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Rightwing Zionists are fighting over whether there should be a Palestinian state. The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) is for no Palestinian state at all. The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and American Jewish Committee (AJC) are calling urgently for some kind of Palestinian state so that the Jewish state is preserved.

This has unfolded over the last couple weeks. The American Jewish Committee position is not so different from liberal Zionist group J Street’s:

“We can only hope that Secretary of State John Kerry’s urgent call for courageous leadership is heeded, and the Palestinians, missing from the peace table for the past four years, will return in good faith to hammer out the tough issues successfully with their Israeli counterparts,” [AJC’s David] Harris said…. “[W]e believe a two-state deal is the best possible outcome to strive for.”

On June 24, ZOA said the ADL was “stifling debate” by “suppressing opposition to a Palestinian state.”

Abe Foxman of the ADL has called for separation now, separation tomorrow, separation forever:

Separation from the Palestinians and maintaining a strong Jewish majority in Israel are the most important elements necessary for Israel’s future well-being.

Rejection of a Palestinian state – and with it advocating for the expansion of Israeli settlements on the West Bank – will assure a bi-national state, one which will either be democratic but without a strong Jewish majority or one which will be undemocratic in not giving Palestinians equal rights. Either solution (as well as thoughts by some of transferring Palestinians out of Israel) would be a disaster for the country.

Morton Klein of the ZOA says that most American Jews are on his side, no to a Palestinian state:

The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) is troubled by the Anti-Defamation League’s (ADL) Abe Foxman for suppressing opposition to a Palestinian state, by alleging that opposing a Palestinian state will “add fuel to the fire” of “anti-Israel delegitimization and boycott campaigns,” and “would have destructive effects internationally.” …

 Defense Minister and former Chief of the Israel Defense Forces General Moshe Ya’alon strongly disagrees with ADL’s Abe Foxman.  Ya’alon stated several months ago that he “ruled out the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state alongside Israel,” (Jerusalem Post, 12-1-13 “Ya’alon Spoke Against Founding of Palestinian State”).  Also, Minister Ya’alon has given a speech to the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations and a speech at the AIPAC Conference publicly opposing a Palestinian state. Defense Minister Ya’alon also disagrees with Foxman claiming Abbas is a peace partner who is different from Hamas when Ya’alon said, “There are those who are trying to market Abbas as relatively moderate, but his goals are the same as those of Hamas.  He does not believe in an agreement based on pre-1967 lines and he is refusing to come to the negotiating table.” …

Before Israel started talking of accepting a Palestinian state, there was no significant  boycott movement, criticism was softer and Israel was not looking so isolated. That changed when this Palestinian state movement took off.

 Remember during the early years of the Oslo Accords, which did not specify or include establishing a Palestinian state, most Israeli leaders opposed a state….

 We also need to understand that a sovereign state doesn’t necessarily create a civil and peace-loving society – it only strengthens the ability of the underlying culture to promote their agenda.  In this case, it’s a horrible agenda. Iran, Libya, North Korea, Afghanistan and Syria are sovereign states.  Are they lovely and peaceful?..

All of these points make it clear that those who oppose a Palestinian state have at least as legitimate a position as those who support it…. The last thing in the world Israel needs is another anti-Israel terrorist dictatorship on its longest border.  No wonder far less than half of the American Jews and non-Jews support such a state, despite the US and international media’s constant promotion of a Palestinian state.

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  1. annie
    annie
    July 6, 2013, 12:25 pm

    zoa’s morton klien:

    Before Israel started talking of accepting a Palestinian state, there was no significant boycott movement, criticism was softer and Israel was not looking so isolated. That changed when this Palestinian state movement took off.

    i can’t stop laughing! it’s those 2 stater’s fault bds even exists! otherwise, those uppity palestinians wouldn’t have ever gotten their hopes up!

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 6, 2013, 4:47 pm

      Yep. ZOA is a joke, too bad it’s an evil-hearted joke and has supporters.

  2. American
    American
    July 6, 2013, 12:37 pm

    We dont even need to write our own stuff on Israel, we can just change a few words and use theirs.

    “”We also need to understand that a sovereign state doesn’t necessarily create a civil and peace-loving society – it only strengthens the ability of the underlying culture to promote their agenda. In this case, it’s a horrible agenda. Israel is a sovereign states. Is it lovely and peaceful?..

    All of these points make it clear that those who oppose Zionist Israel have at least as legitimate a position as those who support it…. The last thing the world needs is a Israel terrorist dictatorship in the ME. No wonder far less than half of the Americans support such a state, despite the Zionist and US media’s constant promotion of a Jewish State.”

  3. seafoid
    seafoid
    July 6, 2013, 12:53 pm

    “The last thing in the world Israel needs is another anti-Israel terrorist dictatorship on its longest border. ”

    This is how catastrophes happen. Elites think they understand dynamics.
    Israel needs YESHA like it needs a hole in the head.

