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Netanyahu has some crust. This is how he began his remarks today in Jerusalem before going behind closed doors with the U.S. Secretary of State: throwing cold water all over John Kerry by saying that the Palestinians are no partners for peace because “instead of preparing Palestinians for peace, Palestinian leaders are teaching them to hate Israel.”

Welcome back to Jerusalem, John. I want to use this opportunity to express once again my personal appreciation and the appreciation of the people of Israel for your unremitting personal efforts to advance peace between us and the Palestinians. I know that you’re committed to peace, I know that I’m committed to peace, but unfortunately, given the actions and words of Palestinian leaders, there’s growing doubt in Israel that the Palestinians are committed to peace.

A few days ago in Ramallah, President Abbas embraced terrorists as heroes. To glorify the murders of innocent women and men as heroes is an outrage. How can President Abbas says – how can he say that he stands against terrorism when he embraces the perpetrators of terrorism and glorifies them as heroes? He can’t stand against terrorists and stand with the terrorists. And I’m wondering what a young Palestinian would think when he sees the leader of the Palestinian people embrace people who axed innocent men and women – axed their heads or blew them up or riddled them with bullets – what’s a young Palestinian supposed to think about the future? What’s he supposed to think about what he should do vis-a-vis Israelis and vis-a-vis the state of Israel? So it’s not surprising that in recent weeks Israel has been subjected to a growing wave of terrorist attacks. President Abbas didn’t see fit to condemn these attacks, even after we learned that at least in one case – I stress, at least in one case – those who served and are serving in the Palestinian security forces took part in them.

In the six months since the start of peace negotiations, the Palestinian Authority continues its unabated incitement against the state of Israel. This Palestinian Government incitement is rampant. You see it in the state-controlled media – the government-controlled media – in the schools, in textbooks, in kindergartens. You see it at every part of Palestinian society. So instead of preparing Palestinians for peace, Palestinian leaders are teaching them to hate Israel. This is not the way to achieve peace. President Abbas must lead his people away from terror and incitement, towards reconciliation and peace.

John, the people of Israel and I are prepared to make such an historic peace, but we must have a Palestinian partner who’s equally prepared to make this peace. Peace means ending incitement; it means fighting terrorism and condemning terrorism; it means recognizing Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people; it means meeting Israel’s security needs; and it means being prepared to truly end the conflict once and for all. If we’re to succeed in our joint effort, President Abbas must reject terror and embrace peace. I hope he doesn’t miss again the opportunity to give Israelis and Palestinians a better future.

State Dep't photo of today's meeting

State Dep’t photo of today’s meeting

Kerry turned the other cheek; he began by thanking Netanyahu for his welcome and his “hospitality.”

Thank you, sir. Thank you, Bibi. Thank you. Well, thank you very much Mr. Prime Minister, my friend Bibi…..

It is always a great pleasure for me to be back in Jerusalem. When I arrived at the hotel and I looked out, the sun was shining brightly on the walls of the great Old City, and it’s always a privilege to be able to see that site and to think of all of the history that is wrapped up for so many different people, and particularly, obviously, for Israelis today witnessing the difficulties that the prime minister has just referred to, and dealing with the possibilities of peace, but a possibility of peace that is always challenged by day-to-day contradictions and day-to-day realities.

I’m particularly grateful to Bibi for his hospitality. He always makes significant time available to me when I come here.

Ira Glunts adds:

Who else but an Israeli could get away with this?

One substantive point I took from Kerry’s remarks is that the immediate goal of the talks have changed from getting the parties to sign a “framework agreement” to getting the parties to accept an “agreed framework.” I am guessing that the critical difference is that the later unlike the former would not be signed and would not be binding on either side.

The change in the framework proposal could just be one more sign that Kerry’s negotiations are running aground and that an agreed upon framework could just be a way to avoid admitting a failure to get the signed framework agreement and to keep the process alive at least until they can come up with a more graceful exit.

