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‘America and Israel are in it together,’ Clinton declares– and nary a word about settlements

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At a time when Britain and France are considering withdrawing ambassadors from Israel over its latest settlement plans, Hillary Clinton addressed the Saban Center at the Brookings Institution Friday night and, declaring “America and Israel are in it together,” said nothing about settlements or occupation except when she three times praised Benjamin Netanyahu for a “settlement freeze.”

Clinton at Saban Center
Clinton at Saban Center, with Tamara Coffman Wittes

And in one pointed reference to a settlement, Gilo, Clinton bragged about visiting the colony.

Seated at dinner next to Haim Saban, an ardent supporter of Israel and the Democratic Party, Clinton seemed to be relaunching her political career.

Haim Saban with Hillary Clinton
Haim Saban with Hillary Clinton.
(Photo by Natasha Mozgovaya of Haaretz).

She called Saban “a friend, a colleague, a mentor, an inspiration to so many of us here tonight” and from start to finish Clinton took Israel’s side in the conflict. She accused Iran of fostering global terrorism “insinuating” itself into countries around the world, chastised Palestinians for not accepting Partition in 1947, and suggested that Palestinians should be content with a mini-state in Palestinian-controlled areas of the West Bank and not Gaza.

Clinton gave shoutouts to John Kerry and Eric Schmidt of Google, and praised Israeli ambassador Michael Oren, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak and Israel promoter David Makovsky, and took questions from (according to the transcript) an unbalanced roster, Makovsky, Israeli journalist Ilana Dayan and settler activist Dani Dayan.

Here are some excerpts from her one-sided remarks:

America and Israel are in it together. This is a friendship that comes naturally to us. Americans honor Israel as a homeland dreamed of for generations and finally achieved by pioneering men and women in my lifetime. We share bedrock beliefs in freedom, equality, democracy, and the right to live without fear. What threatens Israel threatens America, and what strengthens Israel strengthens us…

Our shared obsession with innovation is also bringing us closer together. Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt recently called Israel “the most important high tech center in the world, after the United States.” So it is no surprise that our diplomatic challenge is not only about a dialogue of strategic and political interests, including not just our soldiers and our politicians, but increasingly including our techies and our venture capitalists and our entrepreneurs.

She faults the Arab spring and praises rightwing Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman:

And one of our problems is that when you think about who the leaders are [in Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt], there aren’t political parties that create a Tzipi Livni or an Ehud Olmert or Avigdor Lieberman.

She blames the Iranians for a skein of terror and “hegemonic” ambitions:

we know very well the Iranian regime already exports terrorism, not only to Israel’s doorstep, but across the world. If we had a map I could put up there, I could show you what we track and plot on that map – the evidence of terrorism – mostly, thankfully, plots foiled or unsuccessful. Unfortunately, as in Bulgaria, some that succeeded. But those plots, those activities of Iran directly and through their agents, stretches from Mexico to Thailand. We see Iran bringing repression to Syria. We see Iran brutalizing their own people. So a nuclear Iran is not simply a threat to Israel. It is a threat to all nations and risks opening the floodgates on nuclear proliferation around the world…

their concerted efforts to undermine governments, to create havoc from Bahrain to Yemen and beyond, is equally troubling and dangerous. And so, we are constantly working with friends and allies to try to prevent that. And we see how Iran tries to insinuate itself into many societies with all kinds of promises, many of which are never fulfilled. I cannot tell you how many promises of infrastructure investment in Venezuela have been made without building an outhouse. It’s just a ridiculous record of promise with no follow-up. But they keep doing it. They are relentless in their desire to exercise influence and to build a very intimidating, even hegemonic, presence in the Gulf.

She blames Palestinians for the Gaza conflict:
Now, we have no illusions about those who launched the rockets. They had every intention of hiding behind civilians in Gaza and killing civilians in Israel. And they would have killed more of each if they could have.

Here are her only references to settlements, all praising Netanyahu and damning the Palestinians:

But there were moments of opportunity. And I will also say this. When Prime Minister Netanyahu agreed to a 10-month settlement freeze I flew to Jerusalem. …And when Prime Minister Netanyahu agreed to a 10-month settlement freeze, it wasn’t perfect. It didn’t cover East Jerusalem, but it covered much of the contested area in the West Bank… And I stood on a stage with him at 11 o’clock – Israelis always meet late at night, I don’t understand it – (laughter) – but 11 o’clock at night, midnight, and I said it was unprecedented for any Israeli prime minister to have done that. I got so criticized. I got criticized from the right, the left, the center, Israeli, Jewish, Arab, Christian, you name it. Everybody criticized me. But the fact was it was a 10-month settlement freeze. And he was good to his word. And we couldn’t get the Palestinians into the conversation until the tenth month.

The usual demographic chatter, supporting Israeli discrimination against Palestinians:

And without peace, the inexorable math of demographics will, one day, force Israelis to choose between preserving their democracy and remaining a Jewish homeland.

Not once but twice:

if you look at demography, you see the population shifts and the problems that that will cause for Israel.

She implies that the Palestinian state will be in the West Bank, not Gaza:

there is still an opportunity with the West Bank Palestinians to have a different status quo that is very much in Israel’s interest

The relentlessly chipper backing of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank,

the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank still offers the most compelling alternative to rockets and permanent resistance. At a time when religious extremists claim to offer rewards in the hereafter, Israel needs to help those committed to peace deliver for their people in the here and now. The leaders of the West Bank – President Abbas and Prime Minister Fayyad – deserve credit for their real achievements on the ground.

She lectures Egypt about its constitution but says nothing about Palestinian human rights in Israel or nonviolent protest in the West Bank:

Egypt will need a constitution that protects the rights of all, creates strong institutions, and reflects an inclusive process. Egypt will be strongest – and so will our partnership – if Egypt is democratic and united behind a common understanding of what democracy means. Democracy is not one election one time. Democracy is respecting minority rights

She speaks about Israeli settlements as if they are part of Israel:
[I] walked along the fence near Gilo.
She never uses the words occupy or occupation except in a favorable context:
It gives Israel a moral high ground that I want Israel to occupy. That’s what I want Israel to occupy, the moral high ground.
Here are her patronizing references to the great deals the Paletinians have been offered:
But after Yasser Arafat said no at Camp David – and I don’t care how many people try to revise that history, the fact is he said no at Camp David – some months later he calls my husband, when Bill is no longer President, and says, “You know that deal that you offered? I’ll take it now.”… The Palestinians could have had a state as old as I am if they had made the right decision in 1947. They could have had a state if they had worked with my husband and then-Prime Minister Barak at Camp David. They could have had a state if they’d worked with Prime Minister Olmert and Foreign Minister Livni.

Update: David Remnick agrees that Clinton is running for president. I wish I’d written this!

Hillary Clinton is running for President. And the Israeli political class is a full-blown train wreck. These are two conclusions, for whatever they are worth, based on a three-day conference I attended this weekend at the annual Saban Forum, in Washington, D.C.

And Scott McConnell points out that Clinton made a veiled reference to settlements in this comment:

So particularly in light of today’s announcement, let me reiterate that this Administration – like previous administrations – has been very clear with Israel that these activities set back the cause of a negotiated peace.

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  1. flyod on December 3, 2012, 9:28 am

    hillary is deep in debt. such is the price of power

    • Krauss on December 3, 2012, 11:56 am

      Bill has been running around the country tring to find any donors that will pay off her campaign debts from 2008. A funny thing, since he’s loaded with cash himself.

      The fact that both of them are now working to clear her campaign infrastructure ahead of time is a very clear sign, together with a quasi-Likudnik speech that Phil referenced above, that she is in fact running.

      She saved all of us a lot of time by signalling from the very onset that she’s not intenting to deviate one inch from AIPAC’s playbook at all.

      So now we can focus on the campus, the grassroots and on journalism. The political establishment in D.C. is rotten to the core.

    • radii on December 4, 2012, 2:21 am

      nauseating, just nauseating

      • tear-stained uzi on December 4, 2012, 6:34 am

        Yes. I would have commented on this post hours ago, but I’ve just been so busy vomiting, you know? OK, for 30 minutes, Hillary spews non-stop unhinged lies and racist tropes for the cause of apartheid. Way to lick the boot, Secretary Clinton!