    • ramzijaber
      ramzijaber
      July 6, 2013, 1:48 pm

      Ben Gurion, who advocated and led the destruction and razing of almost 500 Palestinian villages and towns and the deportation of Palestinians, had a change of heart after the 6-day “war” where he strongly and angrily admonished the Labor Party at a celebration meeting around the end of June 1967 that keeping the West Bank wold be a historic disaster.

      • W.Jones
        W.Jones
        July 6, 2013, 5:14 pm

        Ramzi,

        That can make sense. He did not want to deal with a significant subject Arab population, so they were expelled. In taking over the West Bank his government has to deal with the same type of issue. So he was unhappy with this.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        July 7, 2013, 2:33 am

        It was so stupid. But they couldn’t help themselves. And Zionism is all about making your own reality…

      • jon s
        jon s
        July 7, 2013, 4:29 pm

        Ramzi, the Labor Party didn’t exist in 1967, it was founded in 1968, and Ben Gurion refused to join it.
        I doubt that BG had a change of heart . Being against holding on to the West Bank in ’67 doesn’t imply that he regretted what was done in ’48.

  4. Sibiriak
    Sibiriak
    July 6, 2013, 1:03 pm

    The Zionist debate is not about two states or not, it’s about whether they should continue pretending Israel might negotiate a 2SS, or whether they should finally end the charade.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 6, 2013, 4:55 pm

      Not a real issue since US will not use its powerful leverage against Israel, only against the Palestinians.

  5. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    July 6, 2013, 1:46 pm

    LOL. Who cares what zionists say!!!!

    Occasionally, I re-read books that I read years before.i do that not only because I forget more as I advance in age but because these books capture ideas and opinions that are frozen in time. I find it very illuminating to check these ideas and opinions under different circumstances and future situations.

    One such book that I advise all zionists, whether they are on the right on the left or wherever they are, to read is Rabbi’s Arthur Hertzberg’s book “The Fate of Zionism, A Secular Future for Israel and Palestine” (2003). While I agree with some of what the esteemed Rabbi says and disagree with other things, I quote this from the first chapter:

    “After the Six-Day War many zionists believed that this great victory was proof that God was on their side. They were all the more certain that they were special people and living at a special time because the Jews now had more power than they had ever before possessed. The favor of God and their own military strength guaranteed their future. But these notions were and remain a delusion. Modern Zionism can succeed today only if it emphasizes its largely secular origins. It dare not walk down the path of religious certainty or the arrogance of power.”

    Now ponder where the zionist regime and the zionist movement are today…………

    • yourstruly
      yourstruly
      July 6, 2013, 4:28 pm

      I remember well those post-1967 war days, the racist jokes about arab inferiority and jewish supremacy, an attitude which continues to this day. indeed, it was this surge of racism that led me to recognize the inherently racist nature of the zionist entity israel and open my eyes to the plight of the palestinian people.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      July 7, 2013, 4:14 am

      “I find it very illuminating to check these ideas and opinions under different circumstances and future situations.”

      Me too . And especially something as obviously debased and immoral as the YESHA project that needs cover – how did the Zionists think it would be acceptable forever?

      Crises of legitimacy like the one Israel is experiencing don’t happen overnight and it’s so interesting to see how they develop.

  6. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    July 6, 2013, 1:58 pm

    RE: “There are those who are trying to market Abbas as relatively moderate, but his goals are the same as those of Hamas. He does not believe in an agreement based on pre-1967 lines and he is refusing to come to the negotiating table.” ~ Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon

    MY COMMENT: Brainwashed much?!?!*

    * SEE: “Israel’s Weird Elections”, by Uri Avnery, Counterpunch, 1/04/13:

    [EXCERPTS] . . . The Israeli media are already to a large extent neutralized, a creeping process not unsimilar to what the Germans used to call Gleichschaltung. [SEE: Gleichschaltung @ Wikipedia – J.L.D. ]
    All three TV channels are more or less bankrupt and dependent on government handouts. Their editors are practically government appointees. The printed press is also teetering on the brink of bankruptcy, except the largest “news” paper, which belongs to Sheldon Adelson and is a Netanyahu propaganda sheet, distributed gratis.
    [Naftali] Bennett repeats the ridiculous assertion that almost all journalists are left-wingers (meaning traitors.) He promises to put an end to this intolerable situation. . .
    . . . In the coming four years, the official annexation of the West Bank to Israel may become a fact. . .
    . . . If the government continues on its present course, this will lead to certain disaster – the entire country between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River will become one unit under Israeli rule. This Greater Israel will contain an Arab majority and a shrinking Jewish minority, turning it inevitably into an apartheid state, plagued by a permanent civil war and shunned by the world.
    If pressure from without and within eventually compels the government to grant civil rights to the Arab majority, the country will turn into an Arab state. 134 years of Zionist endeavor will come to naught, a repetition of the Crusaders’ kingdom.
    This is so obvious, so inevitable, that one needs an iron will not to think about it. It seems that all major parties in these elections have this will. Speaking about peace, they believe, is poison. Giving back the West Bank and East Jerusalem for peace? God forbid even thinking about it.
    The weird fact is that this week two respected polls – independent of each other – came to the same conclusion: the great majority of Israeli voters favors the “two-state solution”
    , the creation of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders and the partition of Jerusalem. This majority includes the majority of Likud voters, and even about half of Bennett’s adherents.
    How come? The explanation lies in the next question: How many voters believe that this solution is possible? The answer: almost nobody. Over dozens of years, Israelis have been brainwashed into believing that “the Arabs” don’t want peace. If they say they do, they are lying.
    If peace is impossible, why think about it? Why even mention it in the election campaign? Why not go back 44 years to Golda Meir’s days and pretend that the Palestinians don’t exist? (“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people…It is not as though there was a Palestinian people and we came and threw them out and took their country away. They did not exist.” – Golda Meir, June 13, 1969) . . .

    ENTIRE COMMENTARY – http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/01/04/israels-weird-elections/

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      July 6, 2013, 2:00 pm

      P.S. ALSO SEE – “Israelis afflictions: instilled memory and paranoia vera” ~ By Uri Avnery, .gush-shalom.org, 7/10/11
      Uri Avnery considers the psychological disorders underlying Israel’s response to criticism and peaceful protest, most recently manifested in its over-reaction to the humanitarian flotilla to Gaza, and the Israeli publics generally docile acceptance of what their government and media tell them.

      [EXCERPTS] I saw on TV the results of a scientific investigation by Israeli researchers into “instilled memory”. Their experiments show that people who have seen something with their own eyes, but are told by everybody else that they have seen something else, start to suppress their own memory and “remember” that they saw what the others had allegedly seen. Neurological research then showed that this is can actually be seen happening in the brain: the imagined memory replaces the real. Social pressure has done its work: the instilled memory has become real memory.
      I believe that this is even truer for an entire nation, which is, of course, composed of individuals. I have seen this many times. . .
      . . . There is a mental disorder called “paranoia vera”. Patients adopt a crazy assumption – e.g. “everybody hates me” – and then build an elaborate structure around it. Every bit of information which seems to support it is eagerly absorbed, every item that contradicts it is suppressed. Everything is interpreted so as to reinforce the initial assumption. The pattern is strictly logical – indeed, the more complete and the more logical the structure, the more serious is the disease.
      Among the accompanying symptoms are belligerent behavior, recurrent suspicions, disconnection from the real world, conspiracy theories and narcissism.
      It seems that whole nations can fall victim to this illness. Ours certainly appears to have.
      The whole world is against us. Everybody is out to destroy us. Every move is a threat to our very existence. Everyone critical of Israeli policy is an anti-Semite or self-hating Jew. . .

      SOURCE – http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1310296614/

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      July 6, 2013, 2:14 pm

      P.P.S. ALSO RE: “There are those who are trying to market Abbas as relatively moderate, but his goals are the same as those of Hamas. He does not believe in an agreement based on pre-1967 lines and he is refusing to come to the negotiating table.” ~ Moshe “Bogie” Ya’alon

      SPEAKING OF SOMEONE NOT BEING A MODERATE, SEE:

      “Bogie Yaalon’s Excellent Adventure with Feiglin, Kahane Kids”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 8/17/09
      LINK – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/08/17/bogie-yaalons-excellent-adventure-with-feiglin-and-the-kahane-kids/

      “Yaalon Looks to Fascist Right for Support in Likud Leadership Struggle”, by Richard Silverstein, Tikun Olam, 8/20/09
      LINK – http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2009/08/20/yaalon-looks-to-fascist-right-for-support-in-likud-leadership-struggle/

  7. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    July 6, 2013, 4:07 pm

    RE: “Morton Klein of the ZOA says that most American Jews are on his side, no to a Palestinian state . . .” ~ Weiss

    MY COMMENT: Personally, I consider the ZOA (Zionist Organization of America) to be a subversive organization. Subversive to both the U.S., and to Israel!

  8. Nevada Ned
    Nevada Ned
    July 6, 2013, 5:26 pm

    Suppose that the US were run in the way that Israel is run.

    Abe Foxman says (about Israel)…

    Separation from the Palestinians and maintaining a strong Jewish majority in Israel are the most important elements necessary for Israel’s future well-being.

    And suppose that I say (about the US)…

    Separation (of WASPS) from the Jews and maintaining a strong white Christian majority in the US are the most important elements necessary for the US’s future well-being.