From Kerry’s remarks today:

Now, I want to emphasize that the discussion of an agreed framework has emerged from the ideas that both parties have put on the table. My role is not to impose American ideas on either side but to facilitate the parties’ own efforts. An agreed framework would clarify and bridge the gaps between the parties so that they can move towards a final peace treaty that would resolve all of those core issues.

Martin Indyk from earlier comments today at State:

I don’t imagine that we’re going to have a signing ceremony for this. This is a framework – an agreed framework, not an agreement that – a signed agreement…

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    January 2, 2014, 9:04 pm

    Praise of terrorists. Terrible!

    Oh, but, but, sputter, (Israeli PMs) Begin, Shamir, Sharon — called terrorists (perhaps even by Ben Gurion, certainly Begin and Shamir by Britain, Sharon for many things but especially Sabra and Shatilla. Does Israel praise its own terrorists, but deny Palestinians the right to praise their own?

    • Philip Munger
      Philip Munger
      January 2, 2014, 9:08 pm

      Does Israel praise its own terrorists, but deny Palestinians the right to praise their own?

      — incessantly

      • Stephen Shenfield
        Stephen Shenfield
        January 3, 2014, 7:54 am

        I am a freedom fighter, you are an insurgent, he is a terrorist.

    • amigo
      amigo
      January 3, 2014, 6:24 am

      “Does Israel praise its own terrorists, but deny Palestinians the right to praise their own?”

      Google “Lehi Ribbon of Honor”.

      New Years greetings to you pablemont.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      January 3, 2014, 11:46 am

      So much so that this blatant hypocrisy has been “normalized” for decades

  2. Philip Munger
    Philip Munger
    January 2, 2014, 9:06 pm

    In his first essay of 2014 at antiwar.com, Justin Raimondo links to a very lengthy interview with former Ambassador Michael Oren, by David Horovitz, for The Times of Israel:

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2013/12/31/the-big-issue-of-2014-iran/

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-doesnt-take-obamas-military-option-seriously-says-oren/?utm_source=The+Times+of+Israel+Daily+Edition&utm_campaign=8c0b014f75-2013_12_30&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_adb46cec92-8c0b014f75-54413929

    The interview was so anti-American, it appalled Laura Rozen:

    Contempt expressed for US in this interview by interviewer & interviewee striking

    Raimondo writes:

    In tweeting this interview in the Times of Israel with former Israeli ambassador to the US Michael Oren, foreign policy maven Laura Rozen notes the “contempt expressed for [the] US in this interview by interviewer & interviewee [is] striking.” The contempt comes through more on the part of the interviewer, although Oren joins in bashing the administration’s alleged lack of “competence” in negotiating with Tehran. More importantly, Oren seems to recognize that there are “structural” – as he puts it – differences between the US and Israel, i.e. a belated recognition of the fact that Israel and the US are two different countries with different interests after all. Says Oren:

    “You have to acknowledge that there is an American public out there, whose opinion is not always heard here because all you see are American leaders. You don’t often see the American public. We learned from the Syrian episode last summer (when Obama pulled back from a threatened punitive strike after the Assad regime’s use of chemical weapons) that that public can be pivotal in decision-making.”

    Aha! The public! The forgotten factor in American foreign policy decision-making is – finally! – making a comeback. That’s good news for those of us in the US who want a more peaceful, less confrontational US policy in the Middle East and around the world – and decidedly bad news for the Israeli far-right government that has as its Foreign Minister a man who once threatened to bomb the Aswan dam.

    Please read the interview with Oren. They really seem to hate what America stands for at our best and most democratic.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      January 2, 2014, 10:19 pm

      Thanks Philip, wanted to catch up to that one. Helpful…

      • Philip Munger
        Philip Munger
        January 2, 2014, 11:22 pm

        It’s sort of a weird interview.

      • Krauss
        Krauss
        January 3, 2014, 2:16 am

        Thanks for linking it, Philip! I missed that one.

        It was actually a relatively substantative interview, one of the most substance-oriented interviews I’ve read on the subject, he goes into the specifics.

