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Gal Yoseph, at Ynet

You may have heard the exciting news that in the largest wave of refusal in six years, 60 Israeli youth declared in a letter to Prime Minister Netanyahu: “We Refuse to Serve in the Occupation Army.”

Well an article has appeared in the Hebrew press quoting Gal Yoseph, the head of a national body of high school students, responding to the Shministim refusal letter.

“If they endorse ways of peace, they should not act in ways of war. What they do when they declare themselves to be draft refusers amounts in fact to a declaration of war.”

Yoseph is the chairperson of the Israeli high school student and youth council– “the national one, the no.1 figure, was elected last July,” says Ofer Neiman, who provided the translation.

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  1. Tzombo
    Tzombo
    March 17, 2014, 3:36 pm

    Is there anything left that’s not?

    • Donald
      Donald
      March 17, 2014, 4:57 pm

      “Is there anything left that’s not?”

      Nope. All actions taken against Israel are violent by definition. In fact, merely by typing this criticism of their rhetorical tactics I am guilty of terrorist keyboarding.

  2. DaveS
    DaveS
    March 17, 2014, 3:53 pm

    How Orwellian of her. Refusal to join an army engaged in a morally reprehensible and illegal occupation is a declaration of war! She surely has a future as an IDF spokesperson, ambassador to the UN, etc.

  3. ritzl
    ritzl
    March 17, 2014, 4:52 pm

    @David Samel- Took the words right off my fingertips… Or future MK/PM.

  4. hophmi
    hophmi
    March 17, 2014, 5:07 pm

    You took the statement out of context. In the next quote, she pointed out that there were many ways to serve that did not require joining the military, and made clear that she was speaking figuratively about taking on the state, which is a pretty accurate description of what draft resistance is.

    Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats, and has a mandatory draft because of them. If one person doesn’t serve, another will have to. So while her blunt language (as Israeli language often is) is jarring to the delicate ears of a Westerner, be assured; no one is declaring war on anybody in Israel.

    The fact that there are sixty kids who are refusing to serve once again shows that Israel is a free and diverse country, a nuance lost on the BDS cult.

    • annie
      annie
      March 17, 2014, 6:53 pm

      speaking figuratively about taking on the state…is a pretty accurate description

      do you also think it’s accurate to describe conscientious objectors as ‘acting in ways of war’? sure, orwell would be pleased. white is black and black is white.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 18, 2014, 10:59 am

        “do you also think it’s accurate to describe conscientious objectors as ‘acting in ways of war’? sure, orwell would be pleased. white is black and black is white.”

        It’s hyperbole. But maybe if you lived in a country where everybody knew someone who had died in a suicide bombing, you’d have a better understanding of why conscientious objection raises high emotions. In America, similar things were said about draft resisters during the Vietnam War, and America faced no security threat from Vietnam.

        As an intellectual matter, the notion that refusing to serve, noble though it may be, is an act with no consequence for those who do serve, is problematic.

        “Free and diverse? They’re going to jail.”

        For how long?

        “she ignores the fact that most, if not all of them, ARE HAPPY to do some community service instead of serving in the army.”

        Then she’s obviously misinformed, and I’m glad you pointed that out. Look Ofer, I get your politics (fringe though they may be in Israel), but I think it’s bit ridiculous for people like Annie to pass judgment on the emotions of normal kids in a country like Israel. I have my own thoughts about it, but I’m not a fan of people who live in tranquil America and spend more time passing judgment on the views of Israeli kids than they do people in the their own country. Annie’s not in a position to judge. She sure doesn’t judge Palestinians.

        “I’ve never understood how any intelligent person could trot out such a stupid argument.”

        I haven’t. There are obviously a lot more than these sixty kids, and Israel obviously has a very diverse set of viewpoints.

        “The entire secular Jewish youth of Israel is brainwashed to feed the IDF.”

        Yeah, I don’t think they have anything on the kids around the rest of the region when it comes to being brainwashed.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 18, 2014, 12:18 pm

        Put through, please.

      • ofern
        ofern
        March 18, 2014, 2:45 pm

        Dear Hophmi, that girl is a product of a sick system. It’s not a matter of her own guilt. It’s a matter of the indoctrination she’s been through.

        A 16 year old from CENTRAL Israel has probably NOT experienced war traumas. Except for those drilled into her mind, by a Holocaust industry based education.

        People like you are doing nothing to stop this mind poisoning. If anything, you subscribe to some of the industry’s tenets.

