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jon s

An Israeli history teacher,long-time activist on the Israeli Left.

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  • In overwhelming vote, leading Lutheran branch calls on US to cut off aid to Israel
  • Israeli soldier shoots Palestinian taxi driver in head by mistake, then Israel seizes his car and entry permit
    • Refusing to even share a bus, or refusing to compete with Israeli athletes, are ugly and un-sportsmanlike manifestations of bigotry. Certainly not what the Olympics are supposed to be about.

    • a blah chick,
      Just imagine if it had been the other way around, imagine the comments here if the headline had been "Israeli athletes refuse to share a bus with Arab athletes". It would have been all about Israeli racism and bigotry. Yet you support an ugly display of bigotry. And your imagination of what the athletes would be talking about on the bus is way over the top.

    • Mr T,
      You seem to be addressing the wrong commenter.

  • Jewish organizations' response to Black Lives Matter platform demonstrates inability to engage with reality in Israel
    • As for Herzl, he didn't seek the removal of the Arab population. See his "Altneuland":
      link to

      Regarding Jabotinsky and BenGurion , you'll have to do better than "their views are well known".
      Neither of therm proposed removing the Arab population.

    • MrT,
      The perpetrators of the Holocaust were for the most part, directly under Hitler's command, while the perpetrators of the Sabra and Shatila massacres, the Lebanese Phalangists, were indirectly under Sharon's authority..

    • Sharon was , indeed, guilty for being indirectly responsible for the massacre in Sabra and Shatila.

      Herzl did not call for the removal of Palestinians by any means. On the contrary, he dreamed of peaceful coexistence.
      Jabotinsky, likewise, did not seek the removal of the Palestinians.
      Ben Gurion never said that he prefers Palestinians dead.

  • Using Rep. Johnson's innocent comment to stain his reputation was the real crime
    • Marnie , here's the tidbit:
      In Judges 13:24, concerning the birth of Samson , it says: "And the woman bore a son and called his name Samson; and the lad grew, and the Lord blessed him."

      In the Babylonian Talmud (Sotah 10/a) the question asked is what does that mean ?How was Samson "blessed"?

      "יגדל הנער ויברכהו ה' במה ברכו אמר רב יהודה אמר רב שברכו באמתו אמתו כבני אדם וזרעו כנחל שוטף "

      The English translation that I found on the web fudges the matter and uses a euphemism : "Wherewith did He bless him? — Rab Judah said in the name of Rab: With his physique which was like that of other men but his manly strength was like a fast-flowing stream."
      The original can be understood to mean that as a newborn or a child , he already had "the physique" of an adult man, and his seed as a fast-flowing river.

    • A Christian, by definition, believes in Jesus as the saviour. Jews don't.
      If a person was born Jewish, but now believes in the ideas of Christianity, that person is a convert.

      Talknic, likewise, you can't be a Muslim Jew.. Muslims believe in the Prophet Muhammad and his teachings, Jews don't. A person can be one or the other.

    • It would be great to see a Torah Portion of the Week column. Seriously.
      The Torah, the Talmud and all the commentaries discuss a huge range of topics, from matters of life and death to the smallest details of everyday life, to the size of Samson's member.

    • What's a Christian Jew? I thought you could be either a Christian or a Jew.

    • Shingo,
      I agree. Mr.Begin was referring to child-murdering terrorists, Congressman Johnson was referring to settlers.

    • Shingo, As I recall, Begin's quote did not refer to Palestinians, but to terrorists, specifically those who murder children.

  • Jerusalem municipality 'taking advantage' of US elections to expand settlements
    • OK, echinococcus is going to add an h to my name because he wants to. It will be fascinating to watch him grow up.

      Anyway, if Wiki is "Zionist", I don't see Hebrew here, either:
      link to

      There are Jews who are proud of their heritage and traditions, and the Hebrew language is part of that heritage. The revival of Hebrew, as an everyday, spoken language, together with the flowering of a Hebrew culture, is one of Zionism's finest achievements.

