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From the Israeli daily newspaper, Ma’ariv, 7/22/13. 

The Hebrew language press is treating claims of any real chance of a breakthrough in the peace negotiations derisively.  As the headline reads, “No chance for a permanent settlement.”

It has been leaked that Martin Indyk has been tabbed as Kerry’s Dennis Ross in the current round of U.S./Israel/Palestine negotiations.  Indyk is part of the old failed Jew crew of lawyers for Israel that never seem to go away.  Others from the old team that were considered for the post were Dennis “The Original” Ross and Daniel “The Good Kop” Kurtzer.  I would not be surprised to see them on board before this debacle ends.

Some Israeli politicians think they can use Kerry to strengthen the Zionist position by pushing for an interim agreement.  This idea has been repeatedly rejected by Palestinian negotiators because they view it as an attempt to create a de facto permanent occupation that would only codify the status quo.  At best it could help drag out a “revived” “peace process” another ten years.  Naftali Bennett is one right-wing Israeli politician who supports an interim solution, although he thinks it would have to be imposed on the Palestinians by his government.

Maybe Kerry and Indyk are the ones that can help Bennett realize his colonial dream.

Kerry is not going to rock the AIPAC/Israeli settlement boat.  The question is how much harm will he do.  Even if the Secretary of State does not get the agreement he seeks, the Palestinians are, at least, sure to be saddled with something like the phrase, “Kerry’s generous offer.”  In other words, the Americans and the Israelis will be able to drone, “Kerry offered the Palestinians more than they could have dreamed of, and they walked on by.”

The “peace process” continues.

Ira Glunts
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  1. Donald
    Donald
    July 22, 2013, 4:50 pm

    “the Palestinians are, at least, sure to be saddled with something like the phrase, “Kerry’s generous offer.” In other words, the Americans and the Israelis will be able to drone, “Kerry offered the Palestinians more than they could have dreamed of, and they walked on by.

    The “peace process” continues.”

    The best summary of “the peace process” that I’ve ever seen.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      July 22, 2013, 10:11 pm

      “the Palestinians are, at least, sure to be saddled with something like the phrase, “Kerry’s generous offer.”

      I don’t think that works, when Kerry and Obama are dragging their feet, begging, and blackmailing the Palestinians not to take-up the standing treaty offers available to “any State” to become a party to a host of multilateral conventions that the US and Israel are legally obliged to respect.

      The US government might cutoff funding to a few relatively unimportant forums, like UNESCO, but it’s not going to distance or isolate itself from rule making or lawmaking treaty bodies that can be used by other powers against it.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        July 22, 2013, 10:31 pm

        The US government might cutoff funding to a few relatively unimportant forums, like UNESCO, but it’s not going to distance or isolate itself from rule making or lawmaking treaty bodies that can be used by other powers against it.

        Does it even need to belong to those organizations to have influence? The US does has not ratified it’s membership to the the ICC, but that doesn’t stop it trying to pull strings and twisting arms behind the scenes.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        July 23, 2013, 2:52 am

        Does it even need to belong to those organizations to have influence? The US does has not ratified it’s membership to the the ICC, but that doesn’t stop it trying to pull strings and twisting arms behind the scenes.

        Nonetheless, the president of the International Criminal Court, Song Sang-Hyun, appointed a three-judge panel to consider opening a criminal investigation against Israel over the attack on the aid flotilla. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/the-hague-weighs-criminal-probe-of-israel-over-2010-marmara-raid.premium-1.534663

        Organizations, like the WTO, would be a much better analogy. The long knives would come out the minute the US isolated itself or tried to withdraw from one of them. For example the WTO is an organization that has readily adopted sanctions against the US in the past. The Palestinians already have 130 countries that can take action against Israel for improperly interfering in their trade relations and Capacity Building (CB) efforts with Palestine and failing to properly support the rules based Mutilateral Trade System (MTS). See for example: Palestinians hope for WTO membership to end economic dependence on Israel http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2011-12/23/c_122476140.htm

  2. MHughes976
    MHughes976
    July 22, 2013, 5:03 pm

    Indeed I see what you mean and it is a very trenchant and plausible summary. But will Kerry be able in post-‘conference’ rhetoric to describe any ‘offer’ as ‘mine’? He and Obama are utterly committed in public to the idea that it is the Israelis and the Palestinians who must negotiate and that it is not the function of anyone else even to make proposals, let alone offers. It is ‘Netanyahu’s generous offer’ that has to exceed the wildest dreams of the benighted Palestinians. That might not be easy to say with a face straight enough to carry conviction even in the usual gullible quarters.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      July 22, 2013, 10:37 pm

      It is ‘Netanyahu’s generous offer’ that has to exceed the wildest dreams of the benighted Palestinians.