        I missed the ending, where she undoubtedly said, “God bless America, by letting us serve Israel, your Chosen people! I pray that we be worthy of this honor. Am Yisrael Chai!”

        One bit of news she broke, I think: she confirmed Rashy BéBé’s stunning earlier clairvoyant forensic achievement, when he fingered Hamasiranian Islamomaniac terrorists for the tourist bus bombing in Bulgaria. Or has this corroboration been reported before?

      • Mooser on December 4, 2012, 1:10 pm

        “Way to lick the boot, Secretary Clinton!”

        If there was a video of Hilary walking out of the Clinton White House with a suitcase in her hand, a woman who will not stand any rany-gazoo, she’d be the Presidentress today.

  2. Dan Crowther on December 3, 2012, 9:41 am

    Of course she’s running for president – she never really stopped.

    So what about all the cracks and fissures in the democratic party, Phil?

    I actually give you credit for running this, as it totally disproves everything you’ve written about the democrats, the elites and the lobby – you usually just ignore stuff like this. Cheers

    • philweiss on December 3, 2012, 11:01 am

      these are the elites. i dont see fissure in the elites yet; though yes in the media, david remnick and some others. rank and file dems are far more independent on the issue

      • Krauss on December 3, 2012, 11:59 am

        Agreed. The liberal media has very much turned – and that process will accelerate after the January elections.

        If Israel does in fact go into the E1 area, which I doubt, it will accelerate the isolation even further.

        Yet, I think that the political leadership will more or less never truly change. Remember, Apartheid South Africa was supported until the very end of the Soviet Union. And they never had anything near the power of the Israel lobby at their disposal.

        But, I also think it’s a mistake to look at an event like Saban’s forum, which is Likudnik to it’s core, and expect Hillary to perform something extraordinary.

        Change won’t come from her, but from the grassroots.

      • Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 4:32 pm

        The only one in the so called liberal media who is willing to come close to the truth and the middle is Chris Hayes. Diane Rehm, Simon, Cnn, Fox, all carrying water for Israel and the I lobby.

        But what Clinton is missing is how the Dem base is turning. Her vote for the Iraq war resolution, aggressive and unsubstantiated stances on Iran line her up with the I lobby and Israel but she is signing her own loss with the base which is shifting on this issue. Just listen to the calls coming through on Washington Journal so many more Americans aware of how Israel’s actions seriously undermine US National Security and how unfair and illegal Israel’s persistent actions are in regard to the Palestinians. This will not play well for Hillary if she runs for President. She is a documented warmonger.

      • Citizen on December 4, 2012, 12:14 pm

        If course change won’t come from Hillary Clinton, but from the grassroots–the grass is very weak.

      • Citizen on December 4, 2012, 12:18 pm

        Isn’t if fun to watch how the various WJ hosts handle callers who criticize Israel before they are cut off, or even bring any attention to it in a negative way? One can tell by the way they react they all know their career there depends on how they block or change the subject. They will often follow up callers with questions to the guest of their own, egging them on to share expertise for the US audience, but never, never when it comes to any calls critical of Israel or US support if Israel.

      • Ellen on December 3, 2012, 12:44 pm

        Phil, what is the motivation for the elites of both parties to drag the country down this road? It is a long term disaster not only for the US, but Israel as well.

        Is it money? Money could not buy Romney his election. Is it a winning mantra to get elected? Some of the loudest AIPAC puppets lost the election this year.

        In fact, I think if there were a campaign to inform constituents every time their Congressman (and I mean that in the sense of female members of Congress as well) or Senator puts forth some lame AIPC-written resolution, they should be publicly called out to answer and account for it in their own local media. Why? Because it will cause an uproar in Peoria!

        It it the conflict and homeland security industry, with roots in Israel? The homegrown Iron Dome industry

        What is the real motivation for this insanity? If we only knew that.

      • seanmcbride on December 3, 2012, 1:34 pm

        The entire American political system is now organized around the interests of the Israeli government and Israelis — Americans are an afterthought. And we have arrived at this dismal state of affairs because pro-Israel activists and militants like Haim Saban, Sheldon Adelson and Rupert Murdoch have acquired financial domination over both the Democratic and Republican Parties and the mainstream media.

        What is to be done?

      • Krauss on December 3, 2012, 4:16 pm

        The entire American political system is now organized around the interests of the Israeli government and Israelis

        Wrong, and that is hyperbole and you should know it.

        The American political system covers a wide swath of issues, like education, healthcare, taxes, gay marriage, the death penalty, civil rights and so on.

        To assume that Israel plays a central role in these areas is to be either be ignorant, malicious or simply steeped in hyperbole.

        Let’s be precise here and not give Israel, nor its backers, unlimited, shadowy powers. It muddies the conversation.

      • lysias on December 3, 2012, 5:12 pm

        The whole policy of choosing legislators via election has turned out to be a flawed system. The kind of person that system brings to the top is a person who is pathetically dependent on retaining his office and who will do anything — however repugnant — in order to retain it

      • tear-stained uzi on December 4, 2012, 6:53 am

        “Wrong, and that is hyperbole and you should know it.”

        Hyperbole? Yeah. Wrong? I’d say it’s more right than wrong.

        “To assume that Israel plays a central role in these areas is to be either be ignorant, malicious or simply steeped in hyperbole.

        Let’s be precise here and not give Israel, nor its backers, unlimited, shadowy powers. It muddies the conversation.

        This seems like kind of an overreaction to Sean’s polemic. What are you really trying to say, here?

      • seanmcbride on December 4, 2012, 8:32 am


        Wrong, and that is hyperbole and you should know it.

        The American political system covers a wide swath of issues, like education, healthcare, taxes, gay marriage, the death penalty, civil rights and so on.

        During the last decade pro-Israel militants (primarily neoconservatives and Christian Zionists) have succeeded in consuming several trillion American dollars in the Global War on Terror and Clash of Civilizations for the purpose of making the world safe for Greater Israel.

        During this same period they have worked hard to reduce American aid for Americans while increasing American aid for Israelis.

        The Israel lobby in American politics is far more powerful and effective in commandeering public funds than the global warming lobby, the environmental lobby, the gay lobby, the education lobby, the infrastructure lobby, the public library lobby, the middle class lobby, the unemployed lobby, etc.

        Israelis are in fact receiving preferential treatment in the use of American wealth and power over most Americans.

        Is there really any doubt in your mind that Sheldon Adelson, Haim Saban, Eric Cantor, William Kristol and other leading members of the Israel lobby care more about Israelis than they care about Americans?

        Reports are now emerging that Israel Firster Sheldon Adelson spent as much as $150 million during the last election cycle in an effort to control the American political system on behalf of Israel.

      • Citizen on December 4, 2012, 12:26 pm

        @ Ellen
        How about the realization that Israel Firsters have only one agenda, and if you have a myriad of domestic agendas, none of them will be advanced without the help of the Israel Firsters, who will in fact gang up on you on all your agendas if you don’t tow their line? Now think about where the money and media are likely found. And think about them threatening to throw their all into your opponent’s campaign, as Dewey v Truman way back when.

      • piotr on December 4, 2012, 2:38 pm

        One can argue that the issue of Israel and Palestine is quite irrelevant internally, so for the elective representatives this is like choosing a hobby to indulge, besides their daytime jobs.

        But it is definitely more than that. When no one moans dropping the funding of Unesco over admitting Palestinians, the we see that issues like education, science and culture are weighted against the exalted standards that “supporting Israel” requires, and there goes Unesco. And in our foreign policy all issues take back seat when Israel is involved. And military policies follow foreign policy. So it adds up.

  3. American on December 3, 2012, 9:43 am

    I saw this on c-span. Truly nauseating. I see now they don’t just use two flags, they have sown the Israeli flag to the Stars and Stripes.
    Yea, my guess also is she is running for President.

    Add to my increasing belief that nothing short of war will get Palestine’s land back for them, my increasing belief that we’re going to also have to have a revolution of some kind in the US to get our country back.

    This unholy US-Israel merger is such an abomination it’s impossible to describe.
    So either get your guns or get out there and try to find a third party candidate that can actually win a Presidential election.

    • annie on December 3, 2012, 1:01 pm

      they have sown the Israeli flag to the Stars and Stripes.


