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Those Bantustans being part of Judea/Samaria in the minds of deluded Zionists.
Why is veryIll1948 still posting after his repeated Nakba denial?
So once again Israel wants to eat the cake as well. On the one hand "Judea and Samaria"are part of Israel yet if you visit them you're in breach of your visa to enter Israel because you ventured to territory that is NOT Israel.
If Judea and Samaria are NOT part of Israel then no-one should need the permission of Israeli officials. I have absolutely no desire to ever set foot in Israel however if I wish to travel from Jordan to Bethlehem I need Israeli permission not that of the PA.
To get angry over Israeli broken promises one would presumably have to have belived they would uphold them, in the face of 65 years of evidence to the contrary. I don't think Kerry is that stupid so can only assume his anger is entirely bogus.
So let me see if I've got this straight. If the nations you are illegally bombing just happen to be majority Muslim its a coincidence but if the country an individual chooses to boycott happens to have a Jewish majority then it's a sign that they're an inveterate anti-Semite?
I'd say it's more a case of knowing that it doesn't matter how stupid the lie, there will be no adverse consequences. If I could get out of my next speeding ticket by claiming I was being chased by an axe wielding psychopath driving an invisible yellow tank, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't bother coming up with something believable next time.
For the same reason Australia's PM appointed a specific "liaison" between her office and the Jewish community while no such position exists to liaise with any other religious community. Some animals are more equal than others.
Presumably you'd argue that any who managed to flee the firing should never be allowed to return.
Australia not only stores weapons for the US we also have US forces based here and we've followed Uncle Sam into every war and many undeclared foreign adventures since WW2, something bosom buddy Israel has conspicuously avoided. We are party to the visa waiver program also but we don't get any special exemptions in thanks for our strategic support. So you can add 'clear military and economic alliance' to the list of theories you espoused that have been debunked all too easilly in this thread.
Living somewhere during your gap year does not stop you being an outsider Marissa and whether you like it or not YOUR freedom to pray in Jerusalem (which existed pre-1948 BTW) as an American citizen comes at the expense of millions of Palestinians who no longer have that freedom. That you are blind to this is expected but I'm puzzled by the inclusion here at MW. Lots of settlers will tell you that they're just happy to be able to live and pray in Hebron, its not exactly the full story is it?
Do any of those countries receive over $3 billion per annum in US aid, no interest loans and other financial gifts?
Why does a nation so technologically & financially brilliant need to be subsidized by US taxpayers? Either Israel is a non sustainable economic basket case OR it's patently greedy & immoral (or both)
Steps for entering Palestine. Deactivate any and all social media accounts. Set up a hotmail account completely unconnected from any other email (get some friends to email a few random things to it so it's not suspiciously empty). Have your cover story well thought out (don't say you're really into history and that's why you've come to Israel and then not be able to name any specific site). If possible have some Israeli friends (non politically active) willing to say you will be staying with them. Not much you can do about google but luckily for me, for both Arabic and Hebrew speakers the connection between the name on my passport and the one I use is less obvious. Arriving via the Allenby Bridge is a slightly better bet than flying into TA and if you have to fly, don't travel with El Al.
They only have to stop a few people before the investment of a few thousand dollars for airfares (depending on where you live) only to be deported on arrival starts to be prohibitive for most folk. I'll admit it's put me off, my next trip will be to Gaza only via Egypt to avoid it.
If your passport and online footprint is clean you should go now before the Israeli government starts making it even harder.
I'm pretty sure Phil has a gun to miriam's head, forcing her to comment here, it's the only explanation for the increasingly vituperative nature of her posts given this mere blog, run by a hack, is so inconsequential.
Front page banner on today's biggest selling daily metro Melbourne paper; "Face the facts on the Muslim threat".
I often hate living here.
Try actually READING articles before commenting Hophmi, you'd look less stupid (not much admittedly)
Mendes once claimed I was a liar because when a LTTE I wrote about the morality of BDS was printed, I didn't write that I was a known activist for Palestine. In other words at the end of a letter in support of the BDS I didn't write "I support Palestinian liberation".
He's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
So you support racial segregation in Israel but think its reasonable to slur all those opposed to a political theory as definitely bigoted. I led a very misspent youth but not once did I find a drug as powerful as the one you're apparently on RJL
You're aware that even an Israeli investigation found Israeli culpable for the massacres right?
You're aware that the IDF set up perimeters and policed them so people fleeing had nowhere to go right?
You're aware that the IDF lit the area up like a Christmas tree allowing the Phalangists to slaughter men, women & children more efficiently right?
You're aware that the IDF watched the whole thing and made absolutely no attempt to end it right?
