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This is part of Marc H. Ellis’s “Exile and the Prophetic” feature for Mondoweiss. To read the entire series visit the archive page.

The skies are once again darkening over Palestine. As if it wasn’t dark enough.

With three Israeli teenagers missing and presumed kidnapped, Israel has unleashed its usual backlash against Palestinians. It’s overkill. Time to teach Palestinians yet another lesson on who is the boss.

The days ahead promise more of the same and – God forbid – the teenagers aren’t found alive, it’s anyone’s guess what will happen then.

The problem as always is the power disparity and the occupation itself. But in the rush to judgment all of that is left behind. The issue becomes the kidnapping of the innocent.

In occupation, the innocent suffer. Can it only be Palestinians who suffer?

There is a cost to occupation. Even the powerful have to pay a price. Jews have to pay a price – when they’re occupiers.

Missing Jews are a terrible to price to pay. But, then, Israeli jails are filled with “missing” Palestinians.

As usual ,the ratio of missing Jews and Palestinians is telling. No one wants to compare the missing – every missing person is a horror – but again the disparity is telling. Does this disparity signal the presumed worthiness of Jewish and Palestinian lives?

Missing too are Jewish ethics in Israel and elsewhere. The outrage about missing Jews – if it was only matched for missing Palestinians. One looks in vain for this outrage. Which itself is an outrage.

The shared intelligence, the Palestinian Authority’s willingness to devote its resources to find the missing Israelis, is commendable. If truth be told, however, the Palestinian Authority’s energy would be better spent searching for their own soul. That soul seems to be missing too.

Perhaps both could be done at the same time: searching for the teenagers and telling Israel to back out of its territory, never to return.

So return the missing – on all sides. Including the land and ethics and service to one’s own people.

When all the missing are returned then we could begin again. A fresh start, honoring all the missing, which, in justice, would be returned.

Marc H. Ellis
About Marc H. Ellis

Marc H. Ellis is Professor of History and Jewish Studies and Director of the Center for the Study of the Global Prophetic. His latest book is Finding Our Voice: Embodying the Prophetic and Other Misadventures.

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  1. just
    just
    June 15, 2014, 11:23 am

    I was with you until:

    “If truth be told, however, the Palestinian Authority’s energy would be better spent searching for their own soul. That soul seems to be missing too.”.

    It seems that you are trying to somehow achieve “balance”. imho, you failed.

    Same old technique of slyly blaming the victims. (though you tried to blame the PA rather than all Palestinians)

    • Kris
      Kris
      June 15, 2014, 1:03 pm

      @just, I don’t think Marc Ellis is trying to achieve “balance” here, I think he’s pointing out that the P.A. is complicit in perpetuating Israel’s abuse of the Palestinians, which is true.

      P.A. President Mahmoud Abbas, who isn’t even legitimately in office, since his term ran out years ago, refuses to go to the International Criminal Court no matter what Israel does to the Palestinians.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        June 15, 2014, 6:22 pm

        @ Kris
        not to mention, Abbas says his job is to provide security for Israel with his native Palestinian cops, which job he says is a “sacred” duty. Kapo anyone?

    • lyn117
      lyn117
      June 15, 2014, 4:58 pm

      Just, in this case I think the “balance” is warranted.

      I don’t know that the settler teens are innocent, however. I suppose they should be considered “innocent until proven guilty” of anything worse than illegal settlement activity (which would in my judgement deserve hefty fines paid by their parents if they are under-age, until the situation is rectified, not imprisonment, “kidnapping,” or death).

  2. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    June 15, 2014, 11:31 am

    According to Richard Silverstein the boys went missing in territory controlled by Israel so why isn’t the IDF being held responsible for keeping them safe? And yes I know the answer to that one.

    Some should photo shop three missing Palestinian teens in that picture and change nothing else.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 15, 2014, 11:47 am

      The IDF is totally incompetent, don’t you know? They have itchy fingers on snipers that seem to slip and pull the trigger, resulting in the deaths of innocent unarmed kids. They also have a problem of vision – they do not see the harassment or crimes against Palestinians by their settler thugs. They seem to not be that intelligent when it comes to check points, they have killed pregnant women, children, and even a Jordianian judge.
      They also have a certain meanness to them:
      “http://newint.org/blog/2011/07/13/palestine-birth-at-checkpoint/

    • concernedhuman
      concernedhuman
      June 15, 2014, 2:23 pm

      The whole Isreali government is trying shift the blame on PA(PA-Hamas Unity ).
      Its like some thing cooked up to blame (PA-HamasUnity)

      Who has a better intelligence (Tapping cellphones ,spying on data — Spy drones etc)Apparatus ,PA or Israel? Off course israel. —

      Who has better security (check posts at every corner ) Off course israel.

      Who knew there have been attempts to take israelis hostage? Israel

      It is a clear intelligence and security failure on part of israel and israel is brushing it off blaming PA-Hamas.

      Israelis should ask their government why did israel fail to prevent it ,instead of being sheep and repeating what netnyahu says .

    • Shingo
      Shingo
      June 15, 2014, 7:04 pm

      According to Richard Silverstein the boys went missing in territory controlled by Israel so why isn’t the IDF being held responsible for keeping them safe?

      They’re too busy shooting Palestinian children, conducting night time raids, and protecting settlement expansion to be doing that.

    • Accentitude
      Accentitude
      June 16, 2014, 2:09 am

      Exactly. The teens went missing in Area C which constitutes approximately 62% of the West Bank and is under FULL Israeli control. In other words, It’s the PA’s no man’s land. They have no authority in those areas, no control, no jurisdiction, their police are not even allowed to enter said areas unless they coordinate with their Israeli counterparts and receive approval ahead of time. Netanyahu is quick to blame Abbas, pointing out the he is “responsible” and many in media and in the international community, including John Kerry, have vocally expressed that Abbas and the Palestinian Authority should support efforts to find these boys. I say that is complete rubbish. Israel’s negligence is what led to these boys being “kidnapped” (if they were kidnapped). Israel conducts kidnappings of Palestinian kids every single night; pulled from their beds in the middle of the night dragged away, tortured and held in administrative detention. Who is holding Netanyahu responsible for their lives? Who is asking the Israeli government to #BringBackOurBoys? This whole situation reeks of double standards and hypocrisy.I’m not shedding any tears for these kids, not while Israel continues to perpetrate serious human rights violations under this disgusting occupation with total impunity.

  3. Kay24
    Kay24
    June 15, 2014, 11:38 am

    Charles Osgood on CBS Sunday Morning, mentioned this story, as headlines, and on CNN there was major reference to the situation on their running tickers. It mentions the three boys missing, one an American Israeli kid, and the threats by Netanyahu.

    If only they covered the tragic deaths of 2 Palestinian kids during the Nakba protests, and you have got to wonder why it hardly got mentioned, or the fact that the autopsy shows one kid was indeed murdered and it was not the rubber bullets (as claimed by the murderers) that killed him. No follow up, no video disputing Israeli lies, and brutal killings or kidnapping of little children, who are thrown into jails, are ever mentioned in the US media. Yeah, everything is one sided, and only Israeli lives are precious. Innocent Palestinians are going to feel the wrath of the zionists, for the so called kidnapping of these three kids, and at this stage, no one really knows who did it, and where they are. Israel has predictably taken advantage of a bad situation, and pounded parts of Gaza, and many have been arrested over this. Would Israelis have been okay if Tel Aviv got pounded, in retaliation for the deaths of Palestinians, going on often, including the killing of a Jordanian judge, or is retaliation, only entitled to Israelis? I guess their sense of entitlement, arrogance, and vindictiveness, knows no limits or bounds.

    • just
      just
      June 15, 2014, 11:42 am

      Meanwhile, Israel is doing what they do best: meting out collective punishment:

      “BETHLEHEM (Ma’an) — Israel has started calling up reserve soldiers to deploy in the southern West Bank amid a search for three missing teens, an army spokesperson said Sunday.

      An Israeli military spokeswoman told Ma’an that the army was “in the process of recruiting a very limited number of reserve duty personnel,” without elaborating.

      The Israeli news site Ynet said that over 2,500 Israeli soldiers were stationed in the Hebron area, and that their presence would increase following the addition of reservists and battalions being called up from outside the West Bank.”

      http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=704986

      Round the clock raids, arrests of at least 80 Palestinians overnight, airstrikes, closures in/out, etc.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 15, 2014, 11:50 am

        The irony is, no one really knows EXACTLY what the real story is, at this point. Still, it is typical Bibi bull in the china shop reaction to this situation, and how many Palestinians will die, be injured, or tortured, before the real story is out? Israel overreacting is almost predictable.
        If the situation was reversed, the Palestinians would dare not react this way, or else!

