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The problem for Israel and Zionists supporters, is that once you understand the history, when you smear away all the greasy hasbara and subterfuge, it's a criminal operation that the US should be against.
At this point, in the history of the world, Israel is fighting for tiny gains in their continued occupation.
They can survive with their 67 borders, but they love to cheat the system - hiding behind the legs of the US political and military machine. I'm surprised that many more Zionists are not embarrassed by what is happening today. It's so bizarre how it all is undetected by average monkey in the US.
It reminds me of when the IDF destroyed the only flour mill in Gaza during Cast Lead. Someone should investigate these little actions, and they'll find it amounts to ethnic cleansing. Where's Goldstone? I guess they cut his balls off and he went back into hiding.
Also:
Israel closes inquiry into Palestinian family killed during Gaza war
Military says no action will be taken against soldiers responsible for shelling that killed 21 members of the Samouni family in 2009
link to guardian.co.uk
Rudoren published a NYtimes article today.
I don't think I've ever heard a round table discussion on a news program about the 1967 borders that had not felt contrived and realistically balanced.
I'm thinking of Meet the Press, PBS and This Week, etc.
Chris Hayes is doing a good job with his debate format covering the Middle East, but his show is on at *am Saturday morning. What a time slot... His new Book Twilight of the Elites sounds promising:
Since the 1960s, as the meritocracy elevated a more diverse group of men and women into power, they learned to embrace the accelerating inequality that had placed them near the very top. Their ascension heightened social distance and spawned a new American elite--one more prone to failure and corruption than any that came before it.
Cuban American politician paves the way for Mexican American Politician, and then Israel American Politician, so on and so forth. And soon, we won't need lobbies like AIPAC.
Forensic shows proliferated and left us with newer shows where the audience sides with a serial killer, who catches other serial killers. That's transformational and detrimental.
Pictured above are the efforts of an authoritarian nationalist political ideology
at work. Israelis want to cling a the brand of democracy that doesn't exist - they'll wear the pro democracy T-shirt for western eyes.
I don't think a colonial settler state can claim they are democratic by including an acceptable level of minority Palestinians that are under increasingly greater threat from their so-called government of the people.
It's definitely worse. It's like racial hygiene. And isn't it in most cases one person's word over the other?
He said he was a rich neurosurgeon!
No, I didn't!
Yes you did...
How about if I tell you that a majority of Israelis can tell whether the person is Jewish, Arab or Bedouin just after shortly speaking and looking at them?
Of course they can, bunky. How else can one promote racial hygiene? And racism is the byproduct of eugenics. Look at the strong jaw, or the dark eyes. Isn't Darwinism something to marvel at?
Zimmerman's link is worth reading for the problems he encounters, although well intentioned. Resentment is going to build when you're the one driving around town with cell phones and laptops while they live in broken huts. Many of the problems in Haiti are a result of US policies over decades. Take the Creole pig and what occurred after the Asian swine flu in the 1978. This was an poor solution to a complex problem.
The white savior complex may get more mileage if it was called the 'american (media funded) savior complex'. And many churches across America have always participated in aid and support to countries like Haiti.
Teju Cole seems to seems to spurn the publicity of aid and those who package it. I can see why, when Kristof makes such condescending remarks.
Teju Cole:"The White Savior Industrial Complex is a valve for releasing the unbearable pressures that build in a system built on pillage. We can participate in the economic destruction of Haiti over long years, but when the earthquake strikes it feels good to send $10 each to the rescue fund. I have no opposition, in principle, to such donations (I frequently make them myself), but we must do such things only with awareness of what else is involved."
Do you think the hatred stems from the philosophy of a Jew, or the mere sight of a Jew? Is it a combination? It's a genuine concept I've never heard before.
Should've invited A Horowitz to let them know what time it was. You guys need to tag team with this stuff.
and so does AIPAC, anyone can tell you they are a very diverse group of lobbyists- in fact, someone here on this site just made that claim. Not to be forgotten they sit round the Seder table and have guests like Joe Lieberman and Alan Dershowitz. Who runs the organization Tokyo? It's a reverse discrimination club at the Ivy league level. Does Booker come back often to visit? Not sure.
sharp analysis :)
I said, stop discriminating against Arabs and allowing Nabi Saleh to have access to its water. The man in the green skullcap said that such discrimination was by individual landlords , and he denied that the occupation was hateful. I said that the Palestinians did not like it. He said I was calling for the destruction of Israel and I was dangerously naïve.
