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J Street founder Jeremy Ben-Ami speaking at the group's conference in 2012. (Photo: J Street)

J Street founder Jeremy Ben-Ami speaking at the group’s conference in 2012. (Photo: J Street)

Since its founding six years ago, J Street has emerged as a major Jewish organization under the banner “Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace.” By now J Street is able to be a partial counterweight to AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. The contrast between the two U.S. groups is sometimes stark. J Street applauds diplomacy with Iran, while AIPAC works to undermine it. J Street encourages U.S. support for “the peace process” between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, while AIPAC opposes any meaningful Israeli concessions. In the pressure cooker of Washington politics, J Street’s emergence has been mostly positive. But what does its motto “Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace” really mean?

That question calls for grasping the context of Zionism among Jews in the United States — aspects of history, largely obscured and left to archives, that can shed light on J Street’s current political role. Extolling President Obama’s policies while urging him to intensify efforts to resolve Israeli-Palestinian conflicts, the organization has staked out positions apt to sound humanistic and fresh. Yet J Street’s leaders are far from the first prominent American Jews who have struggled to square the circles of the moral contradictions of a “Jewish state” in Palestine.

Our research in the archives of the American Jewish Committee in New York City, Johns Hopkins University and elsewhere shows that J Street is adhering to — and working to reinforce — limits that major Jewish organizations adopted midway through the 20th century. Momentum for creation of the State of Israel required some hard choices for groups such as the influential AJC, which adjusted to the triumph of an ideology — militant Jewish nationalism — that it did not share. Such accommodation meant acceding to an outward consensus while suppressing debate on its implications within Jewish communities in the United States.

In 1945, AJC staff had discussed the probability of increased bloodshed in Palestine — and a likelihood of “Judaism, as a whole, being held morally responsible for the fallacies of Zionism.” In exchange for AJC support in 1947 for UN partition of Palestine, the AJC extracted this promise from the Jewish Agency: “The so-called Jewish State is not to be called by that name but will bear some appropriate geographical designation. It will be Jewish only in the sense that the Jews will form a majority of the population.”

A January 1948 position paper in AJC records spoke of “extreme Zionists” then ascendant among Jews in Palestine and the United States: The paper warned that they served “no less monstrosity than the idol of the State as the complete master not only over its own immediate subjects but also over every living Jewish body and soul the world over, beyond any consideration of good or evil. This mentality and program is the diametrical opposite to that of the American Jewish Committee.” The confidential document warned of “moral and political repercussions which may deeply affect both the Jewish position outside Palestine, and the character of the Jewish state in Palestine.” Such worries became more furtive after Israel became a nation later in 1948.

Privately, some leaders held out hope that constraints on public debate could coexist with continuing debate inside Jewish institutions. In 1950 the president of the American Jewish Committee, Jacob Blaustein, wrote in a letter to the head of an anti-Zionist organization, the American Council for Judaism, that the silencing of public dissent would not preclude discussion within the Yiddish-language and Jewish press. In effect, Blaustein contended that vigorous dialogue could continue among Jews but should be inaudible to gentiles. However, the mask of American Jewry would soon become its face. Concerns about growing Jewish nationalism became marginal, then unmentionable.

The recent dispute in the Jewish student group Hillel — whether its leadership can ban Hillel chapters on U.S. college campuses from hosting severe critics of Israeli policies — emerged from a long history of pressure on American Jews to accept Zionism and a “Jewish state” as integral to Judaism. The Jewish students now pushing to widen the bounds of acceptable discourse are challenging powerful legacies of conformity.

During the 1950s and later decades, the solution for avoiding an ugly rift was a kind of preventive surgery. Universalist, prophetic Judaism became a phantom limb of American Jewry, after an amputation in service of the ideology of an ethnic state in the Middle East. Pressures for conformity became overwhelming among American Jews, whose success had been predicated on the American ideal of equal rights regardless of ethnic group origin.

Generally flourishing in a country founded on the separation of religion and state, American Zionists dedicated themselves to an Israeli state based on the prerogatives of Jews. That Mobius strip could only be navigated by twisting logic into special endless dispensations for Jewish people. Narratives of historic Jewish vulnerability and horrific realities of the Holocaust became all-purpose justifications.