How would an ISRAELI 14 year old SUSPECTED of committing a crime be dealt with RJL? Would 8 armed men drag him from his bed, detain him without legal representation and hold him for up to several months on the say so of the military?
Even if they were suspected of a much more serious crime, say murder, would the treatment of an Israeli child be even remotely comparable?
This question is about as relevant as asking what would be done with him if he were a hippopotamus. He DIDN'T use a gun or shoot anyone. In sane nations 14 year olds are not arrested in the wee hours by 8 gun toting soldiers, detained and interrogated without access to legal representation on the suspicion of stone throwing.
Of course in sane nations soldiers do not partake in law enforcement and laws do not extend outside the borders of the state.
You can not excuse this giladg, there is no justification and you know it.
It failed because the ONLY evidence that this moron could come up with (despite exy legal representation) that the union displayed ANY anti-semitism was that it discussed boycotting ISRAEL (not Jews). The testimony provided by those supporting this nonsense was castigated as utterly false & misleading.
Had he been able to actually point to any discrimination then it wouldn't have failed.
Hopefully a member of the union will put forward a motion to expel him now. If you don't like a political position taken by your union you campaign against it, you don't waste a shitload of members money on a bullshit lawsuit.
Even if that hand had previously had an argument with a chainsaw.
If people support ethnic cleansing, theft, occupation, arbitrary arrest & detention & murder for 60 odd years that makes them fair game. All the rest is silly semantics.
Hophmi, no-one will argue against an assertion that plenty of Australians are racist tools but this is not the same as the NATION discriminating against its indigenous population.
I can name many Israeli laws that explicitly discrimate against Palestinians (even if we just look within the Green line), can you please name ONE law in Australia that does so.
So you'll start referring to Palestinian citizens of Israel rather than Arab-Israelis I guess?
So you equate having drug convictions or convictions for being a violent misogynist shit to being a photographer on a holiday?
Welcome to visit Israel anytime? Does that apply to all of us? Next time I'm harassed or denied by Israel can I say "hey fascist immigration flunkies, according to dimadok I'm welcome anytime so give me my memory card & iPad back, stop trawling through my history like a sad demented stalker and just let me in OK"?
Especially when you consider how many times Palestinians are blamed for the injuries to their kids (although their injuries usually come from those well known non lethal things called bullets) because they "shouldn't have been there" even though they have no choice in the matter unlike the children of people who move to a conflict zone in order to fulfil some nonsense fairy story told thousands of years ago.
Palestinians have known that for a very long time now.
It has never attacked the US military; oh wait hang on... It has never attacked US citizens; nope can't run that one either...It supports the US financially; yeah OK that really won't fly...It sends troops to fight alongside the US in its never ending imperial quest; dammit I'm outta 'arguments'
I have some sympathy for the Zionist trolls here, unless you're pathological liar, it's a hard road.
People wouldn't bring it up at all if the constant references to the 'historic homeland' nonsense by Zionists would cease.
Personally I agree that it's irrelevant. My 'historic homelands' includes Ireland, Norway and the East African Rift Valley. It doesn't mean I have a right to take any of that land by force & kill, expel & oppress those currently living there. The reality or otherwise of the homeland myth also ignores the blatantly obvious historical fact that people lived in the land between the Jordan River & the sea long before Judaism was ever conceived and have continued to do so ever since. It also ignores the similarly obvious fact that some people who were Jews eventually became Christians and/or Muslims.
The Khazar thing is an irrelevant distraction but if Zionists don't like hearing it they should stop throwing in their specious & irrelevant stories.
I was struck by that line too, and more so that I haven't seen one mainstream report on the speech comment on it.
It's pretty simple, the amount of land being stolen is increasing. The number of colonists is increasing, the number of checkpoints and closures is increasing. The obdurate crimes of the Israeli state are increasing.
It doesn't work too well in the OPT either, see the list of those arrested without charge, detained, injured & killed for taking part in non violent action against the occupation.
and yet you and your co-colonists argue that criticism of Israel and particularly the BDS campaign is anti-Semitic unless it comes with criticism of every other nation.
And before that no-one in Bethlehem called themselves Jews. At that time Judaism hadnt been dreamt up.
Also if the moderate Zionists are not prepared to take on the radicals I their own societies (especially those in high office) then it appears they agree with those radicals and must take responsibility for their own inaction. Gawd gilad get some better material.
There's an odd thing with expat communities, and it seems to get stronger the more generations removed. The first time I ever saw people wearing kilts to formal events (other than weddings) was when I moved from Scotland to Australia. The 'Scots' here, many of whom have never set foot in the land of the permacloud, were far more overtly Scottish than anyone in family has ever been. Obsessed with "clan tartans" and bagpipes.