      Of course. The Palestinians have started using a simple “bite-sized” rejoinder: “Netanyahu refuses to show us a map of the borders that he wants us to accept.”

      Once he does, the Palestinians can finally refuse to accept his unilateral revisions and end this “mutually agreed” swaps charade and put the US and Israel on the spot.

  3. just
    just
    July 22, 2013, 5:16 pm

    Mr. Obama is the captain of this sad ship…………………….. I am so freaking disappointed. I kinda forgave him for not steering the correct course in his first term, for a myriad of reasons. I expected much more this time, but he has been a total failure wrt I/P.

    Sad, and unforgivable. You would think he cares about human rights and justice, and is opposed to Apartheid………..

    Thanks, Ira.

  4. Les
    Les
    July 22, 2013, 5:29 pm

    Add this tidbit from Haaretz:
    Ahead of renewal of peace talks || Israel asked U.S. to free Pollard in exchange for Palestinian prisoners
    Netanyahu asked Kerry for release of Israeli spy in return for freeing 103 Palestinian prisoners as part of peace talks, Channel 2 reports; U.S. rejected request.
    By Barak Ravid | 23:14 22.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.537306

    • American
      American
      July 22, 2013, 11:07 pm

      @ Les

      In a way I wish he would release Pollard…..another nail in the coffin.

  5. Philip Munger
    Philip Munger
    July 22, 2013, 6:11 pm

    Back in 1999, they called Dennis Ross the “Peace Process Czar.” Can we apply that term to Martin Indyk yet? As informal titles go, that one has as much legacy of real failure as any of the “Czar” titles administrative appointees wear.

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 22, 2013, 6:21 pm

    The Heinz ketchup bottle label goes up and down, remains the same.

    • Daniel Rich
      Daniel Rich
      July 22, 2013, 10:28 pm

      @ Citizen,

      off topic: Is this a ‘subtle’ reference to Kerry shagging the misses?

      :o)

  7. Inanna
    Inanna
    July 22, 2013, 7:01 pm

    Peace process = ‘Return of the Zombies 6’.

  8. amigo
    amigo
    July 22, 2013, 8:22 pm

    We are Palestinians –we are tired of this sham–give us the vote.

    1S 1P 1V ,

    Give us equality.

  9. gingershot
    gingershot
    July 22, 2013, 8:37 pm

    Breaking News:

    Palestinians: Peace talks won’t resume without Israeli consent to basis of 1967 borders

    Looks like it’s OVER before this farce got off the ground

    Palestine Liberation Organization sources told Haaretz that they concluded that the delay indicated that Israel was not accepting the pre-talks draft agreed upon with the Palestinians. The outline stated that the underlying premise for the talks would be the establishment of a territorially contiguous Palestinian state on the basis of 1967 borders with territorial exchanges agreed upon by both sides.

    Abbas also said during the interview that Palestinians would vote on any future agreement with Israel, in a national referendum.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.537299

  10. southernobserver
    southernobserver
    July 22, 2013, 9:41 pm

    Anybody, please feel free to correct me. As best I can tell, these extremely generous offers amounted to “surrender unconditionally, admit that you were wrong to ever live in our awarded-by-god-country, and we will allow you to either leave now, or administer yourselves in disconnected prison cities until you leave anyway”. Oh and the cities may occupy 18% of the 22% you thought you had left, and you will pay for us to provide water, power, transport, spectra and customs and military enforcement. Oh, you can’t build a country from this? This just shows again that you are improvident and deserve what you did to yourselves 65 years ago.

    • Donald
      Donald
      July 23, 2013, 11:57 am

      “Anybody, please feel free to correct me.”

      No need to. That was another very good summary of the “peace process”, about as good as Ira’s in the original post. Maybe MW should hold a contest to see who can come up with the very best one paragraph or one sentence description.

  11. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    July 22, 2013, 9:50 pm

    The dance moves may have changed a little over time, but the tune still remains the same אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל. The apartheid state doesn’t seek peace, because it doesn’t want peace. Peace would mean the apartheid state’s entire raison d’être would evaporate instantly and countless military industries become redundant overnight. Peace is just another word to make war look good.