        But yes, the entire interview is all about contempt for America. Yet it is funny, because it also reveals how powerless Israel really is without the protection of its patron. You hear all these drums of war, Netanyahu beating his chest saying “Israel will not be bound by any agreement” etc but deep down they all know it depends on America.

        And it is also revealing what more and more Americans understand to be true:
        That the biggest warmongers are perfectly aligned with the Israel Lobby, from an American perspective.

        Their rage should be seen as a measure of their increasing powerlessness to influence American public opinion to blindly serve Israel’s interests.

        This is what change looks like, and it is glorious.

    • American
      American
      January 2, 2014, 11:14 pm

      @Philip Munger

      They have always hated us. …it has been, if not obvious to the casual observer or reader, there between the lines for anyone who has really looked and listened.
      So I am not shocked by this interview at all.
      The only reason Israel, AIPAC and the US zionist are still standing is because the US press and media have concealed their true face from the US public.

    • flyod
      flyod
      January 3, 2014, 8:45 am

      “All I can say is that we have the capability and ability to defend ourselves”
      Oren is threatening Iran with a nuclear strike

  3. Blownaway
    Blownaway
    January 2, 2014, 10:06 pm

    The single greatest contributing factor to the decline of America’s standing in the world is when other countries are watching while his friend”Bibi” insults the President and the people of the United States. He starts by lecturing Kerry and all Kerry can do is shower “his freind Bibi” with accolades for giving him time to meet. How humiliating

  4. Hostage
    Hostage
    January 3, 2014, 12:30 am

    Martin Indyk from earlier comments today at State:

    I don’t imagine that we’re going to have a signing ceremony for this. This is a framework – an agreed framework, not an agreement that – a signed agreement…

    Rolling back the Quartet Road Map terms of reference and the Mitchell report from a Security Council decision contained in resolution 1515 – that all member states are required to accept and carry-out under the terms of Article 24 and 25 of the UN Charter – and downgrading it into a non-binding or agreed framework is exactly where we were when the curtain came down on Gorge Mitchell’s abortive attempts to have the two sides negotiate a settlement without any rules.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      January 3, 2014, 11:30 am

      No signing ceremony, a framework, not an agreement.
      More “structural” falderal.

      Sent by a friend
      http://timeswarp.org/
      “About TimesWarp

      The seed that grew into TimesWarp was planted the day I read the New York Times coverage of the Israeli assault on Gaza on Nov. 14, 2012. There was a story behind this assault, but the Times didn’t tell it. It told the Israeli excuse for the assault instead, and the entire mainstream media in the United States went along with it.

      The excuse, of course, was that Israel was forced to defend itself against unprovoked rocket attacks. The story was rather different: For years Israel had been invading Gaza at will, destroying farmland, crops, buildings and wells; it had bombed and shelled and fired into the strip, killing farmers, fishermen and Hamas officials—at times exchanging fire with defense forces in the strip and sometimes provoking rocket fire into Israel.

      Less than a week before the 2012 assault, on Nov. 8, Israel had broken a period of calm by invading Gaza and killing a 12-year-old boy. The next three days, Israeli forces killed five more residents of Gaza, including two teenagers in a soccer field and two mourners at a funeral. Dozens were wounded. The missiles Gaza militants sent in response left four civilians and four Israeli soldiers wounded.”

  5. Justpassingby
    Justpassingby
    January 3, 2014, 3:46 am

    Kerry is no friend of peace and he wont pressure Israel to make peace.
    ICC is the only solution now.

    • Kathleen
      Kathleen
      January 3, 2014, 11:31 am

      getting closer and closer. Abbas seems to be going along with the charade for now.

  6. Citizen
    Citizen
    January 3, 2014, 7:22 am

    Recall when Bibi N was secretly recorded telling his people not to worry about America, because he knew America and it’s “easily moved”? Seems when, alone, the American peasants rose up to nix an attack on Syria, it shocked those relevant PTB folks nearly everywhere, most immediately, in USA, Israel, and Saudi Arabia. I agree with American here: “The only reason Israel, AIPAC and the US zionist are still standing is because the US press and media have concealed their true face from the US public.”