        As for “how long”, could be two years, even more:

        http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Jan04/Gordon0108.htm

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 18, 2014, 3:26 pm

        “Dear Hophmi, that girl is a product of a sick system. It’s not a matter of her own guilt. It’s a matter of the indoctrination she’s been through.”

        Why is it that you are so unforgiving of people in your own country? There are consciencious objectors in every country with a standing army. I know of virtually nowhere where they are celebrated by the mainstream. They certainly haven’t been in the United States. Is it because people are indoctrinated? Perhaps, but no more here than in Israel.

        “A 16 year old from CENTRAL Israel has probably NOT experienced war traumas. Except for those drilled into her mind, by a Holocaust industry based education.”

        Ofer, don’t give me that crap. First of all, you have no clue who she knows or who her family knows. Virtually every Israeli I’ve ever met, across the political spectrum, is no more than two degrees of separation away from someone who died in a terrorist attack. And yes, I’m quite familiar with the overemphasis on the Holocaust in Israel and the victim mentality it can cause; I’ve had personal experience with it, and it’s a popular stereotype of Israelis here in America (see The Simpsons episode when they visited Israel and the tour guide went off about it).

        What I am against is turning this into a reverse chosenness, whereby the routine opinions mainstream Israelis express are elevated into some special brand of evil that applies to no one but them. What link does an American in Nebraska have to the people who were murdered on 9/11? And yet, you are just as likely to find a similar condemnation of a conscientious objector there, and hear concurrent American triumphalist views, the kind that led America to the Iraq War.

        And guess what, Ofer? Israel is a country with the highest per capita population of Holocaust survivors on the face of the Earth. So people there are more likely to hear stories about the Holocaust than anywhere else. It’s a part of Israeli society. You think it’s sick. I get that. What you need to get is that while you may have “evolved,” it’s a perfectly natural reaction to a history of persecution, and to a society with lots of real victims in it, and that it will dissipate in future generations. Unfortunately, persecution leaves a legacy. Slavery ended 150 years ago in America, and people are still dealing with the aftereffect of it. I’m sure you have no trouble recognizing that legacy in the American context. So be a little more understanding with your own people.

        So don’t tell me she’s the product of a system that is any sicker than any other system, let alone sicker than the disgusting systems that pollute the rest of the region where this girl lives.

        “People like you are doing nothing to stop this mind poisoning. If anything, you subscribe to some of the industry’s tenets.”

        Oh please. Get off your high horse. You’re doing nothing to stop it either. All you’re doing is allying yourself with people who sell another brand of poison.

      • eljay
        eljay
        March 18, 2014, 3:38 pm

        >> But maybe if you lived in a country where everybody knew someone who had died in a suicide bombing, you’d have a better understanding of why conscientious objection raises high emotions.

        Given what Zio-supremacist Jews have done to Palestinians for over 60 years, it’s perfectly clear that a Palestinian state – where everyone knows someone who has been ethnically-cleansed from their homes and lands, or tortured, or killed, or otherwise oppressed – must have a strong military of its own, and that that military must have a draft.

        Thank you for making that point so well.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        March 18, 2014, 8:17 pm

        I’m its impossible for everyone in israel to know someone killed in a sucide bombing the population and death toll numbers don’t add up. Your try to overplay it to excuse Israel’s brutal milantcy

      • annie
        annie
        March 18, 2014, 10:36 pm

        It’s hyperbole. But maybe if you lived in a country where everybody knew someone who had died in a suicide bombing, you’d have a better understanding of why conscientious objection raises high emotions

        hops, of course saying, as you did, that figuratively speaking, gal’s statement (“What they do when they declare themselves to be draft refusers amounts in fact to a declaration of war.””)…is a “pretty accurate description of what draft resistance is.”..of course your allegation is hyperbole.

        it’s bit ridiculous for people like Annie to pass judgment on the emotions of normal kids in a country like Israel.

        i’m was passing judgement on your description of gal’s words as an “accurate description of what draft resistance is.” i didn’t say anything about the kids emotions. you’re a grown up hops. and you’re the one calling that characterization accurate.