    • How can anyone take seriously a commenter who can't even get my name straight, and keeps adding an "h"? Or maybe echinococcus thinks he's being funny, in a childish way. Hilarious.

      Hebrew had ceased to be an everyday spoken language between the 3rd and 5th centuries CE. Echinococcus is off by only about 500 years, no big deal.
      Hebrew was never "dead". Had it really been dead , it could not have been revived. It was in use in the liturgy, in Rabbinic writings, in poetry and in commerce (between Jews).
      The revival of Hebrew language as an everyday spoken language and the development of Hebrew culture is one of Zionism's proudest achievments. in which Eliezer Ben Yehuda (formerly Perlman) played a significant role.
      Here's a list of constructed languages. Hebrew is not included;
      link to

    • echinococcus,
      The pin is in Hebrew, certainly not a "fake newfangled language".
      A rather old language, actually...

  • Hatim, King of the Natufians
    • MHughes,
      Sorry, I still don't get the connection.
      Abimelekh, King of Gerar?
      Phicol, his general?

      Incidentally, the reference to "land of the Philistines" in connection with Abraham is an anachronism. In the period attributed to Abraham, the Philistines had yet to appear on the scene.

    • MHughes,
      I'm puzzled as to whether you're referring to the story of Hagar and Yishmael or to the mention of the "land of the Philistines", or both, in Genesis 20-21.

  • How much should we push to change US policy towards Israel? Your contribution will decide.
  • The sensitive Zionist -- a review of Natalie Portman's new film
    • Donald Johnson,
      I didn't endorse the "one state" concept. One state doesn't necessarily follow from the recognition that this country is the homeland of both peoples. What I wrote -and have done so numerous times - is that under the present circumstances partition is the best solution. Establishing two states which will co-exist peacefully -that's still the most reasonable and morally sound solution. Both sides have the same homeland; neither side can have it all.
      My support for the two state solution is one of the main reasons for my opposition to the settlements: the settlement project - aside from being illegal - is a major obstacle on the road to achieving it.

    • Jim Holstun,
      See my comment and link, above.

    • As to the Dubliners:

      link to

      Sorry for being off-topic...

    • gamal,

      I love that song, gives me goosebumps.
      See this version:

      link to

      I think that Theodore Bikel also performed it.

    • amigo,
      Let's get some things straight: when referring to "the settlements" in the context of the Middle East, the accepted, conventional, usual, use of the term refers to the Israeli settlements established in the territories occupied in the 1967 Six Days War: Sinai, Gaza, the West Bank and the Golan. Now, the settlements in Sinai and Gaza have been dismantled and evacuated, leaving those in the WB and Golan. Of course, you can invent your own definitions, expand the term to the entire country, call Beersheva a settlement, you can even call New York and Chicago "settlements'. But that's ridiculous: noone in the world, except a bunch of Mondoweiss commenters, thinks the 1947 partitin plan borders are relevant today.

      To your questions:
      No, my next door neighbor is not an Arab.
      I have no idea how close my nearest Arab neighbor lives. Never thought to estimate the distance.
      A gated community??
      Jewish only??
      In Beersheba???
      What are you talking about?
      You're welcome to visit and see for yourself.

    • echinococcus,
      How can anyone take seriously a commenter who can't even get my name straight, and keeps adding an "h"?

      Anyway there are those- like Amos Oz - who seek a future of peace for both peoples, who haven't given up despite the difficulties and setbacks. He's a better friend of the Palestinian people than those who encourage them to reject any prospects for peace.

      And I'm not "squatting on Palestinian land" . I live in a home which I purchased legally with my own money (and a mortgage from the bank...). I'm living in my homeland, which is also the Palestinian homeland.

    • Amos Oz is one of our foremost writers, and also known for his outspoken commitment to the Israeli peace movement.

      Natalie Portman- who can forget her debut in "Leon"?