Yeah, It not the system, only certain individuals with a penchant for schadenfreude. Yeah, that's the ticket!
You were outnumbered by your genteel friends of Israel. If they believe that Palestinians sold the land to Jews that would be red flag number one for an exit strategy.
The football team was the table of Elizier, and the other team (j-street) did nothing. And you watched them use devices to stretch over and make that goal, rhetorical tricks employed at the dinner. They scored points as you drank and watched this spectacle.
The next time you’re feeling guilty in the company of smart and kind strangers, think about the Palestinians who are harmed and brutalized every day by this great thing called Israel. The hosts were attempting to deprogram you.
If Goldstone would reconsider his report after a night with this pleasant company, would this be the January of this year, when the comments policy began to change here? I wonder…You should have saved this one story for Halloween.
And Mayor Cory Booker is down with this crew. geez...
Pluralism? That wasn't the first word that came to mind.
It looks more like authoritarian nationalist political ideology
at work, but I'm not in Israel. What do you mean by pluralism?
Fred that was stupider than anything yonira or DBG could have done, but equally as lazy. Nice work, fact checker. Keep up the entertainment and try not to shoot from the hip.
They're soldiers of the information war. Bloody wars, not their style.
Who is worse? They are both sides of the establishment cranking out speeches that placate their donors.
If I had to gamble, I would say Romney.
We've already been witness to the current limitations
of the incumbent.
I like the comparatives made here. The hypocrisy is in full display here. This is the same man that was on a plane to Egypt after his election to make his historic speech titled, A New Beginning.
What irks me is how he can be so malleable for a venue. He want's to be the man who give the big speeches, but his actions within closed events and his lack of political will are what makes us all wonder who this man really is. Knowing how to placate well has never been an ideal trait of leadership.
I believe a full boycott is going to be the effective act to shame this country into their decades of war crimes. A country, the size of New Jersey, and the boycotting is aimed at a portion of that ? Come on...half of the people in the US don't even know what Ahava is.
The occupation is wholy embraced by the state, its govt, the military and most of the people.
Effective letter.
(was it 1/3 or 2/3?)
It really doesn't matter who is sitting on that couch -it could be Barack Obama and Chuck Shumer. They are just as much to blame as these two schlubs. Everyone in this system is responsible. These guys are the candles of the cake.
But, I'm sure someone like reporter-cum-pundit Gloria Borger could put a marvelous spin on this photo, if it ever made it into the msm's laundering pool of sanitary topics.
Why does a US president need to attend these memorials?
Placating one political group that gives a great amount of political contributions is something that may be politically shrewd, but is it sincere? Everyone in this country has questioned Obama's commitment to Israel on both sides, and this seems like more political theater, even if he is has the best of intentions. The exploitation of Jewish suffering for political gain, is not an admirable one.
(and written by an angry 15 year old. That comment should not be allowed, given it's embarrassing for Israel supporters and this comment section. A top comment like that is trolling and damages the seriousness of discussion.)
Skunk is a real nasty invention. The propaganda goes something like this: the recipe is based entirely on natural organic ingredients, including yeast and baking powder, does not include any harmful materials, and may even be ingested without causing harm.
So this is a helpful agent in place of tear gas or other devices. And of course this would be used at the discretion of the military. If an immense skunk bomb should be dropped on Tel Aviv, would it be harmless?
The involvement of two panelists who violate international law in their daily lives proves the conference's lack of credibility...
I would agree. Having a farm on occupied land is illegal, period. The only structure that can be built on occupied land are military outposts. Having farms and new settler towns spring up is the rotten core of Israeli expansion.
The Israel occupation is not about occupation for defensive borders, it's about land acquisition, and in that process robs the indigenous of their right to live freely. It's an oppressor that all of the Israelis and Americans are guilty of. Americans have to recognize that the Israel system of settlements and occupation, funded by political power and capitol, is a volatile powder keg on the legitimacy of American rule.
No one respects a rotten leader, especially one that allows laws to be broken while saying they are in support of the greater legal establishment. Israel is damaging the US and the rest of the world with their greedy scheming. The Arab world is sick of this because it's humiliating. It would be the same situation for people of Montana if Canadians were taking over their towns and pushing the indigenous into neighboring states. Hezbollah leader Nasrallah came to understand the plight Palestinians - they were displaced and forced into Lebanon communities because of Israel.