    Behind America’s conclusion lies, of course, the US campaign finance system. The good news there is a few congress critters are actually trying to change that system, although there’s even more substantial hard work going on in lobby reform in Britain.

    And we have that National Summit coming up shortly to reassess US-Israel “special relationship.” Will it even be mentioned by the US mainstream media?
    The NYT put out its editorial recommending how and why Snowden deserves
    clemency or at least a cushy minor slap for breaking his contract with silence for the greater good of American peasants and those the world over. That is, support for Snowden reached a tipping point in the editorial board meetings. What would it take for the NYT to each such a tipping point re “the special relationship?”

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 3, 2014, 7:57 am

      MJ Rosenberg speaking

      “In 1983 or thereabouts, during my four year stint at AIPAC, the powerful organisation that is the main component of the pro-Israel lobby, I asked Tom Dine, its executive director, if a president of the United States could ever successfully challenge Israel’s behaviour even in cases when US national security interests were clearly at stake.

      How, I asked Dine, could the United States ever get Israel to actually yield occupied territory if it became clear that the Arabs were ready for peace, as in fact became the case after the 1993 Oslo agreement between Israel and the PLO?
      Dine responded that although he hoped the day would come when Israeli leaders (and hence the lobby) would be ready for “compromise”, he did not think a president could make Israel do anything it didn’t want to do given the power of the organisation he led and “our friends in Congress”.

      But then he added a caveat: “Of course, if a president pushed hard enough, and told the American people that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was damaging US interests and that he had a plan to end it, he would prevail.”

      He elaborated: “By that I mean AIPAC would have no choice but to support him. We can never defeat a president who reaches over the heads of AIPAC and Congress and invokes his prerogatives as president of the United States or, even more, the national interest.”

      http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/201311075440294575.html

      It’s a matter of will power. AIPAC operates on the premise, if there’s the will, there’s a way. Same goes for POTUS.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        January 3, 2014, 10:48 am

        After WW2 the mood in America turned on the plutocrats. It’ll turn on the Zionists too. It would be better not to get to this point but justice is gonna come for the Palestinians.

      • LeaNder
        LeaNder
        January 3, 2014, 11:37 am

        I have been thinking about that statement by Netanyahu a lot lately, citizen.

        But strictly concerning campaign finance, yes that may be an issue. But for whatever reason I think the much bigger power results from the fact that “the lobby” controls “the narrative”. Add to that the antisemitism charge.

        Concerning campaign finance. Assume for one moment the US would give it up and let citizen instead finance elections, as we do over here in Germany. Would it completely change the landscape around elections and issues? The big money would simply go into PR to shape the perception, or as a scholar in the field over here, would “shape reality perception” according to specific interest group’s wishes.

        Mondoweiss, in this context, needs more of the adoringly tireless Hostage in the upper sections. For the people that are too lazy to look into the extensive research available by now.

      • Kathleen
        Kathleen
        January 3, 2014, 11:43 am

        “But then he added a caveat: “Of course, if a president pushed hard enough, and told the American people that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was damaging US interests and that he had a plan to end it, he would prevail.
        He elaborated: “By that I mean AIPAC would have no choice but to support him. We can never defeat a president who reaches over the heads of AIPAC and Congress and invokes his prerogatives as president of the United States or, even more, the national interest.”

        Seems to be the course we are on.
        We have had former head of Iaea weapons inspection teams, many former CIA analysts, Carter, Zbig, the 9/11 commission report, retired Generals, former head of the CIA’s Bin Laden unit, brave journalist like Greenwald and Scahill etc try to get the fact that Israel’s continued expansion of illegal settlements, defiance towards UN resolutions and international laws, unwillingness to sign the NPT yet pointing at others all of the time has and continues to be a threat to U.S. National Security.