    What then, would be the difference between ‘them’ and ‘us?’

  12. RoHa
    RoHa
    July 22, 2013, 9:53 pm

    When all the deals – whatever they are – are done, Israel will still be surrounded by Arabs.

    • American
      American
      July 22, 2013, 11:03 pm

      ”When all the deals – whatever they are – are done, Israel will still be surrounded by Arabs.”……RoHa

      Very true…..they will always be swimming against the tide imo…..and besides all the currents in the ME, the whole world is in flux.

    • Erasmus
      Erasmus
      July 23, 2013, 4:50 am

      A POLICY THAT MAKES FRIENDS and friendly neighbouring countries
      Re Roha: When all the deals – whatever they are – are done, Israel will still be surrounded by Arabs.

      …by Arab neigbouring countries. Yes.

      And that is exactly why it is in Israel’s short-,medium and long-term interests to make a POLICY THAT MAKES FRIENDS. The solution of the I-P conflict is the very first step.

      Only After a just and fair peace treaty will have been concluded, the real peace process can start and in all probability will require at a minimum 3-4generations until normal neighbourly relations will have developed and taken root. And that requires a good portion of stamina and there ought to be no major glitches on the way.

      Or should Israelis believe that the loooong umbelical cord to the coffers and the good will of Europe and the USA will function as it did for an overdrawn 66 year pregnancy??
      Their coffers are (running) empty and there is ever less good will left considering the occupation, the abhorrent violations and utter disrespect of Human Rights on a daily basis and international law.

    • thankgodimatheist
      thankgodimatheist
      July 23, 2013, 7:41 am

      “When all the deals – whatever they are – are done, Israel will still be surrounded by Arabs.”
      Which highlights the non-organic nature of the “Jewish state”.

  13. Blank State
    Blank State
    July 22, 2013, 10:32 pm

    It doesn’t take a genious to realize that the Palestinians will be cast as the spoilers in this charade. Kerry, in collusion with the zionists, is engaging in an epic deception. This whole thing is a despicable scam, and the Palestinians will be betrayed, yet once more, by this fiction known as “the peace process”. I never did care much for Kerry, but this charade exposes him as worthy of my loathing, never mind mere dislike.

    And Obama is up to his neck in this puddle of crap as well. His goal??? To be perceived as the President that brokered a peace deal, that the ungrateful and intransagent Palestinians rejected. He offered success, and the Palestinians turned it into failure. One wonders what windows of opportunity this latest scam will provide to the Israelis. After all, doncha know, no deal is good enough for the Palestinians. So Israel, with the blessings of the United States, might just as well impose a “deal”, eh?

    • rastafaman1
      rastafaman1
      July 25, 2013, 4:58 pm

      I think everyone should stop speculating about what the offer will be, and about how the Palestinians will be forced to declined it, making them the bad guys all over again, we all know that are many chances for peace if the two sides finally agree to go for it.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        July 25, 2013, 9:05 pm

        I think you might want to get real rastafaman1, and ask yourself what chances there are for peace given the fact that Israel has made a Palestinian state an impossibility.

  14. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 22, 2013, 11:55 pm

    Ever seen Denis Ross and Martin Indyke in the same room?

  15. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 22, 2013, 11:56 pm

    Peace Process = Thieves’ Process.

  16. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 22, 2013, 11:56 pm

    God and America as israel’s real estate agents.

  17. gingershot
    gingershot
    July 22, 2013, 11:59 pm

    How dumb are the Palestinians?

    The US VETOES the Palestinian State at the UN, VETOES condemnation of illegal Israeli settlements based on it’s own stated (but phony) policy, and has aided and abetted Israel at every conceivable level in setting up the Apartheid state for decades.

    Any Palestinian engagement with the US in any ‘talks’ should be preconditioned on IMMEDIATE REVERSAL of the above positions. Otherwise – Palestine should take it’s chances at the ICC, with the new EU boycott, and watch the EU boycott turn into a worldwide boycott of the Apartheid One State.

    Kerry should be confronted with this above behavior and told to SHUT UP until it is rectified immediately – which certainly begs the question, WHY talk to Kerry at all? If the US gets out of the way – problem solved – and if Palestinian goes the ICC/BDS route – problem ALSO solved.

    Kerry is an vestigial appendix of the old Israeli/Israeli Lobby con game, and unfortunately an inflamed one

    Perhaps the question is how much is Abbas being paid to keep a straight face?