        I’m not a fan of people who live in tranquil America and spend more time passing judgment on the views of Israeli kids than they do people in the their own country. Annie’s not in a position to judge.

        don’t slide out from under your defense of the meaning behind your own words. i didn’t attack a child. i attacked your reasoning, your judgement.

        and i find it highly hypocritical that you are lecturing anyone about ” pass judgment on the emotions of normal kids” when you just claimed these kids who are draft resistors are ‘figuratively..making a declaration of war’. how is that not passing judgement on the emotions of normal kids? or don’t you think the kid opting out of military service is a normal kid?

        or maybe it’s just that when you do it is not “passing judgement on the emotions of normal kids” but when i call you out, an adult, you pretend i am judging a child??? using children for your shield hops? how cowardly.

      • hophmi
        hophmi
        March 19, 2014, 11:56 am

        “don’t slide out from under your defense of the meaning behind your own words. i didn’t attack a child. i attacked your reasoning, your judgement.”

        I forgot how clearly you write. Yes, it’s completely clear from “do you also think it’s accurate to describe conscientious objectors as ‘acting in ways of war’? sure, orwell would be pleased. white is black and black is white” that you’re attack me, and not Gal’s sentiment.

        In any event, if you’re asserting that you do not judge the viewpoints of Israelis like Gal, you’re not very self-aware.

        “how is that not passing judgement on the emotions of normal kids? or don’t you think the kid opting out of military service is a normal kid?”

        No. By definition, a tiny minority is not a representation of normalcy.

        “or maybe it’s just that when you do it is not “passing judgement on the emotions of normal kids” but when i call you out, an adult, you pretend i am judging a child??? using children for your shield hops? how cowardly.”

        Seriously, write in complete sentences and without excessive punctuation. Maybe then you’ll have a chance of being better understood.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        March 19, 2014, 9:57 am

        “In America, similar things were said about draft resisters during the Vietnam War, and America faced no security threat from Vietnam. ”

        And israel’s “threat” such as it is, is self-made and stems from its actions and its refusal to admit to its crimes and do acts of contrition.

        ” but I’m not a fan of people who live in tranquil America and spend more time passing judgment on the views of Israeli kids than they do people in the their own country. Annie’s not in a position to judge.”

        Bull. She is an adult with a moral sense; that’s all she needs to be in a position to judge.

        “She sure doesn’t judge Palestinians.”

        LMAO. If that line had come from someone who doesn’t defend every Jew and every israeli, regardless of the circumstances, that might be somewhat funny.

        “Yeah, I don’t think they have anything on the kids around the rest of the region when it comes to being brainwashed.”

        Yeah, you know that Ay-rabs, right Hoppy??? I mean, sure, they see the generations of oppression that the Palestinians have suffered at the israelis hands and seen the footage of the men, woman and children bloodied and murdered by israelis, but it is BRAINWASHING!!!! that makes them think poorly of the israelis…

    • March 17, 2014, 7:08 pm

      Free and diverse? They’re going to jail.

    • ofern
      ofern
      March 17, 2014, 8:31 pm

      Hophmi, you don’t wanna go there. “In the next quote”, she ignores the fact that most, if not all of them, ARE HAPPY to do some community service instead of serving in the army.

      How’s your Hebrew? In fact, you can read about Itay Aknin, who’s doing national service right now:

      http://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/1.2263773

    • puppies
      puppies
      March 17, 2014, 8:46 pm

      @hopp – “once again shows that Israel is a free and diverse country”
      No one gives a shit about that kind of freedom or diversity. It can become an all-black or all-homosexual or all-NFL-watching country for all anyone cares.
      Come back when it gives up entirely discrimination in favor of some “Jewish” ethnicity/race/religion, abolishes the Basic and Return laws, recognizes full citizenship of all owners of the place and all their heirs, dismantles the state apparatus, reshapes all laws and pays full reparation for everything since 11/1947.

    • philweiss
      philweiss
      March 17, 2014, 9:17 pm

      Thanks Hophmi, please supply the direct translation,
      Phil

    • eljay
      eljay
      March 17, 2014, 9:25 pm

      >> Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats …

      …which undoubtedly have nothing – absolutely nothing, not the slightest thing – to do with the real reality that Israel:
      – is an oppressive, colonialist, expansionist and supremacist state, born of terrorism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their homes and lands;
      – remains engaged in a 60+ years, ON-GOING and offensive (i.e., not defensive) campaign of aggression, oppression, theft, colonization, destruction and murder;
      – refuses to honour its obligations under international law; and
      – refused to enter into sincere negotiations for a just and mutually-beneficial peace.

      Aggressor-victimhood is such a tough gig… :-(

    • Donald
      Donald
      March 17, 2014, 10:49 pm

      “The fact that there are sixty kids who are refusing to serve once again shows that Israel is a free and diverse country, a nuance lost on the BDS cult.”