  • In yet another sign of fascism, Lieberman likens Mahmoud Darwish to . . . Hitler
    • WH,
      The discussion of Mahmoud Darwish was part of a series devoted to "formative texts" of Israeli society.
      It may seem ironic, but IDF radio has usually been considered relatively liberal, which is why ministers Lieberman and Regev have taken aim at it.

      This is the famous poem , which was at the center of the discussion:

      ID Card
      Mahmoud Darwish

      Write it down! I’m an Arab
      My card number is 50000
      My children number eight
      And after this summer, a ninth on his way.
      Does this make you rage?
      I am an Arab.
      With my quarry comrades I labor hard
      My children number eight
      I tug their bread, their clothes
      And their notebooks
      From within the rock
      I don’t beg at your door
      I don’t cower on your threshold
      So does this make you rage?
      Write it down!
      I am an Arab.
      I am a name with no honorific.
      Patient in a land
      Where everything lives in bursting rage
      My roots were planted before time was born
      Before history began
      Before the cypress and the olive trees
      Before grass sprouted
      My father is from the plough clan
      Not from the noble class
      My grandfather was a peasant farmer
      Had no pedigree
      Taught me the pride of the sun
      Before teaching me to read
      A shack to guard groves is my home,
      Made of branches and reeds
      Are you pleased with my status?
      I am a name with no honorific.
      Write it down!
      I am an Arab.
      Hair color: charcoal
      Eye color:  brown
      A cord around the quffiyeh on my head
      My hand as hard as rock
      That scratches if you touch it
      My address:
      I am from a forgotten abandoned village
      Its streets nameless
      All its men in the fields and quarries
      Does this make you rage?
      Write it down!
      I am an Arab.
      You have stolen my ancestors’ groves
      And the land we cultivated
      I and all my children
      Leaving nothing for us and all my grandchildren
      Except these rocks
      Will your government take them
      Like people say?
      Write down on the top of the first page:
      I do not hate people
      And I do not steal from anyone
      But if I starve
      I will eat my oppressor’s flesh
      Beware, beware of my starving
      And my rage.

      1964. Translated from Arabic by Salman Masalha and Vivian Eden

  • My family's Nakba story
    • Jackdaw,
      Actually, the fledgling IAF did give support to ground forces during Operation "Danny" , which included battles for Lod and Ramle in July 1948.

      I wonder about this : "the Zionist captors pumped underground waterlines with water so hot that my grandfather broke one of his teeth drinking it."
      Never heard of anything like that.

  • Powerful new game 'Liyla and The Shadows of War' dramatizes 2014 Israeli attack on Gaza
    • And I'll obey Annie and leave this thread.

    • Annie,
      "claiming a palestinian intent" -that's not what I wrote, I wrote about Hamas. And yes, Hamas willfully endangered their own people. (while trying to kill Israelis).

    • Annie,
      You're ignoring the context of the exchange with Marnie.
      She wrote that the only innocent civilians in Israel are Israeli Arabs (and also granted the Thai man who was killed the title of innocent civilian). That's why I asked about Daniel Tragerman, a Jewish child.
      My impression is that some -not all - MW commenters are , indeed, motivated by hatred. I wish I was wrong.

    • gamal,
      You want the"Hamas policy statement? "OK, I assume your joking.
      During the conflict in 2014, and also previously , the Hamas terrorists used hospitals, clinics, schools, kindergartens, mosques and civilian residences as launch sites, weapons depots, tunnel entrances, etc. They knew that by doing so they were endangering those facilities and their own people.
      I posted 3 links (from non-Israeli sources)
      One is from Finnish TV. If you know someone who knows Finnish you could check the accuracy of the translation.
      The second, from French tv, is my favourite, because of the startled reporter when the rocket is launched.
      The third, also from French tv (English language service), shows preparations to fire from a civilian area, with children playing nearby.
      I'm sure that there are other such videos on the web, feel free to look for them.

      I have to ask you again, gamal, are you really saying that Hamas did NOT do so? It's not really in dispute.