      • American on December 3, 2012, 1:37 pm


        And monsters…really, our government is run by Monster-Mobsters.
        Can’t tell you how the reality of that freaks me out.
        Keep a bag packed for a quick get away from Isrmerica.

    • Mooser on December 3, 2012, 1:27 pm

      “Add to my increasing belief that nothing short of war will get Palestine’s land back for them, my increasing belief that we’re going to also have to have a revolution of some kind in the US to get our country back.”

      American, when it’s time to put me up against the wall (Hey, I’m twice thirty, there’s no trusting me) or send me off to the camps, please remember I was always nice to you at Mondoweiss.
      Still, if it comes down to it, let me say that I understand the need for merciless repression and ruthlessness, even terror, in making revolutionary change. I won’t be the one kvetching about for whom the bell tolls.

      • American on December 3, 2012, 6:55 pm

        ”American, when it’s time to put me up against the wall (Hey, I’m twice thirty, there’s no trusting me) or send me off to the camps, please remember I was always nice to you at Mondoweiss.”..Moose

        Gawd Mooser!…you are getting paranoid. ..what makes you think anyone would go after you in a revolution? ….Cause you’re Jewish?
        I am talking about “overthrowing” this government, these POLITICANS, one way or another, by hook or crook,…not progoming the Jews for christ sake.

      • Mooser on December 4, 2012, 1:18 pm

        “Gawd Mooser!…you are getting paranoid. ..what makes you think anyone would go after you in a revolution?”

        Oh, a “revolution”? Whew! Thanks for setting me straight. I feel better now. If I know anything, it’s that revolutions are very reluctant to kill anybody in the first place, and pursue extensive deliberations and appeals before any capital sentences.
        And BTW, like, ixnay on the ewJay stuff, it’s supposed to be a secret!

      • Rusty Pipes on December 4, 2012, 2:52 pm

        Just don’t blog in the bathtub and neither Charlotte nor shock will get you.

    • lysias on December 3, 2012, 5:00 pm

      Add to my increasing belief that nothing short of war will get Palestine’s land back for them, my increasing belief that we’re going to also have to have a revolution of some kind in the US to get our country back.

      Kevin Phillips said in a recent interview on Democracy Now! that he wrote his most recent book on a historical subject because he is so disgusted with how politics in America has so degenerated, that political activity has come to seem futile.

      I suspect it was not merely because of interest in the historical subject that he chose the subject of that most recent book of his, 1775: A Good Year for Revolution.

    • Keith on December 3, 2012, 6:10 pm

      AMERICAN- “…or get out there and try to find a third party candidate that can actually win a Presidential election.”

      At this stage of the game, I would say that it is virtually impossible to get people to behave rationally and revolt at the polls. The fat-cats aren’t going to massively fund someone who will take them on, and the voters will not support a candidate who does not have significant elite support. The fact that a progressive like Jill Stein got less than ½ of 1% of the vote tells me all I need to know about the American voter. Besides, let us not forget that the US is a capitalist country, hence, money rules whoever wins. Yet, even the potential for modest change was crushed at the polls. Still, there are those who talk of revolution, as if those who won’t vote for you will join you at the barricades. Besides, be careful what you wish for.

      • Dan Crowther on December 4, 2012, 10:11 pm

        Well said, Keith my brother.

      • Keith on December 5, 2012, 4:02 pm

        Thanks Dan.

  4. pabelmont on December 3, 2012, 9:55 am

    UK and France are considering withdrawing their ambassadors because of the 3000 new units? What about the 750,000 settlers currently living in WB, EJ, and Golan? What about the wall? what about the settlerments now in place?

    Where is the outrage?

    Well, maybe one should regard these expressions of possible future demonstrations of diplomatic outrage as like a runner’s pre-race stretching exercises, the exercises one does before getting to the heart of the matter. Suppose LOTS of countries spoke of withdrawing their ambassadors unless the 3000 are canceled? And suppose the 3000 are NOT canceled! (OR ARE canceled.) What next?

    But in 64 years, mere words have never, never moved Israel toward even the tentative thought of complying with international law, humanitarian agreements, whatever. Never.

    what’s needed is coordinated international pressure, real pressure. withdrawal of ambassadors from several EU countries would be a very good beginning.

    Not enough. And not the ending. A stretching before the hard work begins.

  5. eljay on December 3, 2012, 10:06 am

    >> We share bedrock beliefs in freedom, equality, democracy, and the right to live without fear.

    What she meant to say is: “To be more specific, we share bedrock beliefs in ‘Jewish State’ freedom, equality, democracy, and the right to live without fear. Palestinians in Israel and elsewhere can go f*ck themselves.”

    • American on December 3, 2012, 12:52 pm

      “What she meant to say is: “To be more specific, we share bedrock beliefs in ‘Jewish State’ freedom, equality, democracy, and the right to live without fear. Palestinians in Israel and elsewhere can go f*ck themselves.”…eljay

      Actually what she was saying was… you and Israel can steal as much and kill as many people as you want to…as long as you keep sending that campaign money to me and the Dem party.

    • seafoid on December 3, 2012, 1:00 pm

      Neither Saban nor Lieberman believe in democracy. It will be fun when Israeli democracy is in the trash and the Yank pols still spout about it.

      • Woody Tanaka on December 3, 2012, 1:13 pm

        I’ll bet Clinton doesn’t believe in democracy in Palestine/isral, either. She’s just doing a dance to please the puppet masters to get the bribe money, just like every pol in front of every influence peddler in this damned state.

      • Castellio on December 3, 2012, 10:45 pm

        Isn’t that now?

  6. pineywoodslim on December 3, 2012, 10:15 am

    So, in 2016 perhaps it will be Hillary v. Rand Paul who, himself, just made a visit to Israel to pledge his fealty.

    Increasingly, I suspect that these affirmations will not play as well with the American public though as with the donors.

  7. chinese box on December 3, 2012, 10:28 am

    And to think this woman was advocating for Palestinian state in the late ’90s.

    These people will do anything–sell their souls–to obtain more power, more recognition. I hope it’s worth it to them.

    • Krauss on December 3, 2012, 12:01 pm

      Who cares about them? They’re trash.

      As for Hillary, it’s ironic that she was attacked from having embraced, physically, Arafat’s wife at an event outside the White House in the 1990s.

      • Mooser on December 3, 2012, 1:32 pm

        Krauss, when the First Lady of the United States of America allows the President to walk all over her, and humiliate her in front of the entire nation, you know she’s useless, and will never, ever be able to stand up to anybody. I dismissed her as useless at that time, and she hasn’t disappointed me.

    • john h on December 3, 2012, 12:59 pm

      “I hope it’s worth it to them”. I don’t. I hope they fall flat on their faces because America woke up and put them out of power.

  8. Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 10:39 am

    Clinton’s have always sucked up and clearly Hillary is a devoted warmonger. If the Republicans run Jeb Bush and the Dems run Clinton she is going to have a very hard time. I know die hard Dems who have had it with the Clintons. Exit stage right. The I/p issue continues to stagnate with individuals like Clinton in powerful positions. Just what the Zionist want. Stagnation in real resolutions and compromise while the continue to steal Palestinian lands. Clearly Hillary supports that. If she runs many of us will actively work against her nomination.

    • American on December 3, 2012, 11:43 am

      If Jeb is more like his father, Bush Sr., in US ideology than George Jr was I would vote for him gladly.
      I did vote for Bush Sr. as a matter of fact. Bush Sr. was the only Prez in recent decades to actually try and punish Israel for their settlements by withholding US aid..
      Will not vote for Hillary under any circumstances.

      • Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 4:45 pm

        I think Jeb is far more like his father. And yes 41 and James Baker held Israel accountable for their illegal actions at least for a little while. Did not last long… the I lobby made sure of that

    • seafoid on December 3, 2012, 1:09 pm

      Clinton won’t have much of a chance in 2016. She’s too old, she’s too DC, the economy will be in bits and perceptions of Israel may also be very different then. I think she’s like Palin in 2009. Not a snowball’s.

      • Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 4:35 pm

        She is nothing like Palin in any way shape or form. Hillary is brilliant but her vote for the Iraq war and this support for Israel no matter what they do demonstrates her political calculations outweigh any moral sensibility whatsoever.