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        June 15, 2014, 1:00 pm

        One might argue that the Palestinians did react that way and beyond: by launching a terror-intifada “because” of Ariel Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount. But no, Arafat and his crew had that matter planned out months earlier, “because” something had been wrong with Israel’s peace proposal at Camp David. How many Israelis died and were injured as a result are in fact known, whereas your statement about what’s coming oozes prejudgment.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        June 15, 2014, 6:03 pm

        “terror-intifada”? It was Israel’s terrorists who started shooting, injuring and killing Palestinians with more than a million bullets.
        http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/more-than-a-million-bullets-1.127053

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 15, 2014, 7:06 pm

        . But no, Arafat and his crew had that matter planned out months earlier, “because” something had been wrong with Israel’s peace proposal at Camp David.

        That rubbish has been even debunked by the Israelis. After all, the peace talks did not end at Camp David, but continued at Taba 6 months later – a fact you Zionuts try so hard to erase from history.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 15, 2014, 7:51 pm

        There were a number of factors involved in the outbreak of the second intifada: 1. the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon (retreat really) made the Palestinians believe that Israel was a spider web that could be wiped away and thus there was a belief that violence would cause the Zionists to leave.
        2.Arafat’s corruption and lack of delivery of promises created a situation where there was no leadership to hold the Palestinians back. 3. The Camp David meetings resulted in “failure”. This “failure” is in quotation marks. My impression of what happened at Camp David is not the same as it was 14 years ago right after it occurred. Barak offered the world. Arafat refused it and started an intifada is too simple and not what occurred. But the vacuum created by the Camp David non good result is a key to the dynamics of the moment of the outbreak of the intifada.
        4. mention must be made of the many youths that were shot and killed by the IDF merely for having slingshots in their hands. 5. Sharon lit the fuse of the powder keg. The powder keg was created by frustration and a misreading of Israeli weakness and the vacuum created in the aftermath of Camp David.

        postscript: One might say that the withdrawal from Gaza was an accomplishment of the second intifada and as such it was not a misreading of Israeli weakness but an inexact reading of Israeli weakness. it could be that the second intifada changed Israel and this more inward Israel is less likely to make the compromises that would help it survive and so in the long range this might be to the Palestinian advantage. who knows the future?

      • Accentitude
        Accentitude
        June 16, 2014, 2:16 am

        “Prejudgement” is when you blame Hamas for kidnapping the kids without any evidence and before beginning your investigation. “Prejudgement” is when you lock down the entire West Bank and run through the lives of Palestinians with a fine tooth comb when you have no idea who the kidnapper is but nevertheless put the blame on Palestinians. Israel has a history of “Prejudgement” of Palestinians much like they issued a “Prejudgement” absolving the Israeli Defense Force of wrong-doing in the deaths of two Palestinian kids murdered in cold blood on video near Ofer Prison. Israel “Prejudged” that these two kids weren’t killed by Israeli soldiers and maintained this position even after an international team of forensic doctors exhumed the dead and concluded that they were indeed killed by Israeli soldiers.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 12:00 pm

        Bibi has already blamed Hamas for the ‘kidnapping’ even though Hamas barely has a presence in the West Bank.

        Does anyone else suspect that this may be used as the pretext for the 3rd Intifadah Bibi has been dying to unleash for years now?

      • annie
        annie
        June 15, 2014, 12:11 pm

        Does anyone else suspect that this may be used as the pretext for the 3rd Intifadah

        count me in. and for about a dozen other reasons. did you read this: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.598751

        Mossad chief’s chillingly prescient kidnap prophecy

        Ten days ago, at a security cabinet meeting, Mossad Chief Tamir Pardo outlined a scenario spookily similar to the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens missing since Thursday night.

        “What will you do if in a week three 14-year-old girls will be kidnapped from one of the settlements?,” he asked. “Will you say there is a law, and we don’t release terrorists?”

        yeah, another coincidence.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 12:22 pm

        Wow. No, I hadn’t read that.

        The Guardian – which as I said below is terribly fretful over these 3 ‘boys’ – has reported:’

        ”One of several claims of responsibility for the kidnapping came from a group that said it was linked to an al-Qaida splinter group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant,”

        Now, wouldn’t that be oh so convenient? The Islamic bogey man du jour has its fangs into the West Bank too? A group that nobody ever heard of just so happens to pop up now? What impeccable timing!

      • annie
        annie
        June 15, 2014, 12:34 pm

        ah, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant. of course. they were quite helpful wrt our war efforts in iraq back in the day. of course there was no AQ in iraq before we got there. somehow saddam was able to stamp down all those religious wackjobs while he was in charge. i wonder what he knew about security we’ve never been able to figure out.

        anyway, there’s a (OT) question i posed to people downthread. any ideas?

      • just
        just
        June 15, 2014, 12:12 pm

        yes.

        Annie, I read about the ‘coincidence’ this morning.

        Par for the course.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 15, 2014, 12:14 pm

        I say highly possible. He salivates at the chance.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 1:24 pm

        He’s not just salivating.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 15, 2014, 2:05 pm

        “Does anyone else suspect that this may be used as the pretext for the 3rd Intifadah Bibi has been dying to unleash for years now?” MDM

        Does anyone else suspect these three are sitting comfortably in Vegas on a 4 week all in trip of a lifetime to be “found” at a later date.Perhaps after that long sought after 3rd Intifada” has started.

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        June 15, 2014, 6:31 pm

        All i know is that the three missing Israeli Jews is all over the cable TV news network. Never seen anything remotely like this about missing or mistreated Palestinian kids, nor even American kids abused by Israel, e.g., Rachel Corrie, or the Turkish American kid on the boat murdered point blank, or the Jewish American artist girl left with one eye, or that other American kid, what’s his name….etc.

  4. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 15, 2014, 11:50 am

    The media response to this ‘kidnapping’ – of course we have no idea if it is anything of the sort – is so infuriating.

    The Guardian – which never EVER reports the Palestinian kids who are kidnapped by Israel, has had a different prominently placed article every day from the time this story broke, offering the Israeli perspective that these boys were ‘abducted’ without any evidence to support it, and failing of course to provide the ‘balance’ they so painstakingly do on the rare occasions they bother to report Palestinian deaths.

    ”With three Israeli teenagers missing and presumed kidnapped,”

    Why ‘presumed kidnapped’? Teenage boys can go missing for all sorts of reasons. They could have had an accident. They could have just run off for a lark. And yes, they could have been kidnapped – but if so, how are you so sure the kidnappers were Palestinians and not some of their fellow colonists?

    ”The shared intelligence, the Palestinian Authority’s willingness to devote its resources to find the missing Israelis, is commendable.”

    Given that the boys went missing in Israeli controlled areas, why is this ‘commendable’?

    ”The issue becomes the kidnapping of the innocent.”

    Again, we don’t know these boys were ‘kidnapped’. And are you also so sure they’re ‘innocent’? They live in an illegal squat, we know that, though in fairness you might say they’re too young to be criminally responsible for that. At least one of them, however, does seem old enough to be an IDF conscript. Do you know if that is the case? And many squatter teens harass and physically intimidate Palestinians? Again, how are you sure these boys are innocent of any of these crimes?

    ”Does this disparity signal the presumed worthiness of Jewish and Palestinian lives?”

    You seriously need to ask this question? Of course it does.

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 15, 2014, 12:33 pm

      That is exactly my point. NO ONE knows where those boys are, or even if they are kidnapped. No one can trust Bibi at this stage, he is gung ho about attacking Gaza, and making the Palestinians pay in every way he can think of, so that they will once again bear the brunt of Bibi wrath. What if they are safe somewhere, would be see Bibi on his knees apologizing for this overreaction or overkill? With Israel, anything is possible, even a false flag incident, to get those precision bombs going.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 12:42 pm

        I wouldn’t rule out a false flag either. What’s a few kids in the life of the state eh?

        Surely if any Palestinian group had managed to net such a prize – 3 Israeli males, one an American dual citizen – they’d be itching to tell the world about it asap? It’s been 2 days since the ‘boys’ went missing, plenty of time for them to be taken to whatever hide-out they were keeping them in? And I really don’t buy the theory that the ‘boys’ have been taken to Jordon or, even more absurdly, Gaza. Think how closely the IDF police the ‘borders’. Are we really supposed to believe that Palestinians, who can barely get to hospital or visit a relative without IDF harassment, could somehow take 3 Israeli men across a ‘border’?

        Please. And while we’re at it, given how closely the OPT are surveiled and policed, and that the ‘boys’ disappeared in an area entirely under Israeli control, how likely is it that they could have ‘disappeared without trace’? There are also reports that even though one of the ‘kidnapped boys’ tried to call the police on the night they disappeared, the search for them didn’t start until the next day.