I won’t dignify your nonsense about how Jews are pushing us toward war in Iran or your nonsense about the ringleaders for a war that was overwhelmingly supported by the American people when it started.
Don't you read this blog? Many of the articles discuss how American Jews in high places are pushing for War with Iran (or Iraq) on behalf of Israel. Just look at the articles about Jeffrey Goldberg and you'll see what dual loyalty issues he faces. It may be difficult for you to see because you face the same challenges.
Should Johnathan Pollard be released Hophmi, or should he free set free as Israel wishes? Here is one conflict that seperates the 2 nations, yet you would say there is nothing to see here, move along please.
You Jew-count when you said Jews have higher IQ’s than the rest of humanity.
Les Moonves is the grand nephew of David Ben Gurion. I would think that he may have some bias toward the state of Israel.
He's some reading.
February 1, 2012
Zionism and the three-picture deal
Hollywood rediscovers the Jewish state
What is happening now, however, is more than a revival or renewal of past ties. Hollywood and Israel have become enmeshed in a relationship that is not about a religious awakening or even fervent Zionism — it is a practical business relationship of investment and trade. Hollywood, it could be said, is leading the anti-boycott movement, valuing Israel for its creative resources and paying handsomely for them...
“I met each and every one — if I had to call Les Moonves, I called Les Moonves. I spoke to every person I had to, told them the Zionist story. And I saw a lot of progress,”
link to jewishjournal.com
Hophmi, the man, intolerantly devoted to your opinions and prejudices and blind support of Israel. You never recon the facts of Israel's occupation. The Mamilla cemetary for your Museum of Tolerance. This is all part of the great state that you support.
The Bob Simon story didn’t begin to explain Israel’s occupation. It danced around it and was inaccurate. See Yousef Munayyer’s article ‘What 60 minutes got right and wrong’, but read it with an open mind (He is a Palestinian).
Grow up Hophmi, Nefarious are your words. You always Jew-count when it supports your arguments, but now that we start to look at who is atop the msm empire you act coy. Let say CBS’s CEO Les Moonves. Sure he may not oversee all of the stories that 60 Minutes runs, but he will install those that are friendly to Israel’s developments (including ignoring stories like the 47 year occupation). If the CEO of a company is a big Texan with and a major oil tycoon, as an employee your not likely to run with big stories of oil corruption in Texas as a reporter there. Don’t play dumb here, it’s lame and you’re older than that.
You won't engage because your rose-colored glasses are on. It's what makes Hophmi unique (his complete failure to see the darkness when he's knee deep in the mud). Just, put on the old shades and sing an Israeli jingle.
There's religion and then there is tribal political power structure. Don't confuse the two concepts. You clearly know the difference.
Holy sh*t is an understatement by Rosenberg. Any story about Israel is likely to be damaging because neo-colonialism and a five-decade (approaching 50 years) occupation can only be sugar-coated to such a degree.
The Pro-Israel American community that supports Israel knows Israel is
not an majestic ocean liner, but a bloody pirate ship. They just don't want the secret to get out to the greater American public.
If that's not sweet and caring, I dont know what is. Such good people of the book they say.
How tiring to hear this congressional US house whip, spiel
about his middle east fuhrer.
I don' think Israel will manage next next to suck the US into
an escalating war with Iran. No politician is willing to go for
another shot at a war when we are zero for 2 in successive
failed missions. No Israeli or US Zionist politician can
make a successful case for it, especially based on the global economy today.
And Cantor has a likability problem as well. His agenda is as transparent as Joe Lieberman and Co.
Terrible story. This is what we support? I am disgusted.
It's sad to note that Israel is creating it's own demise,
even if people in Tel Aviv don't wish to accept it, or Americans
who have the right of return. It's rotten...
Selling of body parts is quite a weak point to argue, because when it blows up in your face you 're using the slanderous 'blood libel'. You shouldn't bring it up if it damages your argument. It's like you don't have a leg to stand on.
Assange could one day act as a consultant to retrain the US media lackeys.
I don't think Anderson Cooper or any of the usual suspects could interview someone as important as Nasrallah. They would have to act as servant to the establishment.
Part of the problem is the media has lost it's way, but the other part is that society is slow to understand how they are being deceived by the media. (When was the last time we saw a poll on if the public trusts the US media)
Alas, the internet is changing the so called 'facts on the ground'. But often people don't know the difference between Hezbollah and Hamas, yet they know about KONY 2012 and details like Mitt Romney's dog is named Seamus.