      • seafoid on December 4, 2012, 7:56 am

        I meant in the sense that nobody could see beyond Palin for most of 2009 – there was huge interest in her 2012 candidacy and virtually nobody mentioned anyone who actually subsequently took part in the Republican primaries.

      • Philip Munger on December 3, 2012, 4:41 pm

        Clinton won’t have much of a chance in 2016. She’s too old

        — Driving into town to go to a concert Saturday, the four of us talked about Clinton’s 2016 chances. That’s pretty much what I said too. I added that people are getting tired of the Clintons, even though Bill’s 2012 Democratic Party Convention speech showed he’s still got a spark or three of demonic life left.

        The questions went on to “who will be the most likely 2016 Democratic Party prez contenders, then?” I suggested Rahm Emanuel, as he’s got the best operating money machine, even better than that of the Clintons.

        Anyone who hasn’t read David Remnick’s New Yorker piece on the forum should. Philip W. links to it above, in his update.

      • Kathleen on December 4, 2012, 5:30 am

        one of my most die hard Dem friends (i have voted for local Republicans based on their records) He would never do so. Never ever. Anyway when I heard him say he is “sick of the Clinton’s” I was in shock. Just not like him. He used to love the Clinton’s. Just “sick” of them.

        Hillary has the Iraq war resolution shadowing her at all times. And then her right wing stance on Israel (not a mention of settlements, Netanyahu and Israel’s defiant actions) and her aggressive stance on Iran based on Israeli talking points. Not going to fly I don’t care how much money she puts together.

        On Rahm cannot pull the blue collar vote again I don’t care how much money he can raise from the elite. He bought that position in Chicago but would never work nationally. Senator Sherrod Brown/ Elizabeth Warren or put Warren on top. This is the ticket. Brown takes the blue collar vote across the nation and takes Ohio. People across the nation love him

      • Rusty Pipes on December 4, 2012, 1:03 pm

        If Hillary runs in 2016, she may well start out as the frontrunner, with a well-funded war chest and hailed as such by the MSM. There are still some Democrats who adore the Clintons — think of all of those Obama fundraisers, with the opportunity to meet with two (count them, two!!!) Democratic presidents (I asked them to get back to me when Carter would be the other President). And there are many older Democratic women who are dedicated supporters of Hillary — without always paying close attention to her actual record.

        We may have a replay of the anti-Hillary voters rallying behind the survivor of the primaries, as they did behind Obama in 2008.

  9. seafoid on December 3, 2012, 10:46 am

    “finally achieved by pioneering men and women ”

    Pioneering – what a crock.Imagine the Burmese taking over Paris and calling the first Burmese settlers to take over the champs elysee pioneers.

    • eljay on December 3, 2012, 11:12 am

      >> Imagine the Burmese taking over Paris and calling the first Burmese settlers to take over the champs elysee pioneers.

      Good analogy…if the Burmese were noble white people returning to their noble homeland which was barren except for nasty brown people who hated them more than they loved their own children. Oh, how they could make that Parisian desert bloom!

      But we know that the Burmese are nasty brown people who most likely hate Parisians more than they love their own children (quelle horreur!) and that Paris is a noble city filled with noble white people (magnifique!).

  10. aiman on December 3, 2012, 11:04 am

    “I learned at the age of 10, when I was shipped off to a New England boarding school where the hazing of younger boys was the principal form of recreation, that those who hunger for power are psychopathic bastards. The bullies in the forms above me, the sadistic masters on our dormitory floors, the deans and the headmaster would morph in later life into bishops, newspaper editors, college presidents, politicians, heads of state, business titans and generals. Those who revel in the ability to manipulate and destroy are demented and deformed individuals. These severely diminished and stunted human beings—think Bill and Hillary Clinton—shower themselves, courtesy of elaborate public relations campaigns and an obsequious press, with encomiums of piety, patriotism, devoted public service, honor, courage and vision, not to mention a lot of money. They are at best mediocrities and usually venal. I have met enough of them to know. ” – Chris Hedges

  11. aiman on December 3, 2012, 11:09 am

    Just as drone-loving Obama proves that skin colour is no indicator of integrity no matter how much love junkies may hop at his 2008 scam of ‘yes we can’, Hillary Clinton proves that gender is no indicator of humanity.

    “Because political debate has become so debased in our media monoculture … race, gender and class can be used as seductive tools of propaganda and diversion. In Obama’s case, what matters, as Fanon pointed out in an earlier era, is not the intermediary’s “historic” elevation, but the class he serves. After all, Bush’s inner circle was probably the most multiracial in presidential history. There was Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, all dutifully serving an extreme and dangerous power.” – John Pilger

  12. RudyM on December 3, 2012, 11:15 am

    The Palestinians could have had a state as old as I am if they had made the right decision in 1947.

    There’s something actually weird about how mean the tone of this is. And it seems so completely identified with the settler-colonialist bullies.

    I also wonder if she would be so quick to bring up the 40s in any other setting. Does she really want to present the American public with the facts about what Palestinians were asked to agree to? What reasonable person would blame the Palestinians for not wanting to give up more than half their land for an ethnic enclave for a tiny invading minority?

    In turn, it makes me feel determined to see an end to any sort of Jewish state, whatsoever.

  13. RudyM on December 3, 2012, 11:18 am

    As for Clinton herself, I’ve never forgotten or forgiven her comments about Israel and America’s shared values, during Israel’s 2006 rampage in Lebanon.

  14. Donald on December 3, 2012, 11:37 am

    The David Remnick link is broken.

    And he beat me to it–obviously the 2016 campaign has begun.

    I looked it up. Here’s the link–


    It’s pretty good. Remnick gets in some good lines. I’d have loved to have watched this whole thing–it seems to have been as whacked out in its own way as Dr. Strangelove, except that this was real. (Not that some of the folks in our National Security State probably didn’t resemble the characters in that movie–I mean, look at the clowns at the Saban forum.)

    • Donald on December 3, 2012, 11:52 am

      Ignore the human suffering and this whole thing is comedy gold, worthy of Kubrick and Peter Sellars. “there aren’t political parties that create a Tzipi Livni or an Ehud Olmert or Avigdor Lieberman.” Oh stop it Hillary, you’re killing me here. I see her as Buck Turgidson, or maybe the crazy general in the Pentagon (the George C Scott character–I get the names mixed up). Lieberman (the Israeli one) is Dr. Strangelove. Joe Lieberman could be the Slim Pickens character, whooping it up as he rides the bomb down.

      • Rusty Pipes on December 3, 2012, 4:34 pm

        “Worthy of Kubrick and Peter Sellars” or Mel Brooks. Reading Remnick’s column is like the Bill and Hill Show meets “The Producers.” They are obviously fundraising for 2016, but is it for a real run or just for paying off her 2008 debts? Even if the show was not AIPAC-ready, fundraising at the Saban Forum while she is still in the SOS spotlight might bring in better returns than waiting for the annual “Democrats’ ATM” gathering in the spring:

        The film was like an international endorsement four years in advance of the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary. The tone was so reverential that it resembled the sort of film that the Central Committee of the Communist Party might have produced for Leonid Brezhnev’s retirement party if Leonid Brezhnev would only have retired and the Soviets had been in possession of advanced video technology. After it was over there was a separate video from the President. Looking straight into the camera, Obama kvelled at length: “You’ve been at my side at some of the most important moments of my Administration.”

        When the videos were over (and as the evening moved on), there was much chatter about what Clinton would do after she steps down from the Cabinet next month—get a haircut; take a few weeks sleeping off jet lag at Canyon Ranch; read the polls and the political landscape; do good works; do good works for the good people of, say, Iowa—and so on. Everyone had a theory of which they were one hundred percent certain. There wasn’t much doubt about the ultimate direction. 2007-8 was but a memory and 2016 was within sight. She’s running.

        All kinds of circumstances could intervene between now and 2016 to derail her—politics, health, family matters, a renewed Clinton fatigue—but Hillary’s numbers are enormous, her ambition equal to her capacities, and she was in high political gear. She proceeded to give a serious, sturdy speech of a certain kind; if not quite AIPAC-ready, it was a speech extremely careful not to ruffle anyone’s delicate feelings or becloud her last days as secretary of state. She asked of Israel only that it show more “generosity” to the Palestinians. She was quick to point out that, both in the recent Gaza crisis and then in the U.N. vote on Palestine’s non-member observer status, “we had Israel’s back.” She pointed out that the U.S. had “underwritten” Iron Dome, the missile-defense program that protected Israeli territory from rockets fired from Gaza.