    The good news today is the Palestinians are NOT going to let Abbas get away with this this time.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      July 23, 2013, 2:18 am

      The US VETOES the Palestinian State at the UN

      The US demonstrated its inability to do that and hasn’t actually cast a vote on the Palestinian membership application. At this point, the only thing it can do is prevent the Palestinian State from becoming a party to the UN Charter. That really isn’t in the interest of either the US or the UN, since only members have a treaty obligation to accept and carrying out Security Council decisions, while any State can become a party to a plethora of other UN treaties or the Statute of the ICJ, & etc. That’s why the UN has always promoted universal membership.

    • Justpassingby
      Justpassingby
      July 23, 2013, 3:41 am

      Exactly. It seems PA have no interests in solving the conflict either. They are puppet to Israel/US.

      • Hostage
        Hostage
        July 23, 2013, 6:25 pm

        Exactly. It seems PA have no interests in solving the conflict either. They are puppet to Israel/US.

        Remember that the US has a statute that will defund any UN organ, including the Secretariat or Treaty Organization, if they confer rights normally reserved for member States on Palestine. It’s very unlikely Palestine would win any similar votes after the UNESCO debacle.

        The UN Secretary General, who would be legally obliged to accept Palestine as a full member of other specialized agencies or accept treaty instruments, publicly asked Palestine not to join anymore agencies or take anymore unilateral actions immediately after the UNESCO vote and defunding.

        That only left the path open for an upgrade to non-member state observer status, which was only the subject of draft US legislation.

  18. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 23, 2013, 12:28 am

    God and America as israel’s pro bono lawyers.

  19. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 23, 2013, 12:31 am

    God and America as israel’s eternal harem.

  20. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 23, 2013, 12:33 am

    God and America as israel’s gangbangers.

  21. Taxi
    Taxi
    July 23, 2013, 12:34 am

    God and America as israel’s Uday and Qusay.

  22. Jinjirrie
    Jinjirrie
    July 23, 2013, 1:42 am

    “Jew crew”? how is this bigoted language helpful? this sort of bigotry, along with the usual “let’s blame AIPAC and Israel” serves to conceal the very real impact of US ruling elite power in maintaining the status quo of Israel’s oppression of Palestinians.

  23. Mayhem
    Mayhem
    July 23, 2013, 4:21 am

    The temperature is rising, the Palestinians are very determined to squeeze as much blood out of the Israelis as possible.
    They fear the permanence of the Jewish Israelis that becomes more and more entrenched with time.
    The negativism exudes as the ramparts are erected by the Palestinian leaders who know they will be lynched if they surrender too much …

    This idea has been repeatedly rejected by Palestinian negotiators because they view it as an attempt to create a de facto permanent occupation that would only codify the status quo.

    Of course the conflict has to be perpetuated until the Jewish state disappears from the map – that is ultimately the only acceptable solution.
    And this weird notion that an American negotiator has to be fair and impartial when Israel is a very close friend of the United States and the Palestinians are just another potentially radical Islamic state on the horizon that will assuredly help spread the anti-progress malaise that is endemic to the Arab world.

    • Cliff
      Cliff
      July 23, 2013, 5:36 am

      Mayhem said:

      The temperature is rising, the Palestinians are very determined to squeeze as much blood out of the Israelis as possible.

      Hateful conspiratorial blood-libel bullshit.

      Of course the conflict has to be perpetuated until the Jewish state disappears from the map – that is ultimately the only acceptable solution.

      The only thing that’s been disappearing has been Palestine. Jewish colonies are expanding, not Palestinian towns and villages and cities.

      Palestinians and Bedouins are being driven off their homeland by Jews. Not the other way around.

      The reason this conflict exists is because Jews like you are pathologically narcissistic and sadistic.

    • talknic
      talknic
      July 24, 2013, 6:35 am

      Mayhem ” the Palestinians are very determined to squeeze as much blood out of the Israelis as possible”

      Despite the fact that the Palestinians only ask for their legal rights and it is Israel demanding more and more, more conditions and territory.

      But then Mayhem continues.. “the Palestinian leaders who know they will be lynched if they surrender too much “

      So what is it to be Mayhem, they’re squeezing Israelis or surrendering their legal rights?