Yes because the number of people supporting an idea is a measure of its worth.
As Annie says that is complete bullshit. I was in the West Bank during that "freeze" and there was construction going on in settlements everywhere. I took lots of photos to show people back home who were fond of this lie. It was a boil not a freeze.
Agree that they're a good organisation however I suspect they used those terms because they are attempting to reach a Zionist public, not merely using Israeli official terms. Amnesty, HRW, the UN all manage to avoid the use of the terms Judea and Samaria.
"If there are specific suspicions against youths over the age of criminal responsibility, the police have the authority to detain them and interrogate them, but this cannot justify the mass detention of youths for unspecified suspicions, let alone the arrest or detention of children under twelve"
Under Israeli nonsense law the police may have the authority to detain & interrogate children for specific offenses. In sane democratic nations the police have zero authority to detain and arrest anyone outside the borders of their own nation.
Americans are paying for it, either give up the billions or accept that the cheque might come with comments.
Has any feminist organisation colonized, occupied and brutalized a nation of men to impose a Female State?
"Why would anti-Semitism “flare up in the near future?” Is it because Gentiles are intrinsically irrational Jew haters"
And are people who believe this to be so anti-Gentile? Should we be worried about their anti-gentilism flaring up? Should we base laws on this fear?
It is the legal sense of the word that matters, what you think is irrelevant.
Just curious because this is the second time you've done it. Is there any reason you neglect the 1.7 million Palestinians living in Gaza?
I believe in the flying spaghetti monster and his book says I can take your home. So you'll be OK with that right?
Presumably you're also OK with genocide, rape & slavery given how down with it the Lord's prophets have been.
AKA irrational nutcase attempts to support his argument by pointing out that he's an irrational nutcase.
Once upon a time no-one would have argued if you stated that there was no chance the ruling white minority in South Africa would ever accept the enfranchisement of the indigenous majority. Then the price of that refusal became too great. Eventually the same will happen to the Zionist state. Pressure and time can literally move mountains.
Does anyone insist that the US has no greater ally than Hamas? Is Hamas funded to the tune of billions per year in US taxpayer funds while millions of Americans go without food, heat & medical care? Does the US consistently excuse Hamas violence?
Personally I wouldn't tip any server wearing a pro occupation t-shirt but that has different implications where I live and people receive a minimum wage that is enough to live on (in hospitality in not great but it's not the below poverty level minimums in the US). When in the US I suspect only being physically assaulted would prevent me from tipping.
Instead of whinging at Annie, why don't YOU find a video presenting a logical reason as to why the world should be OK with Israeli colonization of land that isn't theirs. After that you can post your proof of Big Foots existence.
FFS if you honestly think that then why don't all the non Jewish dedscendents of those people get to move to Israel and gain citizenship? Many of them currently live in the OT or as Palestinian refugees in the diaspora. So when will you advocate that THEY get to "return"? Why do only the the descendents who remained Jewish get to "return"?
In that case there is no normal society, because there is not a nation on earth that doesn't have at least some numpties who don't seem to get much of a calming influence from their religion (see murderers of abortion providers in the US)
So if I stole your car and then insisted you should learn to share it you'd be OK with that? Sharing without consent is called theft anywhere outside the Zionist asylum.
I wrote, 'Fanatical Zionists did COMMA in relation to slavery...' Meaning in relation to the former (Palestine) Zionists cast the first, in relation to the latter (slavery) it wasn't the abolitionists casting first.
Did you really think I was saying that Zionists cast the first stone in relation to the Atlantic slave trade?
Its quite astounding how many millions died while doing nothing to stop the slaughter. Maybe their deaths were brought on by a sedentary lifestyle.
Not to mention the mass protest recently in Acre where hundreds of Jewish Israelis demanded the removal of an Arab who had bought a home in the area. It didn't even matter that the Arab in question was Jewish.
There's a rather large difference. Fanatical Zionists cast the first stone so to speak, in relation to slavery, those who sought to kidnap, torture and own people (ie not the "fanatical" abolitionists) did. Not comparable.
way to miss the point - does France have large tracts of land held exclusively for Christians? Does France deny family reunions based on ethnicity? Does France have segregated public transport? Are people denied entry into France on account of human rights activism? Is the French military posted in towns to ensure only Christians can walk down certain streets? Has France been continuously occupying another nation for 60 plus years whilst refusing to provide the protections required by an occupier? In other words, once again, you are a repulsive ethno-supremacist and compulsive liar.