    • Marnie,
      I asked you a simple question - was 4 year old Daniel Tragerman not an innocent civilian ?- which you have chosen to dodge.
      Instead you accuse me of being indifferent to Palestinian suffering (not true) , of supporting the settlements (which I oppose), and even accuse the kids in my classroom- whom you've never met and know nothing about - of being "monsters".
      I truly feel sorry for someone so consumed by hatred.

    • gamal,
      You're right: Palestinian civilians are also innocent (and long-suffering...)
      I find it hard to believe that anyone could deny what Hamas was doing, it's pretty much common knowledge by now . Anyway, I managed to find some of the items I posted at the time:

      link to

      link to

      link to

    • gamal,
      Are you seriously saying that Hamas did NOT use hospitals, mosques, schools...? Really?
      I recall personally posting such evidence two years ago.

    • Marnie,
      So 4 year old Daniel Tragerman was not an innocent civilian?

    • Marnie,
      Are you serious? There are no innocent civilians among the Jews in Israel? You don't recognize any such category?? Do you understand what you're saying or are you so blinded by hate that you don't care?
      I fully identify with the Left. Being on the left means -among other values - seeking peace, seeking an end to violence and bloodshed, not justifying terrorism.

      And the kids in my classroom are not zombies. They're more into vampires.

    • I don't suppose that the game includes any mention of the terrorist rockets fired at innocent civilians in Israel, or the Hamas strategy of using hospitals, mosques, schools and civilian residences as launching sites, arms depots , etc., with the deliberate intention of increasing civilian casualties among their own people.

  • Israeli rabbi who advocated rape of 'comely gentile women' during war becomes chief army rabbi
    • gamal,
      I should add that identifying Muslims as "Yishmaelim" was also a way to explain the success and power of Islam, since Yishmael had been blessed by God. See Genesis 17:20.

    • gamal ,
      It's possible that the tradition identifying the Muslims as "Yishmaelim" developed as a way to emphasize the similarities and perception of "kinship" between Jews and Muslims.

    • echinococcus,
      The Palestinians are not "Canaanites du jour". In Jewish tradition, the Muslims are identified as "Yishmaelim", descendants of Yishmael, sons and daughters of our common father, Abraham.

    • Dan,
      Naturally, Meretz and the entire Left expressed disgust that someone with blood-curdling misogynist, racist and homophobic views would be considered for the post and called on the chief of staff to cancel the appointment.

    • MrT,
      As I said , it's a theory - a plausible one in my view- for which there's no positive proof, to the best of my knowledge. And we can assume that Jews travelled the roads of the empire , including the Via Claudia Augusta, for various purposes.

    • Annie,
      That doesn't make much sense. Any enemies being fought at that time were also Middle-Eastern.
      In fact, you may have a point, only it's the other way around: After the disastrous Jewish revolts against the Romans, many Jewish women were taken captive by the Roman soldiers. There's a theory that those women found themselves in camps of the Roman legions, in Gaul and along the Rhine. With their captor-husbands away most of the time on military campaigns, many of them never to return, those women could have decided to raise their children as Jews and found ways to organize as communities, perhaps hiring teachers and rabbis from elsewhere. According to this theory, they were the first nuclei of the Ashkenazi communities. As I said, it's a theory, I'm not aware of any hard proof.

  • US media fail to report video of soldiers shooting desperate Palestinian girl holding knife overhead
    • Ossinev,

    • MrT,
      I think that all people living under a brutal occupation - including the Palestinians in the West Bank- have the right to resist.
      Resist occupation - yes.
      Resort to terrorism - no.
      I certainly wouldn't praise a girl who looks like she's trying to get herself killed.

    • I suggest that you all re-read my original comment, above. I did NOT justify shooting the girl with the knife. And I oppose the occupation , and the settlements, and the present goverment's policies in general. I support efforts to achieve peace through the two state solution.

      I identified the girl with the knife as a Muslim because of the traditional headscarf.