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As decades passed after the June 1967 war, while the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza wore on, younger American Jews slowly became less inclined to automatically support Israeli policies. Now, 65 years after the founding of Israel, the historic realities of displacement — traumatic for Palestinians while triumphant for many Jewish Israelis — haunt the territorial present that J Street seeks to navigate.

The organization’s avowed goal is an equitable peace agreement between Israel and Palestinians. But J Street’s pragmatic, organization-building strength is tied into its real-world moral liability: continuing to accept extremely skewed power relations in Palestine. The J Street leadership withholds from the range of prospective solutions the alternative of truly ending the legally and militarily enforced Jewish leverage over Palestinians, replete with the advantages of dominance (in sharp contrast to the precept of abandoning white privilege that was a requirement in the anti-apartheid struggle in South Africa).

Every conceptual lane of J Street equates being “pro-Israel” with maintaining the doctrine of a state where Jews are more equal than others. Looking to the past, that approach requires treating the historic Zionist conquest as somewhere between necessary and immaculate. Looking at the present and the future, that approach sees forthright opposition to the preeminence of Jewish rights as extreme or otherwise beyond the pale. And not “pro-Israel.”

Like the Obama administration, J Street is steadfast in advocating a “two-state solution” while trying to thwart the right-wing forces led by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. A goal is to reduce his leverage by altering the political environment he encounters in the United States, where AIPAC — riding high astride much of the U.S. Congress — is aligned with the hard right of Israeli politics. In contrast, J Street is aligned with a fuzzy center that copes with cognitive dissonance by embracing humane rhetoric about Palestinians while upholding subjugation of Palestinians’ rights.

At J Street’s 2011 conference, Rabbi David Saperstein congratulated the organization: “When the Jewish community needed someone to speak for them at the Presbyterian Convention against the divestment resolution, the community turned to J Street, who had the pro-peace credibility to stunt the efforts of the anti-Israeli forces, and they were compellingly effective. They did so at Berkeley on the bus ad fights, debating Jewish Voice for Peace.” Saperstein — a Reform Judaism leader described by Newsweek as the USA’s most influential rabbi — lauded J Street for its special function among “the strongly pro-Israel peace groups that have the credibility to stand before strongly dovish non-Jewish groups and guide them away from delegitimization efforts.”

Such praise for being a bulwark against “delegitimization” is a high compliment for J Street. And it is surely gratifying for its founder and president, Jeremy Ben-Ami. When he reaffirms “our commitment to and support for the people and the state of Israel,” he frames it in these terms: “We believe that the Jewish people — like all other people in the world — have the right to a national home of their own, and we celebrate its rebirth after thousands of years.” His official J Street bio says that “Ben-Ami’s family connection to Israel goes back 130 years to the first aliyah when his great-grandparents were among the first settlers in Petah Tikva [near present-day Tel Aviv]. His grandparents were one of the founding families of Tel Aviv, and his father was an activist and leader in the Irgun, working for Israel’s independence and on the rescue of European Jews before and during World War II.” Readers are left to ponder the reference to leadership of the ultranationalist Irgun, given its undisputed terrorist violence.

Whatever its differences with the Likudnik stances of AIPAC and Netanyahu, J Street joins in decrying the danger of the “delegitimization” of Israel — a word often deployed against questioning of Jewish privileges in Palestine maintained by armed force. In sync with U.S. foreign policy, J Street is enmeshed in assuming the validity of prerogatives that are embedded in Netanyahu’s demand for unequivocal support of Israel as “the nation-state of the Jewish people.” In the process, the secular USA massively supports a government that is using weapons of war emblazoned with symbols of the Jewish religion, while the U.S. Congress continues to designate Israel as a “strategic ally.” An AIPAC official was famously quoted by Jeffrey Goldberg as boasting, “You see this napkin? In 24 hours, we could have the signatures of 70 senators on this napkin.”

J Street is aligned with more “moderate” personalities in Israeli politics, but what is considered moderate Zionism in Israel may not match sensibilities outside Israel. On a J Street-sponsored U.S. speaking tour, Knesset member Adi Koll said she is pleased that Palestinian refugees from 1948 are dying off, which she portrayed as good for peace: “This is what we have been waiting for, for more and more of them to die,” to finalize the War of Independence expulsion of Palestinians. J Street’s Ben-Ami has warned of “the ‘one state nightmare’ — a minority of Jewish Israelis in a state with a majority of non-Jewish residents.” For J Street, an embrace of perpetual Jewish dominance as imperative seems to be a litmus test before any criticism of the occupation is to be deemed legitimate.

