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‘We’ve succeeded in taking peace negotiations off agenda,’ Israeli leader crows

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Moshe Ya'alon, Israeli Defense Minister

Moshe Ya’alon, Israeli Defense Minister

Let 100 checkpoints bloom! The Israeli government doesn’t just think the status quo is sustainable, it boasts about destroying the peace process:

Blumenthal links to Allyn Fisher-Ilan, the Thomson Reuters reporter covering the Herzliya conference in Israel for that report on the gentleman pictured above.

Here’s more, from Ynet, “Hawks question need for peace with Palestinians”:

“There is no basis to the perception that the status quo is a bad thing,” said Interior Minister Gideon Sa’ar, echoing a stance on relations with the Palestinians that seems to be gaining traction among Israeli politicians, if to judge from speeches made at the 14th annual Herzliya Conference which opened Sunday at the IDC.

Sa’ar wasn’t the only official at the conference to voice a favorable opinion of allowing the two state solution to depart from modern day policy, with a reserve IDF general even going as far as saying that peace with the Palestinians is no longer in Israel’s interest.

And J Street is getting in step with the new reality. Larry Derfner reports at the Forward:

What is J Street doing? Why has it begun to act in concert with unambiguously right-wing Zionist organizations such as AIPAC and StandWithUs in their efforts to kill the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement while offering no alternative for ending the occupation?

Because the truth is that J Street offers no alternative anymore; now that John Kerry’s talks have failed, and all the secretary of state has to show for them is a footprint on the seat of his pants courtesy of Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, America is through trying to make peace between Israel and the Palestinians. And everybody seems to acknowledge this except J Street. Which is not a surprise, because without America in the peace process, J Street’s reason for being is gone…

this is the sort of company J Street keeps these days in the only meaningful action it’s involved in anymore: fighting BDS.

All points here provided by Blumenthal.

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  1. pabelmont
    pabelmont
    June 11, 2014, 3:52 pm

    All (local) politics is local. Israeli pols say that there is no down-side to end of negotiations for 2SS. No down-side from Israel or from Palestine. Sure.

    But could be the EU will tire of this Israeli smirkiness and show there is a down-side by creating one,. And ICC. And maybe other things. (Unless PLO’s hands are tied, as the leaders may well suppose they are. Note the submersion of Hamas.)

  2. pjdude
    pjdude
    June 11, 2014, 4:06 pm

    and this is the side were told wants peace

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 11, 2014, 4:16 pm

      Because this is the side favored by those in power. Lies follow.

    • JustJessetr
      JustJessetr
      June 12, 2014, 1:21 am

      PJdude, neither side wants peace. Hamas is already firing rockets, and don’t tell me they are only meant as a message. Rockets are a means of attack.

      And then on the Israeli side every stance the gov’t takes seems to work in the opposite direction of reconciliation.

      • pjdude
        pjdude
        June 13, 2014, 12:36 am

        launching attacks against those who’ve attacked you is not mutually exclusive with wanting peace. or are you to say only those willing to roll over and surrender to be pacifistic extremists want peace?

      • JustJessetr
        JustJessetr
        June 13, 2014, 10:31 am

        Hamas wasn’t responding to any attacks. Of course I see your big-picture, but in this case you aren’t correct.

        “or are you to say only those willing to roll over and surrender to be pacifistic extremists want peace?”

        No, you said that. Just now.

  3. amigo
    amigo
    June 11, 2014, 4:15 pm

    Material for the ads.

  4. June 11, 2014, 5:51 pm

    J Street is what is called a Trojan Horse. It has been designed by AIPAC and the Israeli Government to lure liberal or progressive Jews (who despaired of AIPAC) into an organization that would keep them closely corralled and still under the control of AIPAC. That way they could belong to the J Street liberal Zionist cartel and feel that they were more liberal than AIPAC but actually they would still be under AIPAC’s control and would never get the chance to support BDS or anything else that is not in AIPAC’s strategic plan. J Street is what is called in modern parlance “a joke”.

  5. James Canning
    James Canning
    June 11, 2014, 6:25 pm

    J Street in my judgment is quite wrong to think attacking BDS movement is doing Israel a good service.

  6. JustJessetr
    JustJessetr
    June 12, 2014, 1:08 am

    It’s odd that MW rejoices in pointing out an Israeli has taken peace negotiations off the table, when MW has been saying all along that there should be no peace process because it’s a sham.

    I think it’s the sort of confusion about BDS’s own goals that allows THIS sort of thing to gain traction: anti-BDS student government resolutions.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/181619?fb_action_ids=10152231079763108&fb_action_types=og.comments#.U5k0PkCGfnY

    • amigo
      amigo
      June 12, 2014, 11:08 am

      “It’s odd that MW rejoices in pointing out an Israeli has taken peace negotiations off the table, when MW has been saying all along that there should be no peace process because it’s a sham.” justjesstr

      Comprehension issue jester.

      MW rejoices the fact that an Israeli leader has admitted that Israel was never serious about peace talks that might result in a just peace.