      “Of course the conflict has to be perpetuated until the Jewish state disappears from the map – that is ultimately the only acceptable solution”

      Pity you haven’t read their offers to cede their own territory for peace http://pages.citebite.com/e9p5s8u2yhcd Of course, you can’t afford to admit to reading their offers and maintain your inane drivel

    • amigo
      amigo
      July 24, 2013, 6:46 am

      “The negativism exudes as the ramparts are erected by the Palestinian leaders who know they will be lynched if they surrender too much …” mhem

      You mean like Rabin.

      Must admit , “Netanyahu Square” has a certain ring to it.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        July 24, 2013, 1:32 pm

        Nice one Amigo,

        I forgot to mention Rabin. Like I said, these Hasbarats are masters of projection.

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      July 24, 2013, 8:30 am

      the Palestinians are very determined to squeeze as much blood out of the Israelis as possible.

      How do you squeeze blood out of a vampire Mayhem?

      They fear the permanence of the Jewish Israelis that becomes more and more entrenched with time.

      I doubt they fear it anymore Mayhem, so much as are resigned to it. They are not the ones pretending that a 2SS is still possible.

      Meanwhile, it’s the Israelis who fear the presence of refugees returning to their homes or a single state that they are themselves creating.

      The negativism exudes as the ramparts are erected by the Palestinian leaders who know they will be lynched if they surrender too much

      Talk about projection. It’s Bibbi who is struggling to keep his coalition together by promising Bennet that the 1967 borders are not even going to be mentioned.

      Of course the conflict has to be perpetuated until the Jewish state disappears from the map – that is ultimately the only acceptable solution

      More projection. It’s Israel that is spreading and expanding it’s borders, thereby making any possible Palestinian state disappears from the map.

      This is very revealing. What you Hasbrats actually fear is that the Palestinians might do to you what you have done to them.

      And this weird notion that an American negotiator has to be fair and impartial when Israel is a very close friend of the United States

      First of all, Israel is not a close friend of the United States, though the US is a close friend of Israel. But that aside, mediators are required by definition to be impartial and fair – not to act as Israel’s thugs or lawyers at the negotiating table.

    • annie
      annie
      July 24, 2013, 11:10 am

      The negativism exudes as the ramparts are erected

      is there a staff that comes up with these little poetic turd droppings or did you think this up all on your own?

      Palestinians are very determined to squeeze as much blood

      there’s an army of gatekeepers who send us hyperbolic emails if ever critics of israel were to use terms such as these. the justification being ‘there is a history of tropes/blood libel/antisemitism!’

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        July 24, 2013, 1:33 pm

        Superbly put Annie.

      • Mayhem
        Mayhem
        July 24, 2013, 9:12 pm

        The expression “to squeeze as much blood from the Israelis as possible” is equivalent to saying “to bleed Israel concession by concession until there is nothing left to concede”. What i have said is merely a metaphor for what is actually happening. To suggest this has anything to do with a blood libel is completely disingenuous and mischievous. We all know in what circles the peddling of real blood libels is popular.

  24. amigo
    amigo
    July 23, 2013, 6:58 am

    “The negativism exudes as the ramparts are erected by the Palestinian leaders who know they will be lynched if they surrender too much …”Mayhem (apt name)

    Well two can play that game.

    As peace process makes headlines once again, Israeli ministers are mounting the barricades ”

    http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/week-s-end/.premium-1.536772

    “And this weird notion that an American negotiator has to be fair and impartial when Israel is a very close friend of the United States and the Palestinians are just another potentially radical Islamic state on the horizon that will assuredly help spread the anti-progress malaise that is endemic to the Arab world.”mhem

    Only a twisted Ziobrain would stoop to such logic.

    As to being a very close friend of the US—Liberty/Pollard .With friends like Israel the US needs no enemies.

    Oh by the way, Ashton is working on Labeling illegal settlement products.Stay tuned , more mayhem in store for the Zionist entity.

    Catherine Ashton: Israeli settlement products to be labeled in EU by end of 2013

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.537315

    Enjoy the mayhem .I know I will.

    • Mayhem
      Mayhem
      July 24, 2013, 2:19 am

      No wonder we can’t have peace when we get this rhetoric from the Palestinian side:
      “Nobody can abandon the right of return – not Yassir Arafat, not (Hamas founder) Ahmed Yassin, and not Mahmoud Abbas,” Nashat Aqtash of Bir Zeit said. “If anyone does this he will be seen as a collaborator and killed the next day.” (refer http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/07/22/i-dont-think-theres-going-to-be-a-peace-deal-israelis-and-palestinians-doubt-kerrys-diplomacy-will-get-far/)
      There may be differences of opinion on the Israeli side, but at least they can wheel and deal within the framework of a Western style democracy; the other side however has no flexibility on policy, brought back repeatedly to the same old hardline position by a gaggle of fanatics who can’t think outside the box.