  15. Les on December 3, 2012, 11:41 am

    Just as New York’s mayoral candidate Christine Quinn promises to give us four more years of Bloomberg whom she has supported in 1001 ways, Presidential candidate Clinton promises 4 more years of Obama’s Zionism.

  16. YoungMassJew on December 3, 2012, 12:10 pm

    “the most important high tech center in the world, after the United States.” This is why Israel is a fundamentally creepy country unlike any other on Earth. It has 2012 technology with the latest innovations in medicine superimposed over the 1950s, or even 19th century, political and cultural landscape of Alabama with the violent racism and lynching, like the one in Zion Square, and gov’t ministers saying Israel is for “the white man.” . Vistors can be easily tricked into thinking Israel is a normal civilized country when they see all the latest technology. That’s why I think Israel gets away with their crap. They can say, “Hey look we’re advanced and normal because we have great solar-paner technology” and that makes people overlook anything else. Name another country with that amount of internal contradictions. When you enter the country, even as an American Jew, you can immediately sense something is not quite right, but you can’t quite put your finger on it because you’re mesmerized by the modern technology that you think a country can’t be both modern and completely backwards at the same time.

    • HemiFaulk on December 3, 2012, 5:03 pm

      I agree with most of this but more to the point the 18oos “political & cultural” landscape was similar over much of the globe, regardless of location there was not much difference concerning racial outlook, similar to our present-in the moment-view of things, so it would at least seem at best unfair to parcel out one State to heap or lay\take the blame to, though that is the general course of matters because it is easier to attack that way, therefore when writers of history come along later they may inadvertently Skew left or right, or their writings will result in a skewing that is similar to film and media showing about five events in the South as the only story(ies) and therefore represent the only defining moments in the library of what could be labeled our Racial learning curve, resulting in the overwhelming amount of public opinion of how bad it is in the American South. Believe me I know, been hearing it all my life, over and over and over. Results, violence and discord were strong well north of Alabama, separation based on Ethnicity is practiced in all cultures and always has been thruout recorded history.

      But sure the White Man mentality is there, is here, always has and always will be, like who would expect people with more to just give away what they have earned or inherited? Hmmm, makes me wonder about the former residents in Palestine, the ones who helped those poor unfortunate Jews left on the beaches like Flotsam and Jetsam, who fed the poor then in return were forced from their homes, forced to abandon lands they had lived on for generations… Now that is a hard one to explain away, regardless of the last 70 years, so therefore it is time for new and unadulterated , modern avenues of thought to lead the way to what we would all hope may result in Peaceful long lasting Resolution for this contradictory\contested area.

      I agree whole heartedly, whether visiting, reading of Israel, viewing videos and documentaries, my suspicions are raised as to what is the real picture, what is really going on in Israel. Now that Internet users have matured, people are finding ways to bring about change thru non-violent means, resulting in changes in how changes are brought about, and it is these uncontrollable changes which have the old guard concerned.

      As well they should be, imagine if your Elected Representative were made to work at least 40 hours per week, could not hide behind a smoke screen of verbal bullshit and Sunday school ideology, oh the horrors if we were not guided by those misguided captains of industry & otherwise, yet it appears at times the Captains of the Ship(s) are not qualified, and when we discover this upon running aground, when the People really find this to be the case, perhaps they will not allow themselves to be forced Left and Right by the tried and true measures of creating Fears, well-placed fears at opportune times, like Puppets on a String, tossed to and fro amidst the waves…

      I got bim bam banana pops, dixie cups
      All flavors and pushups too

  17. tombishop on December 3, 2012, 12:11 pm

    For me, Hillary’s speaking style says it all. She reads a script with no emotion or commitment. It is just a chore she must do and she apparently has no thoughts on what she is saying. She speaks like someone who’s head was detached from her heart a long time ago.

    • MHughes976 on December 3, 2012, 1:42 pm

      Another reason, perhaps, why her proclaimed friends, Zionists and others, can’t really put their trust in her.

    • Dexter on December 3, 2012, 8:21 pm

      Detached head?…You mean like this?

    • aiman on December 3, 2012, 9:34 pm

      I wouldn’t be too sure about that. Here Hillary Clinton gleefully reacts to the cruel lynching of Qaddafi. How can one be civilised when condemning a cruel man for his cruelty while being cruel to him:

  18. MHughes976 on December 3, 2012, 12:24 pm

    One of the Independent journalists has begun telling us UK readers that the Republicans are shattered and that no one else among the Democrats has anything to match HC’s name recognition and popularity, not to mention deep roots in the party hierarchy. So on this showing she is all but next President already. She strikes me as quite frightening. But then she may have regarded her speech as a bitter pill in saccharine coating. There’s got to be a 2ss, can’t be both Jewish and democratic (and all that). For all her effusiveness I don’t suppose the Israelis, who have no intention of letting a 2ss emerge, trust her an inch.

    • annie on December 3, 2012, 1:13 pm

      no one else among the Democrats has anything to match HC’s name recognition and popularity, not to mention deep roots in the party hierarchy. So on this showing she is all but next President

      that’s what they said last time when she went up against a first time senator from illinois no one outside his state had ever heard of before a speech he gave at the previous dem convention.

      • MHughes976 on December 3, 2012, 1:42 pm

        You lighten my gloom a bit, annie. Hope it’s not another peace prize-winning drone wielder, though.

      • Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 7:54 pm

        Her vote for the Iraq war is going to dog her forever. Former IAEA weapons inspector Scott Ritter said over and over again the Clinton’s knew there were no WMD’s in Iraq. Then Senator Clinton ignored Senator Dick Durbin’s no vote and he was on the intelligence committee. She voted for that war. She is complicit. But on top of that she is completely beholden to the I lobby and Israel she rolls over and actually don’t think that she has to roll over that much. Think she is a right wing warmonger on the I/P conflict and will attack Iran in a flash. Hillary will have a good section of the base against her. Working hard against her.

  19. kalithea on December 3, 2012, 12:31 pm

    Zionism is not democracy. Palestinians lives are totally controlled by the brutal Zionist occupiers and yet Palestinians have no say whatsoever in the so-called Zionist “democracy”. Zionism is evil to the core and threatens not only the future of Palestinians but world stability as well as Zionists relentlessly push for war with Iran.

    I must repeat, start discussing the ways Zionists manage to get the leaders and potential leaders of the world’s most powerful countries (minus China and Russia) to support them. That is part of the evil hold that Zionism has on Palestinians and why Palestinians will never be free until that evil is thoroughly exposed to the entire world.

  20. atime forpeace on December 3, 2012, 12:35 pm

    Israel right or wrong, is a dangerous demand to make of politicians. At some point they may resent it.

    Good luck in the future with that.

  21. American on December 3, 2012, 12:58 pm
    Israel seizes $120m in Palestinian tax revenue over UN statehood vote
    Palestinian official accuses Israel of desperation after second punitive response to UN vote recognising state of Palestine

    Netanyahu aides: Israel will not cancel settlement expansion plans
    Britain, France, Sweden, Spain, and Denmark summon Israeli envoys in their capitals over Netanyahu’s plan to erect 3,000 new homes in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.
    Senior officials in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said Monday that Israel does not intend on canceling its plans to accelerate settlement construction in the area known as E-1, between Maa’leh Adumim and Jerusalem.
    Following several hours of silence, the Prime Minister’s Office finally responded to the many condemnations by European countries over Israel’s planned settlement expansion.
    A source in Netanyahu’s office said that Israel will not retract its decision to advance construction in the E-1 area. “We will continue to stand by our vital interests against international pressure and there will be no change in the decision that was made,” sources in Netanyahu’s office said.
    PMO officials added that in light of the fact that the Palestinian move at the United Nations is a violation of agreements with Israel, “it is no wonder that Israel did not sit idly by.”
    “If the they (Palestinians) will continue taking unilateral steps, Israel will act accordingly,” a source in Netanyahu’s office said.
    Earlier Monday, Britain, France, and Sweden summoned the Israeli ambassadors to their countries on Monday to express their condemnation of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to construct settlements in area E-1. Later on Monday, Spain and Denmark also summoned the Israeli envoys in their countries.
    Netanyahu’s decision Friday to move ahead on planning in E1 and to build 3,000 housing units in the settlement blocs and in East Jerusalem, has apparently shocked the foreign ministries and the leaders in London and Paris. Not only do Britain and France view construction in E1 as a “red line,” they are reportedly angry because they view Israel as having responded ungratefully to the support the two countries gave it during the recent Gaza operation.

