig Murray ex Ambassador said it was a leak from inside the DNC. I think this was confirmed by Bill Binney [he should know]. My interest with these latest relevations concern Kushner and Flynns trying to block or pospone that UNSC Resolution at the behest of a foreign power, Israel, that is not disputable. What can be done to stop this abuse.? In the Phil Weiss post “Netanyahu has been interfering in US politics for a long, long time” 3-12-17. I argue in my second comment, that Kushner unlike Flynn has not registered as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act [FARA legislation 1938], [are you happier with that date?] Here is that Act…
        The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) is a United States law passed in 1938 requiring that agents representing the interests of foreign powers in a “political or quasi-political capacity” disclose their relationship with the foreign government and information about related activities and finances. The purpose is to facilitate “evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons.” The law is administered by the FARA Registration Unit of the Counterespionage Section (CES) in the National Security Division (NSD) of the United States Department of Justice.[1] As of 2007 the Justice Department reported there were approximately 1,700 lobbyists representing more than 100 countries before Congress, the White House and the federal government.

      • HarryLaw
        December 3, 2017, 7:04 pm

        Keith, My reference to Flynn having registered with FARA only accounts for his work for the Turkish government, he will not of course have told the US government [Obama] about his work for the Israeli government before Trumps inauguration.

      • Keith
        December 3, 2017, 7:53 pm

        HARRY LAW- “Flynns trying to block or pospone that UNSC Resolution at the behest of a foreign power, Israel, that is not disputable. What can be done to stop this abuse.?”

        For all practical purposes, nothing. Power does what power wants. Nothing will be done about Israel. But Harry, Russiagate isn’t about Israel. Russiagate is about demonizing Russia and Putin, hence, supporting this Russiagate hysteria will have no effect on official actions towards Israel but will provide de facto support for this Russian demonization and increasingly aggressive behavior towards Russia.

  18. catalan
    December 2, 2017, 4:07 pm

    Unfortunately, BDS has encountered a massive setback. The giant Ali Baba is buying a big Israeli startup and building an Israeli office. How do we stop this?
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/alibaba-buying-israeli-startup-visualead-115411766.html

    • Mooser
      December 2, 2017, 5:53 pm

      . “How do we stop this?”

      Gosh, “catalan” you Unitarian-Universalists take your ethics seriously.

      • catalan
        December 2, 2017, 8:01 pm

        “Gosh, “catalan” you Unitarian-Universalists take your ethics seriously”
        We do. I just wrote a letter to Ali Baba’s headquarters telling them all the reasons not to open that office in Israel. Will you do the same? If you and pabelmont and eljay write perhaps they will reconsider.

      • Mooser
        December 2, 2017, 9:15 pm

        “Will you do the same?”

        Well, you are a much better writer than I, so why don’t you put the text of your letter in a comment, and we can all sign it.

      • eljay
        December 2, 2017, 9:57 pm

        || catalan: … If you and pabelmont and eljay write perhaps they will reconsider. ||

        I can’t get a single Zionist – not one, not even a “liberal Zionist”! – to reconsider, so it’s unlikely that I’ll hold any sway over the giant Ali Baba.

      • Mooser
        December 3, 2017, 3:52 pm

        ” so it’s unlikely that I’ll hold any sway over the giant Ali Baba.”

        Exactly, “eljay”. I was hoping to use “catalan’s” letter as a model for my own, or (with his permission) add my signature to his.

    • HarryLaw
      December 3, 2017, 6:54 am

      Catalan, The chinese have agreed to buy a majority share in Ahava which of course has its manufacturing business in the West Bank.
      A Chinese business conglomerate has agreed to become the majority shareholder of the Israeli Ahava Dead Sea minerals cosmetics company for close to $76.5 million. https://www.timesofisrael.com/ahava-bought-by-chinese-conglomerate-in-midst-of-bds-concerns/
      Of course thats the way the Chinese do business, they care not whether they deal with dictators in Africa or anywhere. Just like the good old USA.

      • Kaisa of Finland
        December 3, 2017, 8:37 am

        “Of course thats the way the Chinese do business..”

        Exactly. Some of the Zionists seem to think that the Chinese are going to come and save their a**, after the U.S. has gotten enough.. Well, the Chinese will do business everywhere and with everyone when they see a good business opportunity coming. So they won’t care about the Jews any more they care about the Palestinians outside their businesses. (It might end up Chinese buying the whole area though..)