    • Kay24,
      In your country, what would most likely happen to a young Muslim woman , wielding a knife and approaching police officers or soldiers? Please answer honestly.

    • As I pointed out, it looks more like an attempted suicide than a real attack.

      The soldiers were probably guarding the bus stop, not waiting for a bus.

    • I certainly agree that the soldiers could have, and should have, tried to stop her without shooting .
      And I find myself agreeing with echinococcus that this is another case of attempted suicide - by -brandishing -a knife, a phenomenon that Palestinian society should address. It's very reminiscent of the incident in Afula last year ( the one in which the young policewoman drops her gun's magazine, but not her ice cream cone...)

  • As Dems vote against Palestine, Cornel West warns it is the 'Vietnam War' of our time
    • silamcuz,
      I mentioned the Quran because I doubt that a comment like the one regarding the Bible would have been tolerated , if it had referred to the Quran.

    • Annie, I just wonder if a comment as vile as that one would have been allowed if it had referred, say, to the Qur'an.

    • Never mind that echinococcus can call me stupid and a murderer and a racist and an invader , all of which is not considered a "vicious personal attack" (see the comments policy) - but what about "Ancient Testament" (=the Bible) as toilet paper? how is that allowed?

    • echinococcus,
      Your response is almost as funny as Museveni's speech.

    • Regarding Netanyahu's recent trip to Africa, for anyone who may have missed Uganda President Museveni's speech:

  • Palestinian teen is killed after allegedly killing 13-year-old Jewish girl in settlement
  • Video: All hell breaks loose in Knesset as Zoabi demands apology following Israel-Turkey agreement
  • Unlawful and brutal attack on Turkish boat improves with age in the New York Times
  • Despite Turkish posturing, detente with Israel won't change the Gaza blockade
    • a blah chick,

      "Weren’t one or both of the fallen soldiers “Hannibaled” by the IDF?"
      No. (and even if so, what difference does it make, regarding the return of the remains?)

      "Also I believe the Ethiopian-Israeli fellow is no longer in Gaza."
      Where did you see that information?

      "As for the Bedouin guy, the other Israeli, the government has shown no interest in getting him back, so why now? "
      Because of the deal with Turkey, which includes humanitarian aid to Gaza. These are also humanitarian cases.

    • Allison Deger's reports, correctly, that the agreement with Turkey is being widely criticized in Israel. However, it's not only because of the compensation to the families of the Marmara casualties. There's also the issue of returning the remains of the two fallen IDF soldiers and the two Israeli civilians being held in Gaza.

      I'd also point out that despite the diplomatic rift, commercial ties between Israel and Turkey have remained strong over the past years, as I can see in all the made-in-Turkey items in my local supermarket, and the huge popularity of Turkish Airlines

  • 'Washington Post' publishes article by Jewish leader urging boycott of Israel
  • Question for the Israeli left: Why do you discount the possibility of a second Nakba?
    • Marnie,

      "Israel is a scary place...." is a quote from Ms. Abu Rass, the writer of the piece, above. Not my formulation.
      I think that there are good and beautiful features in our country and also bad and ugly ones.
      I don't have to prove my Leftist credentials to you or anyone and why you think that I've jumped to "full right" is beyond me.

    • I share much of the writer's observations re what appears to be paralysis of the Israeli Left: it should be doing a lot more, and I believe that ultimately it will.
      Perhaps one of the keys to trying to understand the situation is this line " 2016 Israel is a scary place, despite its pleasant appearances ". People naturally tend to focus on everyday life, and even if they are worried by the ominous signs of what may come, they feel impotent as to the possibility of doing something about it.

      "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future" . (Master Yoda)

  • Are comparisons of South African apartheid and Israel useful?
  • Condemn! Condemn!
    • amigo,
      We seem to be repeating ourselves: I condemn all terrorism , from whatever source and whoever the victims -the only position which stands on firm moral ground, in my view - while you won't condemn terrorism if the victims are Israelis.