    Britain and France are poised to take action − possibly including the unprecedented step of recalling their ambassadors, according to senior European diplomats − in protest at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to move settlement construction ahead in the area known as E1, between Ma’aleh Adumim and Jerusalem.
    For first time, Britain, France may recall ambassadors to protest Israel’s settlement construction
    Moves against Israel will be made in the next few days following Netanyahu’s decision to move ahead on planning in E1 and build 3,000 housing units in the settlement blocs, and in East Jerusalem, say senior European diplomats

    “This time it won’t just be a condemnation, there will be real action taken against Israel,” a senior European diplomat said

    “This time it won’t just be a condemnation, there will be real action taken against Israel,”……Really?, well show us. We’ll believe it when we see it.

    • lysias on December 3, 2012, 4:26 pm

      How was the Palestinian move at the UN a violation of previous agreements? What terms of what agreement(s) did it violate?

      By the way, an Israeli government spokesman, challenged about how the Israeli plan to build in E-1 violates promises Israel had made to the U.S., said that the agreement with the U.S. is “no longer relevant”.

  22. seafoid on December 3, 2012, 12:58 pm

    America and South Vietnam are in it together.

  23. DICKERSON3870 on December 3, 2012, 1:05 pm

    RE: “‘America and Israel are in it together,’ Clinton declares” ~ Weiss
    AND RE: “Hillary Clinton is running for President. And the Israeli political class is a full-blown train wreck.” ~ David Remnick

    MY COMMENT: Down, down, down we go into the deep, dark abyss; hand in hand with Israel.

    SEE: “Is There a Way Beyond Israeli Madness?” [Will the Chosen People and the Exceptional People Go Down Together?] ~ by John Grant, Counterpunch, 8/31/12


    “The patient, by the name of Israel, walks into the room and instantly bursts into a tirade of arguments conclusively proving his credentials, and says that he is better than everyone else.” ~ Ofer Grosbard, ‘Israel On The Couch: The Psychology of the Peace Process’

    Americans have an Israel problem. . .
    . . . The problem Americans have with Israel is that the region it exists in is in the midst of a major political sea change, while Israel is frozen in time and holding on to its militarist, right-wing policies of extending settlements in the West Bank. It’s a policy that harks back to the ideas of the British-trained militarist Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall [SEE WIKIPEDIA – J.L.D.], which is based on the idea a live-and-let-live policy between Jews and Arabs is impossible and, thus, Jews must militarily control and repress Palestinians . . .

    . . . How does a people turn back a racially-oriented demonization program with roots that extend back many decades? How do you ratchet down a nation’s narcissism so people are able to simply see the other as a human being? . . .
    . . . On our part, Americans and the United States need to stop being a permissive yes-man [i.e. a habitual “enabler” ~ J.L.D.] and begin to show Israel some tough love. We need more US criticism of Israel. No doubt this approach will be received with gales of cynical laughter from hardliners . . . but so what?
    In my mind, the Israeli narcissistic and arrogant mindset would benefit from a little Buddhist detachment, more of the posture that sees the world not of separate individual selves and egos but of human beings as part of a larger flow of life. The Buddhists call the self-obsessed, separatist state-of-mind [i.e. the “pale” of Israel surrounded by Ze’ev Jabotinsky’s Iron Wall – J.L.D.] that Israel thrives on and defends with weapons as “the illusory self.”
    “Once one identifies with a permanent self-concept, the pride and craving adhering to this become the pivot from which an egocentric world arises,” writes Gay Watson, a psychotherapist attuned to Buddhism.

    David Loy puts it this way: “To become completely groundless is also to become completely grounded, not in some particular, but in the whole network of
    interdependent relations that constitute the world.”
    I’m not suggesting Israel become a Buddhist nation. The point is for Israelis, and more important Americans, to figure a way out of the worsening condition of “us versus them” to avoid the need to obliterate them and set off a war that no one really wants. The point is to re-shape our minds to make “the other” less threatening to permit talking.
    I’m not holding my breath that Benjamin Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman are going to become peace activists. But I’m done as an American being a silent stooge while Israeli militarist madness fuels hatred and sets the stage for war.


    • Kathleen on December 4, 2012, 5:42 am

      Israel’s whole identity is based on isolating, intimidating and oppressing the “other” Tough to stop being the bully when it is who you have become. Definitely needs serious intervention

  24. Woody Tanaka on December 3, 2012, 1:11 pm

    This “Arafat rejected such and such at Camp David” nonsense is that it presupposes that the zios would have kept to the bargain. No one in his or her right mind would trust israel, about anything, ever. The notion that all would have been fine if only for Arafat is delusional. israel has never respected any agreement it ever made. The only thing the agreement would have done was to bind the Palestinians while the israelis continued to oppress Palestinians, which seems to be israel’s reason for being.

  25. American on December 3, 2012, 1:22 pm

    Armageddon – WWIII planning? Everyone who can should be ready to bail out of Isrmerica. I’m thinking Tahiti might be a good choice.

    U.S. mysterious construction project in Israel
    By Walter Pincus, Published: November 28

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers plans to supervise construction of a five-story underground facility for an Israel Defense Forces complex, oddly named “Site 911,” at an Israeli Air Force base near Tel Aviv.

    Expected to take more than two years to build, at a cost of up to $100 million, the facility is to have classrooms on Level 1, an auditorium on Level 3, a laboratory, shock-resistant doors, protection from nonionizing radiation and very tight security. Clearances will be required for all construction workers, guards will be at the fence and barriers will separate it from the rest of the base.

    Only U.S. construction firms are being allowed to bid on the contract and proposals are due Dec. 3, according to the latest Corps of Engineers notice.

    Site 911 is the latest in a long history of military construction projects the United States has undertaken for the IDF under the U.S. Foreign Military Sales program. The 1998 Wye River Memorandum between Israel and the Palestinian Authority has led to about $500 million in U.S. construction of military facilities for the Israelis, most of them initially in an undeveloped part of the Negev Desert. It was done to ensure there were bases to which IDF forces stationed in the West Bank could be redeployed.

    As recorded in the Corps’ European District magazine, called Engineering in Europe, three bases were built to support 20,000 troops, and eventually the Israeli air force moved into the same area, creating Nevatim air base. A new runway, 2.5 miles long, was built there by the Corps along with about 100 new buildings and 10 miles of roads.

    Over the years, the Corps has built underground hangers for Israeli fighter-bombers, facilities for handling nuclear weapons (though Israel does not admit having such weapons), command centers, training bases, intelligence facilities and simulators, according to Corps publications.

    Within the past two years the Corps, which has three offices in Israel, completed a $30 million set of hangars at Nevatim, which the magazine describes as a “former small desert outpost that has grown to be one of the largest and most modern air bases in the country.” It has also supervised a $20 million project to build maintenance shops, hangars and headquarters to support Israel’s large Eitan unmanned aerial vehicle.

    Site 911, which will be built at another base, appears to be one of the largest projects. Each of the first three underground floors is to be roughly 41,000 square feet, according to the Corps notice. The lower two floors are much smaller and hold equipment.

    Security concerns are so great that non-Israeli employees hired by the builder can come only from “the U.S., Canada, Western Europe countries, Poland, Moldavia, Thailand, Philippines, Venezuela, Romania and China,” according to the Corps notice. “The employment of Palestinians is also forbidden,” it says.

    Among other security rules: The site “shall have one gate only for both entering and exiting the site” and “no exit or entrance to the site shall be allowed during work hours except for supply trucks.” Guards will be Israeli citizens with experience in the Israeli air force. Also, “the collection of information of any type whatsoever related to base activities is prohibited.”

    The well-known Israeli architectural firm listed on the plans, Ada Karmi-Melamede Architects, has paid attention to the aesthetics of the site design as well as the sensibilities of future employees. The site, for example, will be decorated with rocks chosen by the architect but purchased by the contractor. Three picnic tables are planned, according to the solicitation.