    Abe Foxman says…

    Rejection of a Palestinian state – and with it advocating for the expansion of Israeli settlements on the West Bank – will assure a bi-national state, one which will either be democratic but without a strong Jewish majority or one which will be undemocratic in not giving Palestinians equal rights. Either solution (as well as thoughts by some of transferring Palestinians out of Israel) would be a disaster for the country.

    And suppose that I say…
    Rejection of a Jewish state (in, say, South Dakota)…will assure (that the US becomes) a bi-national (Jews and Christians) state, one which will either be democratic but without a strong white Christian majority, or one which will be undemocratic in not giving Jews equal eights. Either solution (as well as thoughts by some of transferring Jews out of the US) would be a disaster for the US.

    See what this sounds like!!??

    Just for the record: This is satire. I am not in favor of having the US run the way Israel is run. This is satire.

  9. Hostage
    Hostage
    July 6, 2013, 7:01 pm

    All of these points make it clear that those who oppose a Palestinian state have at least as legitimate a position as those who support it….

    LOL! Except that illegitimate framing wasted 400 words erecting a very pitiful straw man.

    The ZOA must have forgotten that it was the Jewish Agency and Zionist Congress that insisted on partitioning Palestine into two states and that the UN forced the PLO into accepting the 2ss as a compromise to the 1ss.

    The ZOA has deliberately ignored the fact that the International Court of Justice advised in 2004 that Israel was violating international law by illegally interfering with the exercise of the Palestinian right of self-determination. A Jewish Justice, Rosalyn Cohen Higgins wrote part of that decision:

    This is not difficult – from Security Council resolution 242 (1967) through to Security Council resolution 1515 (2003), the key underlying requirements have remained the same – that Israel is entitled to exist, to be recognized, and to security, and that the Palestinian people are entitled to their territory, to exercise self-determination, and to have their own State.

    She also pointed out that it was self-evident that Israel was violating international law and that an illegal situation like that is not to be recognized or assisted by third parties (including the ZOA).

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      July 7, 2013, 12:34 am

      Surely the ZOA knows what Higgins pointed out, yet it obviously denies such reality. I don’t understand how responsible people feel justified in doing so. How can one sleep at night knowing he/she does such? I surmise reality does not mean anything if it does not fit one’s goal. The emperor’s new clothes?

      Sinéad O’Connor’s 1990 song ends with the lines, “through their own words / they will be exposed / they’ve got a severe case of / the emperor’s new clothes.”

      I guess that makes Hostage the child with eyes.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      July 7, 2013, 4:15 am

      “All of these points make it clear that those who oppose a Palestinian state have at least as legitimate a position as those who support it….”

      ie self determination for Palestinians can only be decided by Zionists.

    • amjabara@aol.com
      [email protected]
      July 7, 2013, 4:29 pm

      Thanks for this. International Law is on the side of Palestinians. Lets use it more.

  10. just
    just
    July 6, 2013, 7:17 pm

    I’m going to have to agree with those that are “laughing” here.

    History has happened, the present is what it is, and the future is 1S1P1V.

    The Zionists waited too long to do anything honest or positive. They only have themselves to blame. Let them argue amongst themselves– I’ll make some tea and toast with honey.

  11. eljay
    eljay
    July 7, 2013, 12:51 am

    >> The last thing in the world Israel needs is another anti-Israel terrorist dictatorship on its longest border.

    The last thing the world needs is another oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state, born of terrorism and ethnic cleansing, and expanded and maintained by means of a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder.

  12. ckg
    ckg
    July 7, 2013, 7:54 am

    Apartheid vs Bantustans.

  13. Katie Miranda
    Katie Miranda
    July 7, 2013, 11:02 am

    Morton Klein:

    Iran, Libya, North Korea, Afghanistan and Syria are sovereign states. Are they lovely and peaceful?..

    Is he implying that Israel is lovely and peaceful ?

    • James Canning
      James Canning
      July 7, 2013, 1:31 pm

      @Katie Miranda – – To what extent is the current appalling civil war in Syria attrubutable to Israel lobby in the US?

      G W Bush failed to pressure Israel to accept Syria’s offer of peace in 2008.

      Sanctions against Syria contributed to lack of economic growth, growing poverty of new immigrants to Syrian cities, etc etc.

  14. James Canning
    James Canning
    July 7, 2013, 1:28 pm

    Morton Klein apparently wants endless war in the Middle East.

  15. James Canning
    James Canning
    July 7, 2013, 1:36 pm

    Just last week, Morton Klein accused Iran of waging “war against Israel’s existence”.
    Total rubbish.

    Iran has given signals over the years it will accept Israel within its “1967” borders, if the Palestinians accept this outcome.

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