  19. Citizen
    December 2, 2017, 4:37 pm

    Flynn violations of #LoganAct Lead Directly to #Kushner’s violations of same act: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2017/12/2/israel-is-at-the-centre-of-the-flynn-kushner-affair

  20. HarryLaw
    December 3, 2017, 12:19 pm

    In an earlier comment I thought the Logan Act fitted the bill as to what Kushner and Flynn were up to, I may be wrong but treason might be more appropriate;
    “treason.
    ​(the crime of) showing no loyalty to your country, especially by helping its enemies or trying to defeat its government: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/treason“;
    Israel requests Kushner and Flynn both private citizens to defeat a UNSC Resolution which the US Government were going to allow to pass, both agree to try and defeat that US government action on behalf of a foreign entity [Israel] thats treason.

    • Mooser
      December 3, 2017, 2:19 pm

      “treason.
      ​(the crime of) showing no loyalty to your country, especially by helping its enemies or trying to defeat its government:”

      “Harry” the entire Trump episode is surreal. From the first I kept on thinking: “I can’t think of a man- or for that matter, a family- who has more reason NOT to run for office, and stay out of politics (overtly).”

      It may also be penetrating Trump’s mind that when the tax bilk is signed, the Repubs are done with him.

  21. Donald Johnson
    December 3, 2017, 12:52 pm

    I enjoyed ninallingworth’s take on Russiagate and think she makes a lot of sense. No point in trying to summarize —

    http://www.ninaillingworth.com/2017/12/03/russiagate-swine-emperor-trump-and-me/

  22. Kay24
    December 4, 2017, 5:28 am

    How many other rich American Jews are complicit in Israel’s crimes?
    Juan Cole on Jared Kushner and his family sending thousands of dollars into illegal settlements, and Jared not disclosing it. He is such a slimy character.

    “Researchers from American Bridge and Newsweek have revealed Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and White House senior advisor failed to mention to the Office of Government Ethics, during his March filings, that he was the co-director of the Charles and Seryl Kushner Foundation from 2006 and 2015, which was responsible for funding settlements that were deemed as illegal according to the international law.
    “The first son-in-law has repeatedly amended his financial records since his initial filing in March, along with three separate revisions to his security clearance application. Despite correcting his financial history on multiple occasions, he has yet to include his role as co-director to the family foundation,” Newsweek reported”

    https://www.juancole.com/2017/12/kushner-squatter-settlements.html

  23. hophmi
    December 5, 2017, 2:17 pm

    Predicably antisemitic response from Phil.

    Of course, nearly 2/3 of Americans did not support UN Resolution 2334. So if Jared Kushner is dually loyal, then I guess most of America deserves the same charge. But you’re only bringing it out for Kushner because he’s Jewish. #antisemitism #stopBDSantisemitism

    • Kaisa of Finland
      December 5, 2017, 4:12 pm

      Hophmi:

      It is not about Judaism, it is about a guy who is a real-estate investor and was not voted by anyone to do his job. U.S. claims to be a democracy, but its president behaves like a Saudi King.

      Had the son-in-law been a Palestinian, you would be crying here your eyes off: How wrong it is – so wrong..

    • Mooser
      December 5, 2017, 5:32 pm

      “Predicably antisemitic response from Phil.”

      “Predicably” (sic) unpredictable response from “Hophmi”

      “Hophmi” please try not to be to disappointed in Phil, as you say: “Self-hatred is a disease. It is a sad disease borne of many generations of persecution, but it is a disease. And Phil is afflicted with it, as many Jews have been in the past. And it is usually the self-haters who cause the worst damage to the Jewish community, precisely because of how small it is.
      American Jewry, and the American-Israel relationship will survive the Phils of this world. American Jews, long a positive force in American society, will continue to be, far into the future, and Israel will endure, far into the future. The Phils will fall away, as they always do.”

    • Mooser
      December 8, 2017, 7:30 pm

      “But you’re only bringing it out for Kushner because he’s Jewish” “Hophmi”

      That’s funny, that’s pretty much the same reason Haim Saban told Kushner his efforts were doomed to failure:

      “I don’t know how you’ve lasted eight months with this lineup,” Saban told President Donald Trump’s son-in-law. “And it’s impressive that it’s still going. There’s not a Middle East [expert] in this group.”
      “I mean, how do you operate with people who basically — you know, with all due respect are a bunch of orthodox Jews who have no idea about anything?” he wondered. “What are you guys doing? Seriously, I don’t understand this.”

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