A few years ago Scott Pelli interviewed Ahmadinejad on behalf of 60 Minutes. His questioning was so staged and contrived, that the Iranian President was laughing at him and asking if was an agent of the CIA.
I mean it was bad, really bad.
talk-show celebrity Irit Linur.
Never heard of her. Is she the Oprah of Israel?
Twisted to say the least. The revenge against the goyim seems limitless to the Israeli mind.
The Sarkozy Obama flap should have been a wake up call for
Netanyahu and his political lies. If these guys were caught on
tape, imagine how many other statesman must be calling this
Israeli goon a common liar.
This is the genius that represents Israel? At least with GW you
could have a beer with him even if he had the mind of a child.
This guy is plain creepy, day or night.
The students were encouraged to believe the world hates them. If that's not one key ingredient to ethnocentric indoctrination, I'm not sure what else is.
That will be the Mike Wallace I always will remember.
I believe he was Russian. Wallik was the surname.
Myron Leon "Mike" Wallik
“I’ve always wondered why Walt and Mearsheimer’s book never appeared on “60 Minutes.”….”
may be b/c Les Mooves, CEO and President of CBS, has stake in Israel. Moonves is the great-nephew of David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel. I would think if the CEO has this bond to a developing country, he will put those in charge at CBS [especially 60 Minutes] to carefully watch that overtly harsh criticism of Israel is forbidden and filtered.
As Daneilla and her settle youth builds her tousled residential outposts in the West Bank hilltops, those watching should consider that this is the fantasy of the state being constructed for the eyes of Jews worldwide. I’m not sure if this illusion is more necessary for Israel of American Zionists?
And this rugged settler archetype is often closely guarded by a state military (IDF) to help them whenever required. Can you imagine if the wild west of the United States could call on a modern military that could be there in minutes to defend Manifest Destiny?
""I wake up every morning with an orchestra in my heart," she says. As well as fighting the government and army on the demolition of outposts, she is also engaged in a row with the official settler umbrella body, the Council of Jewish Communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza, for negotiating with the government over outpost evacuation. "Their sin is that they are willing to compromise ideologically," said Mrs Weiss. -Daniella Weiss ~67 years old.
link to thejc.com
To imitate early colonial America, you need to imitate the early Americans, but is this merely a sideshow attraction? Settlers tales seems like a crafted image for the diaspora to marvel and reflect on how the early Jewish settlers were living in the wilderness to survive - fighting for their love of their reclaimed Y'israel. But in reality, if they get sick in this ‘wilderness’, they are a maximum of 45 miles (71 Km) from Tel Aviv medical and municipal services.
That bugle won't save them, nor will their nuclear arsenal. The more you think about a unified Arab world, the less likely you think of Israel maintaining it's hegemony there. The Egyptians are choosing a new path and the Turks are ambivalent. Israel should concern itself with its own long-term preservation, as opposed to taking more land from Palestinians.
"They knew only too well why they must thwart the two-state solution (in its original, pre-1967 borders format ). It would have led to different ways of living together and sharing the land. But the basic logic of these ways of life requires giving up Jewish hegemony and superiority."
I think the time for pro Israel chest-beating has came and went - one hopes. Netanyahu may be one in a long line of Israeli baboons to come. It may definitely get worse. It's like Israelis need to show the world how destructive they are to foment their global anti semitism crusade.
There is a certain percentage of Palestinian rights activists that only care about Palestinians because they hate Jews even more.
And I thought I was cynical. Can you provide some examples of these undercover agents that have infiltrated these pro Palestinian movements.
stopaipac, you're killing me, man.
My point is that people in the world may get to understand the Israeli occupation from leaders that you don't always agree with. I'm not talking about white supremacists, but people like Alison Weir and Ron Paul make a certain set of people understand the Palestinian-Israel problem. Scott McConnell who would write for this site said years ago said that it would take people from the right and left inside the US to come to terms to resolve this issue, and I believe that is still the case. We can't change Israel, it's not our country.
I don't know anything about Douglas, but I suppose Allison doesn't pass the smell test, just like Ron Paul didn't pass your smell test. In sum, Weir is doing more than stopaipac to get the message out. No doubt Atzmon is on your list.
fyi: Gurwitz on Beinart's Book, too little, too late.
link to 972mag.com
(look who the first commenter is in the comments)
Mayhem, you're engaging in trolling, not dialogue. I'm not going to bite at more of your b/s. That Tobin piece was small-time complaining against a significant institution.