        You don’t have to be a conspiracy theorist to think there’s something fishy going on here.

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 15, 2014, 1:15 pm

        All good points MDM, something is not right here, and it is too soon for anyone to come to any conclusion, and act violently because of that.

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        June 15, 2014, 1:37 pm

        I thought to wax sarcastic about your post but I’ve learned from MW among others that sarcasm is merely an excuse for lack of facts and/or argumentation. So ….
        First, “disappearing” people in this manner is too easy to describe. MW aside, PA residents are *not* restricted in the use of Highway 60 except where it crosses into sovereign Israel. From the Etzion Bloc to, say, Samu’ is all of a 35-minute drive. There is only one permanent checkpoint on the way. It is not always manned, and when manned it does not always stop PA vehicles routinely. This has of course changed now. The next time I reveal a non-native Hebrew accent at a checkpoint, I d**ned well want the soldiers to work me over to their satisfaction.
        As for hitchhiking, it’s a cultural statement in these teens’ circles. They circulate freely (and for free) and drivers do their share as a kindness or a moral obligation. I take part in this but in a way that’s been criticized: no teenager gets into my car until I’ve heard his Hebrew accent, and when I am offered a ride, I demand the same of the driver. They think I’m weird, culturally misaligned, or “leftist.” I bet they won’t anymore.
        To wit: don’t look for a false flag when the true one is flapping you in the face.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 2:06 pm

        ”First, “disappearing” people in this manner is too easy to describe. ”

        Really? Then you must greatly admire Palestinian restraint. Subjected to endless harassment, abuse and land theft by squatters, they still refrain from ‘kidnapping’ anyone, even though it would be like taking candy from a baby?

        And since this kidnapping lark is so easy, how are you so sure that the alleged kidnappers weren’t Israelis?

        ”PA residents are *not* restricted in the use of Highway 60 except where it crosses into sovereign Israel”

        Who decides where ‘soverign Israel’ begins and ends, what with Israel never having declared its borders and all that?

        ” The next time I reveal a non-native Hebrew accent at a checkpoint, I d**ned well want the soldiers to work me over to their satisfaction.”

        And now you reveal the racism inherent in Zionism. So anyone who’s a ‘non-native’ Hebrew speaker is automatically suspect, even when living in their OWN land. And native Hebrew speakers are, of course, purer than the driven snow.

        ”To wit: don’t look for a false flag when the true one is flapping you in the face”

        Really? Where’s the claim of responsibility? The photos of the captive ‘boys’? The ransom demand?

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 2:53 pm

        “..no teenager gets into my car until I’ve heard his Hebrew accent, and when I am offered a ride, I demand the same of the driver.”

        Because Jews are never murdered or raped or robbed by other Jews.

      • Abierno
        Abierno
        June 15, 2014, 3:06 pm

        Adding to your comment – it is know reported in Haaretz that one of the boys called the police hotline at 10:25 to say he had been kidnapped. Parents called later but nothing was done until 7 hours later. Given that police, IDF. and IOF appear to have regular nightly operations in the territories, this doesn’t make sense. Gag orders are in place to restrict information dissemination. All of this occurs when Netanyahu has attenuating support from his own party (Rivlen election); is facing a unified , technocratic government in Gaza/Palestine which is adhering to Quartet dictum (and recognized internationally and by US; has over 100. Palestinian prisoners on the verge of death (none of whom have been charged as pointed out by Ki-Moon) and has most recently capitulated to euro dictates to back off on settlement housing. Considerable speculation has been put forth as to how long his government can survive. Across the Internet and in Israel, these questions are being raised in comments.

        Perhaps we will never know exactly what happened. Even the most cynical commentators as do I want to see these young men returned to their families alive and well. However, international as well as Israeli responses leave no doubt that relative to Israeli youth’s lives, Palestinian youth and children’ s lives are valued far less, if not at a level of no consequence. This only exacerbates the horror of the situation.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 3:54 pm

        @abierno

        ”However, international as well as Israeli responses leave no doubt that relative to Israeli youth’s lives, Palestinian youth and children’ s lives are valued far less, if not at a level of no consequence. This only exacerbates the horror of the situation.”

        Agree completely, and said so below. It makes me really, really, angry.

        I mean, for the Israelis to treat Palestinians as sub-human is par for the course. But it’s truly sickening to see the world’s media do the same. We’ve got detailed, regularly updated articcles on this ‘abduction’, complete with maps and photos of the missing teens. Naturally, only the Israeli perspective is emphasised, with little attempt to ‘balance’ the narrative by talking of the HUNDREDS of Palestinian children kidnapped by the Israelis.

        But really, I shouldn’t be surprised. It’s all so reminiscent of the ‘kidnapping’ of Gilad Shalit eight years ago. Non-stop coverage, interviews with the parents, talk of how all Israel ‘feared’ for him. You would swear he was Nelson Mandela, not a grunt whose job it was to fire tank guns at an occupied people.

        And, of course, nary a mention of the THOUSANDS of Palestinians kidnapped and detained by Israel. Of course not.

      • June 16, 2014, 8:45 am

        Yes. A very common occurrence for someone that has been kidnapped to call a police hotline and report his kidnapping. Yet for nobody to hear from the kidnappers with any demands or credit taking. No need to question this aspect of the story

    • Naftush
      Naftush
      June 15, 2014, 1:10 pm

      No evidence of abduction? Well, one of the kids managed to call Israel Police and report having been abducted, but never mind, everyone knows the settlers lie. One of them may be old enough to be a conscript, eh? Well, there you have it: he may also be a highly trained pathological killer; as evidence, one can’t prove that he isn’t. And let’s first speculate that the three of them harassed Palestinians — after all, you can’t prove they didn’t, and even if they didn’t, others did, so these three are representative of the class.
      May you never, ever be abducted….

      • annie
        annie
        June 15, 2014, 1:14 pm

        One of them may be old enough to be a conscript, eh? Well, there you have it

        hm,i read yesterday one is in the special forces and another is a paratrooper. who knows! look on the bright side, at least i’m not going on national television and claiming a dead body has been faked. it’s not as tho there is a video of the kidnapping and i am going on national sunday morning talk shows claiming it is “_ _ _ywood.”

        but never mind, everyone knows the settlers lie.

        everyone knows governments carry out psyops operations. maybe they’re just doing their jobs.

      • Blownaway
        Blownaway
        June 15, 2014, 4:17 pm

        I’m not going to get into the kidnapping of settlers who by their very existence are responsible for the torment of Palestinains.mor the rounding up of the usual suspects. Or the army terrorizing an entire city. What I’m most interested in is the hysterical reaction to the kidnapping ago an American because he is Jewish and the lack of care for Furkan Dogan an American citizen executed by Israeli soldiers because he was Muslim

      • Citizen
        Citizen
        June 15, 2014, 6:39 pm

        @ Blownaway
        Yes. The US cable tv news is all over this case, but they never gave a peep about Dogan. What the hell, they never gave a peep about Rachel Corrie either.

      • Denis
        Denis
        June 16, 2014, 12:37 am

        annie: “i read yesterday one is in the special forces and another is a paratrooper. ”

        Uh . . . Eyal Yifrah is 19, Gil-Ad Shaer is 16, and Naftali Frenkel is 16.

        So what you’re putting down here is that one or both of the 16 year olds is either in the special forces or is a paratrooper. Assuming at the very least a year for basic and specialty training, they would have enlisted at 15.

        Seem unlikely, eh? Conscription age in Israel is 18.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 8:59 am

        denis, no, i am not “putting down” anything. other than that is what i read. but i have as much reason to believe it as i do the allegation the youths were kidnapped. which is .. no reason other than that is what i read.

        check out cnn: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/16/world/meast/west-bank-jewish-teens-missing/

        Jerusalem (CNN) — Israeli soldiers have so far detained more than 150 Palestinian suspects in the search for three teenagers who Israel says were kidnapped, the military announced Sunday.

        ccn has not confirmed it either. here’s more:

        One of the three boys is a dual Israeli-American citizen, according to CNN affiliate Channel 10 Israel, which attributed the information to a source at Netanyahu’s office. Israeli and U.S. officials have not publicly confirmed the report.

        and i am really not impressed israel has used this alleged kidnapping to carry out their agenda to punish palestinians for the unity government: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/17/world/middleeast/israel-demands-abbas-help-after-abductions.html?_r=0

        Many of the arrests are not directly connected to the search for the missing teenagers but aimed at applying pressure on Hamas, …… Israeli ministers were due to convene on Monday afternoon to consider further measures against Hamas, including the deportation of members to the Gaza Strip, the destruction of activists’ homes and cutting off funding of affiliated charities and organizations.

        i mean gee, doesn’t that sound exactly like something israel wanted to do last week? even before the alleged kidnapping?