Is there any chance at all that some day you'll post a comment that isn't a complete distortion of the truth? There is no ban on head covering in France, hats are fine, headscarves are fine, wigs are fine. There is a ban on FACE covering in public and it applies equally to someone wearing a motor cycle helmet as a niqab. It's a stupid law and effects Muslim women more than everyone else in reality but it is simple not analogous to the many many laws and regulations in Israel that explicitly discriminate on the basis on ethnicity. FFS don't you get bored of this? You are not convincing anyone here of anything other than the fact that you are an unrepentant ethno-supremacist.
Jon, do you think the descendants of Native Americans who left the area (for whatever reason) will be prevented from returning to Chicago by massive concrete walls and a very well tooled army with itchy trigger fingers?
Yes Australia was guilty of genocidal programs until at least the mid seventies, a fact acknowledged by all but the virulently right wing. It is called the Stolen Generations. The word genocide has a meaning and it does not require mass killing. You can do it without killing a single living person. You may not like it being applied to Israel but you've yet to explain, with reference to internationally agreed definitions, why it doesn't.
I agree that Nazi comparisons are counterproductive, it seems to instantly raise hackles and cease debate but the following is simply not true;
"First, there is no analogy: even among evils, the Holocaust is in a class by itself, as absolute and unimaginable form of evil as the world has ever known. I don’t say this because its victims were mostly Jewish, like me; it would be just as absolutely and unimaginably evil if the victims of a carefully planned, systematic, and cold-blooded campaign of the literal extermination of millions of people had been any other group. (Needless to say, I trust)"
The Turks did it to Armenians, genocide was planned in Rwanda. Unless you really think that the absolute numbers are the be all and end all then many many other instances of this exact crime have occurred in human history.
Because some of us want to be able to get back into Palestine, which is hard enough as it is without Israeli authorities being able to google your name and instantly deduce that you're *not* actually there to see the fabulous historical sites.
Why do we need a definition for specifically anti-Jewish bigots? How many people are only prejudiced towards Jewish people? The only REAL anti-Semites I've met have also hated all sorts of other people. Bigots works fine.
That was my take too Annie. The story was out, people were speculating and given the reaction of the Israelis in this case, they were speculating this was something very big. Best to damp all that down with a story that presented Zygier as fully committed to Zionism, so much so that when he was stuck behind a desk for his mediocrity he went rogue in an attempt to prove his worth but sadly was taken in by an evil Hezbollah agent who bested him. He was supposedly the cause of the loss of two valued spies for Israel. Meaning the Israeli reaction was justified but Zygier is still a good Zionist who did nothing evil. Call me a cynic but it's way too neat and convenient.
Not neccesarily, like I said I don't think he was in it for the money just that there is no indication that this came about as a result of conscience at all. The only thing that can be said with certainty about the case is that we will never ever know the full story.
I'm not so sure we can be certain that Zygier had a conscience. I suspect he was about to (or they feared he was about to) spill something big but it is equally possible that he was planning to SELL something. Just because Zionists want you dead it doesn't neccesarily follow you're an honorable person.
To be fair he may just be reading (or watching, still making the nightly news, at least SBS & ABC anyway) through the Zionist prism which has a remarkable ability to simply block out inconvenient facts.
What papers are you reading because it's still prominent in the Fairfax papers.
I feel the same. I used to get extremely upset if I was called an anti-Semite because bigots are amongst the lowest of the low in my book and it was offensive that I would be characterized that way merely for opposing the actions of a nation state. It has now become so ridiculous that it's akin to someone angrily calling you a grapefruit. Most other activists I know in the Palestinain solidarity movement feel the same. Zionists never heard the story of the boy who cried wolf apparently.
The insistence that Israel is a firm ally is bizarre. Australia has followed the US into every folly since Vietnam and has never bombed a US warship and has never pushed for the release of a spy who sold its secrets to an enemy possibly causing the deaths of US spooks and informants. Australia has never killed any American human rights volunteers. How many troops did Israel send to Afghanistan again? Would bet my right eye that concerns about perceived slights towards Australia wouldn't ruffle a single feather. Hopefully this insane fuss is making at least some Americans ask what's so special about Israel. Probably won't though.
Great a medal with as much honour as a Nintendo Tournament one. Perfect for our generation.
Any journalist who is shocked by the film should quit their job.
It was posted to you tube, not exactly high level film marketing.
Annie - did you read the MOA piece? in it there is a link to an AlJ story where the theory that this was a planned attack in relation to Al-Libi is reported.
So MOA was the first to report a story even though IN the story he/she links to a very mainstream article saying the same thing yet somehow MOA posted first?