      I’ve never understood how any intelligent person could trot out such a stupid argument. Only in the most totalitarian societies (like, say, Pol Pot’s Cambodia) will you find a total absence of dissent.

    • talknic
      talknic
      March 18, 2014, 6:18 am

      hophmi “In the next quote, she pointed out that there were many ways to serve that did not require joining the military”

      Being drafted tho has a very very obvious basic prerequisite. It requires joining the military.

      “Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats, and has a mandatory draft because of them”

      A) Of course Israel has security threats, it has for 65 years been illegally acquiring and populating non-Israeli territory and attacking its neighbours. It’s quite logical to expect some quite violent forms of retaliation given that all legal channels have had little effect on the rogue state’s illegal expansionist policies and war mongering ways

      B) “mandatory” Is that one of the “many ways to serve that did not require joining the military”

      “The fact that there are sixty kids who are refusing to serve once again shows that Israel is a free and diverse country, a nuance lost on the BDS cult”

      Were they simply allowed to resist the draft without being punished you might have had a point. All nuance (and logic) is lost on apologists for Israel’s illegal expansionism.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 18, 2014, 6:37 am

      “Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats, and has a mandatory draft because of them.”

      Look, the reality is that the IDF is a massively overbloated army that creams far too much money and needs wars to justify the money.
      Gaza has no planes- how much does the IDF spend on Gaza every year?

      The entire secular Jewish youth of Israel is brainwashed to feed the IDF. It’s insane.

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 18, 2014, 8:00 am

        “Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats, and has a mandatory draft because of them.”

        Not totally right and not totally wrong; until now, its nemesis was fully a trained and experienced defense force only and since Israel learned its lesson, chances of another land invasion into Lebanon have been zero. But after Qusayr and Yabroud, it’s now a fully trained and experienced offensive force that could easily enter the Galilee. There’s a standing promise by Nasrallah of a cross-over and a visit to TA at the drop of a first Israeli bomb on Lebanon. As long as Israel keeps it in its pants, it’s under no threat from Lebanon.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 18, 2014, 9:48 am

        @Walid —

        Hezbollah probably has some working M-600s that Israel didn’t intercept. Let’s use your numbers. How many do you think they have? How many do you think they can actually get off the ground during a conflict without them being destroyed on ground, destroyed in flight or missing the target entirely? Is it more than 10? (My numbers I’d be shocked if they end up with more than 2 making it but I’ll use your numbers). Each carries at most a 450kg load, about the level of the truck bomb. That’s going to be hitting a population center that’s prepared for an airstrike so the death toll is likely rather low. Again your numbers.

        I’m hard pressed to see how this is a credible threat of anything other than Israel losing a few buildings. Unless you assume Hezbollah is going to have and is going to use a chemical tip. And in exchange it is now a missile war so Israel if they want gets to go on a turkey shoot against Lebanon. Where they have essentially unlimited Popeye class missiles with armor penetration. Lebanon is going to be facing the IDF’s artillery corps which have time and time again proven to be devastating.

        I for the life of me don’t understand why BDSers continue to have fantasies about how weak Israel is comparatively. In the real world Israel’s defense budget is over double the budget of Egypt, Syria, Jordan combined; $5b per yr every year in new equipment. Hezbollah has a fraction of any of these countries. The force quality is even higher on a dollar for dollar basis primarily because the advanced communication systems. Lebanon / Hezbollah would get crushed by Egypt or Syria or Jordan. Hezbollah certainly cannot beat Israel. Hezbollah while a really good terrorist organization is in a conventional war comparatively pathetic.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 18, 2014, 4:08 pm

        Jeff, habibi

        Yossi Israeli loves gore as long as nobody in an IDF uniform dies. No Ron Arad stuff. That is why Barak pulled out of Lebanon. Israel can’t do long stints in Lebanon any more. Kill enough givatis and Yossi will be on the streets protesting,

      • Walid
        Walid
        March 18, 2014, 4:32 pm

        Jeff, Hizbullah is a resistance force and not a conventional army and it doesn’t fight as one. All the numbers and the superior Israeli equipment you listed become redundant in fighting an underground force. Nonetheless, it still took out one of Israel’s finest and most modern destroyers in 2006, the Hanit. They missed the ship’s critical weak point by 3 or 4 meters which prevented its total sinking, but it still sent it into dry dock at Haifa for 3-years worth of repairs from the hit by the shore to ship missile fired on it. I have no idea what Hizbullah has, and I’m guessing like everyone else so I’m sorry I can’t answer your questions.