The majority of the people who I spoke with didn’t notice it [small lettering] initially & that includes 2 attorneys who are professional trained to read documents.
If your 2 lawyers didn't notice this small lettering why would it be important? Please tell us what the lettering actual says. I can only anticipate the next answer - You cannot because it's an ongoing investigation.
robinseyes: "The copy of the notice that I recived from my child made a claim in extremely small lettering at the bottom of the page. That is only noticable to anyone who re- reads it after further examination of the document. "
I seriously doubt there is anything in small lettering, and if there was why would you not explain and leave it as a mystery if it's important to your serious claims of anti Semitism. This is an example of back-peddling and treading down another path. Phan already destroyed your arguments. Don't waste him time, as he's got more important articles to publish than to counter a supposed parent with a special letter that has very small words that amount to zilch.
But if there is a letter with small lettering at the bottom, you should send it to the police if it merits any importance.
Mayhem, I am unclear why you are linking me to an Australian incident about anti-Semitism. when we were discussing the United States. Stick to the topic if you want to try to convince me or any others.
For your second Commentary article, you should learn to read more carefully, because this is Tobin's OPINION piece. Let me make it easy for you: (cut from Tobin's article w/o edit)
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The Reality of Campus Anti-Semitism - Jonathan S. Tobin
link to commentarymagazine.com
Excerpt 1: American Association of University Professors [AAUP]
"In a newsletter on the AAUP website, Cary Nelson (the association’s president) and Kenneth Stern of the American Jewish Committee contend that recent events on American university campuses—at Berkeley, Santa Cruz, and Rutgers in addition to Irvine—do not rise to the level of a “working definition” of anti-Semitism. Calls for redress by Jewish students and professors are nothing more, they conclude, than an unscrupulous effort to “censor anti-Israel remarks.”"
Excerpt 2: Tobin's OPINION:
"But Nelson and Stern are wrong both about the situation on campus. And they are wrong about the motivations of those whose activism led the U.S. Department of Education to issue its ruling."
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Notice that Kenneth Stern of the AJC was also in agreement with AAUP. Please don't waste my time if your going to post articles that don't even prove your own point.
Can you at least recognize that this is Tobin's opinion that is opposed to what the American Association of University Professors have ruled? Tobin, the editor of Commentary vs. the AAUP (supported by the AJC)? I think I will go with the majority opinion on this one.
I just found this polling data at the ADL that indicates that Anti Semitism is at high levels. More than 50% of the 10 European countries polled say that Jews are more loyal to Israel than their own nation.:
link to adl.org
The bullying of Jewish and Zionist students has become commonplace; The fundamental issue is that American college campuses have become a hotbed of anti-Zionist propaganda that can sometime blur the line between inflammatory political arguments and outright Jew-hatred.
Mayhem,
Do you have any proof to reinforce these statements? I was unaware that bullying of Jewish students in America was commonplace and that college campuses have become a hotbed of anti-Zionist propaganda. Any links would be helpful. Thanks.
Scaring the community to be vigilant may be part of the tribal cohesiveness, but are these people really frightened by this posting on their door? Feigning the victim is ultimately scoring a win for Israel propaganda.
This will serve as a useful example to avoid posting protest signs on doors of students, as it will be misconstrued to target certain individuals.
It's odd that Rayna Exelbierd, in the Jewish Journal, is considering it a hate crime. That's a loose interpretation.
Exelbierd said students are very concerned. “We’re taking it very seriously,” she said. “We’re considering it a hate crime. The flier promotes hate; it doesn’t promote peace. People were scared by it. People felt threatened by it.”
link to articles.sun-sentinel.com
merlot, thanks for this info.
Interviews like this are something you should have more of. They open a window into a world that many do not get to see.
These Martyrs on the wall are the the ones fighting for their freedom from occupation. And, for all the openness that the US media pretends to represent, the general American population cannot see that Palestinians are the oppressed people (were told it's the people of Sderot). When has a US reporter ever shown the statistics of the conflict provided by B'Tselem?
Once the smoke screen clears, if it ever does, Israel is going to be despised by a sizable percentage of people that were deceived. Many recent polls indicate that US citizens are increasingly ambivalent about the contradictions of supporting this state. It's aggravating that progress on this issue is crawling along, even in 2012.