        Among those detained in the latest sweep was the Hamas-affiliated speaker of the Palestinian Parliament, which has not met in years……“The consequences of the partnership with Hamas must be understood,” Mr. Netanyahu told Mr. Abbas, according to a statement from his office. “It is bad for Israel, bad for the Palestinians, and bad for the region.”

        and what are the “consequences of the partnership with Hamas”? raids, killings deportations…as the world sits by passively and assumes it is retribution for a kidnapping? nah, i don’t buy it.

        and the flaming car had all the markings of a staged event (burning cars also happens to be something some settlers in that region excel at)

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 1:20 pm

        ”Well, one of the kids managed to call Israel Police and report having been abducted, but never mind, everyone knows the settlers lie.”

        Of course, the only source for that claim is the Israeli govt, who certainly do lie. And if the boy claimed to be abducted, why did the police not bother mounting a search until the following morning?

        ” One of them may be old enough to be a conscript, eh? Well, there you have it: he may also be a highly trained pathological killer; as evidence, one can’t prove that he isn’t. ”

        My point was that the author is claiming these young men are ‘innocent’, but given that they squat on stolen land, and that settler ‘youths’ have a terrible record for harassing and injuring Palestinians, I’m not sure we can make that assumption. And btw do you get so upset when Palestinians the same age or younger are abducted by the IDF? Or maybe you’re not even aware of it, as the press mostly doesn’t consider them worthy of reporting.

        After all, they’re not real people like Israelis.

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 15, 2014, 2:39 pm

        “After all, they’re not real people like Israelis.” MDM

        Correction, (if I may) !!.

        “After all , they are not real people like Israeli Jews.

      • Dutch
        Dutch
        June 15, 2014, 6:06 pm

        @ MDM
        ‘My point was that the author is claiming these young men are ‘innocent’, but given that they squat on stolen land, and that settler ‘youths’ have a terrible record for harassing and injuring Palestinians, I’m not sure we can make that assumption.’

        If these boys live in the Westbank there is nothing innocent about them.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 1:28 pm

        But Naftush, how do we know that they’re really kidnapped? Couldn’t this be a performance just like the ones those Palestinians put on? Maybe these guys are just holed up somewhere with their girlfriends laughing at us.

        Sounds really nasty when the shoe’s on the other foot, eh?

      • amigo
        amigo
        June 15, 2014, 2:14 pm

        “No evidence of abduction? Well, one of the kids managed to call Israel Police and report having been abducted, ” naftush

        How did he do that.Did those dumb Palis forget to take away his mobile phone or any other equipment that might enable them to call .

        Those dumb Palis are just failures when it comes to kidnapping , eh Naftush.Not nearly as proficient as your idf thugs.

        I guess practice makes perfect.

        Question, Are all settlers (illegal) liars or do all settlers(illegal ) lie.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 15, 2014, 7:10 pm

        Well, one of the kids managed to call Israel Police and report having been abducted, but never mind, everyone knows the settlers lie.

        And ISIS as already claimed responsibility for the kidnappings, but Netenyahu seems more intent on pinning the blame on Hamas than securing their return.
        http://www.commdiginews.com/world-news/isis-responsible-for-kidnapping-american-israeli-teens-in-west-bank-19548/

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 10:57 am

        allegedly fatah linked group has claimed responsibility (also, i think ISIS has too). http://www.timesofisrael.com/fatah-linked-terrorists-claim-abduction-of-three-teenagers/

        there’s no compelling reason to believe anything that’s being reported. individual militias may be claiming responsibility just to look like ‘heroes’.

        and israel says it may “reestablish” targeted assassination program now. http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-could-kill-hamas-leaders-defense-minister-hints/#.U58A1CrvsnQ.tumblr

      • just
        just
        June 16, 2014, 11:14 am

        hocus pocus, bibbidi-bobbidi-boo, and supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 16, 2014, 9:05 pm

        allegedly fatah linked has claimed responsibility.

        It looks like Bibbi owes Hamas an apology.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 7:25 am

        Well, I’m sure after the Israelis bring the boys they murdered back from fhe dead I will have time to care that an occupier of Palestine and two future war criminals went missing.

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 15, 2014, 2:02 pm

      “And are you also so sure they’re ‘innocent’?”

      This is indeed a serious question. In general, the most innocent people of them all are “our soldiers”. Attacking or capturing them is the most heinous act one can imagine, to be persecuted with all methods Air Force, Army, Navy, Marines and so on can offer, and if we get the culprits alive, Gitmo! (or an Israeli equivalent). Civilians are less precious.

      That said, one would need to check if the boys intended to enlist, or to be “Torah scholar parasites”. But even if the boys had commendable military aspirations, boys are notorious for being miscreants. Kidnapping three boys from the side of a road in broad daylight should not be simple. So perhaps they hiked somewhere away from the highway.

      But this is inferior, doubt infested thinking. Now we already have the proof that Hamas was responsible, which makes the perpetrators on top of “heinous” scale and the victims similarly high on “innocent scale”. And how do we know it (or how does Netanyahu know)? Because almost all arrested Palestinians are Hamasniks, and IDF had to have good reasons.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 2:19 pm

        “And are you also so sure they’re ‘innocent’?”

        Now would be a good time to put the Dersh’s epic bit of sophistry to work, re: the Continuum of Civilianity. In it he argued that some civilians are not so innocent when they “allow” ne’er do wells to operate in their midst and do nothing about it. Or does that level of responsibility only apply to Arabs?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 2:50 pm

        Did Dersh make that ‘argument’? Interesting.

        Because surely, if you’re going to argue that some civilians are less civilian-ish than others, then ‘civilians’ living in illegal colonies on stolen land barely count as ‘civilians’ at all.

        One of the ‘boys’ allegedly abducted was 19. By just about any standards, that makes him an adult. He would certainly be old enough to serve in the IDF. If this person was knowingly living in, or even just ‘studying’ in, occupied territory, how can he be classed as ‘an innocent’?

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 4:19 pm

        He put his four brain cells together and came up with it as a way of exonerating Israel’s killing of civilians in Lebanon back in ’06 because, with the Dersh, it’s always about the Zionism.

        I would advise several stiff drinks before googling it.

      • Denis
        Denis
        June 16, 2014, 1:07 am

        MDM: One of the ‘boys’ allegedly abducted was 19. By just about any standards, that makes him an adult. He would certainly be old enough to serve in the IDF.

        Yes, sir. Or ma’am. Conscription age is 18. Maybe he was on leave, or maybe undercover.

        I think you’re on to something. The other two were 16 yo. And upthread annie tells us one of the three was a special forces guy and another of them was a paratrooper (not sure I know the difference). Or at least, that’s what she said she read.

        So I think it’s all coming together. Surely, this has “IDF” written all over it.

        I know, I know . . . quit calling you “Shirley.”

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 7:29 am

        @denis, The 19 year old had the option of moving back beyond the green line, and the two 16 year olds had the option of sitting in their homes and not contributing to the occupation until they turned 18 and moved back behind the green line. None of fhe 3 chose to respect Palestinian rights. So these are three occupiers. I will have time to worry about them after the Palestinians are liberated.

  5. annie
    annie
    June 15, 2014, 12:25 pm

    here’s something OT. i just didn’t know where to put it. just out of curiosity have you ever wondered how israel might go about subduing the palestine population in order to annex the territory? and at the same time subdue international outrage and mobilize the entirety of israeli society to back them in their efforts.

    how might they go about preparing for an operation like that, as opposed to outright starting a war like they did in ’67? to ensure the most passive response as well as getting the pa to bow to them most readily and even assist them in their efforts to pacify the population and round up scores of people who might otherwise be out on the streets or cause political resistance.

    anyway. i was just wondering and i thought this was as good a place to ask as any.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 15, 2014, 12:45 pm

      Surely Israel’s dilemma in the WB is that it wants the land, but not the people? IE, if it weren’t for the fact that the WB were populated by million of pesky Palestinians who have no place in the Jewish state, most of it would have been outright – as opposed to de facto – annexed decades ago?