        Will Obama, Kerry, Hagel etc grow some cajones and come right out and repeat these facts? Heard Hagel do it at the Univ of Colorado World Conference some years ago.

        All we can do is keep pushing

      • Ellen
        Ellen
        January 3, 2014, 2:41 pm

        Kathleen, I love your optimism, but am afraid Carter, Zbig, General Zinni, etc. have been marginalized. Truth is punished. And truth from power that is perceived to threaten a country will be eliminated.

        Yet the real power lies with the public. The public cannot be eliminated but can be pacified and made compliant.

        https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfTheSelf

    • NickJOCW
      NickJOCW
      January 3, 2014, 10:25 am

      What would it take for the NYT to reach such a tipping point re “the special relationship?” Just a bit more time perhaps. The tipping point is but a stage in a process, like the camel’s proverbial straw. Casting about in search of associated elements, since nothing happens in isolation, I come back to Iran, more specifically the potential dusting down of the US/Iran relationship. Once that is on firmer ground the US/Israel ties are ready to loosen. Meanwhile the less anyone does to draw attention to that process the better – even if it means ignoring Netanyahu pissing on the carpets. Syrian Prime Minister Wael Al-Halqi recently paid tribute to Russia and Iran who he said had allowed Syria to make achievements he hoped will translate into action in Geneva in a couple of weeks.

      Then, Iran might well help resolve the stand off with Karzai. and influence a number of other local situations. Israel is a diplomatic burden while Iran will be an asset, and cost a good deal less.

    • Hostage
      Hostage
      January 3, 2014, 11:42 am

      Seems when, alone, the American peasants rose up to nix an attack on Syria, it shocked those relevant PTB folks nearly everywhere, most immediately, in USA, Israel, and Saudi Arabia.

      It didn’t surprise me. I was pointing out that the members of the Republican power base were attending town hall meetings last August and telling their elected officials to either quit initiating new wars in the Middle East or start looking for a new job in the private sector. The natives aren’t just restless, they are up in arms.

      When Obama and AIPAC turned to Congress for moral support for military strikes against sites in Syria, I knew damn good and well they wouldn’t get any – and that AIPAC can’t get a Congress critter re-elected no matter how much money they have to spend, once he or she pisses-off the power base.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/dubious-intelligence-and-iran-blackmail-how-israel-is-driving-the-us-to-war-in-syria.html/comment-page-1#comment-589837

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/dubious-intelligence-and-iran-blackmail-how-israel-is-driving-the-us-to-war-in-syria.html#comment-590027

      http://mondoweiss.net/2013/09/dubious-intelligence-and-iran-blackmail-how-israel-is-driving-the-us-to-war-in-syria.html/comment-page-1#comment-590246

  7. Talkback
    Talkback
    January 3, 2014, 8:04 am

    The selfhating gentile Kerry licks the boots of the leader of the one and only antigentile Apartheid Junta in the world who only celebrates terrorists, racists and protofascists, if they are Jewish.

  8. Woody Tanaka
    Woody Tanaka
    January 3, 2014, 8:53 am

    Benji’s got no class. He’s the quintessential israeli.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      January 3, 2014, 11:02 am

      None of them have class. No class went to Israel. Even the plutocrats in Zion are lower middle class.

  9. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 3, 2014, 10:13 am

    This could well be the high point of organised Jewish power. Hubris is such a cruel phenomenon.

  10. ramzijaber
    ramzijaber
    January 3, 2014, 10:15 am

    more talk about talk about talk about talk. all while the zionists continue stealing, killing, destroying. enough.

  11. Kathleen
    Kathleen
    January 3, 2014, 11:34 am

    ” Kerry’s remarks today:

    Now, I want to emphasize that the discussion of an agreed framework has emerged from the ideas that both parties have put on the table. My role is not to impose American ideas on either side but to facilitate the parties’ own efforts. An agreed framework would clarify and bridge the gaps between the parties so that they can move towards a final peace treaty that would resolve all of those core issues.”