A human rights lawyer active with Jewish Voice for Peace, David L. Mandel, sees a double standard at work. “Too many progressives on everything else still are not progressive about Israel and Palestine,” he told us. “And J Street, by making it easier for them to appear to be critical, in fact serves as a roadblock on the path to a consistent, human rights and international law-based position.”

Covering J Street’s annual conference in September 2013, Mondoweiss.net editor Philip Weiss pointed out: “J Street still can claim to be a liberal Zionist organization that wants to pressure Israel to leave the settlements. But more than that it wants access to the Israeli establishment, and it is not going to alienate that establishment by advocating any measure that will isolate Israel or put real pressure on it.”

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While evocations of the “special relationship” between the United States and Israel may sound uplifting, J Street ultimately lets the Israeli government off the hook by declaring that relationship sacrosanct, no matter what. The organization insists that political candidates funded by J StreetPAC “must demonstrate that they support a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, active U.S. leadership to help end the conflict, the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel, continued aid to the Palestinian Authority and opposition to the Boycott/Divestment/Sanction movement.”

The sanctity of the proviso about “the special relationship between the U.S. and Israel” became evident to one of us (Norman Solomon) while running for Congress in 2012 in California. After notification that J Street had decided to confer “On the Street” status on Solomon and another Democratic candidate in the primary race, the group’s leadership suddenly withdrew the stamp of approval — after discovering a Solomon op-ed piece written in July 2006 that criticized Washington’s support for the Israeli bombing of Lebanon then underway. In a specially convened conference call, J Street’s top leaders told the candidate that one statement in the op-ed was especially egregious: “The United States and Israel. Right now, it’s the most dangerous alliance in the world.”

In December 2013, while visiting Israel, Secretary of State John Kerry affirmed that “the bond between the United States and Israel is unbreakable.” He added that — despite occasional “tactical” differences — “we do not have a difference about the fundamental strategy that we both seek with respect to the security of Israel and the long-term peace of this region.”

Two days later, on Dec. 7 at a Saban Center gathering in Washington, Kerry joined with President Obama in paying tribute to the idea of a nation for Jews. Obama endorsed the goal of protecting “Israel as a Jewish state.” (He sat for an interview with billionaire Zionist Haim Saban, who joked: “Very obedient president I have here today!”) For his part, Kerry addressed Israeli ethnic anxiety by urging that Israel heed U.S. advice for withdrawal from some territory, to defuse what he called the “demographic time bomb” — non-Jewish births — threatening the existence of a “Jewish and democratic” state.

Although “militant Islam” is common coin in U.S. discourse about the Middle East, militant Jewish nationalism lacks a place in the conversation. This absence occurs despite — and perhaps because of — the fact that militant Jewish nationalism is such a powerful ideology in the United States, especially in Congress. Yet recent erosion of the taboo has caused some alarm. In May 2011 the Reut Institute, well-connected to the Israeli establishment, held a joint conference with the American Jewish Committee and met with smaller organizations to formalize a policy of “establishing red-lines with regards to the discourse about Israel between legitimate criticism and acts of delegitimization.”

In its own way, J Street has laid down red-line markers along the left perimeter of American Zionism. For instance, some of the most telling moments of J Street’s existence came during the November 2012 Gaza crisis. As the conflict escalated, Israel threatened a ground invasion. J Street urged Israeli restraint but did not oppose the ongoing intense bombardment of Gaza. Instead, echoing President Obama, the organization endorsed Israel’s “right and obligation to defend itself against rocket fire and against those who refuse to recognize its right to exist and inexcusably use terror and violence to achieve their ends.”

J Street’s statement, titled “Enough of Silence,” eerily mirrored the brutal asymmetry of the warfare then raging — and, for that matter, the asymmetry of the entire Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While far more Palestinians than Israelis were dying (87 Palestinian and four Israeli noncombatants lost their lives, according to a report from the human-rights group B’Tselem), J Street condemned the killing by Palestinians but merely questioned the ultimate efficacy of the killing by Israelis. While J Street was appropriately repulsed by the bloodshed, it could not plead for reversal of the underlying, continuing injustice beyond its advocacy of a two-state solution. During the years ahead, J Street is likely to be instrumental in establishing and reinforcing such red lines.