  25. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    July 23, 2013, 12:10 pm

    Dennis Ross ,B Clinton and the US MSM sure saddled the Palestinians with the “they were offered such a great deal” falsehoods.

    The only possible beginning is Israel stops all illegal settlement building, expansion. Not going to happen. Moving ever closer to one state, one person, one vote push becoming only option and Israel’s apartheid system being totally exposed

  26. American
    American
    July 23, 2013, 3:47 pm

    Score one for the US..if the SC doesnt reverse it.

    ‘U.S. court rules || Americans born in Jerusalem cannot list ‘Israel’ as place of birth’

    Ari and Naomi Zivotofsky, whose son Menachem was born in Jerusalem, filed a lawsuit in 2003 demanding enforcement of the 2002 law designed to allow U.S. citizens born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their birthplace.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.537530i

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      July 26, 2013, 10:45 pm

      Score one for the US..if the SC doesnt reverse it.

      The only new wrinkle about this case was the fact that it dealt with a law regarding entries on passports. The question as to whether or not the President has sole authority to recognize other states had long-since been answered by the Supreme Court. That appeared to be one of the reasons the Justices did not accept the lower court’s refusal to rule on the constitutionality of the law based upon the “Political Question” doctrine and sent it back to the lower court for a decision.

      §204 “Recognition and Maintaining Diplomatic Relations: Law of the United States”, in “The Restatement of the Law (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States” explains the common belief that under the Constitution of the United States the President has exclusive authority to recognize or not to recognize a foreign state or government and to recognize foreign sovereignty over territory. The President has the constitutional authority to conclude international agreements related to recognition without authorization from Congress or consent of the Senate. See United States v Belmont, 301, US 324, 57 S Ct. 758, 81 L.Ed. 1134 (1937); or §204 “Recognition and Maintaining Diplomatic Relations: Law of the United States”, Volume 1, page 89; and §303 Reporters Note 11 “Sole Executive Agreements”, Volume 1, page 167, in “The Restatement of the Law (Third) of the Foreign Relations Law of the United States”, American Law Institute, 1986, ISBN 0314301380.

  27. gingershot
    gingershot
    July 23, 2013, 11:38 pm

    Israel is treading a fine line between waiting for the original Palestinian keyholders, now in the Diaspora, to die off – VERSUS – facing a whole new fresh generation of Palestinians with radically different ideas than Abbas or his cronies of what they are going to be willing to accept as a fair settlement with the Israelis

    Amira Hass in today’s Haaretz explores this:

    After the Peace Talks Fail

    “A (Palestinian) generation has come of age that is in no hurry to reach an agreement with the Israelis, because the Israelis aren’t ready for a fair agreement.

    Initiatives are afoot to turn the Palestinian people – in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and the diaspora – into one deciding body. Ideas are being seriously discussed for methods of struggle outside negotiations. A generation has come of age that is in no hurry to reach an agreement with the Israelis, because the Israelis aren’t ready for a fair agreement. And when we, the Israelis, wake up and beg for an agreement, it might be too late.”

    Perhaps the core Israeli strategy of making sure the original claimants are all or mostly dead will backfire in an really unanticipated way – namely – that the ‘Abbas Generation’ of cronies will have died off AS WELL and the Israelis will have to deal with a far younger and far more sophisticated population who aren’t going to take any wooden nickels.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.537559

  28. anthonybellchambers
    anthonybellchambers
    July 24, 2013, 4:21 am

    Gaza International Airport and proposed security agreements within a two-state solution:

    1) The absence of any kind of Israeli army or security force beyond that which is needed for internal policing and security. The formation of an army with “planes, tanks, and other conventional heavy armour and weaponry” would be prohibited. Only weapons whose purpose is for internal security would be permitted.

    2) The Israeli state would be prohibited from forming military alliances with other nations or conducting joint military exercises. It would not be allowed to maintain any military forces or build any military structures outside its borders.

    3) Any sort of military infrastructure would be banned and the manufacture of dual-use components (though perhaps not intended for military use) would be prohibited.

    4) The Israeli police and security forces would have to engage in activities to prevent terrorism and smuggling of arms.