      Are you home alone???.

  7. wondering jew
    wondering jew
    June 12, 2014, 2:36 am

    Bradley Burston in Haaretz responds to Phil Weiss’s “Let it go” post of a few days ago:

    By the end of that long day of discussions at the conference, I happened to come across an essay on American Jews and Israelis on the Mondoweiss website, by journalist and editor Philip Weiss.

    The essay, titled “Let it go,” suggested that American Jews, like a friend of the author’s who “has a smart non-Jewish girlfriend” and “leads a big life, music and food and the ocean,” should once and for all, cut their ties with Israel and the Jewish people who live there.

    “The body of Israel is fetid in the back room of American Jews,” Weiss writes. “They haven’t been there but it’s stinking up the joint, and it pollutes their view of the world.”

    “We don’t live there, we don’t want to live there, we live here, we like it here, that’s a foreign country where they praise rudeness and toughness and beat the s— out of a beautiful journalist whose case we should all be screaming about today. Let go of the dead idea. Just let it go.”

    If nothing else, the words of Phil Weiss – who certainly has every right to let it go, and who I sense may already have long ago done so – serve to underscore the power, the depth, the simplicity of Varda’s message:

    Don’t let Israel go. Come. Listen. Talk. Crack the wall.

    Earlier in Burston’s post comes Varda’s message:
    It was a hot day, and an emotional one. It began when we heard on the news that a local utility had cut off the water to a mother of four small children in Holon, outside Tel Aviv, because she was unable to pay for it.

    I was packing a suitcase to cover the J Street summit, which was about to be held in the hometown that my wife, Varda Spiegel, adores. When the news was over, Varda said she had a message for the J Street people, and asked me to promise to share it with them.

    This was the message:

    “Thank you. Thank you all for being here. Thank you, that is, for still believing that Israel can get better. And that Israel might even be able to get well.

    “The core of the message is: Come to Israel more. Talk to Israelis. As difficult as it often is, to communicate with the people here and the people there, remember that they’re your people. There but for fortune.

    “Listen to them. Talk to them. They’re turning off the water in Holon for people who can’t pay their water bills.

    “Holon is enormously important. Holon is as important as Hebron. It is.

    “Come to Israel. Woody Allen once told an interviewer, that 80 percent of success, is showing up.

    “Please, show up there, too.”

    • Woody Tanaka
      Woody Tanaka
      June 12, 2014, 9:23 am

      “This was the message:”

      “…remember that they’re your people. There but for fortune.”

      That’s the problem. No, they’re not “your people” to any American. They’re foreign nationals who happen to have the same ethno-religious background. Did German-American Dwight Eisenhower say “they’re my people” when facing his enemy in WWII? No. He understood what’s what. The Jewish community in America needs to do the same. Too much criminality has been excuse and aided by Americans who are under the lie that those who are committing the crimes are “their people.”

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 12, 2014, 12:04 pm

        Woody- I never considered Ike a model human being, but if he’s your model, I won’t complain. But let me ask you. If one agrees with Bradley Burston’s wife and not with Ike, does that make that one: a bad person, an illogical person, a bad American or just someone who sees the world and America and citizenship and their own identity in a different way than you and Ike view yours.

      • Woody Tanaka
        Woody Tanaka
        June 12, 2014, 12:59 pm

        “If one agrees with Bradley Burston’s wife and not with Ike, does that make that one: a bad person, an illogical person, a bad American or just someone who sees the world and America and citizenship and their own identity in a different way than you and Ike view yours.”

        It’s any time between 1933 and 1945. An American of German descent is asserting to other Americans of German descent that we should not think badly of the Nazi regime or what they are doing, but we should support them fully, defend them at all costs in international forums, give them billions of dollars, protect them from all criticism and should rebuff any attempt to objectively look at the Nazi crimes by claiming that it is all “anti-German prejudice” to do so and argue that the best thing we can do is stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them, visit and support Nazi Germany and hope we can make them “better” and maybe even “well.” They finish by saying, “remember that [the Nazis are] your people.”

        Would you consider that person: “a bad person, an illogical person, a bad American or just someone who sees the world and America and citizenship and their own identity in a different way than you and Ike view yours[?]”

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      June 12, 2014, 10:05 am

      They are turning off the water in Holon because they spend so much on the parasites in Hebron, Yonah.
      That is an internal Israeli political matter. Israelis seem to prefer Hebron. They don’t seem to vote for poverty alleviation.

    • just
      just
      June 12, 2014, 10:07 am

      Isn’t Burston a settler from America?

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        June 12, 2014, 10:08 am

        I don’t think he’s a settler. He lives behind the green line AFAIK.