A rare instance when J Street has not endorsed President Obama’s approach in the Middle East came in September 2013, when the administration pressed for U.S. missile strikes on Syria following claims that the Bashar al-Assad regime had used chemical weapons. J Street remained officially silent on the issue; Jeremy Ben-Ami reportedly pushed for endorsement of an attack, but many others in the organization were opposed. The Forward newspaper quoted a J Street activist: “Jeremy is a pragmatist. He wants to keep us as progressive as possible without going too far from the mainstream.”

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J Street is striving to support Israel differently than AIPAC: by fostering the more peaceful, humane streams of Zionism. But among new generations of U.S. Jews, the Zionist rationales for Israel as a whole are losing ground. In a 2013 Pew Research Center study, 93 percent of American Jews state they are proud of being part of the Jewish people — but only 43 percent say that “caring about” the State of Israel is essential to being a Jew, and the figure drops to 32 percent of respondents under 30 years old.

The Jewish establishment has always represented those Jews choosing to affiliate with institutionalized Judaism. More and more, this leaves out large numbers who don’t believe that blood-and-soil Jewish nationalism should crowd out their Jewish and universalist values. As the Pew survey shows, American Jews are less sympathetic than American Jewish organizations to enforcing Jewish political nationalism with armed force.

Last summer, Ben-Ami told the New Republic: “We are advocating for a balance between the security needs of Israel and the human rights of the Palestinians. It is by definition a moderate, centrist place.” Ben-Ami highlighted his strategy for practicality: “We have the ear of the White House; we have the ear of a very large segment of Congress at this point; we have very good relations with top communal leadership in the Jewish community. If you want to have a voice in those corridors of power, then get involved with J Street.”

We recently submitted three questions to Ben-Ami. Asked about the historic concerns that a “democratic Jewish state” would be self-contradictory, he replied: “J Street believes it is possible to reconcile the essence of Zionism, that Israel must be the national homeland of the Jewish people, and the key principles of its democracy, namely, that the state must provide justice and equal rights for all its citizens. In the long run, Israel can only manage the tension between these two principles if there is a homeland for the Palestinian people alongside Israel.”

Asked whether relations with non-Jewish Palestinians would be better now if Jewish leaders who favored creation of a non-ethnically-based state had prevailed, Ben-Ami did not respond directly. Instead, he affirmed support for a two-state solution and commented: “History has sadly and repeatedly proven the necessity of a nation-state for the Jewish people. J Street today is focused on building support in the American Jewish community for the creation of a nation-state for the Palestinian people alongside Israel — precisely because it is so necessary if Israel is to continue to be the national home of the Jewish people.”

The shortest — and perhaps the most significant — reply came when we asked: “Do you believe it is fair to say that the Israeli government has engaged in ethnic cleansing?”

Ben-Ami responded with one word. “No.”

“They have destroyed and are destroying … and do not know it and do not want to know it,” James Baldwin wrote several decades ago. “But it is not permissible that the authors of devastation should also be innocent. It is the innocence which constitutes the crime.” Those who have seen to the devastation of “others” — and have even celebrated overall results of the process — cannot begin to atone or make amends without some genuine remorse. With a pose of innocence, in the absence of remorse, the foundation of J Street’s position is denial of the ethnic cleansing that necessarily enabled Israel to become what it is now, officially calling itself a “Jewish and democratic state.”

Population transfer of Arabs was part of the planning of Zionist leadership, and it was implemented. Benny Morris, the pioneering Israeli historian of the ethnic cleansing of Arabs from Israel, said: “Ben-Gurion was right. If he had not done what he did, a state would not have come into being. That has to be clear. It is impossible to evade it. Without the uprooting of the Palestinians, a Jewish state would not have arisen here.”

In a talk five decades ago at Hillel House at the University of Chicago, philosopher Leo Strauss mentioned that Leon Pinsker’s Zionist manifesto “Autoemancipation,” published in 1882, quotes the classic Hillel statement “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? And if not now, when?” — but leaves out the middle of the sequence, “If I am only for myself, what am I?”

“The omission of these words,” Strauss said, “is the definition of pureblooded political Zionism.”