      And I don't live in an "illegal squat ". I live in a home legally purchased with my family's hard-earned money, and with a mortgage which I'm still paying. Didn't steal from anyone. ( You really don't want to know what happened the last time I squatted...)

    • I don't know about other false flag operations, but the USS Liberty incident was not "false flag".
      Israel took responsibility for the mistake , apologized and paid compensation.

    • Nevada Ned,
      Your chronology is inaccurate.
      In Jan. 1954 Ben Gurion resigned from office and was replaced by Moshe Sharett. It was during Sharett's incumbency that the rogue operation which came to be known as the Lavon affair took place. BG returned to office in 1955 , was re-elected, and eventually resigned for the last time in 1963.

      BG did not live out his years in disgrace. He was indeed preoccupied by the "affair" , even obssesed. To his supporters it was to his credit that he continued to seek justice.

    • amigo,
      My position is that I condemn and despise terrorism perpetrated by anyone against anyone.
      Your position is that you don't condemn terrorism if Israeli civilians are the victims. In those cases it's "terrorism" in quotation marks. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

      "Reckless disregard" isn't far from premeditated. Of course it should be condemned. And investigated, prosecuted, and punished.

    • amigo,
      Thanks. You've shown that I've always, consistently , condemned terrorism from whatever side.
      Of course I proudly stand by those comments.
      What about you, amigo? Do you condemn all terrorism, from whatever side?

    • I can't understand why Jonathan Ofir can't bring himself to condemn an act of terrorism, the killing of innocent civilians in Tel Aviv.
      It's simple: All terrorism should be condemned, with no "ifs" , "ands" and "buts", whatever the identity of the victims and the perpetrators.

  • Following Tel Aviv attack, Israel freezes Ramadan travel permits for Palestinians and seals West Bank village
    • Correction: Dr. Feige was a sociologist and anthropologist.

    • Dr. Feige was a well-known historian at BGU , here in BeerSheva. I wasn't acquainted with him, personally.

      A horrible way for the terrorists to spoil the holidays: Ramadan for the Muslims. Shavuot about to get under way for the Jews.

  • Another Israeli leader says Netanyahu misuses the Holocaust for political gain, but no one in the U.S. can say so
    • yonah, The sewer has overflowed with with YoniFalic's latest Anti-Semitic comment , blaming the Jews for the Holocaust (and in violation of MW comments policy...)

  • To the Holocaust survivor I interviewed, in regards to Palestine
    • Also: Anne Frank's original notebooks exist, her words, written in pen-on-paper , have been scientifically scrutinized- the paper, the ink, the handwriting- and authenticated. The diary was written by her , in those years.

    • ...", Saffuri no longer existed; Saffuri was now “Zippori,” a Hebrew pseudonym "

      The writer is apparently unaware of the history of Zippori, which had a Jewish population during the 2nd Temple period and later, and played a significant role in Jewish history. The name "Saffuri" was probably derived from the original Hebrew "Zippori" and not the other way around.
      see here:
      link to

      and here:
      link to

      The Roman -period mosaics, including the zodiac-themed synagogue mosaic , dated from the 5th century are highly recommended for anyone visiting the Gallilee.

    • As I mentioned, there is an complete, un-eneditd version available.

    • Anne Frank's diary is , indeed, a favourite target for Holocaust deniers.
      For more on this see:
      Deborah Lipstadt: Denying the Holocaust (Plume, NY, 1994): pp.229-235.

    • xanadou,
      Anne Frank didn't write an autobiography, she wrote a diary.
      Meyer Levin didn't "rewrite" it, he wrote a play based on the diary.
      Otto Frank excluded certain passages from the published version, in which Anne referred to her physical development as an adolescent and to her relationship with her mother. He considered those passages "improper" , and harmful to the memory of his late wife. Mr. Frank's editing didn't make the diary a"fraud", but Holocaust deniers have jumped on it. In any case, an unexpurgated edition has since been published.