Pollard will likely die in prison. No US president is going to risk allowing a know traitor out of prison to live in another country. I think this is done by Shimon Peres as another demand that the president has not met.
giladg:
You failed to respond to mig's question. In the least, you could have acknowledged the blatant contradiction.
But you seem to be saying Israel affords rights to the good Arabs and not the bad ones that vote for Hamas. But Arabs inside Israel cannot vote for Hamas, so what are you saying?
likely delusions from Passover.
“Pour out your wrath!” The devastating fiction of Passover
link to redress.cc
There are two sentences in the Haggadah that always had – and still have – a profound impact on the present.
One is the central idea on which almost all Jews base their historical outlook: “In every generation they rise against us to destroy us”.
This does not apply to a specific time or to a specific place. It is regarded as an eternal truth that applies to all places, all times. ”They” is the entire outside world, all non-Jews everywhere. Children hear this on Seder evening on their father’s knee, long before they are able to read and write, and from then on they hear or recite it every year for decades. It expresses the total conscious or unconscious conviction of almost all Jews, whether in Los Angeles, California or in Lod, Israel. It certainly directs the policy of the state of Israel.
The second sentence, which complements the first, is a cry to God: “Pour out your wrath upon the nations that do not know you … for they have devoured Jacob and desolated his home…Pour out your wrath on them! May your blazing anger overtake them! Pursue them from under the heavens of the Lord!…”
The word “nations” in this text has a double meaning. The Hebrew word is goyim, an ancient Hebrew term for “peoples”. Even the ancient Children of Israel were called a “Holy Goy”. But over the centuries the word has taken on another meaning, and is understood to refer to all non-Jews, in a very derogatory way. (As in the Yiddish song “Oy, Oy, Oy, / Drunk is the Goy.”)
"the sense of betrayal is intense. I think of myself of reasonably level-headed, but it did take a while for that feeling to dissipate."
-I feel the same sense. It's an ugly reality beneath these overt deceptions -it makes ones stomach turn.
Friends Seminary has a tradition against being antiwar, they began as a Quaker school after all. At this point they may been Quaker in name only. After the Iraq US led invasion they had a giant banner outside their school that read 'Torture is Wrong'.
If Abe and his cohorts want to defend a criminal occupation, don't expect everyone in nyc to back this fascist enterprise. I don't have the words to describe how immoral and corrosive these clandestine attacks are from Zionists. It reveals a decay in liberal and moral values of an open society. Foxman is like that facehugger in the movie Alien that attaches to your face and plants an egg in your stomach - that is what's happening at Friends.
Hophmi, I suppose Kathleen's gentile perspective threatens your security in America. You are such a bitter feckless wimp when you throw your tantrums.
hophmi: The point is that more than half of Europe’s Jewish population was wiped out. We cannot rely on gentiles to secure our safety. We must rely on ourselves.
link to mondoweiss.net
This comment is such an example of Israeli first behavior. People your age aren't as frantic to save Israel inside the US. Why this fixation with the state, or is this grandstanding performance about something else?
A lot of mixed messaging from Finkelstein lately. I feel like he yelled fire for so long now that people are showing up, he's downplaying the intensity of the blaze.
“The Jewish community has always taken care of its own. There isn’t any reason why Connecticut children and Connecticut people have to pay the price for a country that is not impoverished,” Whitnum said.
It's a good thing that it's a woman calling the man a whore:
Lee Whitnum “What I would like to propose is a prosecution of settlers here, American settlers, who go to Israel and maim or kill in the Promised Land. Since 2000, 66,000 of the indigenous culture have been killed, many of them by American settlers. This is viewed all over the Middle East and we are hated for this worldwide.”
Rich, I read your defense of Atzmon a couple of weeks back (Permission to examine “Jewishness”) and I agree with what you had said, esp relating to Abunimah. Is is possible that libel from Brent black may be b/c of Atzmon?
And with a song like 'In Palestine' how did Brent Black not realize what your album was about? I suppose someone is leaning on him hard.
it was a sardonic comment. sorry.
The current Pope (Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger) in 1941 was conscripted into the Hitler Youth. I guess his moral weight is rather diminished as well.
While the Western focus is solely on Israel's destruction, they are neglectful of the blood that will be spilled of the Iranian people. Preemptive war is worse than any other war. It starts bloodshed without the realization that a war may never occur.