    5) The Israeli government would have to work to build a “culture of peace” and prevent interference in the state by radical extremists and opponents of peace.

    6) Effective control, supervision, and inspection along the borders of the Israeli state would be established.

    7) The Palestinian-Israeli airspace would be unified and controlled by the UN.

    8) The UN would control the electromagnetic spectrum to prevent disruption and jamming of military and civil communications.

    9) Palestine would retain the right to locate strategic sites and early-warning stations in the West Bank.

    10) Palestine would have the capability to deploy its troops against military and irregular forces infiltrating the Palestinian state.

    11) The Palestinian navy would have control of the seas and would have the ability to detain boats to prevent hostile activity and smuggling.

    12) The UN would maintain control of strategic high-ground areas overlooking the new Gaza International and Ben Gurion Airports.

    13) The UN would maintain the capability of stopping foreign armies and weaponry from crossing the Jordan River into the Palestinian state.

    14) The Israeli state would be allowed to possess only explicitly permitted weapons and capabilities, rather than not possessing weapons that were specifically prohibited.

    15) Palestinian and Israeli forces would have to share intelligence to prevent terrorism in either state.

    16) An effective supervision and verification system would be created to ensure that the Israeli state remains demilitarized and, in particular, that all its nuclear weapons are declared to the IAEA to be neutralised and handed over to the UN within six months of the two-state solution being implemented and the election of the independent sovereign state of Palestine to full membership of the United Nations.
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  29. Hostage
    Hostage
    July 24, 2013, 4:47 am

    I honestly don’t think that the Palestinians intend to resume talks. They are still talking about preconditions and are probably just hoping to get some prisoners released before they go to the ICJ (through the General Assembly in September) and the ICC over the construction or road 9 and other more urgent issues:

    Road 9 Will Destroy Two-State Solution, says Ministry of Foreign Affairs

    RAMALLAH, July 22, 2013 (WAFA) – The Ministry of Foreign Affairs Monday said that the establishment of ‘Road 9’ will destroy the two-state solution and prevent the establishment of a viable and contiguous Palestinian state.

    The ministry condemned, in a press release, the new Israeli plan to build a road network which will connect illegal settlements in the West Bank with Israel.

    The ministry considered such decision to be a declaration on the Israeli sovereignty in the West Bank and a confiscation of thousands of dunums that belong to Palestinians.

    It held the Israeli government responsible for the repercussions of such plan especially its effects on the resumption of negotiations.

    The Ministry called on all countries to immediately intervene and stop this project, take measures to ensure not implementing it and provide legal assistance to review these crimes at the specialized courts.

    http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=22860

    I don’t think that red line issues like that can wait 6 months or a year.

  30. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    July 24, 2013, 6:05 am

    Read this letter from a settler:
    What I ask for is not support, I ask for understanding
    http://lettersfromisrael.com/2013/02/20/michael-22/
    At the end, he writes: “I believe that all humans are born equal and I know that I have no other place to live but here and that is why I will protect myself in any way needed, even if it means to build walls and have check points with soldiers standing in them. We have no choice. This is our home and we love it.”

  31. Citizen
    Citizen
    July 24, 2013, 7:37 am

    Latest Kerry move apropos his generous offer to Israel simply to cox them towards the peace talk table: Getting the EU to label Hezbollah’s militant wing a terrorist organization:
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/23/livni-squeals-kerry-deals-and-the-eu-picks-up-the-tab/

    • Taxi
      Taxi
      July 24, 2013, 11:41 am

      From my post, a coupla days ago:

      “… Not even yesterday’s news that the EU will now put Hizbollah’s military wing on it’s terrorist list will make a difference: “ink on paper”, was the hizb’s response. And the timing of this announcement? It was all Kerry’s doing, to help push israelis to the negotiating table with Abbas – part and parcel of the EU giving the sweet to israel after giving it the vinegar several days previous (settlement boycott).”
      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/07/obama-confidante-says-iran-would-not-use-nuke-against-israel-but-i-still-think-he-will-pull-the-trigger.html#comment-579381

      Cool to hear more on this issue from Counterpunch. Thanks for the link.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        July 27, 2013, 11:09 am

        @ Taxi
        I forget at what web site, but I read Israel has already reacted to the EU boycott of Israeli companies profiting from the OT by cutting off EU enterprise and/or humanitarian efforts helping the Palestinians; if memory serves, the Belgians were especially singled out.

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