  • Jerusalem soccer club exemplifies Lieberman's rightwing nationalism -- and should be barred from international play
    • gamal,
      I didn't write "soccer" in my last comment, but I confess that I did in the original one. I actually devoted a moment's thought to the issue and decided to to take into consideration that a large part of MW readership is in the USA. I didn't want them to think that it's, you know, that American game...

    • I agree. Beitar Jerusalem is a disgrace and should be banned, not only from international competition.

  • Video: Gaza family mourns children who burned to death
    • xanadou,
      Still waiting...

    • xanadou,
      Still waiting for your explanation , as to the "social rejects".

    • xanadou,
      1.All you have to do is click on my profile . I am indeed an Israeli citizen (also a US citizen).
      2.Do you really think that I'm being paid to comment here? I wish.
      3.What do you mean by "incoming social rejects"? Please explain.

    • wfleitz,
      I'm not an apologist for the Israeli government, I totally oppose it.
      In this case we have 3 chidren who died in a horrific, tragic, accidental fire.
      The link provided by the writer explains that the power shortages are caused by a PA-Hamas dispute and that Israel provides Gaza with a significant part of its electricity. Egypt used to provide Gaza with some electricity, (around 10%, I think), but not at present.
      And yet: let's blame Israel anyway. Talk about pathological.

    • Yeah, I noticed that, too. Making a nice profit while not providing electricity, Makes total sense.

    • talknic,
      It's not my link, it's the link provided by Dan Cohen.

    • A horrible tragedy, but blaming Israel for it?

      From the link in the article:

      "Most Gazans have no option but to rely on candles for light because power cuts currently leave them without electricity for up to 18 hours a day.

      Much of their anger is directed towards the Gaza Electricity Company, which has failed to deliver reliable supplies despite last year banking profits $13.6m.

      Others blame the shortages on the 'blue tax' on fuel imposed by the West Bank-based Fatah-run Palestinian Authority on industrial fuel imported into Gaza to power the strip's only electricity plant.

      Last month, the United Nations reported that Gaza's power plant had been forced to shut down because of the PA's gradual reduction in an exemption on the fuel tax which had previously been in place.

      Prior to its closing, Gaza's plant had provided close to 30 percent of the enclave's electricity requirements, even operating at only 50 percent capacity.

      The remainder of Gaza's required electricity is bought mostly from Israel but also from Egypt, according to the UN, although power lines from Egypt into southern Gaza are currently not working."
      - See more at: link to

      So the power shortages are caused mainly by a PA-Hamas dispute, and Israel, in fact , PROVIDES some of Gaza's electricity.

  • The Making of Israel: Zionist settler colonialism in historic Palestine
    • gamal,
      I'm not sure I understand your point. Sometimes a comment is addressed specifically to a fellow commenter, sometimes it's not.
      I'm fully aware of the need for Israelis and Palestinians to talk to each other. The need for that dialogue is very high on my wish list.

    • At least until 1948 -under the Turks and then the British -the land for Jewish settlement was purchased from the landowners.

  • At Israel's birthday party, ambassador says rising criticism comes from 'killing fields of Europe'
  • Vermont artist creates 45-foot 'street comic' telling story of the Nakba
    • gamal,
      Please point out what's incorrect in that sentence.

    • Qualtrough,
      That's not the omission I was pointing out, but I agree that the critical development in this context , in 1948 ,was not the Palestinians leaving their homes (for various reasons) but the decision by the Israeli authorities not to allow them to return.

    • "In 1947 the UN called for the division of Palestine into 2 states, one Jewish and one Arab. 750,000 Palestinians were forcefully displaced from their homes."

      Hasn't some information been left out by the creators of the street comic? A few things that slipped their minds? Like the fact that the Jewish side accepted the partition plan and the Arab side rejected it and sought to prevent its implementation by force of arms?

  • Palestinians on Nakba Day 2016 -- Defiant, Undeterred and Organizing
    • Interesting that the PNC demands the implementation of Resolution 194 regarding the refugees, though back in 1948 all the Arab states rejected it.

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