      • talknic
        talknic
        March 18, 2014, 4:32 pm

        JeffB “My numbers I’d be shocked if they end up with more than 2 making it …”

        WOW, that’s some existential threat isn’t it. Zionutters seem to have a way of ruining their own arguments.

        “Hezbollah while a really good terrorist organization is in a conventional war comparatively pathetic.”

        Is that why Israel achieved NONE of its objectives in the last war with Hezbollah?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        March 18, 2014, 10:31 am

        Israel as an individual – a deeply psychotic homeowner with chronic violent symptoms who has never been arrested despite years of abuse of his neighbours because the police department is sponsored by his cousin in DC.

        Complains everyone hates him. Owns 50,000 firearms which he refuses to register. Children are home schooled and weird.

        Tortures kids in the basement and has people chained in a fenced off area out the back. Says he needs guns to feel safe.

        Big picture of Scarlett Johanssen in the front window but the yard looks very neglected.

        Needs a haircut.

      • JeffB
        JeffB
        March 18, 2014, 8:31 pm

        @Walid

        Up a level.

        Jeff, Hizbullah is a resistance force and not a conventional army and it doesn’t fight as one. All the numbers and the superior Israeli equipment you listed become redundant in fighting an underground force.

        You can’t have it both ways here. since Israel learned its lesson, chances of another land invasion into Lebanon have been zero. But after Qusayr and Yabroud, it’s now a fully trained and experienced offensive force that could easily enter the Galilee. There’s a standing promise by Nasrallah of a cross-over and a visit to TA at the drop of a first Israeli bomb on Lebanon. As long as Israel keeps it in its pants, it’s under no threat from Lebanon.

        What you were describing in the first post is a land invasion with missile support that’s conventional army stuff not resistance force stuff. Resistance forces are capable of some harassing invading troops and some terrorism. Hezbollah is an excellent resistance force, no question they are really good at annoying armies including the IDF. But actually sending large numbers of troops across a border to do things like take the Galilee or to actually bomb Tel Aviv in any meaningful sense doing real structural and economic damage to the infrastructure and/or killing large numbers of people gets you back into normal army stuff. And then those counts matter.

        As an aside I think Hezbollah has moved up from a simple resistance force to the quality of a mediocre army. That’s why for example they are useful for Assad in Syria right now. If they were just a resistance force what would they do, harass the rebels by taking pot shots at them when they pass? But… contrary to the fantasy world on MW and in BDS the IDF is an excellent army not mediocre in any way. A regional power superior to Iran which is the sponsor of Hezbollah’s sponsor. The M-600s that Nasrallah is so excited about is a cheap Iranian knockoff of the MGM-140 which is an 1980s missile that Israel I’m sure has in essentially unlimited quantities and might not even bother to use. In real life the two armies aren’t remotely matched.

        Which is not to say that Hezbollah can’t be annoying, they are awesomely annoying. But it is to say Hezbollah can’t stop the IDF from doing whatever they want, and Hezbollah isn’t taking any territory anywhere outside a Lebanese population center from the IDF for more than a few hours and even that at very high cost in lives.

    • talknic
      talknic
      March 18, 2014, 8:11 am

      hophmi “Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats”

      Yes indeed, it threatens Palestinians, Syrians, Lebanese, Iranians and no doubt if it doesn’t get its way it threatens to start a war the US can’t help but become involved in.

      It’s strange some folk, especially idiotic supporters of Israel’s expansionist policies, can’t see that no matter how much neighbouring territory one takes for alleged security, you’re still gonna have neighbours and they are gonna be more p*ssed off the more you take. Furthermore if you populate it with your own citizens then it is blatantly OBVIOUS it ISN’T for security!

      It would seem the Israeli government depends on people with the least intelligence to support it.

    • American
      American
      March 18, 2014, 9:08 am

      ‘Look, the reality is that Israel has real security threats,’…hoppie

      Whatever threats Israel has it brought on itself.
      May it live in interesting times.
      And get its just deserts.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      March 18, 2014, 10:51 am

      “So while her blunt language (as Israeli language often is) is jarring to the delicate ears of a Westerner,”

      Oh, fuck off. (Is that blunt enough??) No one is reacting to her bluntness, but the substance of her statement.