    Kerry has confirmed his job is to bend over and have his ass stamped with the Star of David. Kerry “thank you thank you Bibi” for kicking my efforts in the arse

  12. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    January 3, 2014, 5:59 pm

    RE: “A few days ago in Ramallah, President Abbas embraced terrorists as heroes. To glorify the murders of innocent women and men as heroes is an outrage.” ~ Netanyayhu

    MY COMMENT: What incredible chutzpah! Israel never punished the assassins of Folke Bernadotte. Yitzak Shamir, who authorized the assasination, was later elected by Israelis as Prime Minister.

    FROM WIKIPEDIA [Folke Bernadotte]:

    [EXCERPTS] Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (in Swedish: Greve af Wisborg; 2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish diplomat and nobleman noted for his negotiation of the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps during World War II, including 450 Danish Jews from Theresienstadt released on 14 April 1945.[1][2][3] In 1945, he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected.
    After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab-Israeli conflict of 1947-1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the militant Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties. The Lehi was led at the time by Yitzhak Shamir, who was later to become Prime Minister of Israel. . .
    . . . Bernadotte was assassinated on Friday 17 September 1948 by members of the armed Jewish Zionist group Lehi (commonly known as the Stern Gang or Stern Group).
    A three man ‘center’ of this extreme Jewish group had approved the killing: Yitzhak Yezernitsky (the future Prime Minister of Israel Yitzhak Shamir), Nathan Friedmann (also called Natan Yellin-Mor) and Yisrael Eldad (also known as Scheib)[citation needed]. A fourth leader, Emmanuel Strassberg (Hanegbi) was also suspected by the Israeli prime minister David Ben-Gurion of being part of the group that had decided on the assassination.[30][31][32][33] The assassination was planned by the Lehi operations chief in Jerusalem, Yehoshua Zettler. A four-man team ambushed Bernadotte’s motorcade in Jerusalem’s Katamon neighborhood. Two of them, Yitzhak Ben Moshe (Markovitz) and Avraham Steinberg, shot at the tires of the UN vehicles. A third, Yehoshua Cohen, opened the door of Bernadotte’s car and shot him at close range. The bullets also hit a French officer who was sitting beside him, U.N. Observer Colonel André Serot. Both were killed. In the immediate confusion, Col. Serot was mistaken for Dr. Ralph Bunche, the American aide to Bernadotte. . .
    . . . Lehi was forcibly disarmed and many members were arrested, but nobody was charged with the killings. Yellin-Mor and another Lehi member, Schmuelevich, were charged with belonging to a terrorist organization. They were found guilty but immediately released and pardoned. Yellin-Mor had meanwhile been elected to the first Knesset.[47] Years later, Cohen’s role was uncovered by David Ben-Gurion’s biographer Michael Bar Zohar, while Cohen was working as Ben-Gurion’s personal bodyguard. . .
    . . . The first public admission of Lehi’s role in the killing was made on the anniversary of the assassination in 1977.[48] The statute of limitations for murder had expired in 1971.[32][49]
    The Swedish government believed that Bernadotte had been assassinated by Israeli government agents.[50] They publicly attacked the inadequacy of the Israel investigation . . .

    SOURCE – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte

    • DICKERSON3870
      DICKERSON3870
      January 4, 2014, 10:24 am

      P.S. Here is a nice photograph of the man who authorized the assassination of Folke Bernadotte, namely Yitzak Shamir. In the photo, Shamir is shown mentoring his young protégé, Benjamin Netanyahu.

  13. libra
    libra
    January 3, 2014, 7:24 pm

    The bouffant-haired Kerry gets slapped in the face by a man with a comb over.

    I’m beginning to see where miriam might be coming from.

  14. pmb1414
    pmb1414
    January 3, 2014, 10:09 pm

    Netanyahu is a complete @$$. He has humiliated the US too many times and should suffer the consequences~ turn off the money spigot. Permanently.

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