      If we assume that Israel wants the whole pie, not just Area C, then the only option for them is the expulsion of the Palestinian population. All of them. I don’t think even Israel could get away with this under ‘normal’ circumstances, but perhaps under the cover of an all-out Middle Eastern war, probably involving Iran, nobody would notice the ethnic cleansing of a few million Palestinians? I suspect this may be Bibi’s ultimate aim.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 9:36 am

        If we assume that Israel wants the whole pie, not just Area C, then the only option for them is the expulsion of the Palestinian population. All of them.

        no that’s not true, and you’re missing the point. for one thing, obviously israel wants all of palestine and if expulsion of the whole population was an option israel would have done it a long time ago. so what’s the next best thing? completely surrounding the entire area and squeezing the population into massively dense population areas, which is what exists already and will just get worse. and what we’re seeing now is a model of what we can expect to see whenever israel wants to tighten the noose around palestine.

        this is exactly what israel has been wanting to do for awhile. take a look at this from june 3rd:

        http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/palestinian-netanyahu-congress.html

        all better now!

    • Naftush
      Naftush
      June 15, 2014, 1:11 pm

      Wow. A faked abduction as a pretext for the violent expulsion of millions? It didn’t happen in 1948-49 despite the invasion of five Arab armies. It didn’t happen in 1967 despite the tightening of a political and military noose by Arab states. It didn’t happen in 1988 despite the first intifada. It didn’t happen in 2002ff despite the second (terror) intifada. But you say it will happen now, linking your faux kidnapping with Iran.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 1:24 pm

        ”Wow. A faked abduction as a pretext for the violent expulsion of millions?”

        Wow. An inability to read. Mind pointing out where I made such a claim?

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 1:35 pm

        You do know that those FIVE Arab armies did not out number the Israelis right?

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        June 16, 2014, 1:08 am

        Which establishes what?

      • Eva Smagacz
        Eva Smagacz
        June 15, 2014, 3:31 pm

        You do know that those FIVE ARAB armies counter attacked Jewish militia turned Israeli Army ethnic cleansing Palestinians OUTSIDE the boarders Israel itself professed to have in its Declaration of Independence?

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        June 16, 2014, 1:14 am

        These armies invaded the day after the proclamation of Israeli independence, before what you falsely call ethnic cleansing took place. They cannot be said to have counterattacked when no Jewish/Israeli forces had set foot in, let alone attacked, them or their countries. And the Declaration of Independence professed nothing about boarders [sic].

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 16, 2014, 7:52 am

        These armies invaded the day after the proclamation of Israeli independence, before what you falsely call ethnic cleansing took place.

        Rubbish. According to the Haganah’s own records, the Zionist militias had ethnically cleansed 300,000 Pslestinians and destroyed 200 villages during the preceding 5 months. What’s more, the Arab armies invaded Arab Palestine, bit Israel. The sane Arab Palestkne that Jewish forces had been operating in for those 5 months between November 1947 and May 1948.

        And the Declaration of Independence professed nothing about boarders [sic].

        Wrong again. It cited UNGA181 as the basis of it’s legitimacy. 181 explicitly stated borders.

      • lyn117
        lyn117
        June 15, 2014, 3:34 pm

        By gosh, so the expulsion in 1948-49 was only 750,000, the majority of people living in “greenline” Israel at the time. And it began before the “invasion of five Arab armies” (which didn’t actually happen either)

        These facts are known to most people who comment on MW, what you don’t appear to know is that most people can see through your flim-flam. Claiming that millions weren’t expelled in 48-49 when there weren’t millions to expel, and that the “invasion of five Arab armies” wasn’t the pretext – of course, because the expulsions started before the Arab states sent any armies to defend the people under threat of mass murder.

      • Talkback
        Talkback
        June 15, 2014, 5:56 pm

        What invasion of five Arab armies?

        “Ten days before Britain’s exit from Palestine, U.S. officials there faced the Jewish Agency’s rejection of a truce as well as a trusteeship arrangement to replace what the State Department and the White House conceded to be the failure of the partition plan. In evaluating the situation, Robert McClintock, a special assistant to Dean Rusk, then director of the Office of UN Affairs, deliberated over the implications of these developments. It may well be, he speculated, that Washington would soon be confronted with a situation created by Jewish military forces, including the Haganah, the Stern Gang and Irgun, in which it would have to determine whether a “Jewish armed attack on Arab communities in Palestine is legitimate or whether it constitutes such a threat to international peace and security as to call for coercive measures by the Security Council.”15 Washington would face what McClintock called an “anomalous situation,” in which “the Jews will be the actual aggressors against the Arabs. However, the Jews will claim that they are merely defending the boundaries of a state which were traced by the UN and approved, at least in principle, by two-thirds of the UN membership.”
        http://mepc.org/journal/middle-east-policy-archives/us-policy-israel/palestine-1948?print

        Zionists invaded Palestine with the aim to conquer it and transform it into a Judenstaat. They even moved into the homes of those they expelled.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        June 15, 2014, 9:03 pm

        what invasion of five armies? never happened. I suggest you look up what the word invade means. in the war of zionist conquest of 48 only 2 armies ever entered what Israel declared as theirs illegally. syria and egypt.

      • Naftush
        Naftush
        June 16, 2014, 1:16 am

        “Only 2 armies”? Like it doesn’t count until it’s all five? In any case, it’s four: Iraq and (in a minor way) Lebanon.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        June 16, 2014, 11:42 am

        Nice trying to gloss over the fact you got caught lying. And no niether Iraq nor Lebanon entered israeli territory. I’d ask you to quit lying but we both know your not really capable of it.

      • June 16, 2014, 8:50 am

        How could Israel expel all the Palestinians from the West Bank in 1948-49 (a period when it was expelling the majority of the Palestinians from Israel proper — an act that began before any outside Arab armies came to Israel in an attempt to protect these innocents) when it did not steal that land until 1967?

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 16, 2014, 9:04 pm

        How could Israel expel all the Palestinians from the West Bank in 1948-49 (a period when it was expelling the majority of the Palestinians from Israel proper — an act that began before any outside Arab armies came to Israel in an attempt to protect these innocents) when it did not steal that land until 1967?

        No one said they expelled all the Palestinians from the West Bank in 1948-49. They expelled 750,000 Palestinians from the Jews partition and the territory they seized between those borders and the Armistice line.

        Any other stupid questions?

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 15, 2014, 1:29 pm

      It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

      • Kris
        Kris
        June 15, 2014, 4:58 pm

        @a blah chick: “It would be irresponsible not to speculate.” Exactly right.

        The three Jewish boys disappeared in an area (stolen from the Palestinians) controlled by the IDF and IOF. One of the boys called the Israeli police to report that he had been kidnapped, and his parents called the police later. But the Israeli police didn’t bother to do anything for almost eight hours.

        Israel is notorious for “false flag” operations, for stealing passports to use in crimes carried out by Mossad agents outside of Israel, for spying on their main benefactor, the U.S., and for human rights abuses including apartheid and ethnic cleansing against the Palestinian. Israel is notorious for testing weapons on the civilian Palestinian population, and for trying to influence the U.S. into wars on behalf of Israel. (Who will ever forget Netanyahu with his cartoon bomb, trying to get the U.S. to attack Iran.) Think about the “dancing Israeli Mossad agents” who apparently had advance notice of 9-11 and were filming it.

        Israel is not even humane toward the actual Holocaust survivors who live in poverty in Israel and have to choose between food and medicine, despite the fact that it was their suffering that procured the land of the Palestinians as a compensation prize for the Jewish Zionists.

        Where does the $8 million/day that the U.S. gives Israel go? What about the billions given in reparations to Israel by Germany? Surely $8 million a day would pay for enough food and medicine for the elderly Holocaust survivors who suffered so much. The answer is that Israel uses the Holocaust in order to facilitate the theft of Palestinian land, and will stop at nothing in order to grab it all, no matter what suffering Israel causes to its innocent victims.

        It would be foolish not to speculate, given the only thing we can be sure of is that Israel is not a force for good in this world, and Netanyahu is a pathological liar.

      • Dutch
        Dutch
        June 15, 2014, 6:25 pm

        If there are Palestinians involved, it looks like this was more of an unexpected opportunity than a planned operation – given the fact no claims were made. The fact that one of the boys could call the police points in the same direction. In any case it seems highly unlikely Hamas is involved.

      • Elisabeth
        Elisabeth
        June 16, 2014, 3:53 am

        The fact that one of the boys could call the police points in the same direction.

        You’re right.

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 15, 2014, 7:35 pm

        a blah chick: it would be irresponsible not to speculate. Such a bizarro statement makes me smile.

        Certainly Michael Oren’s performance vis a vis the young men murdered on Nakba day sets the bar low for how low we can go in our speculations. Certainly dorm room speculations are “fun” and reveal who we are and how we think and heck, we’re on the internet, so speculating is free and expected.

        I am at an age where I try to hold off the first 24 hours on speculations and even reactions, so that my emotions cool and I can try to distill my thoughts into something reasonable and useful.