    The Corps offered a lengthy description of the mezuzas the contractor is to provide “for each door or opening exclusive of toilets or shower rooms” in the Site 911 building. A mezuza (also spelled mezuzah) is a parchment which has been inscribed with Hebrew verses from the Torah, placed in a case and attached to a door frame of a Jewish family’s house as a sign of faith. Some interpret Jewish law as requiring — as in this case — that a mezuza be attached to every door in a house.

    These mezuzas, notes the Corps, “shall be written in inerasable ink, on . . . uncoated leather parchment” and be handwritten by a scribe “holding a written authorization according to Jewish law.” The writing may be “Ashkenazik or Sepharadik” but “not a mixture” and “must be uniform.”

    Also, “The Mezuzahs shall be proof-read by a computer at an authorized institution for Mezuzah inspection, as well as manually proof-read for the form of the letters by a proof-reader authorized by the Chief Rabbinate.” The mezuza shall be supplied with an aluminum housing with holes so it can be connected to the door frame or opening. Finally, “All Mezuzahs for the facility shall be affixed by the Base’s Rabbi or his appointed representative and not by the contractor staff.”

    What’s the purpose of Site 911? I asked the Pentagon on Tuesday, and the Corps on Wednesday said that only an Israeli Defense Ministry spokesman could provide an answer.

    This may be a trend-starter. The Corps is also seeking a contractor for another secret construction project in Israel in the $100 million range to awarded next summer. This one will involve “a complex facility with site development challenges” requiring services that include “electrical, communication, mechanical/
    HVAC [heating, ventilation, air conditioning] and plumbing.” The U.S. contractor must have a U.S. secret or equivalent Israeli security clearance for the project, which is expected to take almost 21 / 2 years to complete.

    That sounds like a secure command center.

    The purpose of Site 911 is far less clear.

    • seafoid on December 3, 2012, 2:31 pm

      That iscfascinating. Site 911 will be the qalat al hosn/ kerak des chevaliers of the 21st century. I was enthralled by the qalat when i was a child. It was depicted in a book of castles I loved. It is the real deal with massive wallls and has a moat and was thz dogs bollocks frankly. It stood for crusader military power in the levant. And it fell just as site 911 will. Economics are a [email protected] The mezuzahs will delight future archaeologists.

    • Shmuel on December 3, 2012, 2:58 pm

      Security concerns are so great that non-Israeli employees hired by the builder can come only from “the U.S., Canada, Western Europe countries, Poland, Moldavia, Thailand, Philippines, Venezuela, Romania and China,” according to the Corps notice.

      That limits the options to only a few hundred million able-bodied workers. Now that’s what I call a tough selection process. I commend the Corps for keeping those shifty Latvians and Uruguayans at arm’s length, but wonder how they will possibly manage to recruit enough workers with trustworthy passports.

      • Rusty Pipes on December 4, 2012, 1:11 pm

        Maybe they just threw all of those other countries in there as a distraction and are just planning to use the semi-slaves from the Phillipines and Thailand who are already living in Israel.

      • piotr on December 4, 2012, 2:53 pm

        Why do they exclude Palau, Micronesia, Marshall Islands and Czech republic? (Perhaps they locate Bohemia in Western Europe, unlike Poland.)

    • lysias on December 3, 2012, 4:13 pm

      The only use I can think of for such a facility would be a command center for the launching of the Samson Option.

  26. amigo on December 3, 2012, 1:24 pm

    I wonder if she blames the Palestinians for Bill,s indiscretions.

    What a immoral vaccuous vessel she is.

  27. Mndwss on December 3, 2012, 1:59 pm

    “Egypt will need a constitution that protects the rights of all, creates strong institutions, and reflects an inclusive process. Egypt will be strongest – and so will our partnership – if Egypt is democratic and united behind a common understanding of what democracy means. Democracy is not one election one time. Democracy is respecting minority rights” – Killary

    Does she know that Israel does not have a constitution?

    She should have said:

    Israel will need a constitution that protects the rights of all, creates strong institutions, and reflects an inclusive process. Israel will be strongest – and so will our partnership – if Israel is democratic and united behind a common understanding of what democracy means. Democracy is not elections. Democracy includes respecting minority rights…

  28. atime forpeace on December 3, 2012, 3:01 pm

    She is not an immoral vaccuous vessel she is the best politician money can buy.

    How sad that it is for sale in the first place.

    • Theo on December 4, 2012, 8:03 am

      Better said, Hillary is the best immoral vaccuous politician money can buy.
      Same words in a different order.

      When the day of reconning comes, and it must come sooner or later, her name must be included in the list of worst war criminals, next to her hobby.
      To think that I once admired Bill?!

  29. David Doppler on December 3, 2012, 3:02 pm

    Politics today as practiced by the masters. Why am I reminded of Lincoln, Spielberg’s movie, and Phil’s columns based on Team of Rivals (which I still need to read)? A slice of life of an historic master politician, in an historic time, doing what he needed to end slavery in America for all time, including buying votes, issuing misleading statements and false or misleading assurances (to the point of crimes or deceit? you be the judge), postponing a peace delegation for political purposes – meanwhile the Siege of Petersburg continues, killing tens of thousands, because he’s won re-election and has that one historic shot during the lame duck session to buy enough lame ducks to win the historic change, as his own swan song. The movie didn’t depict Lincoln’s pandering First Inaugural, where he pledged to respect slavery as a legal American institution, using what talents he had trying to avoid secession and war. It did memorably show Thaddeus Stevens compromising his lifelong commitment to “absolute equality” in favor of just “equality before the law,” in order to get it done. Politics is the art of the possible, and watching it practiced is like watching sausages being made, even when masters are at work on their most historic achievements. No politician can succeed today with a frontal assault on the Israel Lobby. But Clinton has a clear shot at the White House in 2016, is doing what she needs to do to win it. Let’s hope people who write and follow this blog can help engineer an historic opportunity to end the Palestinian misery and the outrages done to them as a people, without Civil War level casualties (>500,000 dead Americans). And no mediocre politician is going to succeed at making that happen, so this makes important viewing, even if some watch and feel their blood boil. I say let that rage be channeled into specific steps to shatter the Lobby’s hold on Congress and the MSM, to create room for master politicians – in power and in waiting – to achieve real, historic change.

    • Mooser on December 4, 2012, 4:10 pm

      “… to create room for master politicians – in power and in waiting – to achieve real, historic change”

      Excuse me, David, that one sort of flew way over my head, but are you contending Hilary Clinton is a “master politician” who will “achieve real, historic change” for the Palestinians? And this is all 11-dimensional chess?
      Dave, you’re supposed to wait until Thursday Dec 6th.

      • eljay on December 4, 2012, 6:08 pm

        >> But Clinton has a clear shot at the White House in 2016, is doing what she needs to do to win it. Let’s hope people who write and follow this blog can help engineer an historic opportunity to end the Palestinian misery and the outrages done to them as a people …

        If Obama hasn’t done it yet, Clinton sure as hell isn’t going to do it in 2016.

  30. gingershot on December 3, 2012, 3:15 pm

    Hillary is deep into her meditation now as she prepares for 2016 –

    Her mantra is ‘AIPAC’ …..’AIPAC’ …. ‘AIPAC’

    In her last weeks as Sec of State she is sending a clear message to AIPAC and Israel that she will give them everything Obama hasn’t – the transcendent cover for eternal Apartheid.

    She’s making it loud and clear that she will never treat Israeli and Netanyahu (or Lieberman even) like Obama did because she wants to be the toast that Israel butters. She’s raising her skirt and giving them all the signs. ‘Obama made me do it but you will soon forget all that’, she purrs.

    What’s that Hillary? – did I hear you say that AIPAC should have ‘done more’ for her in 2008 to ‘make sure’ that Obama didn’t do what he did? What’s that – ‘Sheldon Adelson’?