  5. piotr
    piotr
    March 17, 2014, 5:38 pm

    Even if you have Orwellian inclinations, it is a strange accusation. “Treachery”, “spitting in the face of all their colleagues”, “sawing (through?) the branch upon which we all sit”, but “declaration of war”? This is weird. Actually, not weird but simply showing low level of communication skills, using the first locution that is remotely related to the topic at hand. To suggest a more felicitous turn of phrase one can study our politicians faced with a perceived insult to national honor, but quite a bit short of war. That happened when Russia refused to deliver a fugitive citizen of USA back to the loving bosom of his mother country.

    “They’re always putting their finger in our eye,” said Schumer. … The Arizona senator [McCain] called Putin’s refusal to expel Snowden “a direct slap in the face to America.” In another interview, “Russia has stabbed us in the back and each day that Mr. Snowden is allowed to roam free is another twist of the knife,” Schumer said.

    PS. It is worth to notice that a refusal to serve in IDF by 60 NON-HAREDI citizens of Israel is newsworthy.

    • LeaNder
      LeaNder
      March 18, 2014, 6:22 am

      I read Moriel Rothman’s article a couple of days ago on +972, and took the advice to watch the confrontation of one of these refuseniks on a Israeli talk show: How can you tell that Israeli refuseniks are scaring the system?

      Strictly I wonder if any of the elders writing comments here, remember such heavy confrontations in the sixties. I vaguely remember the type of questions these conscientious objectors had to confront.

      Intuitively I would suggest “sawing off the branch …”, but I also wonder if it couldn’t stand alone too. Sawing is both transitive and intransitive, strictly the branch is already the object.

  6. lonely rico
    lonely rico
    March 17, 2014, 8:09 pm

    @ hophmi

    … no one is declaring war on anybody in Israel.

    Not quite true – The zionist state of Israel declared war and has been conducting war on the Palestinians since the get-go, and even before.
    This has involved much murder and destruction, theft and ugliness, which continues as I write : 18 – 20 Palestinians killed, hundreds injured, almost all unarmed, since the beginning of January 2014 !
    The horror.

  7. DICKERSON3870
    DICKERSON3870
    March 17, 2014, 11:04 pm

    RE: “If they endorse ways of peace, they should not act in ways of war. What they do when they declare themselves to be draft refusers amounts in fact to a declaration of war.” ~ Gal Yoseph

    MY COMMENT: Yoseph’s comment reminds me of this classic line spoken by President Merkin Muffley in Dr. Strangelove (1964).

    “Gentlemen. You can’t fight in here. This is the War Room!” [VIDEO, 00:36] – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

  8. chuckcarlos
    chuckcarlos
    March 18, 2014, 6:21 am

    cut em loose

    thought ny city and dc were insular but these guys like to live a dark dank cave…

    cut em loose

    the usa shares NO common values with these current goons in israel…

    cut em loose

    they’re not parasites, after all…are they? they can stand on their own, can’t they?

  9. just
    just
    March 18, 2014, 6:21 am

    ““If they endorse ways of peace, they should not act in ways of war. What they do when they declare themselves to be draft refusers amounts in fact to a declaration of war.””– ‘Annie, Git Yer Gun and War On, Gal’

    I would urge the students of Israel to elect a new leader– perhaps they can find someone who has a brain. That is one of the stupidest declarations that I have ever read.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      March 18, 2014, 6:38 am

      “– perhaps they can find someone who has a brain”

      they’ll have to go the Diaspora, I’m afraid

    • justicewillprevail
      justicewillprevail
      March 18, 2014, 2:57 pm

      Wow, if this student leader reflects Israeli education, they are in a bad way indeed. Moronic repetition, a la Scarlett Johansson, of what your elders tell you, and a complete lack of understanding of the point being made, or its context, doesn’t sound like someone who has a mind of their own. Still, lots of points to be collected for a career later. Never mind Stepford wives, this is Stepford children. Tomorrow belongs to them. Oh yes.

  10. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    March 18, 2014, 9:52 am

    “I refuse to make cannon fodder of other human beings.” This is a declaration of war? Or of surrender — because, as all know, Israel is surrounded by enemies who desire its demise and will be powerful enough to bring it about UNLESS all Israeli kids serve in the military — in which case, surely, Israel will prevail. Or something. (Oh, yes, and Israel’s nukes. Tiddly-pom. Pocketa-pocketa-pocketa-queep.)

  11. German Lefty
    German Lefty
    March 18, 2014, 5:23 pm

    Too bad. She looks so cute and innocent. Außen hui, innen pfui!

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