The full integrity of Rabbi Hillel’s complete statement — urging Jews not to be “only for myself” — is explicit in the avowed mission of J Street. But there is unintended symbolism in the organization’s name, which partly serves as an inside Washington joke. The absence of an actual J Street between I and K Streets is, so to speak, a fact on the ground. And sadly, the group’s political vision of “Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace” is as much a phantom as the nonexistent lettered street between I and K in the Nation’s Capital; unless “peace” is to be understood along the lines of the observation by Carl von Clausewitz that “a conqueror is always a lover of peace.”

Abba A. Solomon and Norman Solomon
About Abba A. Solomon and Norman Solomon

Abba A. Solomon is the author of “The Speech, and Its Context: Jacob Blaustein's Speech ‘The Meaning of Palestine Partition to American Jews.’” Norman Solomon is the founding director of the Institute for Public Accuracy, cofounder of RootsAction.org and the author of “War Made Easy: How Presidents and Pundits Keep Spinning Us to Death.”

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  1. January 22, 2014, 11:48 am

    Sometimes I think that J-Street may be nothing more that a “Trojan Horse”. I base this on the devious behavior I have observed by the Israeli government and their mostly Jewish supporters in the USA including AIPAC, with regard to the peace process. By using the term Trojan Horse I mean that J-Street might be just a device that like the mythical Trojan horse attracts the left-wing Jews and mesmerizes them into a feeling of belonging and security in an alternative to AIPAC, but all the time is a device that is designed (perhaps by AIPAC) to control them and mould their opinions and activities into a form that threatens no one and allows Israel to continue on its relentless path to taking all the Palestinians lands and disappearing or neutralizing the Palestinians. Just like Sharon left Gaza in order to put the peace process in formaldehyde, I sometimes think that J-Street is doing the same thing for progressive American Zionists and others who criticize Israel. Given what has already happened in Palestine, am I paranoid ?

    • bilal a
      bilal a
      January 22, 2014, 2:10 pm

      J Street is the Angel Levine to the settler mentality of Zero Mostel, Ida Kaminska is the beautiful Jewish tradition per-Zionism. The settler curses G_d and rejects Levine’s miracle, condemning them both, and Kaminska departs this world ,telling the doctor to look in on the Settler, he’s meshuginna.

    • January 22, 2014, 2:37 pm

      What I forgot to say in the heat of the moment is that it may not be just a “blind alley” followed by J Street but it may be even worse – a Trojan Horse designed to neutralize those that find AIPAC too strident. What a disturbing thought, but not beyond the limits of possibility when it comes to Israeli obfuscation and black ops.

      • pabelmont
        pabelmont
        January 23, 2014, 5:53 pm

        unverified: I have often thought that J-Streert was no more than AIPAC-lite, meaning that it was the same policies (not always precisely the same tactics) but in a different wrapper, a different flavor of the same toothpaste.

        If progressive Jews had to choose between AIPAC, JVP, and total inaction, they might not feel “ready” to follow JVP and instead pick one of the other two choices. But with four choices, including J-Street, they may feel comfortable (I don’t know why — it is a police-state, directed from the top, no democracy, just like AIPAC) with J-Street. So, altogether, it siphons a few people away from JVP and a few people away from apathetic do-nothingness.

        And, to be clear, J-Street stands for indefinite pseudo-negotiations-whilst-Israel-gobbles-the-West-Bank-including-East-Jerusalem.

  2. Dan Good
    Dan Good
    January 22, 2014, 2:07 pm

    According to Miko Peled a two state solution is no longer viable.

    The only real solution is for Israel to recognize the flaw in Zionism and reject it, hard as it may be to imagine. Miko Peled should be more promoted by Mondoweiss. Personally I stumbled on his youtube speeches when looking into the background of French anti-racist laws that are often used by the French ADL (called LICRA) to punish people who criticize Israel.

    • Citizen
      Citizen
      January 23, 2014, 4:09 am

      @ Dan Good

      I agree about Miko Peled. I put a link to him up at MW yesterday. In that video he spoke for over an hour and then did Q & A with the audience. The man knows Israel and America thoroughly. He discovered just how nasty and ruthless were the founders of Israel, and all of Israel’s premeditated wars, in the government’s own archive documents. He said the Israeli education system’s narrative of modern Israel’s history is completely false. He also said nothing good will come to the Palestinian people unless the Americans rise up as they did against the Vietnam War. And that’s because no American can have or keep a successful political career without first doing whatever AIPAC-Israel wants.