        Thursday nights, with Fridays off, is a night when many stay up late in Israel. An article in Haaretz delineates how common a rite of passage hitchhiking is on the West Bank for young Jews. So there is nothing outlandish about the vulnerability of the youths. How culpable is a 16 year old for living on the West Bank? How innocent is he of the fact that he lives there or goes to school there and how much can be blamed on his parents? If revenge is “natural”, does an observer merely say, it is natural for Palestinians to avenge the wrongs done to the Palestinians with acts of violence. Is this a useful thought. If we do not demand sainthood, do we let open the gates of vengeance?

        As far as speculation: It sounds like a splinter group that doesn’t like Hamas Fatah reconciliation. I am sure that not everyone in Hamas is happy with reconciliation, so it might be a splinter group of Hamas. Given the events in Iraq, people might feel inspired to act out and thus it might be triggered by headlines rather than by the reconciliation. But mostly it feels like an attempt to kibosh the reconciliation.

      • Denis
        Denis
        June 16, 2014, 1:31 am

        @a blah chick: “It would be irresponsible not to speculate.”

        Of course. But there are rules here, too. I mean, you can take this speculation thing too far, eh?

        For instance, the ground rules here are that no speculation is allowed that would in anyway implicate the Palestinians or represent them as anything other than victims. That would be “irresponsible.”

        All speculation must point to GoI, IDF, IOF, Bibi, Michael Oren, Scarlett Johansson or Sharon. Nevermind Sharon.

        Personally, I am struck by the symmetry of three Palestinian boys being shot and three Israeli boys nearly the same age disappearing almost exactly 1 month later. I like symmetry; it makes things symmetrical, as George Bush might say.

        But don’t get me wrong, I would never suggest a tit-for-tat reprisal by Palestinians, who are blameless. Or, if not blameless, then justified.

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 16, 2014, 6:36 am

        ”But don’t get me wrong, I would never suggest a tit-for-tat reprisal by Palestinians, who are blameless. Or, if not blameless, then justified.”

        Unless these ‘boys’ have been killed, it wouldn’t be a ‘tit for tat’ reprisal, would it?

        And – your bad sarcasm aside – nobody here is ruling out the possibility that the ‘boys’ may have been taken by a Palestinian group. All we are saying is that it is just one of many possibilities, and one for which thus far little evidence has been provided. Not that evidence is ever requiried when it comes to Palestinians.

        Despite what we’re being told, these young men were not ‘children’. Teenagers go missing all the time, and for all sorts of reasons. Certainly, they could have been abducted by a Palestinian group, but if so, that begs the questions I already raised: Why no ransom demand? Why no credible claim of responsiblity? Why the slow police reaction, given that they never hesitate to take brutal action when they think Palestinians are responsible?

        If ”Bibi” has evidence linking Hamas to the ‘kidnapping’, where is it? So far thousands of people have had their lives disrupted, about a hundred have been arrested, one person has been killed, in the ‘search’ for these precious hitch-hikers?

        If I was a cynic, I’d almost think someone was using this as an excuse to inflict further pain on the Palestinian people, in the hope of stirring up a revolt.

  6. annie
    annie
    June 15, 2014, 12:48 pm

    speaking of round up scores of people

    http://www.aa.com.tr/en/rss/345421–senior-palestinian-mp-slams-israeli-crackdown

    Senior Palestinian MP slams Israeli crackdown

    15 June 2014 18:49

    “The arbitrary detention of lawmakers aims to undermine the council’s work,” deputy speaker Ahmed Bahr told Anadolu Agency.

    A senior member of the Palestinian Legislative Council on Sunday accused Israeli authorities of attempting to impede the council’s work following the detention of several lawmakers in the West Bank.
    ….

    Israeli security authorities early on Sunday raided scores of West Bank homes, detaining around a hundred Palestinians, including lawmakers and former members of parliament, according to NGO Palestinian Prisoners’ Club.

    The raids came following Thursday’s disappearance of three teenage Jewish settlers in a southern West Bank settlement.

    “The crackdown comes as an Israeli response to the national reconciliation deal hammered out by the Palestinians,” Bahr said.

    of course no one is paying attention because of the alleged ‘kidnapping’.

  7. LuLu
    LuLu
    June 15, 2014, 2:45 pm

    Netenyahoo running his mouth as usual. Accusing people, instead of providing proof. When a person (s) lie so much no one takes them seriously anymore nor believes them. When a person starts accusing persons of a hideous crime like this, they better have there 100% unequivocal proof to back up their lip service.
    According to former U.S. Ambassador to Saudi Arabia Charles Freeman, Shin Bet—the Israeli counter-intelligence and internal security service— knowingly created Hamas: Israel started Hamas. It was a project of Shin Bet, which had a feeling that they could use it to hem in the PLO. Hamas and they ended up being enemies now..
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/israel-and-the-u-s-created-hamas-hezbollah-and-al-qaeda.html

    I really think Jews should form a coalition and get rid of Zionism and Zionist. They are robbing the great history and Law of the Torah.

    Exodus 20:16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
    Also in Deuteronomy 19:16-21 False accusers are among the evil traits of those who we will come to find in the last days:
    2 Timothy 3:1-3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good,
    Gees all these great verses from our Lord seems to be talking about Arrogant Bibi..

    I really hope I am right when saying this, but I am only speculating just based on the behavior of the Zionist regimes past history of false flags and thousands of false accusations.. I really do not think there was or is a kidnapping and all this is a cry to have other countries not recognize the Unity Govt. of PA. Mom was on news, smiling, very calm, no distress, not a tear. I can be very wrong and that could be her personality… But BiBi wants attention and the US would not unrecognized the Unity Govt after he asked, and it is away to go back to unfreezing the building of settlements especially when there was pressure on them. Netenyahoo is a PSYCHOPATH SOCIOPATH…

    • just
      just
      June 15, 2014, 6:11 pm

      LuLu– is this the clip that you wrote of? I hope her son comes home soon.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 7:35 am

        Why do you hope that? Those people are occupiers. they have no business beyond the green line. I don’t know if their offspring is the adult of one of the 2 16 year olds, but these people clearly brought their son to live on this stolen land. My hope is that they move out of Palestine. If they do that, then I might hope they get their son back, but if not, then the liberation I’ll worry about is the liberation of Palestine.

      • LuLu
        LuLu
        June 16, 2014, 12:04 pm

        Yup

  8. lyn117
    lyn117
    June 15, 2014, 3:37 pm

    Even if the settlers were kidnapped (which I tend to believe), we don’t know who kidnapped them, or why. Maybe the oldest one kidnapped the younger ones, because he’s mentally impaired or has been watching too much “Criminal Minds” or something.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 15, 2014, 4:00 pm

      Exactly! We have a case of 3 teenagers – one of nineteen – who go missing while, supposedly, hitchhiking home late in the evening. There are any number of possibilities, including that it could be prank.

      And even if they were taken by a Palestinian group – and this is certainly a possibility – questions remain as to whether or not they were specifically targetted. Of course, the Israelis will want to advance the narrative of them being ‘kids’ on their way home from school – at ten in the evening? – and maybe they were. But the Israelis have such a long record of lies that I wouldn’t rule anything out at this stage.

  9. just
    just
    June 15, 2014, 4:15 pm

    Cra*******!

    “WASHINGTON (AFP) — US Secretary of State John Kerry condemned on Sunday the kidnapping of three Israeli teenagers from the West Bank, and said many indications pointed to the involvement of Hamas.

    “We are still seeking details on the parties responsible for this despicable terrorist act, although many indications point to Hamas’ involvement,” he said.

    “As we gather this information, we reiterate our position that Hamas is a terrorist organization known for its attacks on innocent civilians and which has used kidnapping in the past.”

    Hamas denied any involvement in the disappearance of the teens from near the Jewish-only settlement of Gush Etzion, calling Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s claims the Islamist group perpetrated the attack “stupid.””

    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705024

    Please, please tell me he didn’t say that!

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 15, 2014, 4:27 pm

      So, let me get this straight: the wily Hamas operatives escaped Gaza (through their underwater tunnels, no doubt) evaded Israeli Border Police, snuck into the West Bank, evaded more detachments of the Border Police and IDF units, and kidnapped three guys traveling home in areas controlled by the Israeli military.

      Do they have any clue how incompetent this makes their military/security apparatus look?

      • Maximus Decimus Meridius
        Maximus Decimus Meridius
        June 15, 2014, 4:39 pm

        And yet these dastardly terrorist masterminds still didn’t think to take their abductee’s mobile phone off him, and allowed him to call the police and tell them he’d been kidnapped?