Besides, Israel's dissolution will come with or without the Iranian strike. They cannot even draft a constitution, but they will always take more land, while proclaiming 'We're a democracy' fellow westerners. If the western media wanted to turn to heat up on this glib occupation and land theft, they can start by asking the 60year-old state for a declaration and a constitution.
"I admit: I will be silent no longer, because I am sick of the hypocrisy of the West".
It feels moral to stand up and say it as he did, and it's contagious to others.
This may be the report through amazon:
A CIA study casts doubt over Israel's survival beyond the next 20 years. It predicts "an inexorable movement away from a two-state to a one-state solution, as the most viable model based on democratic principles of full equality that sheds the looming specter of colonial apartheid while allowing for the return of the 1947/1948 and 1967 refugees. The latter being the precondition for sustainable peace in the region".
link to amazon.com
Sorry, Seafoid. -see below.
"Some members of the US Senate Intelligence Committee have been informed of the report."
"The study, which has been made available only to a certain number of individuals, further forecasts the return of all Palestinian refugees to the occupied territories, and the exodus of two million Israeli – who would move to the US in the next fifteen years."
link to allvoices.com
The 1948 map gives much of the desirable land to the Israelis, and Israel's colonial ethnic cleansing operation over the last half century should not be rewarded with 78% of the territory. This may have worked in the early American settlements, but the influx of immigrants was unending, and Israel doesn't have these reinforcements. Even the nuclear arsenal is just a deterrent, that is completely impractical for the war that could be waged. Additionally, they've soured their relations with the neighboring countries - and that damage will never fully be repaired.
Eventually one state will be implemented and the the most of the Jews in Israel, mainly Ashkenazi, will take flight to live in other countries. The CIA report about Israel's collapse in 20 years could be a reality sooner than we think.
You take my water. Burn my Olive Trees. Destroy my house. Take my job. Steal my Land. Imprison my Mother. Bomb my country. Starve us all. Humiliate us all. But I am to blame: I shot a rocket back". - Sign carried near Hyde Park Corner during a demonstration in London on 2/15/09 by a Member of the British Parliament.
link to palestinechronicle.com
Christie is like the new potential viceroy for the new oligarchs.
Our political system is a sham.
Avoiding religious sub-components, think of it as a varied ethnic group that was persecuted in the previous centuries inside all of Europe that made a choice to establish a utopia away from the oppressors- calling it Israel. These new journeymen could make a new home by throwing out the native inhabitants, to establish their utopia. But as the growth of the state continued, they lacked a plan to overtake the inhabitants and found that they would not leave, because there will was much stronger than they has assumed. The irony was that they created the same oppressive conditions to the native people that were brought upon them for centuries. But they could not understand their dilemma, because their story was too unique to themselves and for the greater world to comprehend.
Good point(s). Jewish identity one can argue is stronger than identifying with the United States to a percentage of American Jews. The wandering story and homeland is something that both right and left believe in.
Being American is something most of us primarily identify with, but there are many Jewish-Americans that cannot separate the two. Some of the Israel Firsters in these comments are American, but their first priority is Israel. Regarding the United States, sure they believe in it, but they feel the US is not under the pressure that Israel is under. So, if they can only get those additional acres of land, one day they may be safe... so on and so forth. They're working on their global security, and that may never be accomplished, but I'm not sure that is the point for them.
Breaking this foreign bond to a once ideological utopia is something that their leadership in the US is unwilling to do at this point. They may want to reflect on the train wreck that's coming, but they think it's under control. And they're buttressed by our Congress, so why as they say should you even care. The US is in full support of them.
Gilad was traded for 1000 prisoners and was able to walk away with his life. You ethnocentric chauvinism may be clouding your sound judgement here.
"Shalabi, age 30, was exiled to the besieged Gaza Strip from her home in Burqin, Jenin for three years by Israel"
Is Gaza the prison camp for West Bank Palestinians? I was unaware you could be exiled to Gaza from the WB.
It was at the RNC in NYC in 2004. Sitting atop a big white police truck that was built for it. I tried to find a picture of the vehicle. Very imposing, made you feel like a small insect and it was a giant fly swatter. I thought it was larger than the one picture in the wiki link.
The NYPD had a long range acoustic device ready for use at the antiwar protests on 7th Ave and 34th Street. In case things got out of hand they had, which I believe was a low frequency generator aimed down 7th Ave. I think these demonstration videos shot by the israeli forces will be used as a training tool for other officers worldwide, for the G8 summit and that sort of venue.A by-product of tghe occupation that can be sold to global security firms.