  3. Les
    Les
    January 22, 2014, 2:08 pm

    When and who made the decision to change Hillel from a Jewish organization to an Israeli one, we do not know.

  4. yrn
    yrn
    January 22, 2014, 2:52 pm

    “According to Miko Peled”
    Dan you are Good…… Miko Peled represents 0% of the Israeli opinion.
    He is a one single loony.
    both of you will be a duo…. go ahead an play together..

  5. American
    American
    January 22, 2014, 2:57 pm

    Good essay.

  6. seafoid
    seafoid
    January 22, 2014, 4:26 pm

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.570039

    “The United Nations launched the International Year of Solidarity with the Palestinian People (IYSPP) at an official ceremony last Thursday.

    The UN hopes the initiative will enhance efforts to achieve Israeli-Palestinian peace and claims its purpose is to contribute to international awareness on the “question of Palestine” and the main obstacles to achieving a just solution, a statement issued by the UN stated.

    Known as Resolution A/68/12, the initiative was adopted last November by 110 votes to 7, with 56 abstentions. Australia, Canada, Israel, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, and the United States voted against.

    “The coming year will be crucial to achieving the two-State solution,” Deputy Secretary-General Jan Eliasson said in his remarks to the UN General Assembly’s Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People last week. “The Secretary-General and I urge all in the international community to work together to translate the solidarity and desire for peace expressed on this occasion into positive action for security and for justice.”

    Israeli ambassador to the UN Ron Prosor slammed the event, declaring the UN a “propaganda machine” for the Palestinians. “Rather than putting an end to the provocative Palestinian campaign against Israel,” he said in an official statement to the media, “the UN provides a stage for these performances.” “

  7. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    January 22, 2014, 4:45 pm

    To be clear: the Jewish privilege that J street favors for the Jewish state in the 2 state solution is primarily (if not absolutely) anchored on the question of immigration. Jews will be entitled to immigrate to the Jewish state of Israel, whereas nonJewish immigration will continue to be limited. The inferences of “demographic danger” implied in the policy are certainly negative and it is certainly reasonable for people to object to the policy of immigration that I have just outlined. But the constant evocation of the phrase Jewish privilege, which implies all the current laws that in fact privilege Jews, should not be confused with the immigration policy. I do not know if J street explicitly makes the differentiation that I have just remarked upon, but they should.

  8. Tony Logan
    Tony Logan
    January 22, 2014, 5:48 pm

    Since the principal author of this commentary, Norman Solomon, himself is so tied to the Democratic Party, there really is only minimal mention of how the inspiration to set up J (ewish) Street organizationally seems to flow entirely from the needs of the Clintons, Bidens, and Obamas of that wing of the one US ruling class party. J Street was set up to appeal mainly to the type of liberal humanitarian imperialist centrist voters of the DP who always think themselves so far liberal Left, and that once were the core back bone of the ‘Save Darfur’ evangelical movement. They propaganda wise, helped eventually split off South Sudan from Sudan for the imperialists and now have as a movement, been put on hold for only possible use in the future once again, if Israel and the US Democrats should ever so urge them to remobilize.

    The current state of affairs of this African colony of the US, Western Europe, and Israel now called South Sudan, can help us see exactly the type of dead end humanitarian fiascoes that liberal Zionism always tends to dead end into.

  9. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    January 22, 2014, 6:00 pm

    Anybody know this? If Israel were forced to leave the WB, would all those religious nationalist settlers want to remain in Lesser Israel or would they want to leave? Adn if Israel were forced to leave the WB, would other right-wingers also want to leave,due to the shame and disgrace of powerlessness thrust upon them after the 65-year experience of omnipotence? Assuming the Palestinians would remain, how long would it take for a Palestinian majority to be reached? I’m assuming that the Palestinians would not be kicked out of the Lesser Israel.

    • wondering jew
      wondering jew
      January 22, 2014, 8:48 pm

      pabelmont- The right wingers will be the last to leave Israel. Actually not the very last. The Palestinians will be the last to leave and the ultra Orthodox will be next to the last to leave and then the right wingers will be the next to last to leave. Left wingers see leaving Israel as an alternative much earlier and quicker than right wingers.