    • Kay24
      Kay24
      June 15, 2014, 5:33 pm

      Kerry, like the rest of those in the servitude of Israel, did not utter such words during the brutal murders of 2 Palestinian kids during the Nakba protests.
      No condemnation of those despicable terrorists, dressed in the uniforms of their country, and lying they used rubber bullets.
      Come to think of it, maybe this kidnapping was in retaliation to those killings. Who knows.
      The Palestinians also do have an entitlement to retaliation, just like their occupiers.
      Our leaders continue to make me feel ashamed of them.

      • just
        just
        June 15, 2014, 5:43 pm

        Same here, Kay24. I am continuously ashamed. I sincerely hope that the teens are safe and sound.

        A pretty powerful article is up at Ma’an :

        “Palestinians have been asking to ‘bring back our boys’ for years’

        Khaled Quzmar, a legal adviser at Defense for Children International-Palestine, argues that while many Palestinians sympathize with the suffering of the families of the missing boys, the double standards are staggering.

        “We support the right to life of all Israeli children, but not at the expense of Palestinian children,” he told Ma’an in a telephone interview.

        “1,400 Palestinian children have been killed by Israel since 2000, and more than 200 are currently in prison, suffering from all kinds of torture,” he added.

        Quzmar also stressed that Israel has endangered the lives of its own children by transferring them to zones under military occupation. More than 500,000 Jews live in Israeli settlements across the occupied West Bank, and the three boys went missing while trying to hitch hike in the Gush Etzion settlement west of Hebron, built atop lands confiscated from local Palestinians.

        “These children went missing in a settlement, which is internationally recognized as being illegal and in occupied lands. The responsibility lies with the Israeli government which brought these children to an illegal settlement built on occupied lands,” Quzmar argued.

        “There is no Palestinian who wants any person on earth to live the moments they have had to live through … But but every single family in Palestine has seen the violations of their children’s rights by the occupation,” he continued.

        “Palestinian families have been asking for many years to ‘bring back our boys!'”

        Quzmar told Ma’an that earlier on Sunday he had passed through Hebron, whose 600,000 inhabitants are currently under a tight military siege, en route to see his brother for the first time in 11 years. Quzmar’s brother, like 40 percent of Palestinian men, has been in Israeli prisons for a large portion of his life, and Sunday was the day of his release after more than a decade of incarceration.”

        More here:
        http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705009

      • Kay24
        Kay24
        June 16, 2014, 8:00 am

        Thanks for posting that article. It is very interesting, and accurate. Apparently Abbas has condemned the kidnapping of these boys, PLUS condemned the killing of the two kids on Nakba day, which was a good thing, because it must be emphasized that the lives of young people from both sides is very precious. Where was Bibi’s condemnation of those crimes? With no proof exactly what happened, Israel has already arrested 150 Palestinians, and attacked gaza twice. Now whatever would the apologists have said, if the Palestinians did the same, and attacked Tel Aviv in retaliation for the deaths of two of their kids? Again, I must say I am ashamed and disgusted with our leaders for supporting this occupier, and the US media for their selective coverage of this issue.

      • a blah chick
        a blah chick
        June 15, 2014, 5:45 pm

        Since Kerry referred to Palestinian Israelis as a “demographic threat” I am not surprised.

    • just
      just
      June 15, 2014, 6:05 pm

      Well, Kerry and Netanyahu singing from the same *sheet*.

      Netanyahu and the Zionists must be really terrified of the Unity Government….

      Iraq is now burning anew, but three teens who have gone missing has caused a commotion of biblical proportions– it’s more important than anything/anyone else in the whole wide world.

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 16, 2014, 7:37 am

      Remind me, did Kerry condemn the Nakba Day murders or merely express “concern” or some such nonsense?

  10. Kate
    Kate
    June 15, 2014, 5:13 pm

    You may want to report the page listed in the following article to Facebook. It advocates killing a Palestinian ‘terrorist’ (meaning any random Palestinian) every hour until the Israeli teenagers are returned to their families. It has received 15,521 ‘Likes’ as I write this. How to report a page? Go to the menu just to the right of ‘Message’ near the top of the page, choose ‘Report/Block’ and continue.
    http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=705004

    • Kris
      Kris
      June 15, 2014, 5:19 pm

      Thanks, Kate. Truly a horrible page, and it’s chilling to see how many people are eager to endorse killing innocent Palestinians.

      I appreciate your instructions on how to report the page to Facebook, because I wouldn’t have known how to do it, otherwise. Hope reporting it gets it removed!

    • just
      just
      June 15, 2014, 5:25 pm

      You can’t be surprised since their dear leader advocated killing in his tweet last week.

      http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/ministers-chilling-tweet.html

      (I would report if I was a facebooker)

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 8:18 am

      I reported the page last night and just got a message saying it had not been removed because there was no ‘threat of credible violence’. Hmmm…….

  11. Maximus Decimus Meridius
    Maximus Decimus Meridius
    June 15, 2014, 5:19 pm

    Netanyahu is continuing to claim that Hamas was responsible – without, of course, providing a shred of evidence – even though Hamas have categorically denied any involvement.

    If Hamas really was responsible for kidnapping these young men, then why on earth would they deny it? Surely the whole point of kidnapping people is to exchange them for a ransom, in this case probably some of the hundreds of Hamas members kidnapped by Israel? Not much use going to all that trouble and risk, and netting yourself a great prize – 3 precious Israeli males – and then not looking for some reward.

    IF these teens were taken by a Palestinian group – and that remains very much an ‘if’ – then I would say it’s some unknown splinter group, certainly not Hamas. Seems Bibi is putting the focus on them both to derail the unity government, and as an excuse for a massive crackdown. And I have a sickly feeling that the Israelis, as always, are going to go for the easiest of targets. I wouldn’t rule out yet another war on Gaza – as As’ad Abu Khalil says, the Israelis have a custom of launching their worst attacks, such as the invasion of Lebanon, under cover of the World Cup. Yes, they really are that cynical.

  12. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    June 15, 2014, 5:44 pm

    If Hamas is responsible then they have obtained transporters and cloaks of invisibility. The IDF needs to find that catalog!

  13. Shuki
    Shuki
    June 15, 2014, 6:15 pm

    Yes, either Bibi is lying about the whole thing, the kids were taken by other Jews for some reason or it was a false flag operation by the same mosad operatives who did 9/11.

    Frankly I’m glad my comments have been screened… The insanity and hatred in your own remarks makes my point better than I could.

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 15, 2014, 9:01 pm

      If they are screening you then that is a shame because pure, unadulterated Shuki is what I live for.

  14. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 15, 2014, 6:46 pm

    The three missing Israeli Jews is all over the US cable TV screen. Tell U anything?

    • a blah chick
      a blah chick
      June 15, 2014, 9:07 pm

      There was a suicide bombing I believe in December of 2001 that the cable channels covered non stop for hour after hour. It was a parade of Israeli journalists and politicians and their American or European counterparts saying the same thing: Jews are victims, Arabs are perpetrators.

      I use to be a news junkie but the craziness after 9/11 killed it in me.

  15. piotr
    piotr
    June 15, 2014, 9:02 pm

    The chief proof that Hamas did it is that IDF rounded up about 100 of Palestinians, mostly from Hamas. But it is not an iron-clad proof. When a drone penetrated Israeli airspace and reached the vicinity of Dimona, about 200 Hamasniks in Hebron area were rounded up, but Israelis later admitted that the drone was initially spotted over the sea near Gaza and no one knows its origin. And Hamasniks were released. The quip that in the even of an earthquake Israeli cabinet would blame Palestinian Authority and IDF would round up Hamasnik has empirical evidence.

    The theory that the disappearance of the teenagers and the call to police may be a prank seems somewhat plausible, since either West Bank Israeli policy consists of total morons, or they had experience with such pranks.

  16. W.Jones
    W.Jones
    June 15, 2014, 9:06 pm

    Wow! 80+ comments on a M.Ellis thread in less than one day? This may be a record, or at least one of the top.

  17. pjdude
    pjdude
    June 15, 2014, 9:08 pm

    while kidnapping is wrong the question has to be asked why are kids allowed to hitch hike in an area where their very act of being their is illegal? watching all the zionists attack the palestinians just shows how their incapable of taking responsibility for their actions. you encourage your youth to hitch hike in an area your committing war crimes don’t act surprise is the natives lash out.

    • DoubleStandard
      DoubleStandard
      June 15, 2014, 9:25 pm

      Their presence in Gush really isn’t illegal at this point.

      In any future agreement, Gush will no doubt become part of Israel. Even the PA has conceded this point, so this is not an attack on a “lawless settlement” (not that such would be the slightest bit more defensible) — it’s a terrorist raid on what is essentially sovereign Israel.

      I’ve been to Gush before, and you don’t even notice that you are leaving “sovereign Israel” when you drive there from Jerusalem.