      • just
        just
        June 12, 2014, 10:23 am

        My comment was meant to be tongue- in- cheek, seafoid. I guess it fell flat. ;)

        He was born in LA USA, was a member of a Labor Zionist movement, moved to ‘re-establish’ Kibbutz Gezer, served in the IOF…..

        lives in Nataf:

        “Nataf was founded in 1982 on land belonging to the depopulated Palestinian village of Bayt Thul,[3] less than 1 km south of the village site of Nitaf.[4] It overlooks Nataf Valley, a popular hiking destination. Nataf spring is watered all year round and has a number of small freshwater pools. The name Nataf is of biblical origins and referred to the incense Stacte. Only 20% of the residents are Modern Orthodox; 80% of the residents are secular. The village has a unique unaffiliated synagogue with three sections for prayer: a men’s section, a women’s section and a mixed section.[citation needed]”

        wiki

      • wondering jew
        wondering jew
        June 12, 2014, 12:06 pm

        No, just, that was not tongue in cheek. That is what you call most Jews who live in Israel- settlers.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        June 12, 2014, 2:21 pm

        I think the term “illegal settlers” should be used solely for reference to illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Golan Heights. Using it for people living within “1967” borders in my view confuses the issues.

      • seafoid
        seafoid
        June 12, 2014, 1:24 pm

        Well, Yonah

        How many of them have roots elsewhere even if…
        they have nowhere to go ®….

    • just
      just
      June 12, 2014, 10:46 am

      “Don’t let Israel go. Come. Listen. Talk. Crack the wall. ”

      Who is/are he/they inviting? Sounds like Jewish folks only.

      Certainly not “others”.

    • jon s
      jon s
      June 12, 2014, 4:11 pm

      I think Phil’s “let it go” post was of some importance, too bad comments are now closed so soon .
      On the topic itself: In my view there’s a certain contradiction here. If Phil really wanted to “let it go” – wouldn’t that lead to indifference, an attitude of “who cares?”.
      But Phil and other Jewish anti-Zionists obviously care a lot, are intensely -even obsessively- involved in the Israel/Palestine issue. Why the intense interest and involvement? The Israel/ Palestine conflict certainly isn’t the worst, bloodiest, conflict in the world, not even the bloodiest conflict in the Middle East.
      The answer is in Burston’s essay :” remember that they’re your people. There but for fortune.” It seems to me that the Jewish anti-Zionists share the sentiment, whether they admit it or not.

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      June 12, 2014, 10:07 am

      “It is as if U.S. and Israeli Jews are in separate compartments with no real contact beside muffled, incomprehensible word-sounds. ”

      I am guessing that would be the Hebrew issue.
      What makes sense in IDF Hebrew is repugnant in English. What does “neighbor procedure” mean, for example ?

  8. Daniel Rich
    Daniel Rich
    June 12, 2014, 4:23 am

    I’m glad Moshe Ya’alon also indicates the size of his reproductive organ…

  9. amigo
    amigo
    June 12, 2014, 9:15 am

    ” Autopsy reveals Palestinian teen killed by live fire in Nakba Day clashes
    Though the official results have not been compiled, sources say entry and exit wounds indicate that Nadim Nuwara was shot dead last month with a non-rubber-coated bullet.”Haaretz.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.598304

    I guess this was the only way to shut up the Zachs/mehanes and the other apologists for war crimes.

    I wonder what fairy tales they will come up with to deny this result.

    • jon s
      jon s
      June 12, 2014, 3:16 pm

      It’s been determined that the boy was killed by a live round.
      What has yet to be determined is who fired.

    • piotr
      piotr
      June 12, 2014, 10:55 pm

      Military defense principle recommend multiple lines of fortifications. The next line, already prepared, was that the shooter was a Palestinian.

  10. just
    just
    June 12, 2014, 9:54 am

    Oy:

    “Veteran Anti-Defamation League head Abe Foxman was awarded the 2014 Menachem Begin Prize on Wednesday night for his work in “eradicating all signs of anti-Semitism, racism and anti-Israelism around the globe.”

    The award was awarded by the Menachem Begin Heritage Center and presented at the award ceremony by Deputy Foreign Minister Tzahi Hanegbi.

    The center’s director Herzl Makov praised Foxman for being “at the frontlines of defending the State of Israel” for the past 50 years.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.598362

    • seafoid
      seafoid
      June 12, 2014, 11:21 am

      The Menachem Begin prize is awarded each year to the person who most dehumanizes Arabs without having a nervous breakdown , in reflection of the enormous contribution of Mr Begin to the field, although he did of course lose his sanity in the end.

      • James Canning
        James Canning
        June 12, 2014, 2:00 pm

        Abe Foxman deserves an award for effective advocacy of suppression of free speech in American political discourse.

  11. Talkback
    Talkback
    June 12, 2014, 2:36 pm

    “There is no basis to the perception that the status quo is a bad thing,”

    So there is no basis to the perception that killing, injuring, oppressing, dispossessing and disenfrenchizing Gentiles is a bad thing.

    Welcome to Apartheid Israel and its Judeonazis.

  12. JustJessetr
    JustJessetr
    June 12, 2014, 6:05 pm

    “this is the sort of company J Street keeps these days in the only meaningful action it’s involved in anymore: fighting BDS.”

    I’m glad Derfner thinks fighting BDS is meaningful. Right on, Larry!

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