  10. piotr
    piotr
    January 22, 2014, 8:12 pm

    unless “peace” is to be understood along the lines of the observation by Carl von Clausewitz that “a conqueror is always a lover of peace.”

    Perhaps it is not so unreasonable. After all, Clausewitz was a rationalist who had little patience with romanticism of war. To him, war was supposed to have an objective (hence, extension of policy by other means) and it could achieve that objective or not. Currently, there is advocacy of un-ending war as the mode of existence for the State of Israel. A book by an Israeli political scientist has title “How Israel may win a war that never ends”. Ending a war would be a failure for Israel if war is an essential part of her existence. Seems that in Israel, politics is an extension of war.

    The result is that the mainstream Israeli politicians hate J-Street and similarly thinking Jews (who actually would prefer peace). Apparently, Martin Indyk is one of those hated figures, and perhaps one reason why his employer, Sec. Kerry, is also unpopular. The gist of the recent remarks by Min. Ya’alon was that the latter is getting sick any time he sees the former and increasingly ambitious travel plans of Sec. Kerry were driving Ya’alon nuts. And the main reason that Kerry irritates Ya’alon so much is the spouting about peace.

  11. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    January 22, 2014, 8:50 pm

    J Street is dedicated to a 2 state solution. The Solomon brothers are not dedicated to this solution. All the rest is filler.

    • piotr
      piotr
      January 23, 2014, 8:55 am

      “dedicated to a 2 state solution” is highly ambiguous. Like AIPAC, J-Street is a lobby, which means an organization that makes a living by raising funds, marketing the product (why they should get funds) and doing some modicum of activity to justify why they had to get the funds.

      Iran issue is a good example. Some potential donors view Iran as contemporary Gog and Magog which has to be squashed or “regime-changed” to avoid the massive slaughter of Jews who gathered in Israel to find a safe place. Apparently, the robust opposition to talks with Iran, making deals that would decrease sanctions etc. is very good for AIPAC revenue. Even so, many potential donors view that policy as moronic, disastrous and outright dangerous for Israel, and J-Street can graciously accept their donations. So it is not some centralized plot but a natural segmentation of the market between specialized vendors.

      Concerning 2-state solution, J-Street is dedicated to marketing it as a “solution”, but is opposed to any sanctions on Israel that could facilitate such a solution. It is hard to figure out how J-Street imagines the route to 2-state solution if the Israeli government will not stop the occupation. I suspect that they do not care. Instead, they have a mix of position that keeps then “in the mainstream” and markets well to Jews that are liberal and rich.

  12. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    January 22, 2014, 10:37 pm

    http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116215/was-harry-truman-zionist

    Israel was a mistake and it still is a mistake that was made possible by pressure ,personal ambition,dereliction of duties,and corruption at the highest level. It is still being maintained by the same combination of the same factors.
    At least ,the press has started raising that doubt again in American mind.

  13. traintosiberia
    traintosiberia
    January 22, 2014, 10:48 pm

    J Street is the mask that AIPAC wears despite the discomfort. It is the reenactment of the fight between Jabotinsky and Weizmann. These two are the reincarnation of the Weiss and Silver.,J Street is the good cop and AIPAC does not care what the American think .

  14. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    January 23, 2014, 10:13 pm

    J Street was designed in parallel with the Obama campaign for presidency. The odds of Obama’s/Kerry’s attempt to reach a Palestinian Israeli agreement (interim or final) are about 8-1 against (at best and no worse than 50-1 at worst). Assuming that the odds hold out and Obama leaves office without any agreement, J Street will be an organization in search of a president. If Hilary is elected, in her heart she might wish to use J Street to help her triangulate the Aipac versus reality poles, but she will be indebted to forces that are closer to Aipac and J Street will no longer have a friend in the white house.

    The idea that Jews are too stupid to be able to tell the difference between JVP and J Street and only choose J street because of some sort of confusion, is really insulting and silly. The history of middle of the road attitudes towards Israel and the occupied territories exists all the way back to Breira and Tikkun magazine and even if those who at one time were associated with those ideas now find themselves in the JVP camp, does not change the fact that there is a need for Peter Beinart and J Street and it is a natural development aside from the dynamics of the election of Obama.

    Those who wish to join JVP are free to do so. Those who wish to join Aipac are free to do so. Those who wish for (however unrealistic it seems at this point) a two state solution along the lines of Meretz, have J Street.

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