      • just
        just
        June 15, 2014, 10:01 pm

        “I’ve been to Gush before, and you don’t even notice that you are leaving “sovereign Israel” when you drive there from Jerusalem.”

        Ughhh. Which settlement do you occupy?

      • annie
        annie
        June 15, 2014, 10:05 pm

        it’s a terrorist raid on what is essentially sovereign Israel.

        that’s a lie. and the pa doesn’t even have the authority to concede palestinian land. so your entire statement is BS.

      • just
        just
        June 15, 2014, 10:14 pm

        annie– you said it much better than i did.

      • annie
        annie
        June 16, 2014, 11:04 am

        i’m so fed up. just having one of those mornings.

      • piotr
        piotr
        June 15, 2014, 11:55 pm

        “In any future agreement” is a vacuously true mantra, as Israeli government does not want to agree to anything. How many proposal on the future borders were presented by Netanyahu’s negotiators?

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        June 16, 2014, 12:18 am

        thank for proving how messed up Israeli/zionists are. that fact that Israeli’s terrorism may make it sure they get to illegally annex it and that it doesn’t feel like is irrelevant. so yeah their presence is illegal. actually so is them being in jerusalem but zionist don’t give a damn about laws only their wants. jerusalem isn’t sovreign Israel. and its neither terrorism not sovriegn Israel. those are just more lies.

        It just boggles the mind the arrogance, selfishness, and the enormous sense of entitlement or Israeli jews and other zionists on their behalf.

      • talknic
        talknic
        June 16, 2014, 4:31 am

        @ DoubleStandard shows us the effects of ziocaine. Applied Ziologic 101 or maybe just how stupid one has to be to believe the Israeli rhetoric

        “Their presence in Gush really isn’t illegal at this point.”

        Oh … OK. Isn’t illegal … got it!

        “In any future agreement, Gush will no doubt become part of Israel. “

        “In any future agreement”..”will” … “become part of ” = the territory is NOT YET a part of Israel, so their presence in Gush really is illegal at this point because the citizens of “Israel, the Occupying Power” are prohibited under GC IV from settling there because at the time the territory was captured in 1967 from under Jordanian sovereignty, Jordan was a UN Member State, a High Contracting Power.

        “Even the PA has conceded this point..”

        Problem, the PA is not the representative of all the people of Palestine, the Palestinian Unity Government is.

        Furthermore you just finished saying “In any future agreement”..”will no doubt become part of ” aka NOT YET Israeli. That ol’ ziocaine sure packs a wallop

        “… so this is not an attack on a “lawless settlement””

        But the settlement is in territory that “In any future agreement”..”will no doubt become part of ” aka it is NOT YET Israeli and; the territory belonged to a High Contracting Power when it was acquired by war by Israel in 1967, therefore as the UNSC says, GC IV applies.

        ” it’s a terrorist raid on what is essentially sovereign Israel”

        A) There’s no proof it was a terrorist raid B) “In any future agreement”..”will no doubt become part of ” = it is not yet essentially or even vaguely sovereign Israel

        “.. you don’t even notice that you are leaving “sovereign Israel” when you drive there from Jerusalem”

        Lemme see now … When you drive there from Jerusalem you “are leaving “sovereign Israel”” to go to a place that “In any future agreement”..”will no doubt become part of “ aka is in territory that is not yet part of Israel

        Unfortunately for your self defeating drivel, UNSC res 476 tells us Jerusalem is not sovereign to Israel either.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 7:39 am

        Baloney. It’s occupied land, and these are an occupier and two kids of occupiers.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 16, 2014, 8:59 am

        Their presence in Gush really isn’t illegal at this point.

        Yes it is, and if the US and Israel were not ferociously fighting tooth and nail to keep the UN out of the peace process, this would have been established repeatedly beyond any doubt.

        The only reason you hasbarats get away with claiming ambiguity is because you have continued to run out the clock and hoped Israel can trick or convince the Palestinians to accept terms less than what they are legally entitled to. The fact that you have stolen the land and built on it did not suddenly make the territory on which Gush is built disputed or up for grabs.

        In any future agreement, Gush will no doubt become part of Israel

        This is the bogus argument we keep hearing. That this or that land will be part of a future agreement, while Israel refuses to allow any such agreement to ever materialize. It’s a cynical ploy to try and justify the land grab and change the facts on the ground so that Israel can then squeal to the world that removing those settlers would be inhumane.

        I’ve been to Gush before, and you don’t even notice that you are leaving “sovereign Israel” when you drive there from Jerusalem.

        You’re pretending as though this was some random outcome. The reason you don’t even notice that you are leaving “sovereign Israel” is because Israel intended it to be that way.

        Your logic is like arguing that because a car thief looks cool driving that Porshe, therefore it must belong to him,

    • Naftush
      Naftush
      June 16, 2014, 1:23 am

      “Being” in an occupied territory violates no law.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 16, 2014, 7:41 am

        No, but being an adult in the settlements makes one an occupier and, as such, a legitimate military target, in my opinion.

      • Shingo
        Shingo
        June 16, 2014, 7:54 am

        “Being” in an occupied territory violates no law.

        It does when it’s achieved by an act of aggression, when it’s carried out to steal land and build settlements, and it does when it’s continued in violation of UNSC resolutions.

  18. a blah chick
    a blah chick
    June 15, 2014, 9:18 pm

    Is there anyone pointing out the ineptitude of the police/military/security people in all of this? And how does this incident prove that they need the West Bank for security?

    • just
      just
      June 16, 2014, 12:31 am

      There is something rotten in the state of Apartheid Israel.

      (pardon the missing poesy and justice)

  19. Taxi
    Taxi
    June 15, 2014, 11:10 pm

    Excuse me if I don’t wail out and beat my chest from sorrow over the (fake?) kidnapping of the three settlers. I’m by far more concerned with the 200 Nigerian girls kidnapped by Boko Harem.

  20. LittleBat
    LittleBat
    June 16, 2014, 3:47 am

    Anyone considering the possibility of a cover up, in this incident, should also note that by an amazing coincidence, the IDF was making a wide scale anti-terrorist training exercise in that region of the West Bank – only a short distance from where the youths disappeared that night.

    There are many legitimate questions about why these teenagers left their school dorm, at 10pm, and decided to go back to their homes in Jerusalem as hitchhikers. They may have set out to meet someone, by arrangement – someone who lured them out. Or they may have been a member of illicit groups such as the Hill Top youth. Or they may have met with an accident, which is now being covered up.

    We have seen no video security footage, have been given no details – even the story of the phone call is yet to be officially confirmed. This is not a proper police investigation.

    • Maximus Decimus Meridius
      Maximus Decimus Meridius
      June 16, 2014, 8:17 am

      Good points. Also, do we know anything about the ‘school’ these boys attended? Many West Bank ‘yeshiva’ are notoriously radical.

      You can be certain if these were Muslim youths on their way back from an Islamic school, questions would immediately be asked about said school and the doctrines it promoted.

  21. Citizen
    Citizen
    June 17, 2014, 7:33 am

    M J Rosenberg does not like Annie’s and Mondowweissers take on the missing Jewish Israeli kids: http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=855aabd7ccd7a77e987004677&id=8328b0abbb&e=4c25168940

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 17, 2014, 10:51 am

      I’m sure Rosenberg had a lot to say about the Palestinians boys murdered by the Israelis on Nakba day. Trouble is, I can’t seem to find it on the Google. The fault must be mine. Surely someone can point me to Rosenberg’s (no doubt) mutiple stories on that event…

  22. wes
    wes
    June 17, 2014, 8:45 am

    Its common to assume the worst when only the best of less can be discerned between 2 divergent points.the other day i was informed in a doco called ” i am” that all is connected even at infinite distances apart.the spin of one electron can cause another to spin in another part of the universe.
    more importantly the human heart has its own emf and that connects each of us to each other
    you got to watch the movie,it even has my favourite thinker suzuki in it along with chomsky,zinn,and a few other bright sparks
    i have come to believe that both israeli jew and palestinian arab,after 60 odd years of both sides carrying on with all manner of wars,schemes,thieving,outwitting,murdering,lying,backstabbing,stealing,accusing,not to mention dragging others into there conflict to serve there own needs,waste of billions of dollars,bringing major relegions into disrepute,discharging of shit into the kidron river over many years,
    where was i
    right
    i firmly believe that both sides should be left alone to fester and to avoid taking sides
    as a jew,and i might add an ex yeshiva student (by accident) i firmly believe that the shooting of the 2 teens when the pop(e)
    visited and now this incident with the 3 yeshiva students has taught me a good lesson
    these two groups must be left to there own devices
    let sanity prevail
    elsewhere

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