    Will she get Sheldon Adelson’s money? Why not ? – she was to the right of McCain/Palin on Israel in 2008

    Hillary is the heir apparent for the Lobby – just like in 2008 – and she’s one of them now anyway – she told them so

    She’ll promise them the Iran Obama never gave them

  31. seafoid on December 3, 2012, 4:25 pm

    ‘US foreign policy is set by people who’ve almost no insight into human welfare, education, labour, desires or hopes’ –

  32. gingershot on December 3, 2012, 5:11 pm

    The problem with Israel is she has been ‘kiting’ her settlements and land grabs for so long that there is little left of Israel that IS legitimate

    She’s like Bernie Madoff – the extent of her illegal gains are inseparable from any possible legal holdings. It’s basically all illegal at this point

    This is not surprising when you read Israelis themselves who say this has been precisely the plan all along – to so intercalate herself with Palestine (as she has now done) that a separate Palestinian state would be impossible

    Israel created the current Apartheid state precisely so it would be inseparable from Palestine – she created the One State even if she was so foolish to create an Apartheid One State that will now be dismantled. It was a good ride while it lasted…

    Congratulations Israel – you win the contest of the biggest Fools’ Paradise on the planet – like Bernie Madoff I know it’s difficult to see it all end

    Apartheid Israel is a Fools’ Paradise – and all King Netanyahu’s men and paid bloggers can no longer keep it together – Palestine is 3/4s free already and Apartheid is 1/4 gone

  33. ToivoS on December 3, 2012, 7:21 pm

    I have never liked the flag fetish that is so common in America, but I have to say I was seriously put off by that flag in the above photo. Isn’t that flag desecration — obliterating most of the stripes and replacing them with the star of David. I can’t imagine a US politician posing in front of a altered stars and stripes that carried an embedded Christian Cross. Just think of the outrage: all of those angry Zionists would withhold their contributions.

    • American on December 4, 2012, 10:38 am

      “but I have to say I was seriously put off by that flag in the above photo. Isn’t that flag desecration — obliterating most of the stripes and replacing them with the star of David”….ToivoS

      I wondered about that too…..I can’t tell from the picture if it’s a real flag made for their purpose or a altered photo backdrop. Don’t remember anything inthe flag protocols about altering the flag or displays of the flag by superimposing a foreign flag on it but it does seem it should be forbidden.

  34. Sibiriak on December 3, 2012, 7:25 pm


    and I don’t care how many people try to revise that history, the fact is he said no at Camp David

    Translation: ” I don’t care about all the factual refutations, I’m going to stick with the myth that Arafat said no at Camp David” (aka “The Myth of the Generous Offer”)

  35. Kathleen on December 3, 2012, 7:48 pm

    Anyone think Clinton would go along with an attack on Iran? No question about it. This woman was complicit with the unnecessary and immoral invasion of Iraq. She is a warmonger.

  36. Avi_G. on December 3, 2012, 8:03 pm

    I don’t think science has yet to manage to pack this much b.s. into so few sentences. The b.s. density in those statements must be 700 turds per cm³. Hillary seems to be a pioneer in this field. Quick, someone call the Guinness World Records.

  37. edwardm on December 3, 2012, 9:27 pm

    “Demographic chatter.” Great. Now we have “Hillary the Arab Counter”. InSOFFERable!

  38. Les on December 3, 2012, 9:35 pm

    London Independent editorial

    Monday 3 December 2012
    Editorial: Take a stand on illegal settlements

    Israel has not only “punished” the Palestinians for seeking and achieving an upgrade of UN status, it has also slapped the face of the UK and of Germany, both of whom withheld support for the Palestinians in the vote.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s decision to give the go-ahead for some 3,000 new homes in the occupied territories may be part of long-held plans to cut off East Jerusalem from the rest of the Palestinian territories, killing off hopes of a separate state with a capital in Jerusalem. Alternatively, it may be another move in Israel’s old game of suggesting the worst and then demanding favours for restraint. In either case, it cannot go unchallenged.

    Thus far, Britain, France and Sweden have indicated their anger by calling in the Israeli ambassadors. Germany, unusually supportive, has publicly condemned Israel’s action. But although this may be strong stuff in diplomatic circles, in practical terms it means very little unless it is accompanied by actions.

    Mr Netanyahu has thrown down the gauntlet, declaring on Sunday that “we will carry on building in Jerusalem and in all the places that are on the map of Israel’s strategic interests”. If that is really his policy, then he is knowingly and deliberately crushing any hope of a negotiated two-state solution to the world’s longest-running and most destructive dispute.

    The Foreign Office says that it is considering further action if Israel does not withdraw its measures. Recalling our ambassador from Israel, as early rumours suggested might be the case, is self-defeating. This is a case where Europe should and could act as a whole. For starters, we could ban the import of any products from the settlements and insist on labelling of origin as a precondition of any import. We could also decide to rescind the “association agreement” recently signed with Israel giving it considerable trading advantages.

    For too long Europe has looked to the US to do the arm-twisting on Israel. It is time that we showed some grit of our own

    • mmayer on December 4, 2012, 8:19 am

      Mark 8:36
      For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his soul.

      I am not religious, but find this quite apt.

  39. mmayer on December 3, 2012, 10:21 pm

    When I was reading Hillary’s commentary, I realized that this made me more angry than probably anything else I have read. To demonize whole populations while shamelessly pandering to secure campaign funding and the “Jewish” vote is appalling. This is what America wants in another President?

    What bothered me the most was the implication that the Palestinians should have accepted the 1947 partition plan with no acknowledgement that no population would have accepted it. I am so disgusted with Hillary Clinton at this moment.

    • Kathleen on December 4, 2012, 5:47 am

      Never ever forget that she voted for the Iraq war resolution knowing there were no WMD’s in Iraq. And she would attack Iran in a New York minute. Hillary is as big of a warmonger as Israel could ever possibly want.

    • seafoid on December 4, 2012, 10:35 am

      Imagine the UN voting to give 50% of the US to Rwanda.
      And Americans accepting it.

  40. Basilio on December 3, 2012, 11:00 pm

    American politicians want power, and they feel they need a green light from a foreign power- Israel, to get it. They have to sell themselves to the devil, so to speak.

  41. Steve Macklevore on December 4, 2012, 7:49 am

    I wouldn’t worry about Hillary. Unlike her husband, she comes over as exactly what she is – highly ambitious, highly intelligent, rather unprincipled and rather nasty. Those aren’t characteristics that enable you to win the popularity contest that is a U.S Presidential election.

    • Mooser on December 4, 2012, 5:06 pm

      “Those aren’t characteristics that enable you to win the popularity contest that is a U.S Presidential election.”

      But Obama just won the election. And I can’t think of a more apt description in many ways. Bill walks all over Hilary, the military and intelligence agencies walk all over Obama.

  42. seafoid on December 4, 2012, 8:33 am

    Lieberman is such a lowlife.-

    Lieberman managed to amuse himself when he said that the main problem for the Palestinians was not Israel or occupation but rather the fact that for the Palestinians the average income does not approach ten thousand dollars a year and that there is scant acquaintance in Ramallah or Rafah with the works of Voltaire and Rousseau.

    Read more:

    Maybe there is someone familiar with the history of NYC who could post something about attitudes to the Galician Jews who arrived in the 1880s and how respected they were at the time.

  43. robertsgt40 on December 4, 2012, 12:11 pm

    ‘America and Israel are in it together,’ —-So Hillary admits to the conspiracy?

  44. sandhillexit on December 4, 2012, 12:33 pm

    After all the flattery, back and forth, and the establishing her bona fides as friend, nay family, Hillary says two things which the AIP group must hear: first, half of the people you are bombing in Gaza are children, and second, you must reward efforts made by peaceful and diplomatic means or you will see more and more of the opposite. These are the cautions made by a friend to a friend.

  45. American on December 4, 2012, 1:36 pm

    Israel will be told how naughty it is and sent to bed without their supper……yea, that will do the trick. That will teach ’em.

    We should send the EU a drop down selection list:
    Sanctions on
    Eventual Genocidal Transfer of Palestines
    Eventual ME WWIII & Global Economic Depression

    Britain to Israel: Reverse settlement expansion or Europe will consider further steps
    British Foreign Secretary Hague says Europe unlikely to open economic sanctions against Israel; Ireland, Finland, Australia, Brazil and Egypt join other countries in summoning Israeli ambassador.

  46. Castellio on December 4, 2012, 7:16 pm

    A new global arbiter is needed other than the UN, which is mortally crippled by the US-Israeli alliance.

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